2005 Camry Factory Manual *(&^*%

I just called Toyota to get the price on a factory manual for my new 05 LE.
Here's what I found out.
Volume 1...$128.00
Volume 2...$128.00
Volume 3...$88.00
Electrical diagrams.. $87.00 or a total of $458.00
When I asked why so many and why so much they responded saying that they
were printed in Japan and were getting so big that they had to be
sectionalized.
This is outrageous to say the least for a company to try to rip someone a
new one who just wants to know a bit more about the car and perhaps try some
self maintenance that's not intuitively obvious.
If I keep the car beyond the expiration of the 3 yr 36,000 mile warranty
I'll buy an extended warranted because it's only $875 if you shop around.

--

73
Hank WD5JFR

Henry Kolesnik wrote:[color=blue]
> I just called Toyota to get the price on a factory manual for my new 05 LE.
> Here's what I found out.
> Volume 1...$128.00
> Volume 2...$128.00
> Volume 3...$88.00
> Electrical diagrams.. $87.00 or a total of $458.00
>[/color]

pricey, but apparently not unusual for the multiple volumes. As I said
even the shop manuals for my 1972 Ford Gran Torino came in 4 volumes
(plus electrical diagrams which I didn't acquire)

Look... here's a link to an electronic one (says its OEM) on ebay, for
$14.99. I didn't vet it (hell I'm not experienced enough to), but if
its what you want, you better jump on it quick.

[url]http://search.ebay.com/2005-camry-shop-manual[/url]
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>
> When I asked why so many and why so much they responded saying that they
> were printed in Japan and were getting so big that they had to be
> sectionalized.
> This is outrageous to say the least for a company to try to rip someone a
> new one who just wants to know a bit more about the car and perhaps try some
> self maintenance that's not intuitively obvious.
>[/color]

if you can make heads or tails of the information in a shop manual, my
friend, you're quite talented or experienced. Hardly normal self
maintenance.

"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1Qkse.1519$kX4.447@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...[color=blue]
>I just called Toyota to get the price on a factory manual for my new 05 LE.
> Here's what I found out.
> Volume 1...$128.00
> Volume 2...$128.00
> Volume 3...$88.00
> Electrical diagrams.. $87.00 or a total of $458.00
> When I asked why so many and why so much they responded saying that they
> were printed in Japan and were getting so big that they had to be
> sectionalized.
> This is outrageous to say the least for a company to try to rip someone a
> new one who just wants to know a bit more about the car and perhaps try
> some self maintenance that's not intuitively obvious.
> If I keep the car beyond the expiration of the 3 yr 36,000 mile warranty
> I'll buy an extended warranted because it's only $875 if you shop around.
>
> --
>
> 73
> Hank WD5JFR
>[/color]
Obviously, you haven't tried to buy a book in a college course recently!
:)

"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1Qkse.1519$kX4.447@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...[color=blue]
>I just called Toyota to get the price on a factory manual for my new 05 LE.
> Here's what I found out.
> Volume 1...$128.00
> Volume 2...$128.00
> Volume 3...$88.00
> Electrical diagrams.. $87.00 or a total of $458.00
> When I asked why so many and why so much they responded saying that they
> were printed in Japan and were getting so big that they had to be
> sectionalized.
> This is outrageous to say the least for a company to try to rip someone a
> new one who just wants to know a bit more about the car and perhaps try
> some self maintenance that's not intuitively obvious.
> If I keep the car beyond the expiration of the 3 yr 36,000 mile warranty
> I'll buy an extended warranted because it's only $875 if you shop around.
>
> --
>
> 73
> Hank WD5JFR[/color]

Toyota Factory service manuals are written for dealership service personnel
and are not intended for do-it-yourselfers. The information is so complete
in regards to technical information that it probably has stuff a homeowner
would never attempt at home. For example, most homeowners do not have an
emissions tester, nor would they be plasti-gauging main bearings. On the
other hand, the manual might not have information on some procedures that
any automotive professional would know but a do-it-yourselfer might not
know, like how to bleed brakes, adjusting parking brakes, etc.

I have factory service manuals for our 97 Avalon and for our old 93 Previa,
I gave away the set of manuals for our 92 Camry when I sold the Camry.

As far as splitting the books into various volumes, believe me, it is a lot
easier to balance a book that is 2 inches thick in the engine compartment
than one that is 6 or 10 inches thick!

