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Old 07-05-2005, 05:05 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Re: OT BUSH SPOKE LAST NIGHT


"Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
news:ntspam-5E597E.16340905072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=blue]
> In article <imrye.3894$8f7.2100@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> Joseph Oberlander <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> dizzy wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:39:46 -0400, some stupid top-posting,
>> > nym-shifting troll, currently calling himself MelvinGibson wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>Art wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>I always have my flag out. But Bush is still a low IQ liar.
>> >>
>> >>Only in the eyes of his opponents,
>> >
>> >
>> > Wrong again, top poster. Even his supporters know that we were lied
>> > to about Iraq, but since they are mostly just mindless drones, they
>> > don't seem to care.[/color]
>>
>> That's a pretty vaild way of stating the situation.
>>
>> It's clear that Bush knows what he's doing is wrong, yet
>> doesn't care at all. Isn't that even a little disturbing
>> to his followers?[/color]
>
> Ha Ha, Bush got better grades on tougher subjects than Kerry.
> --
>[/color]

How come he didn't earn a higher GPA then?


 
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Old 07-05-2005, 05:15 PM   #47 (permalink)
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On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 21:34:09 GMT, Dbu_^ <ntspam@spc.om> wrote:
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>Ha Ha, Bush got better grades on tougher subjects than Kerry.[/color]

With a slightly higher GPA as well.


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Old 07-05-2005, 05:22 PM   #48 (permalink)
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In article <5vDye.740$VN3.710@trnddc01>, "Truckdude" <EDuhbyuh@cox.net>
wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
> news:ntspam-5E597E.16340905072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=green]
> > In article <imrye.3894$8f7.2100@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> > Joseph Oberlander <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> dizzy wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:39:46 -0400, some stupid top-posting,
> >> > nym-shifting troll, currently calling himself MelvinGibson wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>Art wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>I always have my flag out. But Bush is still a low IQ liar.
> >> >>
> >> >>Only in the eyes of his opponents,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Wrong again, top poster. Even his supporters know that we were lied
> >> > to about Iraq, but since they are mostly just mindless drones, they
> >> > don't seem to care.
> >>
> >> That's a pretty vaild way of stating the situation.
> >>
> >> It's clear that Bush knows what he's doing is wrong, yet
> >> doesn't care at all. Isn't that even a little disturbing
> >> to his followers?[/color]
> >
> > Ha Ha, Bush got better grades on tougher subjects than Kerry.
> > --
> >[/color]
>
> How come he didn't earn a higher GPA then?[/color]

He did.
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Old 07-05-2005, 05:49 PM   #49 (permalink)
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"Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
news:ntspam-DE87BE.17224005072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=blue]
> In article <5vDye.740$VN3.710@trnddc01>, "Truckdude" <EDuhbyuh@cox.net>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
>> news:ntspam-5E597E.16340905072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=darkred]
>> > In article <imrye.3894$8f7.2100@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
>> > Joseph Oberlander <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> dizzy wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:39:46 -0400, some stupid top-posting,
>> >> > nym-shifting troll, currently calling himself MelvinGibson wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>Art wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>I always have my flag out. But Bush is still a low IQ liar.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Only in the eyes of his opponents,
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Wrong again, top poster. Even his supporters know that we were lied
>> >> > to about Iraq, but since they are mostly just mindless drones, they
>> >> > don't seem to care.
>> >>
>> >> That's a pretty vaild way of stating the situation.
>> >>
>> >> It's clear that Bush knows what he's doing is wrong, yet
>> >> doesn't care at all. Isn't that even a little disturbing
>> >> to his followers?
>> >
>> > Ha Ha, Bush got better grades on tougher subjects than Kerry.
>> > --
>> >[/color]
>>
>> How come he didn't earn a higher GPA then?[/color]
>
> He did.
> --
>[/color]

My mistake then. I had read that they both earned "C" averages.


 
Old 07-05-2005, 06:08 PM   #50 (permalink)
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"Truckdude" <EDuhbyuh@cox.net> wrote in message
news:5vDye.740$VN3.710@trnddc01...[color=blue][color=green]
>> Ha Ha, Bush got better grades on tougher subjects than Kerry.[/color]
> How come he didn't earn a higher GPA then?[/color]

Remember when Bush's supporters insisted that his
Yale grades were NOT a fairt indication of his learning
and intelligence? Hehe. Yet another flip-flop.


