Need some assistance here, folks...

The Chrysler A/C is dead. Last fall it was making noises like marbles
rattling around in a coffee can.

I'm HOPING it is just low on gas. I want to get a can of R-134 (about a
LB) and put it in the system. I did this with my 'hachiroku', added 4 lbs
(what the 'spec' said) and it ran for two weeks before blowing the
compressor. Oops, it's only a 2.4 LB system!!! (can't remember where I got
the spec, but I guess it was wrong, eh?)

I want to add the gas slowly until (hopefully) the compressor kicks on. I
will probably have to add some oil to the system, too.

I am ASSUMING you add the gas to the High side, with the system on (????)
I don't have a manifold with guages or anything. Even with my employee
discount, it is STILL too much ($125) to spend for a system that may not
be working at all. One of the techs suggested the R-134 in a can.

Any kind of 'procedure' for this Gumby method would be appreciated. Thanks!

On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 14:07:36 +0000, Hachiroku wrote:

Never mind. A tech gave me instructions, said if there wasn't enough
refrigerant the compressor wouldn't turn on. Filled the system...still
didn't turn on. Crap...

[color=blue]
> The Chrysler A/C is dead. Last fall it was making noises like marbles
> rattling around in a coffee can.
>
> I'm HOPING it is just low on gas. I want to get a can of R-134 (about a
> LB) and put it in the system. I did this with my 'hachiroku', added 4 lbs
> (what the 'spec' said) and it ran for two weeks before blowing the
> compressor. Oops, it's only a 2.4 LB system!!! (can't remember where I got
> the spec, but I guess it was wrong, eh?)
>
> I want to add the gas slowly until (hopefully) the compressor kicks on. I
> will probably have to add some oil to the system, too.
>
> I am ASSUMING you add the gas to the High side, with the system on (????)
> I don't have a manifold with guages or anything. Even with my employee
> discount, it is STILL too much ($125) to spend for a system that may not
> be working at all. One of the techs suggested the R-134 in a can.
>
> Any kind of 'procedure' for this Gumby method would be appreciated. Thanks![/color]

"Hachiroku" wrote:[color=blue]
> The Chrysler A/C is dead. Last fall it was making noises like
> marbles
> rattling around in a coffee can.
>
> I'm HOPING it is just low on gas. I want to get a can of R-134
> (about a
> LB) and put it in the system. I did this with my 'hachiroku',
> added 4 lbs
> (what the 'spec' said) and it ran for two weeks before blowing
> the
> compressor. Oops, it's only a 2.4 LB system!!! (can't remember
> where I got
> the spec, but I guess it was wrong, eh?)
>
> I want to add the gas slowly until (hopefully) the compressor
> kicks on. I
> will probably have to add some oil to the system, too.
>
> I am ASSUMING you add the gas to the High side, with the
> system on (????)
> I don't have a manifold with guages or anything. Even with my
> employee
> discount, it is STILL too much ($125) to spend for a system
> that may not
> be working at all. One of the techs suggested the R-134 in a
> can.
>
> Any kind of 'procedure' for this Gumby method would be
> appreciated. Thanks![/color]

If the compressor was growling and making noises it is likely shot
because that is the classic sounds thay make where at end of life
cycle and sometimes they lock up too. A over charge can cause noise to
but not like what you describe. I am sorry but I do not want to give
you false hope here that there is a quick cheap fix because there is
not based on what you posted.

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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 14:07:36 GMT, Hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote:
[color=blue]
>The Chrysler A/C is dead. Last fall it was making noises like marbles
>rattling around in a coffee can.
>
>I'm HOPING it is just low on gas. I want to get a can of R-134 (about a
>LB) and put it in the system. I did this with my 'hachiroku', added 4 lbs
>(what the 'spec' said) and it ran for two weeks before blowing the
>compressor. Oops, it's only a 2.4 LB system!!! (can't remember where I got
>the spec, but I guess it was wrong, eh?)
>
>I want to add the gas slowly until (hopefully) the compressor kicks on. I
>will probably have to add some oil to the system, too.
>
>I am ASSUMING you add the gas to the High side, with the system on (????)
>I don't have a manifold with guages or anything. Even with my employee
>discount, it is STILL too much ($125) to spend for a system that may not
>be working at all. One of the techs suggested the R-134 in a can.[/color]

No, no, no! You add to the LOW side. The big hose coming back from
the evaporator core. If you try adding to the high side (and the hose
kit is too cheap to have a check valve in it) the can will end up in
low earth orbit next to Sputnik. That is, unless you are standing in
the way at the moment it decides to launch...

