Skunk2 or TRD?

On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 22:02:00 -0400, Spam Catcher wrote:
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> This will be my first TRD part if I go TRD. I plan on keepng the car
> forever. The dealership says that they would have to see the parts first
> to find a estimate for labor. It would be a year labor Warrenty.
>
> CelicaGT00[/color]

Since it seems you live in CA you just might be able to. I have an '85
Corola GTS and an '85 Celica GTS. The Corolla is rotting away in the back
yard; the original owner of the Celica oiled it every year he had it, but
it too is starting to rot now, and I have an '88 Supra that was Ziebarted,
but it too is JUST starting to bubble up a little. Wish I lived somewhere
where Toyotas lasted forever, because mechanically they are all good. Just
the bodies are rotting off of them.

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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 21:03:54 -0400, Josh wrote:
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>
> "Viperkiller" <nothing@nunya.net> wrote in message
> news:flnma1pjseuh2b2p36cg3o6isud2lmnmci@4ax.com...[color=green]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >
>> >I highly doubt it. TRD products are decent but there are far better[/color][/color]
> products[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >out there. I'm sure the HP #s are hyped up on a car that was opened up[/color][/color]
> from[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >top to bottom. If you want to get more out of your exhaust then you[/color][/color]
> should[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >open up the intake, TB, intake manifold, cams, and throw on a set of
>> >headers.
>> >
>> >And what do you need a warranty for on an exhaust? You would probably[/color][/color]
> save[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >more by installing it yourself. And better yet, buy some pre bent mandrel
>> >parts and build your own exhaust for $200.
>> >[/color]
>>
>> You may doubt it but I know for sure. I installed a TRD muffler on
>> stock 97 Supra Turbo and got a 26 hp increase at the dyno. Other
>> magazines support that figure with at 25 hp increase on theirs. TRD
>> has access to the engineerings that designed the engine. They know
>> what's best for it. As far as installation, my dealer charged me $25
>> to do it. That's worth it considering I'm going to keep the car until
>> it falls apart. $25 for a lifetime warranty on a $800 exhaust is
>> quite a bargain.
>>
>> If you also compare the TRD exhaust to the aftermarket ones, you will
>> find that the TRD has the best fit and finish among them all. I can
>> talk because I've bought plenty of TRD products. How may have you
>> bought?[/color]
>
> I own a MR2 and I know a bit about performance products. $800 for an
> exhaust, or if you can work a wrench you could have one for $200. A muffer
> shop would not charge that much to install or mate something up. TRD may
> have 'access' to the engineering's that designed the engine, big deal!
> There's no rocket science in producing an exhaust system that's right for a
> particular engine.
>
> And please don't tell me that the fit and finish is better, how many exhaust
> systems have you really looked at? You Supra guys need to learn how to do
> some of your own work (yes, us MR2 guys know how you are) =)[/color]

Aw, c'mon Josh, gimmee a break. And I DO do a lot of my own work, but like
our friend here I don't have a lift, and I don't know my way around an
engine well enough. I helped replace the timing belt in my Supra, but I
just didn't have the confidence, tools, knowledge or work area to do it.
It LOOKS easy enough, but because of the age of the car it took two nights.

And before you get to thinking I'm a gibrone, I used to work for companies
where my jobs were tech, engineering ass't, tech support and the companies
built specialized computers BEFORE computers were available to the public,
aircraft engine controls and space suits. Yeah, space suits...I used to
assemble and test EMU's. Oh yeah, and that $25M toilet the astronauts get
to 'sit and think' on...
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>[color=green]
>> I would suggest to Spam Catcher to ask how much the dealer would
>> install yours for. Additionally, ask yourself how long you're
>> planning on keeping the car. That should really determine if it's
>> worth it for you.[/color]
>
> It's all going to come down to price, $900 range for an exhaust is hardly
> worth it when you will get comparable results from producing your own. Let's
> see ...Regrind Cams + Intake + Custom exhaust + Header...or just
> Exhaust...tough choice.[/color]

