2000 Echo paint

As some of you know, my son was driving my 2000 Echo, when he was struck from
behind. You may also know that the initial paint jobs on Echoes sucked like
Linda Lovelace on crack.

The repair guys say the car is fixed, but still needs to be painted. With
the heavy rains we've been getting, they say they can't paint it now, and may
be able to by next Wednesday. Hubby is getting *so* frustrated about being
stuck here longer than anticipated, but so far there's nothing we can do. I
even asked State Farm (The other guy's insurance) to prod the collision shop,
but no dice.

What I wonder is how they can possibly match the now-faded color of 5 years
ago, without making the car looking like shit?

Also, I can't see why they don't have a facility that allows proper
ventilation while painting the damned car?! You would think they'd have a
filtered area that safely allows for painting, while keeping the area itself
as dry as possible.

Thoughts?

Natalie

--





[url]http://www.dwarfstar.net[/url] - the best internet relay chat network ever!

"Wicked little doll, you are not human,
Wicked little doll, you have no soul."
(David Byrne, 1997)

"Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:42c603ee$0$27589$636a15ce@news.free.fr...[color=blue]
> As some of you know, my son was driving my 2000 Echo, when he was struck
> from behind. You may also know that the initial paint jobs on Echoes
> sucked like Linda Lovelace on crack.
>
> The repair guys say the car is fixed, but still needs to be painted. With
> the heavy rains we've been getting, they say they can't paint it now, and
> may be able to by next Wednesday. Hubby is getting *so* frustrated about
> being stuck here longer than anticipated, but so far there's nothing we
> can do. I even asked State Farm (The other guy's insurance) to prod the
> collision shop, but no dice.
>
> What I wonder is how they can possibly match the now-faded color of 5
> years ago, without making the car looking like shit?
>
> Also, I can't see why they don't have a facility that allows proper
> ventilation while painting the damned car?! You would think they'd have a
> filtered area that safely allows for painting, while keeping the area
> itself as dry as possible.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Natalie
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>
> [url]http://www.dwarfstar.net[/url] - the best internet relay chat network ever!
>
> "Wicked little doll, you are not human,
> Wicked little doll, you have no soul."
> (David Byrne, 1997)
>[/color]
What are they doing, painting it outside or something? Watch an episode of
Overhauling some time. They get the whole job, including painting, done in
7 days. 'Course that is in California. (BTW, can we sell the Hollywood
Liberal Left Loonies back to Mexico. 'Course they'd probably make us pay
them to take them off our hands.)

Charles of Kankakee

Could be because of humidity it won't dry correctly. And it will look like
crap when they are done in any case because the color won't match.


"Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:42c603ee$0$27589$636a15ce@news.free.fr...[color=blue]
> As some of you know, my son was driving my 2000 Echo, when he was struck
> from behind. You may also know that the initial paint jobs on Echoes
> sucked like Linda Lovelace on crack.
>
> The repair guys say the car is fixed, but still needs to be painted. With
> the heavy rains we've been getting, they say they can't paint it now, and
> may be able to by next Wednesday. Hubby is getting *so* frustrated about
> being stuck here longer than anticipated, but so far there's nothing we
> can do. I even asked State Farm (The other guy's insurance) to prod the
> collision shop, but no dice.
>
> What I wonder is how they can possibly match the now-faded color of 5
> years ago, without making the car looking like shit?
>
> Also, I can't see why they don't have a facility that allows proper
> ventilation while painting the damned car?! You would think they'd have a
> filtered area that safely allows for painting, while keeping the area
> itself as dry as possible.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Natalie
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>
> [url]http://www.dwarfstar.net[/url] - the best internet relay chat network ever!
>
> "Wicked little doll, you are not human,
> Wicked little doll, you have no soul."
> (David Byrne, 1997)
>[/color]

"Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:42c603ee$0$27589$636a15ce@news.free.fr...[color=blue]
> As some of you know, my son was driving my 2000 Echo, when he was struck
> from behind. You may also know that the initial paint jobs on Echoes
> sucked like Linda Lovelace on crack.[/color]

I wouldn't know...
[color=blue]
>
> The repair guys say the car is fixed, but still needs to be painted. With
> the heavy rains we've been getting, they say they can't paint it now, and
> may be able to by next Wednesday. Hubby is getting *so* frustrated about
> being stuck here longer than anticipated, but so far there's nothing we
> can do. I even asked State Farm (The other guy's insurance) to prod the
> collision shop, but no dice.
>
> What I wonder is how they can possibly match the now-faded color of 5
> years ago, without making the car looking like shit?
>[/color]

If the body shop is any good, they will have a scanner to scan the existing
paint.

