OT: What road are they able to use to get evacuees out of New Orleans

I have seen video of both the Causeway and I-10 and they are shot. What is
left? I thought that US 90 was also kaput?

If there is a road out, then there is a road in that the various emergency
services can start using to get things in. They've got levee breaches that
need to be fixed fast or New Orleans will become America's first city you'll
need scuba lessons to visit . . . .

Charles of Kankakee

"Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:OJSdndIciLNBEIveRVn-sw@comcast.com...[color=blue]
> I have seen video of both the Causeway and I-10 and they are shot. What[/color]
is[color=blue]
> left? I thought that US 90 was also kaput?
>
> If there is a road out, then there is a road in that the various emergency
> services can start using to get things in. They've got levee breaches[/color]
that[color=blue]
> need to be fixed fast or New Orleans will become America's first city[/color]
you'll[color=blue]
> need scuba lessons to visit . . . .
>
> Charles of Kankakee
>[/color]

Good question. Try this page?

[url]http://www8.dotd.louisiana.gov/emergency/[/url]

There's "State Police Road and Incident Site" and "Evacuation Corridor Maps"
links half-way down the page.

"dh" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in message
news:1125553701.4dd248d824be4c56768bbcab4de76c80@teranews...[color=blue]
> "Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:OJSdndIciLNBEIveRVn-sw@comcast.com...[color=green]
>> I have seen video of both the Causeway and I-10 and they are shot. What[/color]
> is[color=green]
>> left? I thought that US 90 was also kaput?
>>
>> If there is a road out, then there is a road in that the various
>> emergency
>> services can start using to get things in. They've got levee breaches[/color]
> that[color=green]
>> need to be fixed fast or New Orleans will become America's first city[/color]
> you'll[color=green]
>> need scuba lessons to visit . . . .
>>
>> Charles of Kankakee
>>[/color]
>
> Good question. Try this page?
>
> [url]http://www8.dotd.louisiana.gov/emergency/[/url]
>
> There's "State Police Road and Incident Site" and "Evacuation Corridor
> Maps"
> links half-way down the page.
>
>[/color]

Those corridor maps seem to not match what they are reporting on the media.
The causeway is broken for sure, as I've seen video and both directions are
shot. The media has been reporting I-10 is also shot, but here it seems to
be servicable in spots?

But then again, the media is trying to do the old Hearst "Yellow Journalism"
sensationalism. Damn William Randoph Hearst and his ilk. Facts are
pretty scarce on the ground in any case.

Check this site out:
[url]http://www.usps.com/communications/news/serviceupdates.htm?from=bannercommunications&page=katrina[/url]

The POSTAL SERVICE has had to restrict inbound mail to most of the affected
zone for now. Never mind e-mail or phone service. That's a scary thought.

Charles of Kankakee

"Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "dh" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in message
> news:1125553701.4dd248d824be4c56768bbcab4de76c80@teranews...[color=green]
> > "Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:OJSdndIciLNBEIveRVn-sw@comcast.com...[color=darkred]
> >> I have seen video of both the Causeway and I-10 and they are shot.[/color][/color][/color]
What[color=blue][color=green]
> > is[color=darkred]
> >> left? I thought that US 90 was also kaput?
> >>
> >> If there is a road out, then there is a road in that the various
> >> emergency
> >> services can start using to get things in. They've got levee breaches[/color]
> > that[color=darkred]
> >> need to be fixed fast or New Orleans will become America's first city[/color]
> > you'll[color=darkred]
> >> need scuba lessons to visit . . . .
> >>
> >> Charles of Kankakee
> >>[/color]
> >
> > Good question. Try this page?
> >
> > [url]http://www8.dotd.louisiana.gov/emergency/[/url]
> >
> > There's "State Police Road and Incident Site" and "Evacuation Corridor
> > Maps"
> > links half-way down the page.
> >
> >[/color]
>
> Those corridor maps seem to not match what they are reporting on the[/color]
media.[color=blue]
> The causeway is broken for sure, as I've seen video and both directions[/color]
are[color=blue]
> shot. The media has been reporting I-10 is also shot, but here it seems[/color]
to[color=blue]
> be servicable in spots?
>[/color]

By causeway, you're talking about the one over Pontchartrain? If so, wow.
That's fairly well inland to get hit so hard.