 
Old 07-05-2005, 06:15 PM   #51 (permalink)
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"Truckdude" <EDuhbyuh@cox.net> wrote in message
news:x7Eye.14244$H64.5743@trnddc07...[color=blue]
>
> "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
> news:ntspam-DE87BE.17224005072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=green]
>> In article <5vDye.740$VN3.710@trnddc01>, "Truckdude" <EDuhbyuh@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
>>> news:ntspam-5E597E.16340905072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>> > In article <imrye.3894$8f7.2100@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
>>> > Joseph Oberlander <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> dizzy wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:39:46 -0400, some stupid top-posting,
>>> >> > nym-shifting troll, currently calling himself MelvinGibson wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >>Art wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>>I always have my flag out. But Bush is still a low IQ liar.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>Only in the eyes of his opponents,
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Wrong again, top poster. Even his supporters know that we were
>>> >> > lied
>>> >> > to about Iraq, but since they are mostly just mindless drones, they
>>> >> > don't seem to care.
>>> >>
>>> >> That's a pretty vaild way of stating the situation.
>>> >>
>>> >> It's clear that Bush knows what he's doing is wrong, yet
>>> >> doesn't care at all. Isn't that even a little disturbing
>>> >> to his followers?
>>> >
>>> > Ha Ha, Bush got better grades on tougher subjects than Kerry.
>>> > --
>>> >
>>>
>>> How come he didn't earn a higher GPA then?[/color]
>>
>> He did.
>> --
>>[/color]
>
> My mistake then. I had read that they both earned "C" averages.
>[/color]
A real couple of mover and shakers. Unlike Clinton who was a Rhodes Scholar.
I'd like to know how someone gets into an Ivy league college with a SAT of
1200? Wait we already know that answer. To be fair, how a person
does in college doesn't always translate to how well they do as a leader.
Reagan wasn't considered an intellectual by any means, but he had leadership
qualities and a real gift for communicating, while Carter was extremely
intelligent and educated, but not the greatest of leaders (IMO).
Of course Bush has yet to show any of those qualities to offset his mediocre
IQ.


 
Old 07-05-2005, 06:38 PM   #52 (permalink)
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In article <1120605311.88b2bfa99a1915adf3b8a3ec21eb1a0e@teranews>,
"ToMh" <Teelhumm@hotm.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Truckdude" <EDuhbyuh@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:x7Eye.14244$H64.5743@trnddc07...[color=green]
> >
> > "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
> > news:ntspam-DE87BE.17224005072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=darkred]
> >> In article <5vDye.740$VN3.710@trnddc01>, "Truckdude" <EDuhbyuh@cox.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
> >>> news:ntspam-5E597E.16340905072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >>> > In article <imrye.3894$8f7.2100@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> >>> > Joseph Oberlander <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> dizzy wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:39:46 -0400, some stupid top-posting,
> >>> >> > nym-shifting troll, currently calling himself MelvinGibson wrote:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >>Art wrote:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>>I always have my flag out. But Bush is still a low IQ liar.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>Only in the eyes of his opponents,
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Wrong again, top poster. Even his supporters know that we were
> >>> >> > lied
> >>> >> > to about Iraq, but since they are mostly just mindless drones, they
> >>> >> > don't seem to care.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> That's a pretty vaild way of stating the situation.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> It's clear that Bush knows what he's doing is wrong, yet
> >>> >> doesn't care at all. Isn't that even a little disturbing
> >>> >> to his followers?
> >>> >
> >>> > Ha Ha, Bush got better grades on tougher subjects than Kerry.
> >>> > --
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> How come he didn't earn a higher GPA then?
> >>
> >> He did.
> >> --
> >>[/color]
> >
> > My mistake then. I had read that they both earned "C" averages.
> >[/color]
> A real couple of mover and shakers. Unlike Clinton who was a Rhodes Scholar.
> I'd like to know how someone gets into an Ivy league college with a SAT of
> 1200? Wait we already know that answer. To be fair, how a person
> does in college doesn't always translate to how well they do as a leader.
> Reagan wasn't considered an intellectual by any means, but he had leadership
> qualities and a real gift for communicating, while Carter was extremely
> intelligent and educated, but not the greatest of leaders (IMO).
> Of course Bush has yet to show any of those qualities to offset his mediocre
> IQ.[/color]