And get the can with the gauge on the hose - when you hook it up you
do want to see some residual pressure in the system, even if it's not
enough for it to run. If it comes up Zero pressure (or even a vacuum)
you may have bigger problems, like a leak that's big enough to need
fixing. You can try filling it and see what happens...

The gauge will tell you roughly when it's full enough. And realize
that if the system has leaked out the compressor oil charge somehow,
it will blow up not long after putting it back in service. Just like
running your engine with no oil - doesn't matter how full the radiator
is.

--<< Bruce >>--

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Hachiroku wrote:[color=blue]
>
> I am ASSUMING you add the gas to the High side, with the system on (????)[/color]


Add it to the low side. Not the high!

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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 14:36:43 -0400, SnoMan wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Hachiroku" wrote:[color=green]
> > The Chrysler A/C is dead. Last fall it was making noises like
> > marbles
> > rattling around in a coffee can.
> >
> > I'm HOPING it is just low on gas. I want to get a can of R-134
> > (about a
> > LB) and put it in the system. I did this with my 'hachiroku',
> > added 4 lbs
> > (what the 'spec' said) and it ran for two weeks before blowing
> > the
> > compressor. Oops, it's only a 2.4 LB system!!! (can't remember
> > where I got
> > the spec, but I guess it was wrong, eh?)
> >
> > I want to add the gas slowly until (hopefully) the compressor
> > kicks on. I
> > will probably have to add some oil to the system, too.
> >
> > I am ASSUMING you add the gas to the High side, with the
> > system on (????)
> > I don't have a manifold with guages or anything. Even with my
> > employee
> > discount, it is STILL too much ($125) to spend for a system
> > that may not
> > be working at all. One of the techs suggested the R-134 in a
> > can.
> >
> > Any kind of 'procedure' for this Gumby method would be
> > appreciated. Thanks![/color]
>
> If the compressor was growling and making noises it is likely shot
> because that is the classic sounds thay make where at end of life
> cycle and sometimes they lock up too. A over charge can cause noise to
> but not like what you describe. I am sorry but I do not want to give
> you false hope here that there is a quick cheap fix because there is
> not based on what you posted.[/color]

Not a problem...I was hoping but realized that it was probably too late.
Sometimes I luck out, but not often enough...

Thanks anyway!

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"hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
news:gy5re.804$aR1.531@trndny02...[color=blue]
> On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 19:43:51 +0000, Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 14:07:36 GMT, Hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>The Chrysler A/C is dead. Last fall it was making noises like marbles
>>>rattling around in a coffee can.
>>>
>>>I'm HOPING it is just low on gas. I want to get a can of R-134 (about a
>>>LB) and put it in the system. I did this with my 'hachiroku', added 4 lbs
>>>(what the 'spec' said) and it ran for two weeks before blowing the
>>>compressor. Oops, it's only a 2.4 LB system!!! (can't remember where I
>>>got
>>>the spec, but I guess it was wrong, eh?)
>>>
>>>I want to add the gas slowly until (hopefully) the compressor kicks on. I
>>>will probably have to add some oil to the system, too.
>>>
>>>I am ASSUMING you add the gas to the High side, with the system on (????)
>>>I don't have a manifold with guages or anything. Even with my employee
>>>discount, it is STILL too much ($125) to spend for a system that may not
>>>be working at all. One of the techs suggested the R-134 in a can.[/color]
>>
>> No, no, no! You add to the LOW side. The big hose coming back from
>> the evaporator core. If you try adding to the high side (and the hose
>> kit is too cheap to have a check valve in it) the can will end up in
>> low earth orbit next to Sputnik. That is, unless you are standing in
>> the way at the moment it decides to launch...[/color]
>
> Thankfully, the kit came with instructions, the guy at AutoZone was
> actually knowledgable, and the compressor was marked with caps marked "H"
> & "L". No Sputniks today, thank you!!
>[color=green]
>>
>> And get the can with the gauge on the hose - when you hook it up you
>> do want to see some residual pressure in the system, even if it's not
>> enough for it to run. If it comes up Zero pressure (or even a vacuum)
>> you may have bigger problems, like a leak that's big enough to need
>> fixing. You can try filling it and see what happens...[/color]
>
>
> Well, there was some residual pressue so the system was not totally empty.
> But, the compressor never did kick on. New compressor time? Hmmm...$235
> for a (flaky) rebuilt one...
>[/color]