There are a couple of choices for roads but they parallel each other and it
would seem that if 10 to the east is out, 90 would be in trouble.
[color=blue]
> But then again, the media is trying to do the old Hearst "Yellow[/color]
Journalism"[color=blue]
> sensationalism. Damn William Randoph Hearst and his ilk. Facts are
> pretty scarce on the ground in any case.
>[/color]

The reporters themselves may have all the facts but the station crew isn't
putting it together well; just run the most horrifying tape loop...
[color=blue]
> Check this site out:
>[/color]
[url]http://www.usps.com/communications/news/serviceupdates.htm?from=bannercommunications&page=katrina[/url][color=blue]
>
> The POSTAL SERVICE has had to restrict inbound mail to most of the[/color]
affected[color=blue]
> zone for now. Never mind e-mail or phone service. That's a scary[/color]
thought.[color=blue]
>
> Charles of Kankakee
>
>[/color]

I'm picturing Cliff Claven in a bright yellow rain suit...

I also looked at MapQuest; I wonder what happened to all those little
communities down the Mississippi into the Delta?

"dh" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in message
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> "Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:pLSdncWy195gAIveRVn-ow@comcast.com...[color=green]
>>
>> "dh" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in message
>> news:1125553701.4dd248d824be4c56768bbcab4de76c80@teranews...[color=darkred]
>> > "Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> > news:OJSdndIciLNBEIveRVn-sw@comcast.com...
>> >> I have seen video of both the Causeway and I-10 and they are shot.[/color][/color]
> What[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > is
>> >> left? I thought that US 90 was also kaput?
>> >>
>> >> If there is a road out, then there is a road in that the various
>> >> emergency
>> >> services can start using to get things in. They've got levee breaches
>> > that
>> >> need to be fixed fast or New Orleans will become America's first city
>> > you'll
>> >> need scuba lessons to visit . . . .
>> >>
>> >> Charles of Kankakee
>> >>
>> >
>> > Good question. Try this page?
>> >
>> > [url]http://www8.dotd.louisiana.gov/emergency/[/url]
>> >
>> > There's "State Police Road and Incident Site" and "Evacuation Corridor
>> > Maps"
>> > links half-way down the page.
>> >
>> >[/color]
>>
>> Those corridor maps seem to not match what they are reporting on the[/color]
> media.[color=green]
>> The causeway is broken for sure, as I've seen video and both directions[/color]
> are[color=green]
>> shot. The media has been reporting I-10 is also shot, but here it seems[/color]
> to[color=green]
>> be servicable in spots?
>>[/color]
>
> By causeway, you're talking about the one over Pontchartrain? If so, wow.
> That's fairly well inland to get hit so hard.
>
> There are a couple of choices for roads but they parallel each other and
> it
> would seem that if 10 to the east is out, 90 would be in trouble.
>[color=green]
>> But then again, the media is trying to do the old Hearst "Yellow[/color]
> Journalism"[color=green]
>> sensationalism. Damn William Randoph Hearst and his ilk. Facts are
>> pretty scarce on the ground in any case.
>>[/color]
>
> The reporters themselves may have all the facts but the station crew isn't
> putting it together well; just run the most horrifying tape loop...
>[/color]

Yes but I've always thought the Causeway was just itching to get hit, it's
only a few feet above the lake. I've been bitching for days for them to
pull it together better.