What is his IQ?
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Old 07-05-2005, 07:03 PM   #53 (permalink)
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"Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
news:ntspam-C7A739.18385905072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=blue]
> In article <1120605311.88b2bfa99a1915adf3b8a3ec21eb1a0e@teranews>,
> "ToMh" <Teelhumm@hotm.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "Truckdude" <EDuhbyuh@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:x7Eye.14244$H64.5743@trnddc07...[color=darkred]
>> >
>> > "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
>> > news:ntspam-DE87BE.17224005072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >> In article <5vDye.740$VN3.710@trnddc01>, "Truckdude"
>> >> <EDuhbyuh@cox.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
>> >>> news:ntspam-5E597E.16340905072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >>> > In article <imrye.3894$8f7.2100@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
>> >>> > Joseph Oberlander <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> dizzy wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:39:46 -0400, some stupid top-posting,
>> >>> >> > nym-shifting troll, currently calling himself MelvinGibson
>> >>> >> > wrote:
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >>Art wrote:
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >>>I always have my flag out. But Bush is still a low IQ liar.
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >>Only in the eyes of his opponents,
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Wrong again, top poster. Even his supporters know that we were
>> >>> >> > lied
>> >>> >> > to about Iraq, but since they are mostly just mindless drones,
>> >>> >> > they
>> >>> >> > don't seem to care.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> That's a pretty vaild way of stating the situation.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> It's clear that Bush knows what he's doing is wrong, yet
>> >>> >> doesn't care at all. Isn't that even a little disturbing
>> >>> >> to his followers?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Ha Ha, Bush got better grades on tougher subjects than Kerry.
>> >>> > --
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> How come he didn't earn a higher GPA then?
>> >>
>> >> He did.
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >
>> > My mistake then. I had read that they both earned "C" averages.
>> >[/color]
>> A real couple of mover and shakers. Unlike Clinton who was a Rhodes
>> Scholar.
>> I'd like to know how someone gets into an Ivy league college with a SAT
>> of
>> 1200? Wait we already know that answer. To be fair, how a person
>> does in college doesn't always translate to how well they do as a leader.
>> Reagan wasn't considered an intellectual by any means, but he had
>> leadership
>> qualities and a real gift for communicating, while Carter was extremely
>> intelligent and educated, but not the greatest of leaders (IMO).
>> Of course Bush has yet to show any of those qualities to offset his
>> mediocre
>> IQ.[/color]
>
> What is his IQ?
> --
>[/color]

That's a deeply guarded secret, as all documents have been destroyed and
any one who had that knowledge has either disappeared, given a job with the
administration or had a nasty tell all book written about them.


 
Old 07-05-2005, 07:34 PM   #54 (permalink)
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In article <1120608248.df8ce909fcaa2cef1cea102a68d1b2e8@teranews>,
"ToMh" <Teelhumm@hotm.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
> news:ntspam-C7A739.18385905072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=green]
> > In article <1120605311.88b2bfa99a1915adf3b8a3ec21eb1a0e@teranews>,
> > "ToMh" <Teelhumm@hotm.com> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> "Truckdude" <EDuhbyuh@cox.net> wrote in message
> >> news:x7Eye.14244$H64.5743@trnddc07...
> >> >
> >> > "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
> >> > news:ntspam-DE87BE.17224005072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> >> In article <5vDye.740$VN3.710@trnddc01>, "Truckdude"
> >> >> <EDuhbyuh@cox.net>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
> >> >>> news:ntspam-5E597E.16340905072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> >>> > In article <imrye.3894$8f7.2100@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> >> >>> > Joseph Oberlander <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >> dizzy wrote:
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:39:46 -0400, some stupid top-posting,
> >> >>> >> > nym-shifting troll, currently calling himself MelvinGibson
> >> >>> >> > wrote:
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> >>Art wrote:
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >>>I always have my flag out. But Bush is still a low IQ liar.
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >>Only in the eyes of his opponents,
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> > Wrong again, top poster. Even his supporters know that we were
> >> >>> >> > lied
> >> >>> >> > to about Iraq, but since they are mostly just mindless drones,
> >> >>> >> > they
> >> >>> >> > don't seem to care.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> That's a pretty vaild way of stating the situation.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> It's clear that Bush knows what he's doing is wrong, yet
> >> >>> >> doesn't care at all. Isn't that even a little disturbing
> >> >>> >> to his followers?
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Ha Ha, Bush got better grades on tougher subjects than Kerry.
> >> >>> > --
> >> >>> >
> >> >>>
> >> >>> How come he didn't earn a higher GPA then?
> >> >>
> >> >> He did.
> >> >> --
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > My mistake then. I had read that they both earned "C" averages.
> >> >
> >> A real couple of mover and shakers. Unlike Clinton who was a Rhodes
> >> Scholar.
> >> I'd like to know how someone gets into an Ivy league college with a SAT
> >> of
> >> 1200? Wait we already know that answer. To be fair, how a person
> >> does in college doesn't always translate to how well they do as a leader.
> >> Reagan wasn't considered an intellectual by any means, but he had
> >> leadership
> >> qualities and a real gift for communicating, while Carter was extremely
> >> intelligent and educated, but not the greatest of leaders (IMO).
> >> Of course Bush has yet to show any of those qualities to offset his
> >> mediocre
> >> IQ.[/color]
> >
> > What is his IQ?
> > --
> >[/color]
>
> That's a deeply guarded secret, as all documents have been destroyed and
> any one who had that knowledge has either disappeared, given a job with the
> administration or had a nasty tell all book written about them.[/color]