Hachi-San,

Check to see if you have power to the compressor - if not, check fuses,
circuit breakers, relays, fusible links, controls, pressure switches, etc.
If you have power to the compressor, then the compressor clutch is probably
shot.
--
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"Hachiroku" wrote:[color=blue]
>On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 14:07:36 +0000, Hachiroku wrote:
>
>Never mind. A tech gave me instructions, said if there wasn’t
>enough
>refrigerant the compressor wouldn’t turn on. Filled the
>system...still
>didn’t turn on. Crap...
>
>
>[/color]

Look for another "tech" because he gave you bad advise. If it was
grinding and growling it is shot and more or new refrigerant is just
wasted money at this stage because it will not quiet or "fix" a worn
out compressor. If you had not mentioned the noise before failure I
would have said check charge but it is pointless with a noisy
compressor.

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On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 01:44:44 GMT, hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Well, there was some residual pressue so the system was not totally empty.
>But, the compressor never did kick on. New compressor time? Hmmm...$235
>for a (flaky) rebuilt one...[/color]

Before you panic, trace through the electrical circuits and see
where you do or do not get power. It goes through (not necessarily in
this order...) the clutch to ground, but you follow the line from the
clutch back and you have a fuse for the clutch, and a low-pressure
switch on the low-side line (empty system cut-off) before you get back
to the controls on the dash.

And at the dashboard you have the temperature control slider circuit
and the "AC Amplifier" sensing the core temperature to keep the
evaporator core from icing over.

Buy one of the line techs a six-pack and have him trace that through
- and watch him do it. Troubleshooting is all in being methodical.

--<< Bruce >>--
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"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote:[color=blue]
>On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 01:44:44 GMT, hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.gts>
>wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Well, there was some residual pressue so the system was not[/color]
>totally empty.[color=green]
>>But, the compressor never did kick on. New compressor time?[/color]
>Hmmm...5[color=green]
>>for a (flaky) rebuilt one...[/color]
>
> Before you panic, trace through the electrical circuits and see
>where you do or do not get power. It goes through (not necessarily[/color]
in[color=blue]
>this order...) the clutch to ground, but you follow the line from the
>clutch back and you have a fuse for the clutch, and a low-pressure
>switch on the low-side line (empty system cut-off) before you get[/color]
back[color=blue]
>to the controls on the dash.
>
> And at the dashboard you have the temperature control slider[/color]
circuit[color=blue]
>and the "AC Amplifier" sensing the core temperature to keep the
>evaporator core from icing over.
>
> Buy one of the line techs a six-pack and have him trace that[/color]
through[color=blue]
>- and watch him do it. Troubleshooting is all in being methodical.
>
> --<< Bruce >>--[/color]

Why are you doing all of this for NOISY compressor that sounded really
bad before it quit working???? It is not like it was working fine on
day nice a quiet and suddenly quit!! You have him looking for the
wrong fix. He needs to replace compressor and drier, vac system and
recharge and THEN it should work but it is very pointless to try to
run a compressor that was very noisy before it quit working. (Read
orginal post)