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"hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
news:qMVqe.1441$5s1.1064@trndny06...[color=blue]
> On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 21:03:54 -0400, Josh wrote:
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> >
> > "Viperkiller" <nothing@nunya.net> wrote in message
> > news:flnma1pjseuh2b2p36cg3o6isud2lmnmci@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
> >>
> >> >
> >> >I highly doubt it. TRD products are decent but there are far better[/color]
> > products[color=darkred]
> >> >out there. I'm sure the HP #s are hyped up on a car that was opened up[/color]
> > from[color=darkred]
> >> >top to bottom. If you want to get more out of your exhaust then you[/color]
> > should[color=darkred]
> >> >open up the intake, TB, intake manifold, cams, and throw on a set of
> >> >headers.
> >> >
> >> >And what do you need a warranty for on an exhaust? You would probably[/color]
> > save[color=darkred]
> >> >more by installing it yourself. And better yet, buy some pre bent[/color][/color][/color]
mandrel[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> >parts and build your own exhaust for $200.
> >> >
> >>
> >> You may doubt it but I know for sure. I installed a TRD muffler on
> >> stock 97 Supra Turbo and got a 26 hp increase at the dyno. Other
> >> magazines support that figure with at 25 hp increase on theirs. TRD
> >> has access to the engineerings that designed the engine. They know
> >> what's best for it. As far as installation, my dealer charged me $25
> >> to do it. That's worth it considering I'm going to keep the car until
> >> it falls apart. $25 for a lifetime warranty on a $800 exhaust is
> >> quite a bargain.
> >>
> >> If you also compare the TRD exhaust to the aftermarket ones, you will
> >> find that the TRD has the best fit and finish among them all. I can
> >> talk because I've bought plenty of TRD products. How may have you
> >> bought?[/color]
> >
> > I own a MR2 and I know a bit about performance products. $800 for an
> > exhaust, or if you can work a wrench you could have one for $200. A[/color][/color]
muffer[color=blue][color=green]
> > shop would not charge that much to install or mate something up. TRD may
> > have 'access' to the engineering's that designed the engine, big deal!
> > There's no rocket science in producing an exhaust system that's right fo[/color][/color]
r a[color=blue][color=green]
> > particular engine.
> >
> > And please don't tell me that the fit and finish is better, how many[/color][/color]
exhaust[color=blue][color=green]
> > systems have you really looked at? You Supra guys need to learn how to[/color][/color]
do[color=blue][color=green]
> > some of your own work (yes, us MR2 guys know how you are) =)[/color]
>
> Aw, c'mon Josh, gimmee a break. And I DO do a lot of my own work, but like
> our friend here I don't have a lift, and I don't know my way around an
> engine well enough. I helped replace the timing belt in my Supra, but I
> just didn't have the confidence, tools, knowledge or work area to do it.
> It LOOKS easy enough, but because of the age of the car it took two[/color]
nights.[color=blue]
>
> And before you get to thinking I'm a gibrone, I used to work for companies
> where my jobs were tech, engineering ass't, tech support and the companies
> built specialized computers BEFORE computers were available to the public,
> aircraft engine controls and space suits. Yeah, space suits...I used to
> assemble and test EMU's. Oh yeah, and that $25M toilet the astronauts get
> to 'sit and think' on...[/color]

I was just picking on the fellow. The MR2 Guys get a lot of crap for not
having what the Supra guys think is an 'elite' car. The MR2 guys give it
back since most Supra guys can't keep up with the MR2 on a track, and
usually cant turn a wrench =)

25M for a toilet? That's crazy. Sounds like you had some neat work
experience.