[color=blue][color=green]
>> Check this site out:
>>[/color]
> [url]http://www.usps.com/communications/news/serviceupdates.htm?from=bannercommunications&page=katrina[/url][color=green]
>>
>> The POSTAL SERVICE has had to restrict inbound mail to most of the[/color]
> affected[color=green]
>> zone for now. Never mind e-mail or phone service. That's a scary[/color]
> thought.[color=green]
>>
>> Charles of Kankakee
>>
>>[/color]
>
> I'm picturing Cliff Claven in a bright yellow rain suit...
>
> I also looked at MapQuest; I wonder what happened to all those little
> communities down the Mississippi into the Delta?
>
>[/color]

I'm worried about Stone County, MS myself. That is just north of Harrison
County and many of the people there are at least distantly related to me.
It's only about 14,000 but dirt poor and now probably dirt poorer . . .There
are a lot of little towns there in the piney woods country, and it's near
the road that the hurricane took to Hattiesburg. . . .

There are 4 other counties in Mississippi that are there, also. Hancock,
Jackson, Pearl River and George. There are a number of parishes east of New
Orleans in Louisiana that had to have got hit pretty bad. I figure over a
million people are pretty near homeless right now between New Orleans
(nearly half a million), Mobile County, Alabama (400,000) the 6 counties of
Mississippi (nearly 400,000, 300,000 along the coast) and I'm not sure how
many east of Orleans parish in Louisiana. There are a lot of people with
lesser damage, too. and a lot of roads that have issues into these areas.
I-55 runs through Mississippi and down to New Orleans, and I-59 goes over to
Gulfport/Biloxi. Those are some pretty major arteries. I don't see anyone
talking about rail lines, but I didn't see the southbound City of New
Orleans go by at its regular time tonight . . . .

Have you seen John Ratzenberger in 'Made in America'?

Charles of Kankakee

"Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:OJSdndIciLNBEIveRVn-sw@comcast.com...[color=blue]
>I have seen video of both the Causeway and I-10 and they are shot. What is
>left? I thought that US 90 was also kaput?
>[/color]

There is no road, that's the trouble. If there was a road, there would be
food and water by now.

I have to wonder why they don't bring in the heavy lift choppers and drop
portable offices and semi trailers full of stuff, or lower trailers to fill
with stranded survivors and carry them out to high ground where they can be
moved along to whatever is the next step on the raod to recovery ...

"J Strickland" <spam@nospam.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:OJSdndIciLNBEIveRVn-sw@comcast.com...[color=green]
>>I have seen video of both the Causeway and I-10 and they are shot. What
>>is left? I thought that US 90 was also kaput?
>>[/color]
>
> There is no road, that's the trouble. If there was a road, there would be
> food and water by now.
>
> I have to wonder why they don't bring in the heavy lift choppers and drop
> portable offices and semi trailers full of stuff, or lower trailers to
> fill with stranded survivors and carry them out to high ground where they
> can be moved along to whatever is the next step on the raod to recovery
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
>[/color]

I haven't seen anyone yet mention rail lines as a way of bringing in goods.
N.O. is the terminus for a lot of north-south lines. They may be flooded,
but no one has mentioned them yet. 10 hours from Chicago to Memphis and
only a few more to New Orleans if they can get through.

I also don't see any one mentioning amateur radio as an alternate
communications source. Very strange. Hams have helped with communications
after every hurricane since 1938 among other things. There were hams at the
WTC disaster for several days.

Charles of Kankakee

"Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "J Strickland" <spam@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:8rGdnV8CG4cyroreRVn-tg@ez2.net...[color=green]
>>
>> "Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:OJSdndIciLNBEIveRVn-sw@comcast.com...[color=darkred]
>>>I have seen video of both the Causeway and I-10 and they are shot. What
>>>is left? I thought that US 90 was also kaput?
>>>[/color]
>>
>> There is no road, that's the trouble. If there was a road, there would be
>> food and water by now.
>>
>> I have to wonder why they don't bring in the heavy lift choppers and drop
>> portable offices and semi trailers full of stuff, or lower trailers to
>> fill with stranded survivors and carry them out to high ground where they
>> can be moved along to whatever is the next step on the raod to recovery
>> ...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>[/color]
>
> I haven't seen anyone yet mention rail lines as a way of bringing in
> goods. N.O. is the terminus for a lot of north-south lines. They may be
> flooded, but no one has mentioned them yet. 10 hours from Chicago to
> Memphis and only a few more to New Orleans if they can get through.
>[/color]

My guess is they wouldn't want to put trains onto flooded tracks. Perhaps it
just me, but I think that the ground under a flooded track hasn't got the
intergrity that would be required to support a train.