If they do not have a scanner, then they (should ) do test shots, adjusting
the tint until it matches.
[color=blue]
> Also, I can't see why they don't have a facility that allows proper
> ventilation while painting the damned car?! You would think they'd have a
> filtered area that safely allows for painting, while keeping the area
> itself as dry as possible.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Natalie
>
> --
>[/color]

The facility would basically have to be air-conditioned or at least
de-humidified in order to do a proper paint job in high humidity conditions.
Otherwise, there is the possibility of (a) trapping moisture under the paint
which could cause rust or keep the paint from adhering properly and (b) the
paint not drying properly, causing a poor finish.
--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply

"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:rMoxe.16127$eM6.4608@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> Could be because of humidity it won't dry correctly. And it will look like
> crap when they are done in any case because the color won't match.[/color]

So it's not common that they have a low-moisture facility, considering the
fact that Florida is the most humid, sticky state in the US? That seems
asinine to me, but the other guy's insurance agent says they've been getting
lots of complaints about rain delays. *sigh* I just have a feeling we'll
have to leave the Echo here and go to North Carolina, then come back for the
damned thing.

Natalie[color=blue]
>
>
> "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:42c603ee$0$27589$636a15ce@news.free.fr...[color=green]
>> As some of you know, my son was driving my 2000 Echo, when he was struck
>> from behind. You may also know that the initial paint jobs on Echoes
>> sucked like Linda Lovelace on crack.
>>
>> The repair guys say the car is fixed, but still needs to be painted. With
>> the heavy rains we've been getting, they say they can't paint it now, and
>> may be able to by next Wednesday. Hubby is getting *so* frustrated about
>> being stuck here longer than anticipated, but so far there's nothing we
>> can do. I even asked State Farm (The other guy's insurance) to prod the
>> collision shop, but no dice.
>>
>> What I wonder is how they can possibly match the now-faded color of 5
>> years ago, without making the car looking like shit?
>>
>> Also, I can't see why they don't have a facility that allows proper
>> ventilation while painting the damned car?! You would think they'd have a
>> filtered area that safely allows for painting, while keeping the area
>> itself as dry as possible.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Natalie
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [url]http://www.dwarfstar.net[/url] - the best internet relay chat network ever!
>>
>> "Wicked little doll, you are not human,
>> Wicked little doll, you have no soul."
>> (David Byrne, 1997)
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote in message
news:4Y6dnfFo2Yd-hVvfRVn-og@comcast.com...[color=blue]
>
> "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:42c603ee$0$27589$636a15ce@news.free.fr...[color=green]
>> As some of you know, my son was driving my 2000 Echo, when he was struck
>> from behind. You may also know that the initial paint jobs on Echoes
>> sucked like Linda Lovelace on crack.[/color]
>
> I wouldn't know...
>[/color]
Uh-huh[color=blue][color=green]
>>
>> The repair guys say the car is fixed, but still needs to be painted. With
>> the heavy rains we've been getting, they say they can't paint it now, and
>> may be able to by next Wednesday. Hubby is getting *so* frustrated about
>> being stuck here longer than anticipated, but so far there's nothing we
>> can do. I even asked State Farm (The other guy's insurance) to prod the
>> collision shop, but no dice.
>>
>> What I wonder is how they can possibly match the now-faded color of 5
>> years ago, without making the car looking like shit?
>>[/color]
>
> If the body shop is any good, they will have a scanner to scan the existing
> paint.
>
> If they do not have a scanner, then they (should ) do test shots, adjusting
> the tint until it matches.
>[color=green]
>> Also, I can't see why they don't have a facility that allows proper
>> ventilation while painting the damned car?! You would think they'd have a
>> filtered area that safely allows for painting, while keeping the area
>> itself as dry as possible.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Natalie
>>
>> --
>>[/color]
>
> The facility would basically have to be air-conditioned or at least
> de-humidified in order to do a proper paint job in high humidity
> conditions. Otherwise, there is the possibility of (a) trapping moisture
> under the paint which could cause rust or keep the paint from adhering
> properly and (b) the paint not drying properly, causing a poor finish.
> --
> Ray O[/color]