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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:19:48 -0500, Ray O wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> "hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
> news:gy5re.804$aR1.531@trndny02...[color=green]
>> On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 19:43:51 +0000, Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 14:07:36 GMT, Hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote:
>>>
>>>>The Chrysler A/C is dead. Last fall it was making noises like marbles
>>>>rattling around in a coffee can.
>>>>
>>>>I'm HOPING it is just low on gas. I want to get a can of R-134 (about a
>>>>LB) and put it in the system. I did this with my 'hachiroku', added 4 lbs
>>>>(what the 'spec' said) and it ran for two weeks before blowing the
>>>>compressor. Oops, it's only a 2.4 LB system!!! (can't remember where I
>>>>got
>>>>the spec, but I guess it was wrong, eh?)
>>>>
>>>>I want to add the gas slowly until (hopefully) the compressor kicks on. I
>>>>will probably have to add some oil to the system, too.
>>>>
>>>>I am ASSUMING you add the gas to the High side, with the system on (????)
>>>>I don't have a manifold with guages or anything. Even with my employee
>>>>discount, it is STILL too much ($125) to spend for a system that may not
>>>>be working at all. One of the techs suggested the R-134 in a can.
>>>
>>> No, no, no! You add to the LOW side. The big hose coming back from
>>> the evaporator core. If you try adding to the high side (and the hose
>>> kit is too cheap to have a check valve in it) the can will end up in
>>> low earth orbit next to Sputnik. That is, unless you are standing in
>>> the way at the moment it decides to launch...[/color]
>>
>> Thankfully, the kit came with instructions, the guy at AutoZone was
>> actually knowledgable, and the compressor was marked with caps marked "H"
>> & "L". No Sputniks today, thank you!!
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> And get the can with the gauge on the hose - when you hook it up you
>>> do want to see some residual pressure in the system, even if it's not
>>> enough for it to run. If it comes up Zero pressure (or even a vacuum)
>>> you may have bigger problems, like a leak that's big enough to need
>>> fixing. You can try filling it and see what happens...[/color]
>>
>>
>> Well, there was some residual pressue so the system was not totally empty.
>> But, the compressor never did kick on. New compressor time? Hmmm...$235
>> for a (flaky) rebuilt one...
>>[/color]
>
> Hachi-San,[/color]

Hahahaha! Hachi-San! I like it! Kenichi-wa!
[color=blue]
>
> Check to see if you have power to the compressor - if not, check fuses,
> circuit breakers, relays, fusible links, controls, pressure switches, etc.
> If you have power to the compressor, then the compressor clutch is probably
> shot.[/color]

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On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 02:36:29 -0400, SnoMan wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Hachiroku" wrote:[color=green]
>>On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 14:07:36 +0000, Hachiroku wrote:
>>
>>Never mind. A tech gave me instructions, said if there wasn't
>>enough
>>refrigerant the compressor wouldn't turn on. Filled the
>>system...still
>>didn't turn on. Crap...
>>
>>
>>[/color]
>
> Look for another "tech" because he gave you bad advise. If it was
> grinding and growling it is shot and more or new refrigerant is just
> wasted money at this stage because it will not quiet or "fix" a worn
> out compressor. If you had not mentioned the noise before failure I
> would have said check charge but it is pointless with a noisy
> compressor.[/color]


But I did have one smooth out once just by adding Freon. Once. A long
time ago...in a galaxy far far away...

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In article <DI2se.9420$Nx1.1902@trndny05>, hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.gts>
wrote:
[color=blue]
> Hahahaha! Hachi-San! I like it! Kenichi-wa![/color]

That should be "Konichi-wa", boy-san.

<grin>

Merritt

"hachiroku" wrote:[color=blue]
>
>
>But I did have one smooth out once just by adding Freon. Once. A
>long
>time ago...in a galaxy far far away...
>[/color]

Yes, long long ago. Freon will not fix it now sad to say based on your
observations.

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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 01:28:01 +0000, Merritt Mullen wrote:
[color=blue]
> In article <DI2se.9420$Nx1.1902@trndny05>, hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.gts>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Hahahaha! Hachi-San! I like it! Kenichi-wa![/color]
>
> That should be "Konichi-wa", boy-san.
>
> <grin>
>
> Merritt[/color]

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(some may remember about a year ago, I did this by accident and about 1/3
of the group couldn't read my posts...)

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