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Old 07-20-2005, 09:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Re: Torque wrench? (was Stripped oil pan drain hole threads?)

Brian <brian_haskell@hotmail.NoSpam.com> wrote:
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>Oil filter: Hand tight with greasy hands
>Oil drain plug: Hand tight held at center of wrench.[/color]

....aaand as tight as possible plus a half turn...
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Old 07-23-2005, 12:02 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Torque wrench? (was Stripped oil pan drain hole threads?)

Gord Beaman wrote:
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> Brian <brian_haskell@hotmail.NoSpam.com> wrote:
>
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>>Oil filter: Hand tight with greasy hands
>>Oil drain plug: Hand tight held at center of wrench.
>>[/color]
>
> ...aaand as tight as possible plus a half turn...
>[/color]

Look up the torque specs for the oil drain plug and use a good torque
wrench. 'Hand tight" means far different torques depending on if Arnold
is turning wrench or I am attempting to turn it when my carpal tunnel is
complaining.

 
Old 07-23-2005, 01:29 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Torque wrench? (was Stripped oil pan drain hole threads?)

ma_twain <ma_twain@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>Gord Beaman wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Brian <brian_haskell@hotmail.NoSpam.com> wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Oil filter: Hand tight with greasy hands
>>>Oil drain plug: Hand tight held at center of wrench.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> ...aaand as tight as possible plus a half turn...
>>[/color]
>
>Look up the torque specs for the oil drain plug and use a good torque
>wrench. 'Hand tight" means far different torques depending on if Arnold
>is turning wrench or I am attempting to turn it when my carpal tunnel is
>complaining.[/color]

What's this 'wrench' talk when you're describing hand
tight?...hand tight is hand tight, as tight as you can get it
using your....(wait for it now.......) hand!
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the oldest now that I've ever been"
 
Old 07-23-2005, 10:26 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Torque wrench? (was Stripped oil pan drain hole threads?)

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:29:46 GMT, Gord Beaman <gord@islandtelecom.com>
wrote:[color=blue]
>ma_twain <ma_twain@yahoo.com> wrote:[color=green]
>>Gord Beaman wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Brian <brian_haskell@hotmail.NoSpam.com> wrote:[/color][/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>>>Oil filter: Hand tight with greasy hands
>>>>Oil drain plug: Hand tight held at center of wrench.
>>>
>>> ...aaand as tight as possible plus a half turn...[/color]
>>
>>Look up the torque specs for the oil drain plug and use a good torque
>>wrench. 'Hand tight" means far different torques depending on if Arnold
>>is turning wrench or I am attempting to turn it when my carpal tunnel is
>>complaining.[/color]
>
>What's this 'wrench' talk when you're describing hand
>tight?...hand tight is hand tight, as tight as you can get it
>using your....(wait for it now.......) hand![/color]

But that's the whole stupid &^%$()#_ problem!! "Hand tight" is way
too loose of a spec when it really matters. And even when it doesn't.

One person's "hand tight" is another person's "Who put this on here,
a gorilla?" or a third's "it was just about to fall off". ;-P

The hand strength and the leverage access of the person to the
wrench is one huge variable, how far out on the wrench they are
gripping (how much leverage multiplication), and if they are using a
socket and extension, if they're using one hand or two to turn it.

For an oil plug, I'd make my "hand tight" with no more than four or
five inches of leverage on the wrench, or using a socket wrench
one-handed - one finger on the fastener as a guide, and when it stops
turning easily with moderate pressure from two fingers, stop. But I
do stuff like that on a regular basis.

For people who don't turn wrenches regularly, and therefore they
have no practical experience with "How tight is tight enough" on
certain things, they really need to buy and use a good torque wrench
on everything until they get used to how much force is needed - and
always use it for critical items like lug nuts and head bolts.

The Microtork style "Clicker" wrenches (where you dial in the
desired setting in a window) are best, because unlike beam style
torque wrenches they're hard to misinterpret.

--<< Bruce >>--

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Old 07-24-2005, 03:42 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Torque wrench? (was Stripped oil pan drain hole threads?)

Bruce L. Bergman <blPYTHONbergman@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
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>On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:29:46 GMT, Gord Beaman <gord@islandtelecom.com>
>wrote:[color=green]
>>ma_twain <ma_twain@yahoo.com> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>>Gord Beaman wrote:
>>>> Brian <brian_haskell@hotmail.NoSpam.com> wrote:[/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>>>Oil filter: Hand tight with greasy hands
>>>>>Oil drain plug: Hand tight held at center of wrench.
>>>>
>>>> ...aaand as tight as possible plus a half turn...
>>>
>>>Look up the torque specs for the oil drain plug and use a good torque
>>>wrench. 'Hand tight" means far different torques depending on if Arnold
>>>is turning wrench or I am attempting to turn it when my carpal tunnel is
>>>complaining.[/color]
>>
>>What's this 'wrench' talk when you're describing hand
>>tight?...hand tight is hand tight, as tight as you can get it
>>using your....(wait for it now.......) hand![/color]
>
> But that's the whole stupid &^%$()#_ problem!! "Hand tight" is way
>too loose of a spec when it really matters. And even when it doesn't.
>[/color]

Well, to me, if it's meant to be 'hand tight' then the nut should
be a 'wingnut'...but then of course, some dingledorf will use a
screwdriver or vicegrips on it...<sigh>

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> One person's "hand tight" is another person's "Who put this on here,
>a gorilla?" or a third's "it was just about to fall off". ;-P
>[/color]
Of course!...and there's no difference between this and using a
spanner...one guy can put a nut on which will come off that day
and another can put the same nut on that you need to 'split' to
get off all with the same wrench, so to me 'hand tight is just
that, no wrench involved.

Your advice re torque wrenches is very accurate...very little
beats experience...or a good torquewrench.
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-Gord.

"I'm trying to get as old as I can,
and it must be working 'cause I'm
the oldest now that I've ever been"
 
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