How then do you know it was mediocre?
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Old 07-05-2005, 08:14 PM   #55 (permalink)
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"Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
news:ntspam-2B3043.19344305072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=blue]
> In article <1120608248.df8ce909fcaa2cef1cea102a68d1b2e8@teranews>,
> "ToMh" <Teelhumm@hotm.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
>> news:ntspam-C7A739.18385905072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=darkred]
>> > In article <1120605311.88b2bfa99a1915adf3b8a3ec21eb1a0e@teranews>,
>> > "ToMh" <Teelhumm@hotm.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Truckdude" <EDuhbyuh@cox.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:x7Eye.14244$H64.5743@trnddc07...
>> >> >
>> >> > "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
>> >> > news:ntspam-DE87BE.17224005072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >> >> In article <5vDye.740$VN3.710@trnddc01>, "Truckdude"
>> >> >> <EDuhbyuh@cox.net>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
>> >> >>> news:ntspam-5E597E.16340905072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >> >>> > In article
>> >> >>> > <imrye.3894$8f7.2100@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
>> >> >>> > Joseph Oberlander <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >> dizzy wrote:
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:39:46 -0400, some stupid top-posting,
>> >> >>> >> > nym-shifting troll, currently calling himself MelvinGibson
>> >> >>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >>Art wrote:
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >>>I always have my flag out. But Bush is still a low IQ liar.
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >>Only in the eyes of his opponents,
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> > Wrong again, top poster. Even his supporters know that we
>> >> >>> >> > were
>> >> >>> >> > lied
>> >> >>> >> > to about Iraq, but since they are mostly just mindless
>> >> >>> >> > drones,
>> >> >>> >> > they
>> >> >>> >> > don't seem to care.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> That's a pretty vaild way of stating the situation.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> It's clear that Bush knows what he's doing is wrong, yet
>> >> >>> >> doesn't care at all. Isn't that even a little disturbing
>> >> >>> >> to his followers?
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Ha Ha, Bush got better grades on tougher subjects than Kerry.
>> >> >>> > --
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> How come he didn't earn a higher GPA then?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> He did.
>> >> >> --
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > My mistake then. I had read that they both earned "C" averages.
>> >> >
>> >> A real couple of mover and shakers. Unlike Clinton who was a Rhodes
>> >> Scholar.
>> >> I'd like to know how someone gets into an Ivy league college with a
>> >> SAT
>> >> of
>> >> 1200? Wait we already know that answer. To be fair, how a person
>> >> does in college doesn't always translate to how well they do as a
>> >> leader.
>> >> Reagan wasn't considered an intellectual by any means, but he had
>> >> leadership
>> >> qualities and a real gift for communicating, while Carter was
>> >> extremely
>> >> intelligent and educated, but not the greatest of leaders (IMO).
>> >> Of course Bush has yet to show any of those qualities to offset his
>> >> mediocre
>> >> IQ.
>> >
>> > What is his IQ?
>> > --
>> >[/color]
>>
>> That's a deeply guarded secret, as all documents have been destroyed and
>> any one who had that knowledge has either disappeared, given a job with
>> the
>> administration or had a nasty tell all book written about them.[/color]
>
> How then do you know it was mediocre?
> --
>[/color]

You ever hear Bush speak or answer a question? Give a listen sometime, then
ask yourself the question again.


 
Old 07-05-2005, 11:04 PM   #56 (permalink)
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On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 01:14:12 GMT, "Truckdude" <EDuhbyuh@cox.net>
wrote:[color=blue]
>"Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
>news:ntspam-2B3043.19344305072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> How then do you know it was mediocre?[/color]
>
>You ever hear Bush speak or answer a question? Give a listen sometime, then
>ask yourself the question again.[/color]

I usually hit "Ignore Thread" and bail out of these OT-fests long
before this point, but...

