Why we drive Toyotas

Well as gas prices rise, many of us are reminded why we got our first Toyota
in the first place.

Gas has hit 2.55 in Kankakee. The tankful I have in the Corolla I bought at
2.24. Oh, no, there is no price coersion in Illinois.

Charles of Kankakee

Charles @ Kankakee wrote:[color=blue]
> Well as gas prices rise, many of us are reminded why we got our first Toyota
> in the first place.
>
> Gas has hit 2.55 in Kankakee. The tankful I have in the Corolla I bought at
> 2.24. Oh, no, there is no price coersion in Illinois.
>
> Charles of Kankakee[/color]

Thank your old buddy George W. Bush, Kanker Sore. Somehow Clinton
managed to keep gas prices down for 8 years... then here comes the
Pseudo-Cowboy and BLAMO -- there goes most of our shots at a better
life (in this economy at least)

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:52:31 -0700, Learning Richard wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> Charles @ Kankakee wrote:[color=green]
>> Well as gas prices rise, many of us are reminded why we got our first Toyota
>> in the first place.
>>
>> Gas has hit 2.55 in Kankakee. The tankful I have in the Corolla I bought at
>> 2.24. Oh, no, there is no price coersion in Illinois.
>>
>> Charles of Kankakee[/color]
>
> Thank your old buddy George W. Bush, Kanker Sore. Somehow Clinton
> managed to keep gas prices down for 8 years... then here comes the
> Pseudo-Cowboy and BLAMO -- there goes most of our shots at a better
> life (in this economy at least)[/color]


Come On, LR! CLINTON kept prices down? HOW!

I KNEW the price of gas would hit at least $3.00...

When I was in High School...

in NINETEEN-SEVENTY-FOUR!!!!!


Why are you blaming Bush?

What did Clinton do to futher alternative fuels?

WHY aren't we running on something other than Gasloine (HINT: It has VERY
little to do with Bush, Clinotn or any of the OTHER Bozos out there...)

"HachiRoku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
news:TsUKe.6833$eR.3536@trndny04...[color=blue]
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:52:31 -0700, Learning Richard wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>> Charles @ Kankakee wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Well as gas prices rise, many of us are reminded why we got our first
>>> Toyota
>>> in the first place.
>>>
>>> Gas has hit 2.55 in Kankakee. The tankful I have in the Corolla I
>>> bought at
>>> 2.24. Oh, no, there is no price coersion in Illinois.
>>>
>>> Charles of Kankakee[/color]
>>
>> Thank your old buddy George W. Bush, Kanker Sore. Somehow Clinton
>> managed to keep gas prices down for 8 years... then here comes the
>> Pseudo-Cowboy and BLAMO -- there goes most of our shots at a better
>> life (in this economy at least)[/color]
>
>
> Come On, LR! CLINTON kept prices down? HOW!
>
> I KNEW the price of gas would hit at least $3.00...
>
> When I was in High School...
>
> in NINETEEN-SEVENTY-FOUR!!!!!
>
>
> Why are you blaming Bush?
>
> What did Clinton do to futher alternative fuels?
>
> WHY aren't we running on something other than Gasloine (HINT: It has VERY
> little to do with Bush, Clinotn or any of the OTHER Bozos out there...)[/color]

Little Dick doesn't even realize I don't see ANY of his messages anymore.

It seems funny that gas went up immediately 20 cents when the Shah died, and
he hasn't been running things for 10 years now.

The problem is, had AlGore been elected we would have had exactly the same
problem. He is also tied into the oil companies.

Charles of Kankakee

"Why?" Because they rock. Next question.

Natalie

"Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:42fc232e$0$17484$626a14ce@news.free.fr...[color=blue]
> "Why?" Because they rock. Next question.
>
> Natalie
>[/color]

They also get good mileage.

Case in point: I used to own an S-10 with the 4banger 2.2 118 hp engine.
Got about 20 mpg. I own a 95 Previa 2.4 191 hp engine (Supercharged).
Guess what her average mileage is? About 20 mpg.