[color=blue]
> I also don't see any one mentioning amateur radio as an alternate
> communications source. Very strange. Hams have helped with
> communications after every hurricane since 1938 among other things. There
> were hams at the WTC disaster for several days.[/color]


Yes, but there was both power and means for people to survive for a few days
on their own. Here, there is no power, no fuel, no way to cook. There is
nothing, except several feet of raw sewage.

And, people that have HAM licenses are generally a pretty smart bunch as a
group, and they are likely to have left the area before they got into
trouble.

I happen to agree with your premise, but there are plenty of reasons why the
premise hasn't panned out.

I think the most viable means of emergency travel, especially to get
supplies into the area, is by air. I agree that putting people in semi
trailers and lifting them out by helicopter is dangerous, I just don't seem
many alternatives to a situation where wading through waist deep sewage is
the order of the day. Given the health hazards of walking around in sewage,
being air lifted in a cargo container for a few miles seems like a logical
alternative.

"Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:OJSdndIciLNBEIveRVn-sw@comcast.com...[color=blue]
> I have seen video of both the Causeway and I-10 and they are shot. What[/color]
is[color=blue]
> left? I thought that US 90 was also kaput?
>
> If there is a road out, then there is a road in that the various emergency
> services can start using to get things in. They've got levee breaches[/color]
that[color=blue]
> need to be fixed fast or New Orleans will become America's first city[/color]
you'll[color=blue]
> need scuba lessons to visit . . . .
>
> Charles of Kankakee
>
>[/color]

There's a couple of articles on this page (warning: very long) that touch on
the roads situation:
[url]http://nola.live.advance.net/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_08.html[/url]

It's organized with most recent at the top, oldest at the bottom. There's a
recent article on the causeway being closed but not severely damaged (maybe
usable once inspection is complete) and another posted Tuesday, 8:05am (a
series of articles at that time) about the only way out of New Orleans being
West.

Seems to me there's a lot more on this page than one gets from the talking
heads.

"J Strickland" <spam@nospam.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:RN2dncWy0-ALporeRVn-gg@comcast.com...[color=green]
>>
>> "J Strickland" <spam@nospam.net> wrote in message
>> news:8rGdnV8CG4cyroreRVn-tg@ez2.net...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:OJSdndIciLNBEIveRVn-sw@comcast.com...
>>>>I have seen video of both the Causeway and I-10 and they are shot. What
>>>>is left? I thought that US 90 was also kaput?
>>>>
>>>
>>> There is no road, that's the trouble. If there was a road, there would
>>> be food and water by now.
>>>
>>> I have to wonder why they don't bring in the heavy lift choppers and
>>> drop portable offices and semi trailers full of stuff, or lower trailers
>>> to fill with stranded survivors and carry them out to high ground where
>>> they can be moved along to whatever is the next step on the raod to
>>> recovery ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>
>> I haven't seen anyone yet mention rail lines as a way of bringing in
>> goods. N.O. is the terminus for a lot of north-south lines. They may be
>> flooded, but no one has mentioned them yet. 10 hours from Chicago to
>> Memphis and only a few more to New Orleans if they can get through.
>>[/color]
>
> My guess is they wouldn't want to put trains onto flooded tracks. Perhaps
> it just me, but I think that the ground under a flooded track hasn't got
> the intergrity that would be required to support a train.
>
>
>[color=green]
>> I also don't see any one mentioning amateur radio as an alternate
>> communications source. Very strange. Hams have helped with
>> communications after every hurricane since 1938 among other things.
>> There were hams at the WTC disaster for several days.[/color]
>
>
> Yes, but there was both power and means for people to survive for a few
> days on their own. Here, there is no power, no fuel, no way to cook. There
> is nothing, except several feet of raw sewage.
>
> And, people that have HAM licenses are generally a pretty smart bunch as a
> group, and they are likely to have left the area before they got into
> trouble.
>
> I happen to agree with your premise, but there are plenty of reasons why
> the premise hasn't panned out.
>
> I think the most viable means of emergency travel, especially to get
> supplies into the area, is by air. I agree that putting people in semi
> trailers and lifting them out by helicopter is dangerous, I just don't
> seem many alternatives to a situation where wading through waist deep
> sewage is the order of the day. Given the health hazards of walking around
> in sewage, being air lifted in a cargo container for a few miles seems
> like a logical alternative.
>
>
>
>
>
>[/color]

