OT Democrats TOTAL FAILURE....War on Poverty!!! Welfare State = Slavery

From the Wall Street Journal..

LBJ's Other Quagmire
Long before Katrina, the welfare state failed New Orleans's poor.

BY BRENDAN MINITER
Tuesday, September 13, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT


"What the American people have seen in this incredible disparity in
which those people who had cars and money got out, and those people
who were impoverished died."
The above comment about Hurricane Katrina comes to us from Ted
Kennedy, who went on to say that the question for Chief
Justice-designate John Roberts is whether he stands for "a fairer,
more just nation" or will use "narrow, stingy interpretations of the
law to frustrate progress." But why stop there? Sen. Kennedy is onto
something and, indeed, the question isn't only for Judge Roberts. It's
also one for the national debate now under way in the wake of the most
devastating hurricane to hit the U.S. in decades.
That debate has so far largely focused on race and class to explain
why tens of thousands of poor people were left behind to fend for
themselves in a flooding city. Liberals are now blaming
small-government conservatism for cutting "antipoverty" programs.
That's a tune a surprising number of people are starting to hum, from
NAACP chairman Julian Bond to New York Times columnist David Brooks,
who speculated recently that the storm will probably spark a new
progressive movement in America. The lyrics are still being written,
but the refrain for this ditty is a familiar one: Small government
conservatives did it to us again.

There is, however, another explanation: The welfare state failed the
residents of the Lower Ninth Ward and other flooded New Orleans
neighborhoods long before the levees gave way. This gets us back to
the question Sen. Kennedy wants Judge Roberts to answer about whether
to adopt a narrow view that prevents real progress from taking place.
And it also explains the role Mayor Ray Nagin and Gov. Kathleen
Blanco--both Democrats--played in leaving mostly poor, minority
citizens in a city that was clearly descending into chaos.





Anyone who has taken a non-drinking-binge tour of New Orleans,
venturing outside the French Quarter and Garden District, might have
noticed that New Orleans was a failing city. Tourism kept it, well,
afloat, but large swaths of the city were mired in poverty for
decades. One out of four New Orleans residents was living below the
poverty line, and tens of thousands of people were living in public
housing. These are the people who were left behind in the flood and
who have long been left behind by failing schools, lack of economic
opportunity, and crime well above the national average.
The Lower Ninth Ward was one section particularly hard it by the
blight of poverty. Another hit hard by both poverty and then the flood
was the Sixth Ward, home of the infamous Lafitte housing project.
Recently the murder of a teenager there sparked a high school class to
write short, locally published books about Lafitte's horrible living
conditions. One author and a Lafitte resident, Ashley Nelson, told NPR
on Friday that her friends and relatives still hadn't been able to
escape their flooded neighborhood.

That's not to say there was a lack of funding or even a lack of
interest in poverty "elimination" programs. For decades city, state
and federal officials poured good money after bad into public housing
and other programs. In the 1940s the Housing Authority of New Orleans
built several public housing apartment buildings near the French
Quarter. As the decades passed more money and more programs followed.
In 1993 the Clinton administration recognized that packing public
housing units into a small space didn't eliminate poverty, but it did
create ghettoes that were not well served by public transportation or
emergency services.

To solve the problem the Clinton administration launched the "Hope VI"
housing program which called for partnerships with private developers
to build "mixed income" housing. In 2001 one of the vintage 1940s
public housing buildings--the St. Thomas complex--was torn down and
replaced by a private development called River Gardens. It would be
interesting to know how many River Gardens residents got out of the
city ahead of the flood waters compared with those who lived in the
remaining public housing units nearby.

We still only have anecdotal evidence to go on, and we can be hopeful
as the death toll remains far below the thousands originally
predicted. But it's reasonable to surmise that Sen. Kennedy is correct
about those who wanted to leave: Most people who could arrange for
their own transportation got out of harm's way; those who depended on
the government (and public transportation) were left for days to the
mercy of armed thugs at the Superdome and Convention Center. It was an
extreme example of what the welfare state has done to the poor for
decades: use the promise of food, shelter and other necessities to
lure most of the poor to a few central points and then leave them
stranded and nearly helpless.