Charles of Kankakee

"Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:42fc232e$0$17484$626a14ce@news.free.fr...[color=green]
>> "Why?" Because they rock. Next question.
>>
>> Natalie
>>[/color]
>
> They also get good mileage.
>
> Case in point: I used to own an S-10 with the 4banger 2.2 118 hp engine.
> Got about 20 mpg. I own a 95 Previa 2.4 191 hp engine (Supercharged).
> Guess what her average mileage is? About 20 mpg.
>
> Charles of Kankakee[/color]

2000 LS 400 with 4 liter, 4 cam 32 valve engine: 26+ MPG at 75-80 MPH cruise
round-trip from Chicago to Lacrosse WI :-)
--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:52:18 -0500, "Charles @ Kankakee"
<n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Well as gas prices rise, many of us are reminded why we got our first Toyota
>in the first place.[/color]

Bad news: Work van FORD. Good news: Boss buys the fuel & repairs.
If he won't listen to me, that's his problem.
[color=blue]
>Gas has hit 2.55 in Kankakee. The tankful I have in the Corolla I bought at
>2.24. Oh, no, there is no price coersion in Illinois.[/color]

Of course there's price collusion everywhere, and there are no
politicians on either side of the aisle who have the huevos to
confront and solve the root problems.

There's collusion in the exploration and wellhead pumping side - if
the wholesale crude price is too low, they shut down domestic wells.
And then OPEC holds all the marbles, and they play their own games.
Plus with shipping the oil around the globe, there is more chance for
terrorists to interrupt the supply, which is one big part of why crude
oil is so high right now - it's a "fear tax".

There's collusion in the refineries - they don't have enough excess
capacity to handle refinery outages. If a refinery has a small fire
or an equipment breakdown, suddenly there's a spot shortage and a
price spike. Getting a permit to open or expand a refinery is almost
impossible.

And the local NIMBY's do their best to stop new refineries, too -
the same people driving around electric and bio-diesel cars who won't
be affected by their actions.

There's collusion from the government, with hundreds of various
regional emissions blends across the country - they can't trans-ship
fuel between regions without changing the refinery mix to be legal in
another area. The recipe book needs to be whittled down to two or
three levels of emissions gas, to allow easy supply balancing between
regions.

Proof: Unocal worked with the California government to come up with
a gas that meets the emissions targets without MTBE or Ethanol
oxygenates, and the state required everyone to use this process - and
as this was being publicly announced the Unocal Patent Lawyers quietly
ran to the Patent Office and quietly got a patent on the process. Now
everyone has to pay them a licensing fee to refine gas in California.

There's collusion in the pipeline and storage system - they don't
have enough pipeline capacity to move the crude to the refineries, and
the refined gas and diesel from the refineries to the areas where it
is sold, and there is very little reserve supply of refined product
stored in tank farms. If a pipeline has to go down for a few days,
you have an instant crisis on your hands.

There's collusion at the regional refined product distribution -
they put 'zone pricing' in effect to artificially raise prices in
neighborhoods where they think they can get another dime or two a
gallon out of the consumers.

There's even gross inefficiencies in the retail sales - why do they
sell three grades when we really don't need an 89? Cars either run
well on 87, or they have a higher performance car that requires 91 or
92. They sell the Mid-grade 89 and Premium to people who don't need
it solely on 'cachet' and 'machismo', wasting precious resources in
the process.

--<< Bruce >>--

--
Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.

"Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:42fc232e$0$17484$626a14ce@news.free.fr...[color=blue]
> "Why?" Because they rock. Next question.
>
> Natalie
>[/color]
I drive an '85 Toyota Van - - it doesn't rock, I'm afraid, but I still like
it because it's big enough to haul around the things I now and then need to
haul around. It gets about 18MPG, since I use it mostly for around town, and
don't baby it.. I also own a 3.3 liter Dodge Grand Caravan that I drive like
a little old lady at 60 MPH on the freeway - - and get 25MPG - - and passed
up a lot. It has a digital display of MPG, current or average, and on the
straightaway flat it shows 31MPG as the current reading, which blows my
mind, but the gas pumps confirm what the digital display shows for the
average. Some day I dream of driving another Toyota, but with the hybrid
system of the Prius, and the cargo capability of my little 85 Van. I don't
know if it will happen, but I wrote Toyota about my dream, so we'll see.

Chuck

"Chuck Olson" <chuckolson01@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:42fc232e$0$17484$626a14ce@news.free.fr...[color=green]
>> "Why?" Because they rock. Next question.
>>
>> Natalie
>>[/color]
> I drive an '85 Toyota Van - - it doesn't rock, I'm afraid, but I still
> like
> it because it's big enough to haul around the things I now and then need
> to
> haul around. It gets about 18MPG, since I use it mostly for around town,
> and
> don't baby it.. I also own a 3.3 liter Dodge Grand Caravan that I drive
> like
> a little old lady at 60 MPH on the freeway - - and get 25MPG - - and
> passed
> up a lot. It has a digital display of MPG, current or average, and on the
> straightaway flat it shows 31MPG as the current reading, which blows my
> mind, but the gas pumps confirm what the digital display shows for the
> average. Some day I dream of driving another Toyota, but with the hybrid
> system of the Prius, and the cargo capability of my little 85 Van. I don't
> know if it will happen, but I wrote Toyota about my dream, so we'll see.
>
> Chuck
>[/color]
I believe that a hybrid van is available in Japan.
--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply

"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:X-ydnTArjaOftmHfRVn-1g@comcast.com...[color=green]
>>
>> "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:42fc232e$0$17484$626a14ce@news.free.fr...[color=darkred]
>>> "Why?" Because they rock. Next question.
>>>
>>> Natalie
>>>[/color]
>>
>> They also get good mileage.
>>
>> Case in point: I used to own an S-10 with the 4banger 2.2 118 hp engine.
>> Got about 20 mpg. I own a 95 Previa 2.4 191 hp engine (Supercharged).
>> Guess what her average mileage is? About 20 mpg.
>>
>> Charles of Kankakee[/color]
>
> 2000 LS 400 with 4 liter, 4 cam 32 valve engine: 26+ MPG at 75-80 MPH
> cruise round-trip from Chicago to Lacrosse WI :-)
> --
> Ray O
> correct the return address punctuation to reply
>[/color]

Unforutnately I don't get to use cruise much on the 294, when I can, the
mileage goes up. My old Corolla is the last 'manual' car in the family, it
only has AT, no cruise, no power windows etc.

Charles

"Bruce L. Bergman" <blPYTHONbergman@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
news:uvbof1dkn6t04fbrknseor0bv3a82babuq@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:52:18 -0500, "Charles @ Kankakee"
> <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Well as gas prices rise, many of us are reminded why we got our first
>>Toyota
>>in the first place.[/color]
>
> Bad news: Work van FORD. Good news: Boss buys the fuel & repairs.
> If he won't listen to me, that's his problem.
>[color=green]
>>Gas has hit 2.55 in Kankakee. The tankful I have in the Corolla I bought
>>at
>>2.24. Oh, no, there is no price coersion in Illinois.[/color]
>
> Of course there's price collusion everywhere, and there are no
> politicians on either side of the aisle who have the huevos to
> confront and solve the root problems.
>
> There's collusion in the exploration and wellhead pumping side - if
> the wholesale crude price is too low, they shut down domestic wells.
> And then OPEC holds all the marbles, and they play their own games.
> Plus with shipping the oil around the globe, there is more chance for
> terrorists to interrupt the supply, which is one big part of why crude
> oil is so high right now - it's a "fear tax".
>
> There's collusion in the refineries - they don't have enough excess
> capacity to handle refinery outages. If a refinery has a small fire
> or an equipment breakdown, suddenly there's a spot shortage and a
> price spike. Getting a permit to open or expand a refinery is almost
> impossible.
>
> And the local NIMBY's do their best to stop new refineries, too -
> the same people driving around electric and bio-diesel cars who won't
> be affected by their actions.
>
> There's collusion from the government, with hundreds of various
> regional emissions blends across the country - they can't trans-ship
> fuel between regions without changing the refinery mix to be legal in
> another area. The recipe book needs to be whittled down to two or
> three levels of emissions gas, to allow easy supply balancing between
> regions.
>
> Proof: Unocal worked with the California government to come up with
> a gas that meets the emissions targets without MTBE or Ethanol
> oxygenates, and the state required everyone to use this process - and
> as this was being publicly announced the Unocal Patent Lawyers quietly
> ran to the Patent Office and quietly got a patent on the process. Now
> everyone has to pay them a licensing fee to refine gas in California.
>
> There's collusion in the pipeline and storage system - they don't
> have enough pipeline capacity to move the crude to the refineries, and
> the refined gas and diesel from the refineries to the areas where it
> is sold, and there is very little reserve supply of refined product
> stored in tank farms. If a pipeline has to go down for a few days,
> you have an instant crisis on your hands.
>
> There's collusion at the regional refined product distribution -
> they put 'zone pricing' in effect to artificially raise prices in
> neighborhoods where they think they can get another dime or two a
> gallon out of the consumers.
>
> There's even gross inefficiencies in the retail sales - why do they
> sell three grades when we really don't need an 89? Cars either run
> well on 87, or they have a higher performance car that requires 91 or
> 92. They sell the Mid-grade 89 and Premium to people who don't need
> it solely on 'cachet' and 'machismo', wasting precious resources in
> the process.
>
> --<< Bruce >>--
>
> --
> Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
> Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
> 5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
> Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.[/color]

Amen Bruce, but you're preaching to the choir. Here in Illinois we have 12
different areas, according to the EPA, with 12 different blends. Sometimes
Kankakee will be higher than downtown Chicago. And the Reformulated gas
that is mandatory in the Chicago/suburban blends from April 1 to October 1
actually LOWERS gas mileage about 10% in most of the vehicles I own, so it
doesn't really help reduce pollution, since it takes MORE of it and the
supposed reduction in pollution is less than 10%. A friend I know refers to
it as ref***ulated gas. I avoid buying it.