George W Bush is NOT stupid. He's a horrible public speaker, and he
has a hard time expressing himself eloquently using a pre-written
speech in someone else's words, especially if it's a carefully crafted
pile of $50 legalese and diplomat-speak words.

If there was such a thing as a blend of 'Clockwork Orange' shock
therapy and Toastmasters (where you have a really good incentive for
your public speaking to get better, fast) I'd sign GWB up for it. ;-)

But he has a good grasp of what's going on, and if given half a
chance can express it plainly and clearly.

"Slick Willy" Clinton was a great public speaker, so smooth he could
talk the mukluks off an Eskimo, and see where that got us? Parsing an
earlier statement to try to get around it by dissecting "what the
meaning of the word 'is' is."

And Nixon before him was also a great public speaker, at least at
first. He managed to talk himself back from the brink of disaster
several times, like the "Checkers Speech". And he eventually ended up
going off the morals and virtues deep end, too. (Though his problem
was paranoia, not lust.)

Judging from that, I don't want to pick a leader based on public
speaking skills alone. We've gotten bad results on both sides.

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Old 07-06-2005, 02:57 AM   #57 (permalink)
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In article <EfGye.3998$3Y3.2175@trnddc09>,
"Truckdude" <EDuhbyuh@cox.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
> news:ntspam-2B3043.19344305072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=green]
> > In article <1120608248.df8ce909fcaa2cef1cea102a68d1b2e8@teranews>,
> > "ToMh" <Teelhumm@hotm.com> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
> >> news:ntspam-C7A739.18385905072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> > In article <1120605311.88b2bfa99a1915adf3b8a3ec21eb1a0e@teranews>,
> >> > "ToMh" <Teelhumm@hotm.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Truckdude" <EDuhbyuh@cox.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:x7Eye.14244$H64.5743@trnddc07...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:ntspam-DE87BE.17224005072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> >> >> In article <5vDye.740$VN3.710@trnddc01>, "Truckdude"
> >> >> >> <EDuhbyuh@cox.net>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
> >> >> >>> news:ntspam-5E597E.16340905072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> >> >>> > In article
> >> >> >>> > <imrye.3894$8f7.2100@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> >> >> >>> > Joseph Oberlander <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >> dizzy wrote:
> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >>> >> > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:39:46 -0400, some stupid top-posting,
> >> >> >>> >> > nym-shifting troll, currently calling himself MelvinGibson
> >> >> >>> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>> >> >
> >> >> >>> >> >
> >> >> >>> >> >>Art wrote:
> >> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >> >>> >> >>>I always have my flag out. But Bush is still a low IQ liar.
> >> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >> >>> >> >>Only in the eyes of his opponents,
> >> >> >>> >> >
> >> >> >>> >> >
> >> >> >>> >> > Wrong again, top poster. Even his supporters know that we
> >> >> >>> >> > were
> >> >> >>> >> > lied
> >> >> >>> >> > to about Iraq, but since they are mostly just mindless
> >> >> >>> >> > drones,
> >> >> >>> >> > they
> >> >> >>> >> > don't seem to care.
> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >>> >> That's a pretty vaild way of stating the situation.
> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >>> >> It's clear that Bush knows what he's doing is wrong, yet
> >> >> >>> >> doesn't care at all. Isn't that even a little disturbing
> >> >> >>> >> to his followers?
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> > Ha Ha, Bush got better grades on tougher subjects than Kerry.
> >> >> >>> > --
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> How come he didn't earn a higher GPA then?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> He did.
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > My mistake then. I had read that they both earned "C" averages.
> >> >> >
> >> >> A real couple of mover and shakers. Unlike Clinton who was a Rhodes
> >> >> Scholar.
> >> >> I'd like to know how someone gets into an Ivy league college with a
> >> >> SAT
> >> >> of
> >> >> 1200? Wait we already know that answer. To be fair, how a person
> >> >> does in college doesn't always translate to how well they do as a
> >> >> leader.
> >> >> Reagan wasn't considered an intellectual by any means, but he had
> >> >> leadership
> >> >> qualities and a real gift for communicating, while Carter was
> >> >> extremely
> >> >> intelligent and educated, but not the greatest of leaders (IMO).
> >> >> Of course Bush has yet to show any of those qualities to offset his
> >> >> mediocre
> >> >> IQ.
> >> >
> >> > What is his IQ?
> >> > --
> >> >
> >>
> >> That's a deeply guarded secret, as all documents have been destroyed and
> >> any one who had that knowledge has either disappeared, given a job with
> >> the
> >> administration or had a nasty tell all book written about them.[/color]
> >
> > How then do you know it was mediocre?
> > --
> >[/color]
>
> You ever hear Bush speak or answer a question? Give a listen sometime, then
> ask yourself the question again.[/color]