But that's my point. I can understand not painting it outside, but shouldn't
they have such a bay for this purpose? Seems to be more cost-effective to
avoid pissing off your customers, but perhaps there's no safe way to do that.

Natalie

"Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:duGdna9K-I2pmFvfRVn-hQ@comcast.com...[color=blue]
>
> "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:42c603ee$0$27589$636a15ce@news.free.fr...[color=green]
>> As some of you know, my son was driving my 2000 Echo, when he was struck
>> from behind. You may also know that the initial paint jobs on Echoes
>> sucked like Linda Lovelace on crack.
>>
>> The repair guys say the car is fixed, but still needs to be painted. With
>> the heavy rains we've been getting, they say they can't paint it now, and
>> may be able to by next Wednesday. Hubby is getting *so* frustrated about
>> being stuck here longer than anticipated, but so far there's nothing we
>> can do. I even asked State Farm (The other guy's insurance) to prod the
>> collision shop, but no dice.
>>
>> What I wonder is how they can possibly match the now-faded color of 5
>> years ago, without making the car looking like shit?
>>
>> Also, I can't see why they don't have a facility that allows proper
>> ventilation while painting the damned car?! You would think they'd have a
>> filtered area that safely allows for painting, while keeping the area
>> itself as dry as possible.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Natalie
>>[/color]
> What are they doing, painting it outside or something? Watch an episode of
> Overhauling some time. They get the whole job, including painting, done in
> 7 days. 'Course that is in California.>[/color]
Seven days won't help us -that car has been there since June 10, so if they
had that capability, I'd think it would be done by now.

(BTW, can we sell the Hollywood[color=blue]
> Liberal Left Loonies back to Mexico. 'Course they'd probably make us pay
> them to take them off our hands.)
>
> Charles of Kankakee[/color]

I'm totally amazed at how quickly you guys (Including my friends here) turn
an on-topic post into a political flame thread. I'm only interested in my
car's condition!

:-)

Natalie

On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 12:14:44 -0400, Wickeddoll® wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote in message
> news:4Y6dnfFo2Yd-hVvfRVn-og@comcast.com...[color=green]
>>
>> "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:42c603ee$0$27589$636a15ce@news.free.fr...[color=darkred]
>>> As some of you know, my son was driving my 2000 Echo, when he was
>>> struck from behind. You may also know that the initial paint jobs on
>>> Echoes sucked like Linda Lovelace on crack.[/color]
>>
>> I wouldn't know...
>>[/color]
> Uh-huh[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>
>>> The repair guys say the car is fixed, but still needs to be painted.
>>> With the heavy rains we've been getting, they say they can't paint it
>>> now, and may be able to by next Wednesday. Hubby is getting *so*
>>> frustrated about being stuck here longer than anticipated, but so far
>>> there's nothing we can do. I even asked State Farm (The other guy's
>>> insurance) to prod the collision shop, but no dice.
>>>
>>> What I wonder is how they can possibly match the now-faded color of 5
>>> years ago, without making the car looking like shit?
>>>
>>>[/color]
>> If the body shop is any good, they will have a scanner to scan the
>> existing paint.
>>
>> If they do not have a scanner, then they (should ) do test shots,
>> adjusting the tint until it matches.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Also, I can't see why they don't have a facility that allows proper
>>> ventilation while painting the damned car?! You would think they'd
>>> have a filtered area that safely allows for painting, while keeping the
>>> area itself as dry as possible.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Natalie
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>[/color]
>> The facility would basically have to be air-conditioned or at least
>> de-humidified in order to do a proper paint job in high humidity
>> conditions. Otherwise, there is the possibility of (a) trapping moisture
>> under the paint which could cause rust or keep the paint from adhering
>> properly and (b) the paint not drying properly, causing a poor finish.
>> --
>> Ray O[/color]
>
> But that's my point. I can understand not painting it outside, but
> shouldn't they have such a bay for this purpose? Seems to be more
> cost-effective to avoid pissing off your customers, but perhaps there's no
> safe way to do that.
>
> Natalie[/color]