Oddly some of the gas stations around here sell 89 as cheap or cheaper than
87.

Charles of Kankakee

Bruce L. Bergman wrote:[color=blue]
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:52:18 -0500, "Charles @ Kankakee"
> <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Well as gas prices rise, many of us are reminded why we got our
>> first Toyota in the first place.[/color]
>
> Bad news: Work van FORD. Good news: Boss buys the fuel & repairs.
> If he won't listen to me, that's his problem.
>[color=green]
>> Gas has hit 2.55 in Kankakee. The tankful I have in the Corolla I
>> bought at
>> 2.24. Oh, no, there is no price coersion in Illinois.[/color]
>
> Of course there's price collusion everywhere, and there are no
> politicians on either side of the aisle who have the huevos to
> confront and solve the root problems.
>
> There's collusion in the exploration and wellhead pumping side - if
> the wholesale crude price is too low, they shut down domestic wells.
> And then OPEC holds all the marbles, and they play their own games.
> Plus with shipping the oil around the globe, there is more chance for
> terrorists to interrupt the supply, which is one big part of why crude
> oil is so high right now - it's a "fear tax".
>
> There's collusion in the refineries - they don't have enough excess
> capacity to handle refinery outages. If a refinery has a small fire
> or an equipment breakdown, suddenly there's a spot shortage and a
> price spike. Getting a permit to open or expand a refinery is almost
> impossible.
>
> And the local NIMBY's do their best to stop new refineries, too -
> the same people driving around electric and bio-diesel cars who won't
> be affected by their actions.
>
> There's collusion from the government, with hundreds of various
> regional emissions blends across the country - they can't trans-ship
> fuel between regions without changing the refinery mix to be legal in
> another area. The recipe book needs to be whittled down to two or
> three levels of emissions gas, to allow easy supply balancing between
> regions.
>
> Proof: Unocal worked with the California government to come up with
> a gas that meets the emissions targets without MTBE or Ethanol
> oxygenates, and the state required everyone to use this process - and
> as this was being publicly announced the Unocal Patent Lawyers quietly
> ran to the Patent Office and quietly got a patent on the process. Now
> everyone has to pay them a licensing fee to refine gas in California.
>
> There's collusion in the pipeline and storage system - they don't
> have enough pipeline capacity to move the crude to the refineries, and
> the refined gas and diesel from the refineries to the areas where it
> is sold, and there is very little reserve supply of refined product
> stored in tank farms. If a pipeline has to go down for a few days,
> you have an instant crisis on your hands.
>
> There's collusion at the regional refined product distribution -
> they put 'zone pricing' in effect to artificially raise prices in
> neighborhoods where they think they can get another dime or two a
> gallon out of the consumers.
>
> There's even gross inefficiencies in the retail sales - why do they
> sell three grades when we really don't need an 89? Cars either run
> well on 87, or they have a higher performance car that requires 91 or
> 92. They sell the Mid-grade 89 and Premium to people who don't need
> it solely on 'cachet' and 'machismo', wasting precious resources in
> the process.
>
> --<< Bruce >>--[/color]

Right on! Embarrassingly, WE hire the idiots who make all of this possible.
BTW, if you give the Ford the same care you would a Toyota, it'll return the
same service.

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:18:52 -0700, "Wickeddoll®"
<wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>"Why?" Because they rock. Next question.
>
>Natalie
>[/color]

Well, usually, if they're rocking, then there's something wrong with
the suspension, unless you and Bob are reliving your high school
days..


<running like hell>

-LMB

"Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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<snipped>
[color=blue][color=green]
>> 2000 LS 400 with 4 liter, 4 cam 32 valve engine: 26+ MPG at 75-80 MPH
>> cruise round-trip from Chicago to Lacrosse WI :-)
>> --
>> Ray O
>> correct the return address punctuation to reply
>>[/color]
>
> Unforutnately I don't get to use cruise much on the 294, when I can, the
> mileage goes up. My old Corolla is the last 'manual' car in the family,
> it only has AT, no cruise, no power windows etc.
>
> Charles[/color]

When I said "cruise," I didn't mean to imply that I used cruise control on
that trip. I rarely use cruise control because I feel I can get better gas
mileage with my foot, especially on rolling terrain.
--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply