Temperature related transmission whine

I have a '95 Toyota Corolla GLI with a 4 speed automatic transmission.
Lately, it has developed a low pitched whine under load (acceleration,
climbing a hill), which I suspect is from the transmission.
The noise comes on at around 2200-2500 rpm, only at a certain
temperature range.
When the engine is cold, no noise.
After 20-25 minutes drive, noise appears, very audible.
With engine/tranny hot (after some 40-45 minutes drive), noise is gone.
Any help will be greately appreciated.

"Dan" <drnwnr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I have a '95 Toyota Corolla GLI with a 4 speed automatic transmission.
> Lately, it has developed a low pitched whine under load (acceleration,
> climbing a hill), which I suspect is from the transmission.
> The noise comes on at around 2200-2500 rpm, only at a certain
> temperature range.
> When the engine is cold, no noise.
> After 20-25 minutes drive, noise appears, very audible.
> With engine/tranny hot (after some 40-45 minutes drive), noise is gone.
> Any help will be greately appreciated.
>[/color]
Was the transaxle, accessory drive belts, timing belt, etc. serviced
recently?

Check the transmission fluid and see if it looks red and is translucent or
is brown and smells burnt. If it is the latter, have the fluid replaced.

Noises are very difficult to diagnose without actually hearing them. My
recommendation is to have a pro ride with you to hear it.
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None of the above servicing has been performed recently, but there was
some body repair after accident that caused damage in front. Tranny
fluid is ok. At the shop I've been told noise may come from one of the
accessories (water pump, alternator), but this doesn't make sense since
noise is there only under load.

<drnwnr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>... this doesn't make sense since noise is there only under load.[/color]

Actually, it makes very good sense. Alternators often whine under load, but
this is unlikely to be your problem. It could be the power steering pump
(check the level), or the cam belt tensioner bearing. At the very least the
various belts should be checked for wear and damage. Does your engine have a
two piece front pulley? If so it could be separating.

You say the trans fluid is OK. How do you know this?

Stewart DIBBS

Can you explain why a belt tensioner or other accessory bearing may
whine only when accelerating or going uphill and not in idle?
What exactly is a "two piece front pulley"?
It's an automatic tranny, so it's easy to check fluid condition (with
dipstick).

"Dan" <drnwnr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Can you explain why a belt tensioner or other accessory bearing may
> whine only when accelerating or going uphill and not in idle?
> What exactly is a "two piece front pulley"?
> It's an automatic tranny, so it's easy to check fluid condition (with
> dipstick).
>[/color]
When accelerating or going uphill, the engine is producing more torque than
at idle.
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"Dan" wrote:[color=blue]
>I have a ’95 Toyota Corolla GLI with a 4 speed automatic
>transmission.
>Lately, it has developed a low pitched whine under load[/color]
(acceleration,[color=blue]
>climbing a hill), which I suspect is from the transmission.
>The noise comes on at around 2200-2500 rpm, only at a certain
>temperature range.
>When the engine is cold, no noise.
>After 20-25 minutes drive, noise appears, very audible.
>With engine/tranny hot (after some 40-45 minutes drive), noise is
>gone.
>Any help will be greately appreciated.[/color]

Hard to be certain but it will be one of two things, the front pump or
the torque converter and in that order would be my guess.

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"drnwnr" wrote:[color=blue]
>None of the above servicing has been performed recently, but there[/color]
was[color=blue]
>some body repair after accident that caused damage in front. Tranny
>fluid is ok. At the shop I’ve been told noise may come from one
>of the
>accessories (water pump, alternator), but this doesn’t make
>sense since
>noise is there only under load.[/color]

Last winter a tranny of mine developed a slight noisy like this, it
was a GM 4L80E, (and the only tranny problem I have ever had in 30
plus years too) and they replaced the torque converter and the front
pump at no cost to me and said that they have had a few problem with
them. Tranny still worked fine and likley would have continued to work
too and it was not a loud noise either. Anyway after the parts change,
the noise was gone and has not returned.

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I'm trying to figure out how (and if) a front collision could have
caused tranny damage like this. Before the accident there was no noise.
The transmission wasn't directly hit in the accident (radiator, bumper
and hood had to be replaced).
Could it be related to a slightly bent chassis or out of spec front
alignment?

"Dan" <drnwnr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'm trying to figure out how (and if) a front collision could have
> caused tranny damage like this. Before the accident there was no noise.
> The transmission wasn't directly hit in the accident (radiator, bumper
> and hood had to be replaced).
> Could it be related to a slightly bent chassis or out of spec front
> alignment?
>[/color]

When you are looking for advice or information, you should include all the
facts up front so you don't get irrelevant information. Has the car been
fixed yet?

A slightly bent chassis our out-of-alignment condition is unlikely to cause
a transmission whine although either condition can cause premature or uneven
tire wear. A reputable body shop will check chassis and suspension
alignment during repair.