Well, thoughout most of the South, the train tracks are placed on raised
roadbeds because of the possibility of flooding. They do have to go slow,
but as long as the tracks are above the flood, they can move stuff. Most
box cars can hold nearly 100 tons, that's nearly 3 trailer loads.

There are a lot of hams that are members of emergency organizations and have
their own backup power and etc, just for this sort of thing. They would be
willing to stay behind and help with the aftermath . . . Many of them are
also members of the Red Cross or Salvation Army. There have been hams
doing so for decades. We have several hams here in Kankakee that are set
up to be able to work without power and without a commercial repeater to
work through in case of tornadoes, for instance. That has happened several
times here.

Charles of Kankakee

"DH" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in message
news:1125609865.6e0ad1d1f55c7515551f0f1459655da0@teranews...[color=blue]
> "Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:OJSdndIciLNBEIveRVn-sw@comcast.com...[color=green]
>> I have seen video of both the Causeway and I-10 and they are shot. What[/color]
> is[color=green]
>> left? I thought that US 90 was also kaput?
>>
>> If there is a road out, then there is a road in that the various
>> emergency
>> services can start using to get things in. They've got levee breaches[/color]
> that[color=green]
>> need to be fixed fast or New Orleans will become America's first city[/color]
> you'll[color=green]
>> need scuba lessons to visit . . . .
>>
>> Charles of Kankakee
>>
>>[/color]
>
> There's a couple of articles on this page (warning: very long) that touch
> on
> the roads situation:
> [url]http://nola.live.advance.net/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_08.html[/url]
>
> It's organized with most recent at the top, oldest at the bottom. There's
> a
> recent article on the causeway being closed but not severely damaged
> (maybe
> usable once inspection is complete) and another posted Tuesday, 8:05am (a
> series of articles at that time) about the only way out of New Orleans
> being
> West.
>
> Seems to me there's a lot more on this page than one gets from the talking
> heads.
>
>[/color]

Aha. Real facts, not the yellow journalism of the spin doctors or the sound
bites of the infantile media.

It looks like they could use the causeway for moving things, too. That
would give them two working roadways. The speed at which the problem gets
worked depends on bandwidth, and two working arteries are twice as much as
one. Like Ground Zero, it looks like there is a lot of rubbish that is
going to have to be removed after the streets get dryed out. Also, with
two working arteries, the Corps can bring in twice as much equipment and get
cracking on getting N.O. dried out.

Chicago used to do the same thing prior to the 1850's downtown. Most of the
downtown was at the level of the lake. The streets were muddy, nasty little
vermin were everywhere. When it rained, the streets became impassable.
Sometime around the Civil War, Chicago raised the streets 20 feet. Now it
seems to me if N.O. did something like that, it would get them above sea
level and the streets would have drained dry pretty much on their own.

[url]http://www.gapersblock.com/airbags/archives/city_streets_how_chicago_raised_itself_out_of_the_mud_and_astonished_the_world/[/url]