I guess I don't judge people about their IQ based on how they form
words.
--

 
Old 07-06-2005, 09:00 AM   #58 (permalink)
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"Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
news:ntspam-3B3944.02574906072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=blue]
> In article <EfGye.3998$3Y3.2175@trnddc09>,
> "Truckdude" <EDuhbyuh@cox.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
>> news:ntspam-2B3043.19344305072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=darkred]
>> > In article <1120608248.df8ce909fcaa2cef1cea102a68d1b2e8@teranews>,
>> > "ToMh" <Teelhumm@hotm.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
>> >> news:ntspam-C7A739.18385905072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >> > In article <1120605311.88b2bfa99a1915adf3b8a3ec21eb1a0e@teranews>,
>> >> > "ToMh" <Teelhumm@hotm.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Truckdude" <EDuhbyuh@cox.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:x7Eye.14244$H64.5743@trnddc07...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:ntspam-DE87BE.17224005072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >> >> >> In article <5vDye.740$VN3.710@trnddc01>, "Truckdude"
>> >> >> >> <EDuhbyuh@cox.net>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>> news:ntspam-5E597E.16340905072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >> >> >>> > In article
>> >> >> >>> > <imrye.3894$8f7.2100@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
>> >> >> >>> > Joseph Oberlander <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> >> dizzy wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:39:46 -0400, some stupid
>> >> >> >>> >> > top-posting,
>> >> >> >>> >> > nym-shifting troll, currently calling himself MelvinGibson
>> >> >> >>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >> >>> >> >>Art wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> >>>I always have my flag out. But Bush is still a low IQ
>> >> >> >>> >> >>>liar.
>> >> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> >>Only in the eyes of his opponents,
>> >> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >> >>> >> > Wrong again, top poster. Even his supporters know that we
>> >> >> >>> >> > were
>> >> >> >>> >> > lied
>> >> >> >>> >> > to about Iraq, but since they are mostly just mindless
>> >> >> >>> >> > drones,
>> >> >> >>> >> > they
>> >> >> >>> >> > don't seem to care.
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> That's a pretty vaild way of stating the situation.
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> It's clear that Bush knows what he's doing is wrong, yet
>> >> >> >>> >> doesn't care at all. Isn't that even a little disturbing
>> >> >> >>> >> to his followers?
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> > Ha Ha, Bush got better grades on tougher subjects than Kerry.
>> >> >> >>> > --
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> How come he didn't earn a higher GPA then?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> He did.
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > My mistake then. I had read that they both earned "C" averages.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> A real couple of mover and shakers. Unlike Clinton who was a Rhodes
>> >> >> Scholar.
>> >> >> I'd like to know how someone gets into an Ivy league college with a
>> >> >> SAT
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> 1200? Wait we already know that answer. To be fair, how a person
>> >> >> does in college doesn't always translate to how well they do as a
>> >> >> leader.
>> >> >> Reagan wasn't considered an intellectual by any means, but he had
>> >> >> leadership
>> >> >> qualities and a real gift for communicating, while Carter was
>> >> >> extremely
>> >> >> intelligent and educated, but not the greatest of leaders (IMO).
>> >> >> Of course Bush has yet to show any of those qualities to offset his
>> >> >> mediocre
>> >> >> IQ.
>> >> >
>> >> > What is his IQ?
>> >> > --
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> That's a deeply guarded secret, as all documents have been destroyed
>> >> and
>> >> any one who had that knowledge has either disappeared, given a job
>> >> with
>> >> the
>> >> administration or had a nasty tell all book written about them.
>> >
>> > How then do you know it was mediocre?
>> > --
>> >[/color]
>>
>> You ever hear Bush speak or answer a question? Give a listen sometime,
>> then
>> ask yourself the question again.[/color]
>
> I guess I don't judge people about their IQ based on how they form
> words.
> --
>[/color]

Sure you don't...denial isn't just a river in Egypt. lol


 
Old 07-06-2005, 09:12 AM   #59 (permalink)
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In article <fuRye.4039$3Y3.1407@trnddc09>,
"Truckdude" <EDuhbyuh@cox.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
> news:ntspam-3B3944.02574906072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=green]
> > In article <EfGye.3998$3Y3.2175@trnddc09>,
> > "Truckdude" <EDuhbyuh@cox.net> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
> >> news:ntspam-2B3043.19344305072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> > In article <1120608248.df8ce909fcaa2cef1cea102a68d1b2e8@teranews>,
> >> > "ToMh" <Teelhumm@hotm.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
> >> >> news:ntspam-C7A739.18385905072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> >> > In article <1120605311.88b2bfa99a1915adf3b8a3ec21eb1a0e@teranews>,
> >> >> > "ToMh" <Teelhumm@hotm.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "Truckdude" <EDuhbyuh@cox.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:x7Eye.14244$H64.5743@trnddc07...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > news:ntspam-DE87BE.17224005072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> >> >> >> In article <5vDye.740$VN3.710@trnddc01>, "Truckdude"
> >> >> >> >> <EDuhbyuh@cox.net>
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>> "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>> news:ntspam-5E597E.16340905072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> >> >> >>> > In article
> >> >> >> >>> > <imrye.3894$8f7.2100@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> >> >> >> >>> > Joseph Oberlander <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >> >>> >> dizzy wrote:
> >> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >> >>> >> > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:39:46 -0400, some stupid
> >> >> >> >>> >> > top-posting,
> >> >> >> >>> >> > nym-shifting troll, currently calling himself MelvinGibson
> >> >> >> >>> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >> >>> >> >
> >> >> >> >>> >> >
> >> >> >> >>> >> >>Art wrote:
> >> >> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>> >> >>>I always have my flag out. But Bush is still a low IQ
> >> >> >> >>> >> >>>liar.
> >> >> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>> >> >>Only in the eyes of his opponents,
> >> >> >> >>> >> >
> >> >> >> >>> >> >
> >> >> >> >>> >> > Wrong again, top poster. Even his supporters know that we
> >> >> >> >>> >> > were
> >> >> >> >>> >> > lied
> >> >> >> >>> >> > to about Iraq, but since they are mostly just mindless
> >> >> >> >>> >> > drones,
> >> >> >> >>> >> > they
> >> >> >> >>> >> > don't seem to care.
> >> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >> >>> >> That's a pretty vaild way of stating the situation.
> >> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >> >>> >> It's clear that Bush knows what he's doing is wrong, yet
> >> >> >> >>> >> doesn't care at all. Isn't that even a little disturbing
> >> >> >> >>> >> to his followers?
> >> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >> >>> > Ha Ha, Bush got better grades on tougher subjects than Kerry.
> >> >> >> >>> > --
> >> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> How come he didn't earn a higher GPA then?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> He did.
> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > My mistake then. I had read that they both earned "C" averages.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> A real couple of mover and shakers. Unlike Clinton who was a Rhodes
> >> >> >> Scholar.
> >> >> >> I'd like to know how someone gets into an Ivy league college with a
> >> >> >> SAT
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> 1200? Wait we already know that answer. To be fair, how a person
> >> >> >> does in college doesn't always translate to how well they do as a
> >> >> >> leader.
> >> >> >> Reagan wasn't considered an intellectual by any means, but he had
> >> >> >> leadership
> >> >> >> qualities and a real gift for communicating, while Carter was
> >> >> >> extremely
> >> >> >> intelligent and educated, but not the greatest of leaders (IMO).
> >> >> >> Of course Bush has yet to show any of those qualities to offset his
> >> >> >> mediocre
> >> >> >> IQ.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What is his IQ?
> >> >> > --
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> That's a deeply guarded secret, as all documents have been destroyed
> >> >> and
> >> >> any one who had that knowledge has either disappeared, given a job
> >> >> with
> >> >> the
> >> >> administration or had a nasty tell all book written about them.
> >> >
> >> > How then do you know it was mediocre?
> >> > --
> >> >
> >>
> >> You ever hear Bush speak or answer a question? Give a listen sometime,
> >> then
> >> ask yourself the question again.[/color]
> >
> > I guess I don't judge people about their IQ based on how they form
> > words.
> > --
> >[/color]
>
> Sure you don't...denial isn't just a river in Egypt. lol[/color]