With a proper spray booth in a climate controlled shop, they should be
able to spray year round. They may have to wait for a day with good
humidity levels, but there are also reducers and hardeners to compensate
for atmospheric conditions.

Either they don't know what they're doing, or, better yet, they DO and
want to make sure the finish is as good as factory...or better!

"Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:42c6bd73$0$25019$626a14ce@news.free.fr...[color=blue]
>
> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote in message
> news:4Y6dnfFo2Yd-hVvfRVn-og@comcast.com...[color=green]
>>
>> "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:42c603ee$0$27589$636a15ce@news.free.fr...[color=darkred]
>>> As some of you know, my son was driving my 2000 Echo, when he was struck
>>> from behind. You may also know that the initial paint jobs on Echoes
>>> sucked like Linda Lovelace on crack.[/color]
>>
>> I wouldn't know...
>>[/color]
> Uh-huh[/color]

Why does everyone think I'm such a degenerate?
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>>
>>> The repair guys say the car is fixed, but still needs to be painted.
>>> With the heavy rains we've been getting, they say they can't paint it
>>> now, and may be able to by next Wednesday. Hubby is getting *so*
>>> frustrated about being stuck here longer than anticipated, but so far
>>> there's nothing we can do. I even asked State Farm (The other guy's
>>> insurance) to prod the collision shop, but no dice.
>>>
>>> What I wonder is how they can possibly match the now-faded color of 5
>>> years ago, without making the car looking like shit?
>>>[/color]
>>
>> If the body shop is any good, they will have a scanner to scan the
>> existing paint.
>>
>> If they do not have a scanner, then they (should ) do test shots,
>> adjusting the tint until it matches.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Also, I can't see why they don't have a facility that allows proper
>>> ventilation while painting the damned car?! You would think they'd have
>>> a filtered area that safely allows for painting, while keeping the area
>>> itself as dry as possible.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Natalie
>>>
>>> --
>>>[/color]
>>
>> The facility would basically have to be air-conditioned or at least
>> de-humidified in order to do a proper paint job in high humidity
>> conditions. Otherwise, there is the possibility of (a) trapping moisture
>> under the paint which could cause rust or keep the paint from adhering
>> properly and (b) the paint not drying properly, causing a poor finish.
>> --
>> Ray O[/color]
>
> But that's my point. I can understand not painting it outside, but
> shouldn't they have such a bay for this purpose? Seems to be more
> cost-effective to avoid pissing off your customers, but perhaps there's no
> safe way to do that.
>
> Natalie[/color]

Ideally, a body shop would be 100% air-conditioned but that adds a big chunk
to capital and operating costs. I would imagine that it would be worth it
in terms of employee productivity and shop productivity but a lot of small
business owners don't think things through all the way.

More often, a body shop will have a paint booth with a filtered air system
to keep dust off the car. The filters do not remove humidity so if the shop
or booth is not air-conditioned, then the problems with humid air still
exist. Some fancier booths also have lights to bake paint.


--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply

In article <pan.2005.07.02.18.33.47.223620@Trueno.GTS>,
hachiroku <ae86@Trueno.GTS> wrote:

[color=blue]
> With a proper spray booth in a climate controlled shop, they should be
> able to spray year round. They may have to wait for a day with good
> humidity levels, but there are also reducers and hardeners to compensate
> for atmospheric conditions.
>
> Either they don't know what they're doing, or, better yet, they DO and
> want to make sure the finish is as good as factory...or better![/color]

The weird thing is, if they are a paint shop, and they can't paint when it
is humid in Florida, how do they make any money??????

Seems like they should have de-humidified room for the spraying, and heat
lamp room for the drying.

Merritt

"Merritt Mullen" <mmullen8014@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:mmullen8014-5B82E9.13291702072005@netnews.asp.att.net...[color=blue]
> In article <pan.2005.07.02.18.33.47.223620@Trueno.GTS>,
> hachiroku <ae86@Trueno.GTS> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>> With a proper spray booth in a climate controlled shop, they should be
>> able to spray year round. They may have to wait for a day with good
>> humidity levels, but there are also reducers and hardeners to compensate
>> for atmospheric conditions.
>>
>> Either they don't know what they're doing, or, better yet, they DO and
>> want to make sure the finish is as good as factory...or better![/color]
>
> The weird thing is, if they are a paint shop, and they can't paint when it
> is humid in Florida, how do they make any money??????
>
> Seems like they should have de-humidified room for the spraying, and heat
> lamp room for the drying.
>
> Merritt[/color]

THANK YOU! That's my thought exactly!

Natalie

"hachiroku" <ae86@Trueno.GTS> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.07.02.18.33.47.223620@Trueno.GTS...[color=blue]
> On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 12:14:44 -0400, Wickeddoll® wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote in message
>> news:4Y6dnfFo2Yd-hVvfRVn-og@comcast.com...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:42c603ee$0$27589$636a15ce@news.free.fr...
>>>> As some of you know, my son was driving my 2000 Echo, when he was
>>>> struck from behind. You may also know that the initial paint jobs on
>>>> Echoes sucked like Linda Lovelace on crack.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't know...
>>>[/color]
>> Uh-huh[color=darkred]
>>>>
>>>> The repair guys say the car is fixed, but still needs to be painted.
>>>> With the heavy rains we've been getting, they say they can't paint it
>>>> now, and may be able to by next Wednesday. Hubby is getting *so*
>>>> frustrated about being stuck here longer than anticipated, but so far
>>>> there's nothing we can do. I even asked State Farm (The other guy's
>>>> insurance) to prod the collision shop, but no dice.
>>>>
>>>> What I wonder is how they can possibly match the now-faded color of 5
>>>> years ago, without making the car looking like shit?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> If the body shop is any good, they will have a scanner to scan the
>>> existing paint.
>>>
>>> If they do not have a scanner, then they (should ) do test shots,
>>> adjusting the tint until it matches.
>>>
>>>> Also, I can't see why they don't have a facility that allows proper
>>>> ventilation while painting the damned car?! You would think they'd
>>>> have a filtered area that safely allows for painting, while keeping the
>>>> area itself as dry as possible.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Natalie
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The facility would basically have to be air-conditioned or at least
>>> de-humidified in order to do a proper paint job in high humidity
>>> conditions. Otherwise, there is the possibility of (a) trapping moisture
>>> under the paint which could cause rust or keep the paint from adhering
>>> properly and (b) the paint not drying properly, causing a poor finish.
>>> --
>>> Ray O[/color]
>>
>> But that's my point. I can understand not painting it outside, but
>> shouldn't they have such a bay for this purpose? Seems to be more
>> cost-effective to avoid pissing off your customers, but perhaps there's no
>> safe way to do that.
>>
>> Natalie[/color]
>
>
> With a proper spray booth in a climate controlled shop, they should be
> able to spray year round. They may have to wait for a day with good
> humidity levels, but there are also reducers and hardeners to compensate
> for atmospheric conditions.
>[/color]

Geeze, you'd think the fact that their shop is in humid Florida would be
enough to invest in proper equipment!
[color=blue]
> Either they don't know what they're doing, or, better yet, they DO and
> want to make sure the finish is as good as factory...or better![/color]

Gee thanks for the optimism there

Natalie

"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote in message
news:4fb66$42c6ea67$180fead6$20304@msgid.meganewsservers.com...[color=blue]
> "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:42c6bd73$0$25019$626a14ce@news.free.fr...[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>> As some of you know, my son was driving my 2000 Echo, when he was struck
>>>> from behind. You may also know that the initial paint jobs on Echoes
>>>> sucked like Linda Lovelace on crack.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't know...
>>>[/color]
>> Uh-huh[/color]
>
> Why does everyone think I'm such a degenerate?[/color]