If you have basic automotive knowledge, you will not need a book to replace
brake pads and shoes or do the routine maintenance items in the owner's
manual except perhaps for changing a timing belt. I recommend Chilton,
Haynes, or Motors manuals for do-it-yourselfers because they have the
information do-it-yourselfers seem to need the most while omitting less
common information.

The advent of OBD II has standardized diagnostic trouble codes so you can go
online and get that stuff for free.
--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply

Sunday I put my 1998 Toyota Sienna Factory manual on eBay, it has pretty
much everything in one volume and now sells for $128.15 plus shipping and
tax. I believe I know exactly what Toyota has done, it has made another
profit center out of manuals just like all the other parts. Break a book
into 4 parts and charge just about the same as you charged for one book,
quadruple profits. An 04 Camry isn't that more complex than a 98 Sienna.
I'm pretty sure that the car parts business for Toyota is probably more
profitable than selling cars especially when there are no equivalent
alternative like say for tires, batteries, belts, brake pads etc. But as
soon as someone sees a potential to compete with Toyota they'll make and
sell parts cheaper.
Back in my career I used to purchase lots of complicated equipment and
always specified extra manuals. Many of the vendors would try to charge
extra and I would have the equipment order cancelled. Many would moan and
complain but eventually come thru, not one ever backed out. But any
subsequent order would be tantamount to bending over. I also always
demanded a an extended warranty at no additional charge and got it most of
the time. Too bad I was only buying one Camry LE.

--

73
Hank WD5JFR

"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:1Qkse.1519$kX4.447@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...[color=green]
>>I just called Toyota to get the price on a factory manual for my new 05
>>LE.
>> Here's what I found out.
>> Volume 1...$128.00
>> Volume 2...$128.00
>> Volume 3...$88.00
>> Electrical diagrams.. $87.00 or a total of $458.00
>> When I asked why so many and why so much they responded saying that they
>> were printed in Japan and were getting so big that they had to be
>> sectionalized.
>> This is outrageous to say the least for a company to try to rip someone a
>> new one who just wants to know a bit more about the car and perhaps try
>> some self maintenance that's not intuitively obvious.
>> If I keep the car beyond the expiration of the 3 yr 36,000 mile warranty
>> I'll buy an extended warranted because it's only $875 if you shop around.
>>
>> --
>>
>> 73
>> Hank WD5JFR[/color]
>
> Toyota Factory service manuals are written for dealership service
> personnel and are not intended for do-it-yourselfers. The information is
> so complete in regards to technical information that it probably has stuff
> a homeowner would never attempt at home. For example, most homeowners do
> not have an emissions tester, nor would they be plasti-gauging main
> bearings. On the other hand, the manual might not have information on
> some procedures that any automotive professional would know but a
> do-it-yourselfer might not know, like how to bleed brakes, adjusting
> parking brakes, etc.
>
> I have factory service manuals for our 97 Avalon and for our old 93
> Previa, I gave away the set of manuals for our 92 Camry when I sold the
> Camry.
>
> As far as splitting the books into various volumes, believe me, it is a
> lot easier to balance a book that is 2 inches thick in the engine
> compartment than one that is 6 or 10 inches thick!
>
> If you have basic automotive knowledge, you will not need a book to
> replace brake pads and shoes or do the routine maintenance items in the
> owner's manual except perhaps for changing a timing belt. I recommend
> Chilton, Haynes, or Motors manuals for do-it-yourselfers because they have
> the information do-it-yourselfers seem to need the most while omitting
> less common information.
>
> The advent of OBD II has standardized diagnostic trouble codes so you can
> go online and get that stuff for free.
> --
> Ray O
> correct the return address punctuation to reply
>
>
>[/color]