So you do? Do you judge people by their color too?
--

 
Old 07-06-2005, 11:40 AM   #60 (permalink)
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"Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
news:ntspam-3F0FE5.09124706072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=blue]
> In article <fuRye.4039$3Y3.1407@trnddc09>,
> "Truckdude" <EDuhbyuh@cox.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
>> news:ntspam-3B3944.02574906072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=darkred]
>> > In article <EfGye.3998$3Y3.2175@trnddc09>,
>> > "Truckdude" <EDuhbyuh@cox.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
>> >> news:ntspam-2B3043.19344305072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >> > In article <1120608248.df8ce909fcaa2cef1cea102a68d1b2e8@teranews>,
>> >> > "ToMh" <Teelhumm@hotm.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:ntspam-C7A739.18385905072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >> >> > In article
>> >> >> > <1120605311.88b2bfa99a1915adf3b8a3ec21eb1a0e@teranews>,
>> >> >> > "ToMh" <Teelhumm@hotm.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> "Truckdude" <EDuhbyuh@cox.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:x7Eye.14244$H64.5743@trnddc07...
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> > news:ntspam-DE87BE.17224005072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >> >> >> >> In article <5vDye.740$VN3.710@trnddc01>, "Truckdude"
>> >> >> >> >> <EDuhbyuh@cox.net>
>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>> "Dbu_^" <ntspam@spc.om> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >>> news:ntspam-5E597E.16340905072005@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >> >> >> >>> > In article
>> >> >> >> >>> > <imrye.3894$8f7.2100@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
>> >> >> >> >>> > Joseph Oberlander <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >> >>> >> dizzy wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >> >>> >> > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:39:46 -0400, some stupid
>> >> >> >> >>> >> > top-posting,
>> >> >> >> >>> >> > nym-shifting troll, currently calling himself
>> >> >> >> >>> >> > MelvinGibson
>> >> >> >> >>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>> >> >>Art wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>> >> >>>I always have my flag out. But Bush is still a low IQ
>> >> >> >> >>> >> >>>liar.
>> >> >> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>> >> >>Only in the eyes of his opponents,
>> >> >> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>> >> > Wrong again, top poster. Even his supporters know that
>> >> >> >> >>> >> > we
>> >> >> >> >>> >> > were
>> >> >> >> >>> >> > lied
>> >> >> >> >>> >> > to about Iraq, but since they are mostly just mindless
>> >> >> >> >>> >> > drones,
>> >> >> >> >>> >> > they
>> >> >> >> >>> >> > don't seem to care.
>> >> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >> >>> >> That's a pretty vaild way of stating the situation.
>> >> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >> >>> >> It's clear that Bush knows what he's doing is wrong, yet
>> >> >> >> >>> >> doesn't care at all. Isn't that even a little disturbing
>> >> >> >> >>> >> to his followers?
>> >> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >> >>> > Ha Ha, Bush got better grades on tougher subjects than
>> >> >> >> >>> > Kerry.
>> >> >> >> >>> > --
>> >> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> How come he didn't earn a higher GPA then?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> He did.
>> >> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > My mistake then. I had read that they both earned "C"
>> >> >> >> > averages.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> A real couple of mover and shakers. Unlike Clinton who was a
>> >> >> >> Rhodes
>> >> >> >> Scholar.
>> >> >> >> I'd like to know how someone gets into an Ivy league college
>> >> >> >> with a
>> >> >> >> SAT
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> 1200? Wait we already know that answer. To be fair, how a
>> >> >> >> person
>> >> >> >> does in college doesn't always translate to how well they do as
>> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> leader.
>> >> >> >> Reagan wasn't considered an intellectual by any means, but he
>> >> >> >> had
>> >> >> >> leadership
>> >> >> >> qualities and a real gift for communicating, while Carter was
>> >> >> >> extremely
>> >> >> >> intelligent and educated, but not the greatest of leaders (IMO).
>> >> >> >> Of course Bush has yet to show any of those qualities to offset
>> >> >> >> his
>> >> >> >> mediocre
>> >> >> >> IQ.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > What is his IQ?
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That's a deeply guarded secret, as all documents have been
>> >> >> destroyed
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> any one who had that knowledge has either disappeared, given a job
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> administration or had a nasty tell all book written about them.
>> >> >
>> >> > How then do you know it was mediocre?
>> >> > --
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> You ever hear Bush speak or answer a question? Give a listen
>> >> sometime,
>> >> then
>> >> ask yourself the question again.
>> >
>> > I guess I don't judge people about their IQ based on how they form
>> > words.
>> > --
>> >[/color]
>>
>> Sure you don't...denial isn't just a river in Egypt. lol[/color]
>
> So you do? Do you judge people by their color too?
> --
>[/color]

Color? No. Mannerisms, speech, dress, attitude, body language? Of course.


 
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