Shot in the dark here, but probably because they've read your posts?[color=blue]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>>
>>>> The repair guys say the car is fixed, but still needs to be painted.
>>>> With the heavy rains we've been getting, they say they can't paint it
>>>> now, and may be able to by next Wednesday. Hubby is getting *so*
>>>> frustrated about being stuck here longer than anticipated, but so far
>>>> there's nothing we can do. I even asked State Farm (The other guy's
>>>> insurance) to prod the collision shop, but no dice.
>>>>
>>>> What I wonder is how they can possibly match the now-faded color of 5
>>>> years ago, without making the car looking like shit?
>>>>
>>>
>>> If the body shop is any good, they will have a scanner to scan the
>>> existing paint.
>>>
>>> If they do not have a scanner, then they (should ) do test shots,
>>> adjusting the tint until it matches.
>>>
>>>> Also, I can't see why they don't have a facility that allows proper
>>>> ventilation while painting the damned car?! You would think they'd have
>>>> a filtered area that safely allows for painting, while keeping the area
>>>> itself as dry as possible.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Natalie
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>
>>> The facility would basically have to be air-conditioned or at least
>>> de-humidified in order to do a proper paint job in high humidity
>>> conditions. Otherwise, there is the possibility of (a) trapping moisture
>>> under the paint which could cause rust or keep the paint from adhering
>>> properly and (b) the paint not drying properly, causing a poor finish.
>>> --
>>> Ray O[/color]
>>
>> But that's my point. I can understand not painting it outside, but
>> shouldn't they have such a bay for this purpose? Seems to be more
>> cost-effective to avoid pissing off your customers, but perhaps there's no
>> safe way to do that.
>>
>> Natalie[/color]
>
> Ideally, a body shop would be 100% air-conditioned but that adds a big
> chunk to capital and operating costs. I would imagine that it would be
> worth it in terms of employee productivity and shop productivity but a lot
> of small business owners don't think things through all the way.
>
> More often, a body shop will have a paint booth with a filtered air system
> to keep dust off the car. The filters do not remove humidity so if the
> shop or booth is not air-conditioned, then the problems with humid air
> still exist. Some fancier booths also have lights to bake paint.
>
>
> --
> Ray O[/color]

*shrug*

Natalie

On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 19:22:42 -0400, Wickeddoll® wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> "hachiroku" <ae86@Trueno.GTS> wrote in message
> news:pan.2005.07.02.18.33.47.223620@Trueno.GTS...[color=green]
>> On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 12:14:44 -0400, Wickeddoll® wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4Y6dnfFo2Yd-hVvfRVn-og@comcast.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>> message news:42c603ee$0$27589$636a15ce@news.free.fr...
>>>>> As some of you know, my son was driving my 2000 Echo, when he was
>>>>> struck from behind. You may also know that the initial paint jobs on
>>>>> Echoes sucked like Linda Lovelace on crack.
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't know...
>>>>
>>> Uh-huh
>>>>>
>>>>> The repair guys say the car is fixed, but still needs to be painted.
>>>>> With the heavy rains we've been getting, they say they can't paint it
>>>>> now, and may be able to by next Wednesday. Hubby is getting *so*
>>>>> frustrated about being stuck here longer than anticipated, but so far
>>>>> there's nothing we can do. I even asked State Farm (The other guy's
>>>>> insurance) to prod the collision shop, but no dice.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I wonder is how they can possibly match the now-faded color of 5
>>>>> years ago, without making the car looking like shit?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> If the body shop is any good, they will have a scanner to scan the
>>>> existing paint.
>>>>
>>>> If they do not have a scanner, then they (should ) do test shots,
>>>> adjusting the tint until it matches.
>>>>
>>>>> Also, I can't see why they don't have a facility that allows proper
>>>>> ventilation while painting the damned car?! You would think they'd
>>>>> have a filtered area that safely allows for painting, while keeping
>>>>> the area itself as dry as possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Natalie
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The facility would basically have to be air-conditioned or at least
>>>> de-humidified in order to do a proper paint job in high humidity
>>>> conditions. Otherwise, there is the possibility of (a) trapping
>>>> moisture under the paint which could cause rust or keep the paint from
>>>> adhering properly and (b) the paint not drying properly, causing a
>>>> poor finish. --
>>>> Ray O
>>>
>>> But that's my point. I can understand not painting it outside, but
>>> shouldn't they have such a bay for this purpose? Seems to be more
>>> cost-effective to avoid pissing off your customers, but perhaps there's
>>> no safe way to do that.
>>>
>>> Natalie[/color]
>>
>>
>> With a proper spray booth in a climate controlled shop, they should be
>> able to spray year round. They may have to wait for a day with good
>> humidity levels, but there are also reducers and hardeners to compensate
>> for atmospheric conditions.
>>
>>[/color]
> Geeze, you'd think the fact that their shop is in humid Florida would be
> enough to invest in proper equipment![/color]

