toyota dealer adding $650 TAD to KBB listed dealer invoice price (BS?)

MDT, that may be but why would anyone want to use a lower octane
fuel, on a vehicle that is already under powered, to save a few
cents? ;)


mike hunt



Liberals are the parasites of society wrote:[color=blue]
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> [email]MelvinGibson@mailcity.com[/email] wrote:
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> > One again you are wrong. GM has more than twice as many. GM
> > offers sixteen models that get 30 MPG or more that all use 87
> > octane fuel. Toyota has only nine and several of those require
> > more expensive grades of fuel. LOL
> >
> >
> > mike hunt[/color]
>
> Wrong Mike, its not required, just recommended.
>
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In article <42ADAAC2.81B05566@mailcity.com>, [email]RustyFendor@mailcity.com[/email]
wrote:
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> MDT, that may be but why would anyone want to use a lower octane
> fuel, on a vehicle that is already under powered, to save a few
> cents? ;)[/color]

It all depends on your perspective, but very few automobiles are
"underpowered" these days (every Toyota I have had could easily exceed 100
mph on regular fuel). In any case, higher octane does not equate to
greater power, only greater anti-knock ability. True, that allows the
engine to use more optimal ignition timing under conditions of high demand
(such as hill climbing or strong acceleration), but under more usual
driving conditions, there is no more power being produced by the premium
fuel.

Merritt

"Merritt Mullen" <mmullen8014@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:mmullen8014-10E463.22525512062005@netnews.asp.att.net...[color=blue]
> In article <595f7$42ad0969$180fead6$6383@msgid.meganewsservers.com>,
> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
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>> "Merritt Mullen" <mmullen8014@mchsi.com> wrote in message[/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > Isn't the point of VVTi to allows the use of various grades of gasoline
>> > without concern about engine damage (detonation)? I know my Avalon
>> > runs
>> > fine on regular, although it takes premium to get top performance
>> > (would
>> > be hard for the average driver to notice the difference, however).
>> >[/color]
>>
>> Variable valve timing with intelligence varies valve timing depending on
>> engine RPM to help the engine "breathe" more efficiently. Electronic
>> spark
>> advance prevents ping.[/color]
>
> Aha! Thanks for the correction. In any case, the point is that the
> engine is designed to run properly on various grades of gasoline without
> detonation (ping), and the owner's manual so states.
>
> Merritt[/color]

One of the advantages of a distributorless ignition is a lot more
flexibility in ignition timing.
--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply

But alas, were is the torque needed to pull the grades and why do
Camrys ALWAYS drop behind other traffic on the grades?


mike hunt



Liberals are the parasites of society wrote:[color=blue]
>
> [email]RustyFendor@mailcity.com[/email] wrote:[color=green]
> > MDT, that may be but why would anyone want to use a lower octane
> > fuel, on a vehicle that is already under powered, to save a few
> > cents? ;)
> >
> >[/color]
>
> LOL, OK, I see the winky face. But at 230 hp, its not underpowered. Can
> zip up the molehills of PA without a problem. The new 3.5 is even more HP ;D
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In article <42AE10B4.8E4AF944@mailcity.com>, [email]IleneDover@mailcity.com[/email]
wrote:
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> But alas, were is the torque needed to pull the grades and why do
> Camrys ALWAYS drop behind other traffic on the grades?[/color]

Probably because the Camry drivers neglect to turn off overdrive.

Merritt

If the engine produced a decent amount of torque, at the proper
RPMs they is no need for the tranny to down shift. ;)


mike hunt



Merritt Mullen wrote:[color=blue]
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> In article <42AE10B4.8E4AF944@mailcity.com>, [email]IleneDover@mailcity.com[/email]
> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > But alas, were is the torque needed to pull the grades and why do
> > Camrys ALWAYS drop behind other traffic on the grades?[/color]
>
> Probably because the Camry drivers neglect to turn off overdrive.
>
> Merritt[/color]

In article <42AF05AC.1BEE0D52@mailcity.com>, [email]MikeHunt2@mailcity.com[/email]
wrote:
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> If the engine produced a decent amount of torque, at the proper
> RPMs they is no need for the tranny to down shift. ;)[/color]

You can't get the "proper RPMs" for maximum power while in overdrive.

Merritt

You forgot to say, while driving a 4 cy Camry. That IS their
problem I have no problem going up those same grades in fifth
gear ;)


mike hunt




Merritt Mullen wrote:[color=blue]
>
> In article <42AF05AC.1BEE0D52@mailcity.com>, [email]MikeHunt2@mailcity.com[/email]
> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > If the engine produced a decent amount of torque, at the proper
> > RPMs they is no need for the tranny to down shift. ;)[/color]
>
> You can't get the "proper RPMs" for maximum power while in overdrive.
>
> Merritt[/color]

In article <42AF3190.E5D65727@mailcity.com>, [email]DustyRhoades@mailcity.com[/email]
wrote:
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> You forgot to say, while driving a 4 cy Camry. That IS their
> problem I have no problem going up those same grades in fifth
> gear ;)[/color]

I don't either in my V6 Avalon, but that doesn't mean I am getting maximum
power when I stay in overdrive. On my 4 cylinder Camry, I punch off the
O/D button and accelerate up the hills.

Merritt

Alas there goes the fuel savings you THOUGHT you would get with
an under power vehicle LOL


mike hunt



Merritt Mullen wrote:[color=blue]
>
> In article <42AF3190.E5D65727@mailcity.com>, [email]DustyRhoades@mailcity.com[/email]
> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > You forgot to say, while driving a 4 cy Camry. That IS their
> > problem I have no problem going up those same grades in fifth
> > gear ;)[/color]
>
> I don't either in my V6 Avalon, but that doesn't mean I am getting maximum
> power when I stay in overdrive. On my 4 cylinder Camry, I punch off the
> O/D button and accelerate up the hills.
>
> Merritt[/color]

In article <42B0594B.A0EF7259@mailcity.com>, [email]DustyRhoades@mailcity.com[/email]
wrote:
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> Alas there goes the fuel savings you THOUGHT you would get with
> an under power vehicle LOL[/color]

Just because I shift down to go up a steep grade? Don't be silly.

Merritt