I don't remember the design of your particular car but the if one of the
half-shafts (driveshafts) has a center support bearing that is way out of
alignment, the bearing in it could make noises. A little bit of
mis-alignment on the support bearing shouldn't make noise.

It is possible that front-end damage could cause a power steering fluid
leak, or the power steering fluid could be a little low from seepage over
time. A low fluid level in your power steering reservoir will cause it to
make a moaning/whining sound.

An over-tightened belt can make the bearings in your air conditioner
compressor, power steering pump, and/or alternator wear more quickly, which
would make moaning/whining noises.

Noises are difficult to diagnose without hearing. I recommend that you take
the car for professional diagnosis.
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Ray O wrote:
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> When you are looking for advice or information, you should include all the
> facts up front so you don't get irrelevant information. Has the car been
> fixed yet?[/color]

He did in another post. I suggested pinched trans cooler line(s).
That wasn't it. I was out of good ideas at that point.
[color=blue]
> I don't remember the design of your particular car but the if one of the
> half-shafts (driveshafts) has a center support bearing that is way out of
> alignment, the bearing in it could make noises.[/color]

They don't. The passenger axle is just a regular CV shaft but longer.
[color=blue]
> It is possible that front-end damage could cause a power steering fluid
> leak, or the power steering fluid could be a little low from seepage over
> time. A low fluid level in your power steering reservoir will cause it to
> make a moaning/whining sound.[/color]

Yup.
[color=blue]
> An over-tightened belt can make the bearings in your air conditioner
> compressor, power steering pump, and/or alternator wear more quickly, which
> would make moaning/whining noises.[/color]

Yup.
[color=blue]
> Noises are difficult to diagnose without hearing. I recommend that you take
> the car for professional diagnosis.[/color]

Yup.

"Comboverfish" <comboverfish@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Ray O wrote:
>[color=green]
>> When you are looking for advice or information, you should include all
>> the
>> facts up front so you don't get irrelevant information. Has the car been
>> fixed yet?[/color]
>
> He did in another post. I suggested pinched trans cooler line(s).
> That wasn't it. I was out of good ideas at that point.
>[color=green]
>> I don't remember the design of your particular car but the if one of the
>> half-shafts (driveshafts) has a center support bearing that is way out of
>> alignment, the bearing in it could make noises.[/color]
>
> They don't. The passenger axle is just a regular CV shaft but longer.
>[color=green]
>> It is possible that front-end damage could cause a power steering fluid
>> leak, or the power steering fluid could be a little low from seepage
>> over
>> time. A low fluid level in your power steering reservoir will cause it
>> to
>> make a moaning/whining sound.[/color]
>
> Yup.
>[color=green]
>> An over-tightened belt can make the bearings in your air conditioner
>> compressor, power steering pump, and/or alternator wear more quickly,
>> which
>> would make moaning/whining noises.[/color]
>
> Yup.
>[color=green]
>> Noises are difficult to diagnose without hearing. I recommend that you
>> take
>> the car for professional diagnosis.[/color]
>
> Yup.
>[/color]
The Field Technical Specialist I used to work with at the S.F. Region was
hard of hearing, due to time spent in a foxhole at Guadalcanal. (He used to
joke about the irony of working for a Japanese company after surviving that
battle). This guy could fix anything but noises - he'd always say he didn't
hear anything.
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Thanks all for the inputs.
Haven't found the noise source yet.
I've been at several shops and have been told that they don't know
where this noise is coming from, but it is probably not transmission
related.
And that it will take a lot of work just to pinpoint it.
Oh, well, I guess I'll just have to live with it...
I'm just wondering what part could make such a noise only when hot and
why?

"Dan" wrote:[color=blue]
>Thanks all for the inputs.
>Haven’t found the noise source yet.
>I’ve been at several shops and have been told that they
>don’t know
>where this noise is coming from, but it is probably not transmission
>related.
>And that it will take a lot of work just to pinpoint it.
>Oh, well, I guess I’ll just have to live with it...
>I’m just wondering what part could make such a noise only when
>hot and
>why?[/color]

If it is a whine that gets worse with tempature you are looking at the
power steering pump or tranny front pump. They both can make noise for
quite some time before they fail. A tranny pump noise is hard to
locate in a FWD car because everything is together in one package more
or less.

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"Dan" <drnwnr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks all for the inputs.
> Haven't found the noise source yet.
> I've been at several shops and have been told that they don't know
> where this noise is coming from, but it is probably not transmission
> related.
> And that it will take a lot of work just to pinpoint it.
> Oh, well, I guess I'll just have to live with it...
> I'm just wondering what part could make such a noise only when hot and
> why?
>[/color]

There were numerous posts offering numerous suggestions. Some possibilities
are power steering pump, alternator, AC compressor, water pump, pulley, and,
depending on the model, hydraulic cooling fan.
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