You'd think, since they make their living doing work like this in an area
kind of known for the humidity...
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>[color=green]
>> Either they don't know what they're doing, or, better yet, they DO and
>> want to make sure the finish is as good as factory...or better![/color]
>
> Gee thanks for the optimism there[/color]

Well, there are a lot of good painters out there, and then there are
exceptions, both ways! Perhaps you got one of the real good ones! Let us
know!

Where I was before, the boss hired a kid almost right out of trade school/
Whereas before I could tell where the paint work had been done by how POOR
it was, I either COULDN'T tell with this kid, or I could tell because it
was BETTER than factory!

And, he's painting in an old garage, no spray booth, and minumum dust
removal and a small wall fan to control overspray. The kid is a whiz!
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>
> Natalie[/color]

"hachiroku" <ae86@Trueno.GTS> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.07.03.03.11.02.508572@Trueno.GTS...[color=blue]
> On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 19:22:42 -0400, Wickeddoll® wrote:
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>>[/color][/color]
*snip*[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>>>> The facility would basically have to be air-conditioned or at least
>>>>> de-humidified in order to do a proper paint job in high humidity
>>>>> conditions. Otherwise, there is the possibility of (a) trapping
>>>>> moisture under the paint which could cause rust or keep the paint from
>>>>> adhering properly and (b) the paint not drying properly, causing a
>>>>> poor finish. --
>>>>> Ray O
>>>>
>>>> But that's my point. I can understand not painting it outside, but
>>>> shouldn't they have such a bay for this purpose? Seems to be more
>>>> cost-effective to avoid pissing off your customers, but perhaps there's
>>>> no safe way to do that.
>>>>
>>>> Natalie
>>>
>>>
>>> With a proper spray booth in a climate controlled shop, they should be
>>> able to spray year round. They may have to wait for a day with good
>>> humidity levels, but there are also reducers and hardeners to compensate
>>> for atmospheric conditions.
>>>
>>>[/color]
>> Geeze, you'd think the fact that their shop is in humid Florida would be
>> enough to invest in proper equipment![/color]
>
> You'd think, since they make their living doing work like this in an area
> kind of known for the humidity...
>[/color]
Yup[color=blue][color=green]
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Either they don't know what they're doing, or, better yet, they DO and
>>> want to make sure the finish is as good as factory...or better![/color]
>>
>> Gee thanks for the optimism there[/color]
>
> Well, there are a lot of good painters out there, and then there are
> exceptions, both ways! Perhaps you got one of the real good ones! Let us
> know![/color]

Oh, you know I will![color=blue]
>
> Where I was before, the boss hired a kid almost right out of trade school/
> Whereas before I could tell where the paint work had been done by how POOR
> it was, I either COULDN'T tell with this kid, or I could tell because it
> was BETTER than factory!
>
> And, he's painting in an old garage, no spray booth, and minumum dust
> removal and a small wall fan to control overspray. The kid is a whiz![/color]

And doomed to die a painful death later in life. He needs better safety
measures; the cumulative effects of chemical poisoning are devastating.

The real irony in my case is that I was planning to get the Echo painted in
North Carolina anyway, so it'll be back to primer soon.

:-P

Natalie