This isn't a failure of President Bush's compassionate conservatism.
Nor is it evidence that Ronald Reagan's philosophy of smaller
government is fatally flawed. If LBJ had won his war on poverty, Ninth
Ward residents would have had the means to drive themselves out of New
Orleans. Instead, after decades and billions of tax dollars have been
poured into big government programs, one out of four people in the Big
Easy were still poor. That is an indictment of the welfare state and
all its antipoverty programs.





It is time to break free of the narrow thinking that has prevented
progress for decades. It's time to rethink how we, as a society,
combat poverty. Are we going to try another big-government program and
expect better results this time? Or are we now going to realize that
ownership is the most likely path to the middle class? School vouchers
can help poor parents take ownership of their children's education and
finally break the grip teachers unions have on the public schools.
Health savings accounts and private accounts for Medicaid and Social
Security will give those on the lower rungs of the economic ladder the
skills as well as the assets necessary to climb higher. In late August
the levees broke in New Orleans. But the welfare state had left the
poor stuck in the mud long before that.
Mr. Miniter is assistant editor of OpinionJournal.com. His column
appears Tuesdays
--

Scott in Florida

How true Scott.

To bad it isn't "PC", the liberals can't see the problem. If these
folks had of been out of public housing and into being self-supporting
they would most likely had the means to get out of town. As it was,
the Mayor was waiting for the cavalry (his words) to rescue them.

Now the governor is blaming FEMA for not recovering bodies fast
enough - also blasting security at the superdome - FEMA ain't cops, I
really question if body recovery is a FEMA mission either.

Reminds me of the Head Start program, started to help 4 year olds get
prepared for kindergarten in the 60's - now evolved 40 years later
into, babysitting/daycare, healthcare, lunches for family and teaching
the mothers and grandmothers who probably went thru the program how to
feed and read to their children. This is an example to me of a well
meaning program that has gone crazy.

Ron

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 02:45:35 GMT, "ron" <really [email]good@serviceu.com[/email]>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>This is an example to me of a well
>meaning program that has gone crazy.[/color]

Most government programs are like that....LOL

Liberals are 'feel good' types.

As far as I know.....Liberals haven't solved a damned thing.

They bitch, moan and complain....but DO nothing.

--

Scott in Florida

Lets see, the levees belong to the Army Corp. of Engineering which is funded
by Fed. Social services for poor and elderly is also mainly funded by Feds
(Medicare, Medicaid, social security, etc.). So is democrats in power now?
Got to pay more attention to politics.

The arguments in this article doesn't make any sense other than personal
attacks.