"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote in message
news:61e5e$42b1e070$44a4a10d$17532@msgid.meganewsservers.com...[color=blue]
>
> "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:1Qkse.1519$kX4.447@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...[color=green]
>>I just called Toyota to get the price on a factory manual for my new 05
>>LE.
>> Here's what I found out.
>> Volume 1...$128.00
>> Volume 2...$128.00
>> Volume 3...$88.00
>> Electrical diagrams.. $87.00 or a total of $458.00
>> When I asked why so many and why so much they responded saying that they
>> were printed in Japan and were getting so big that they had to be
>> sectionalized.
>> This is outrageous to say the least for a company to try to rip someone a
>> new one who just wants to know a bit more about the car and perhaps try
>> some self maintenance that's not intuitively obvious.
>> If I keep the car beyond the expiration of the 3 yr 36,000 mile warranty
>> I'll buy an extended warranted because it's only $875 if you shop around.
>>
>> --
>>
>> 73
>> Hank WD5JFR[/color]
>
> Toyota Factory service manuals are written for dealership service
> personnel and are not intended for do-it-yourselfers. The information is
> so complete in regards to technical information that it probably has stuff
> a homeowner would never attempt at home. For example, most homeowners do
> not have an emissions tester, nor would they be plasti-gauging main
> bearings. On the other hand, the manual might not have information on
> some procedures that any automotive professional would know but a
> do-it-yourselfer might not know, like how to bleed brakes, adjusting
> parking brakes, etc.
>
> I have factory service manuals for our 97 Avalon and for our old 93
> Previa, I gave away the set of manuals for our 92 Camry when I sold the
> Camry.
>
> As far as splitting the books into various volumes, believe me, it is a
> lot easier to balance a book that is 2 inches thick in the engine
> compartment than one that is 6 or 10 inches thick!
>
> If you have basic automotive knowledge, you will not need a book to
> replace brake pads and shoes or do the routine maintenance items in the
> owner's manual except perhaps for changing a timing belt. I recommend
> Chilton, Haynes, or Motors manuals for do-it-yourselfers because they have
> the information do-it-yourselfers seem to need the most while omitting
> less common information.
>
> The advent of OBD II has standardized diagnostic trouble codes so you can
> go online and get that stuff for free.
> --
> Ray O
> correct the return address punctuation to reply
>
>
>[/color]

Factory manuals is nice to have around even half of the stuff I couldn't
touch from either lack of knowledge or special tools. It's by far better
than any Chilton, Haynes or somesuch. I've rebuild an automatic transmission
with a factory manual in hand years ago - young, stupid and no money. I
wouldn't not try this with a Chilton or Haynes.

If too costly - wait til after the 3 year warranty is out and then look for
used set on ebay! There are several mail order Yota parts places that
discount OEM stuff 20-30% .

"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1Qkse.1519$kX4.447@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...[color=blue]
>I just called Toyota to get the price on a factory manual for my new 05 LE.
> Here's what I found out.
> Volume 1...$128.00
> Volume 2...$128.00
> Volume 3...$88.00
> Electrical diagrams.. $87.00 or a total of $458.00
> When I asked why so many and why so much they responded saying that they
> were printed in Japan and were getting so big that they had to be
> sectionalized.
> This is outrageous to say the least for a company to try to rip someone a
> new one who just wants to know a bit more about the car and perhaps try
> some self maintenance that's not intuitively obvious.
> If I keep the car beyond the expiration of the 3 yr 36,000 mile warranty
> I'll buy an extended warranted because it's only $875 if you shop around.
>
> --
>
> 73
> Hank WD5JFR
>[/color]

Learning Richard
Thanks for pointing out the CD on eBay. My experience with CDs has not been
the best as I have one for my Mercedes because that is the only think
availasble at the time. I later found paper manuals at at reasonable price
and like them much better.
I've asked the seller if his CD is a copy of the 4 vol paper manuals that
sell for $458.00.
tnx
Hank
"Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Wolfgang wrote:[color=green]
>> If too costly - wait til after the 3 year warranty is out and then look
>> for
>> used set on ebay! There are several mail order Yota parts places that
>> discount OEM stuff 20-30% .
>>[/color]
>
> fuck me man... I posted a damn link to an electronic OEM Camry Shop
> manual on ebay for $14.99. all this whining about OT posts must've
> caused it to be looked over.
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>> "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:1Qkse.1519$kX4.447@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...[color=darkred]
>> >I just called Toyota to get the price on a factory manual for my new 05
>> >LE.
>> > Here's what I found out.
>> > Volume 1...$128.00
>> > Volume 2...$128.00
>> > Volume 3...$88.00
>> > Electrical diagrams.. $87.00 or a total of $458.00
>> > When I asked why so many and why so much they responded saying that
>> > they
>> > were printed in Japan and were getting so big that they had to be
>> > sectionalized.
>> > This is outrageous to say the least for a company to try to rip someone
>> > a
>> > new one who just wants to know a bit more about the car and perhaps try
>> > some self maintenance that's not intuitively obvious.
>> > If I keep the car beyond the expiration of the 3 yr 36,000 mile
>> > warranty
>> > I'll buy an extended warranted because it's only $875 if you shop
>> > around.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > 73
>> > Hank WD5JFR
>> >[/color][/color]
>[/color]