On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:38:28 -0400, Josh wrote:
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>
> "hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
> news:qMVqe.1441$5s1.1064@trndny06...[color=green]
>> On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 21:03:54 -0400, Josh wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> >
>> > "Viperkiller" <nothing@nunya.net> wrote in message
>> > news:flnma1pjseuh2b2p36cg3o6isud2lmnmci@4ax.com...
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >I highly doubt it. TRD products are decent but there are far better
>> > products
>> >> >out there. I'm sure the HP #s are hyped up on a car that was opened up
>> > from
>> >> >top to bottom. If you want to get more out of your exhaust then you
>> > should
>> >> >open up the intake, TB, intake manifold, cams, and throw on a set of
>> >> >headers.
>> >> >
>> >> >And what do you need a warranty for on an exhaust? You would probably
>> > save
>> >> >more by installing it yourself. And better yet, buy some pre bent[/color][/color]
> mandrel[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >> >parts and build your own exhaust for $200.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> You may doubt it but I know for sure. I installed a TRD muffler on
>> >> stock 97 Supra Turbo and got a 26 hp increase at the dyno. Other
>> >> magazines support that figure with at 25 hp increase on theirs. TRD
>> >> has access to the engineerings that designed the engine. They know
>> >> what's best for it. As far as installation, my dealer charged me $25
>> >> to do it. That's worth it considering I'm going to keep the car until
>> >> it falls apart. $25 for a lifetime warranty on a $800 exhaust is
>> >> quite a bargain.
>> >>
>> >> If you also compare the TRD exhaust to the aftermarket ones, you will
>> >> find that the TRD has the best fit and finish among them all. I can
>> >> talk because I've bought plenty of TRD products. How may have you
>> >> bought?
>> >
>> > I own a MR2 and I know a bit about performance products. $800 for an
>> > exhaust, or if you can work a wrench you could have one for $200. A[/color][/color]
> muffer[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > shop would not charge that much to install or mate something up. TRD may
>> > have 'access' to the engineering's that designed the engine, big deal!
>> > There's no rocket science in producing an exhaust system that's right fo[/color][/color]
> r a[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > particular engine.
>> >
>> > And please don't tell me that the fit and finish is better, how many[/color][/color]
> exhaust[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > systems have you really looked at? You Supra guys need to learn how to[/color][/color]
> do[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > some of your own work (yes, us MR2 guys know how you are) =)[/color]
>>
>> Aw, c'mon Josh, gimmee a break. And I DO do a lot of my own work, but like
>> our friend here I don't have a lift, and I don't know my way around an
>> engine well enough. I helped replace the timing belt in my Supra, but I
>> just didn't have the confidence, tools, knowledge or work area to do it.
>> It LOOKS easy enough, but because of the age of the car it took two[/color]
> nights.[color=green]
>>
>> And before you get to thinking I'm a gibrone, I used to work for companies
>> where my jobs were tech, engineering ass't, tech support and the companies
>> built specialized computers BEFORE computers were available to the public,
>> aircraft engine controls and space suits. Yeah, space suits...I used to
>> assemble and test EMU's. Oh yeah, and that $25M toilet the astronauts get
>> to 'sit and think' on...[/color]
>
> I was just picking on the fellow. The MR2 Guys get a lot of crap for not
> having what the Supra guys think is an 'elite' car. The MR2 guys give it
> back since most Supra guys can't keep up with the MR2 on a track, and
> usually cant turn a wrench =)[/color]

Hey, if i had my way, I'd have an '87 MR2 and a '93 MR2; the '87 because
they RIPPED so well and the '93 'cause they LOOKED so cool! And my Supra,
etc...

Unfortunately, when it comes to actual wrenching, I can keep my 'classics'
running, somewhat...
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>
> 25M for a toilet? That's crazy. Sounds like you had some neat work
> experience.[/color]

Watch History and PBS for shows on Hamilton Standard (or Hamilton
Sunstrand as it is now), and look for some guy called Dr. Flush (not me,
BTW) He usually is talking about spacesuits OR that $25M toilet.

When asked why $25M, his response is "Do you want THAT crap floating
around the cabin with YOU?" It has it's own "artificial gravity", mostly
by using suction.

Shortly after I got laid off there, my daughter came home with a paper for
parents to talk about space and space exploration. I put down that I could
speak on EMUs, and two days later my daughter comes home and says, "I told
the teacher you could get a spacesuit!!!" Yeah, right! If I were still
employed I could sign one out (an OLD!!! Spacelab model with the fittings
for tubes that needed to be attached in order to LIVE...). Luckily, Dr.
Flush singed it out for me, and we had an interesting day.


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In article <ibednaK-cIh8FDbfUSdV9g@ptd.net>, [email]nobody@noplacenowhere.neve[/email]r
says...[color=blue]
> And please don't tell me that the fit and finish is better, how many exhaust
> systems have you really looked at? You Supra guys need to learn how to do
> some of your own work (yes, us MR2 guys know how you are) =)
>[/color]
And us Alltrac/GT4/Turbo AWD drivers look down on all of you and smirk.

Especially when there is a fast corner up ahead, and the road surface is
less than perfect. ;)
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"Sleeker GT Phwoar" <carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d175def3be7641198af9c@news.individual.net...[color=blue]
> In article <ibednaK-cIh8FDbfUSdV9g@ptd.net>, [email]nobody@noplacenowhere.neve[/email]r
> says...[color=green]
> > And please don't tell me that the fit and finish is better, how many[/color][/color]
exhaust[color=blue][color=green]
> > systems have you really looked at? You Supra guys need to learn how to[/color][/color]
do[color=blue][color=green]
> > some of your own work (yes, us MR2 guys know how you are) =)
> >[/color]
> And us Alltrac/GT4/Turbo AWD drivers look down on all of you and smirk.
>
> Especially when there is a fast corner up ahead, and the road surface is
> less than perfect. ;)[/color]

MR2 > Alltrac > Supra =)

Did you make it to na2005 with your Alltrac?