Charles of Kankakee

"Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote:
snip[color=blue]
>
>There are a lot of hams that are members of emergency organizations and have
>their own backup power and etc, just for this sort of thing. They would be
>willing to stay behind and help with the aftermath . . . Many of them are
>also members of the Red Cross or Salvation Army. There have been hams
>doing so for decades. We have several hams here in Kankakee that are set
>up to be able to work without power and without a commercial repeater to
>work through in case of tornadoes, for instance. That has happened several
>times here.
>
>Charles of Kankakee
>[/color]
Charles, you'll find that hams are a very much behind the scenes
type of person quite unwilling to toot their own horns. You'll
likely hear lots about them after the dust settles. God knows
that those poor people down there need all the help that anyone
can give them.
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
news:44ffh1hf2veptjvnpbb1kcm8a1p0u8jtqh@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> "Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote:
> snip[color=green]
>>
>>There are a lot of hams that are members of emergency organizations and
>>have
>>their own backup power and etc, just for this sort of thing. They would
>>be
>>willing to stay behind and help with the aftermath . . . Many of them are
>>also members of the Red Cross or Salvation Army. There have been hams
>>doing so for decades. We have several hams here in Kankakee that are
>>set
>>up to be able to work without power and without a commercial repeater to
>>work through in case of tornadoes, for instance. That has happened
>>several
>>times here.
>>
>>Charles of Kankakee
>>[/color]
> Charles, you'll find that hams are a very much behind the scenes
> type of person quite unwilling to toot their own horns. You'll
> likely hear lots about them after the dust settles. God knows
> that those poor people down there need all the help that anyone
> can give them.
> --
>
> -Gord.
> (use gordon in email)[/color]

The one thing that hasn't happened yet is the FCC hasn't sent out a bulletin
restricting traffic on certain frequencies to traffic to/from the Gulf. for
emergency and Health/Welfare traffic. I checked their website yesterday.
Usually when there is a disaster this big, FCC will dedicate several
subbands to the necessary work. Unless they think they don't need us
anymore and the internet can handle it all. . . . Yeah, right. I
wanted to find out where I could at least listen to traffic. My 706 Mk II G
needs me to find the power supply, but right now if I found it, I couldn't
lift it.(I still have weight restrictions on lifting until Oct 20th from the
bypass surgery.) (That's what I get for letting 5 people unload the moving
van. I've got my radio and my antenna, but I can't find the power supply or
my MFJ tuner box. And they broke one leg off my stand for my 2 meter
J-beam.)

Charles
N5HSR/9

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> > "Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:OJSdndIciLNBEIveRVn-sw@comcast.com...[color=darkred]
> >> I have seen video of both the Causeway and I-10 and they are shot.[/color][/color][/color]
What[color=blue][color=green]
> > is[color=darkred]
> >> left? I thought that US 90 was also kaput?
> >>
> >> If there is a road out, then there is a road in that the various
> >> emergency
> >> services can start using to get things in. They've got levee breaches[/color]
> > that[color=darkred]
> >> need to be fixed fast or New Orleans will become America's first city[/color]
> > you'll[color=darkred]
> >> need scuba lessons to visit . . . .
> >>
> >> Charles of Kankakee[/color]
> >
> > There's a couple of articles on this page (warning: very long) that[/color][/color]
touch[color=blue][color=green]
> > on
> > the roads situation:
> >[/color][/color]
[url]http://nola.live.advance.net/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_08.html[/url][color=blue][color=green]
> >[/color]
> Aha. Real facts, not the yellow journalism of the spin doctors or the[/color]
sound[color=blue]
> bites of the infantile media.
>[/color]

Yeah, Useful Suff. I liked this. I wonder how good that paper is under
normal circumstances.

Note that the link seems to include a date. This page seems to be the one
getting the updates now:

[url]http://nola.live.advance.net/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_09html[/url]


[url]http://www.gapersblock.com/airbags/archives/city_streets_how_chicago_raised_itself_out_of_the_mud_and_astonished_the_world/[/url][color=blue]
>[/color]

Thanks. I'll check it out.
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> Charles of Kankakee
>
>[/color]

"J Strickland" <spam@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:RYOdnX4K7oT9yIreRVn-gw@ez2.net...[color=blue][color=green]
>>[/color]
>
> My guess is they wouldn't want to put trains onto flooded tracks. Perhaps
> it just me, but I think that the ground under a flooded track hasn't got
> the intergrity that would be required to support a train.
>
>
>[/color]

It turns out the train tracks are largely washed out.