"Scott in Florida" <JustAsk@Florida.com> wrote in message
news:mg0fi1dlck2fsi71q7c51acfljg09qtn1u@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> From the Wall Street Journal..
>
> LBJ's Other Quagmire
> Long before Katrina, the welfare state failed New Orleans's poor.
>
> BY BRENDAN MINITER
> Tuesday, September 13, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT
>
>
> "What the American people have seen in this incredible disparity in
> which those people who had cars and money got out, and those people
> who were impoverished died."
> The above comment about Hurricane Katrina comes to us from Ted
> Kennedy, who went on to say that the question for Chief
> Justice-designate John Roberts is whether he stands for "a fairer,
> more just nation" or will use "narrow, stingy interpretations of the
> law to frustrate progress." But why stop there? Sen. Kennedy is onto
> something and, indeed, the question isn't only for Judge Roberts. It's
> also one for the national debate now under way in the wake of the most
> devastating hurricane to hit the U.S. in decades.
> That debate has so far largely focused on race and class to explain
> why tens of thousands of poor people were left behind to fend for
> themselves in a flooding city. Liberals are now blaming
> small-government conservatism for cutting "antipoverty" programs.
> That's a tune a surprising number of people are starting to hum, from
> NAACP chairman Julian Bond to New York Times columnist David Brooks,
> who speculated recently that the storm will probably spark a new
> progressive movement in America. The lyrics are still being written,
> but the refrain for this ditty is a familiar one: Small government
> conservatives did it to us again.
>
> There is, however, another explanation: The welfare state failed the
> residents of the Lower Ninth Ward and other flooded New Orleans
> neighborhoods long before the levees gave way. This gets us back to
> the question Sen. Kennedy wants Judge Roberts to answer about whether
> to adopt a narrow view that prevents real progress from taking place.
> And it also explains the role Mayor Ray Nagin and Gov. Kathleen
> Blanco--both Democrats--played in leaving mostly poor, minority
> citizens in a city that was clearly descending into chaos.
>
>
>
>
>
> Anyone who has taken a non-drinking-binge tour of New Orleans,
> venturing outside the French Quarter and Garden District, might have
> noticed that New Orleans was a failing city. Tourism kept it, well,
> afloat, but large swaths of the city were mired in poverty for
> decades. One out of four New Orleans residents was living below the
> poverty line, and tens of thousands of people were living in public
> housing. These are the people who were left behind in the flood and
> who have long been left behind by failing schools, lack of economic
> opportunity, and crime well above the national average.
> The Lower Ninth Ward was one section particularly hard it by the
> blight of poverty. Another hit hard by both poverty and then the flood
> was the Sixth Ward, home of the infamous Lafitte housing project.
> Recently the murder of a teenager there sparked a high school class to
> write short, locally published books about Lafitte's horrible living
> conditions. One author and a Lafitte resident, Ashley Nelson, told NPR
> on Friday that her friends and relatives still hadn't been able to
> escape their flooded neighborhood.
>
> That's not to say there was a lack of funding or even a lack of
> interest in poverty "elimination" programs. For decades city, state
> and federal officials poured good money after bad into public housing
> and other programs. In the 1940s the Housing Authority of New Orleans
> built several public housing apartment buildings near the French
> Quarter. As the decades passed more money and more programs followed.
> In 1993 the Clinton administration recognized that packing public
> housing units into a small space didn't eliminate poverty, but it did
> create ghettoes that were not well served by public transportation or
> emergency services.
>
> To solve the problem the Clinton administration launched the "Hope VI"
> housing program which called for partnerships with private developers
> to build "mixed income" housing. In 2001 one of the vintage 1940s
> public housing buildings--the St. Thomas complex--was torn down and
> replaced by a private development called River Gardens. It would be
> interesting to know how many River Gardens residents got out of the
> city ahead of the flood waters compared with those who lived in the
> remaining public housing units nearby.
>
> We still only have anecdotal evidence to go on, and we can be hopeful
> as the death toll remains far below the thousands originally
> predicted. But it's reasonable to surmise that Sen. Kennedy is correct
> about those who wanted to leave: Most people who could arrange for
> their own transportation got out of harm's way; those who depended on
> the government (and public transportation) were left for days to the
> mercy of armed thugs at the Superdome and Convention Center. It was an
> extreme example of what the welfare state has done to the poor for
> decades: use the promise of food, shelter and other necessities to
> lure most of the poor to a few central points and then leave them
> stranded and nearly helpless.
>
> This isn't a failure of President Bush's compassionate conservatism.
> Nor is it evidence that Ronald Reagan's philosophy of smaller
> government is fatally flawed. If LBJ had won his war on poverty, Ninth
> Ward residents would have had the means to drive themselves out of New
> Orleans. Instead, after decades and billions of tax dollars have been
> poured into big government programs, one out of four people in the Big
> Easy were still poor. That is an indictment of the welfare state and
> all its antipoverty programs.
>
>
>
>
>
> It is time to break free of the narrow thinking that has prevented
> progress for decades. It's time to rethink how we, as a society,
> combat poverty. Are we going to try another big-government program and
> expect better results this time? Or are we now going to realize that
> ownership is the most likely path to the middle class? School vouchers
> can help poor parents take ownership of their children's education and
> finally break the grip teachers unions have on the public schools.
> Health savings accounts and private accounts for Medicaid and Social
> Security will give those on the lower rungs of the economic ladder the
> skills as well as the assets necessary to climb higher. In late August
> the levees broke in New Orleans. But the welfare state had left the
> poor stuck in the mud long before that.
> Mr. Miniter is assistant editor of OpinionJournal.com. His column
> appears Tuesdays
> --
>
> Scott in Florida[/color]

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 02:58:57 GMT, "XYZ ABC" <XYZ@abc.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Lets see, the levees belong to the Army Corp. of Engineering which is funded
>by Fed. Social services for poor and elderly is also mainly funded by Feds
>(Medicare, Medicaid, social security, etc.). So is democrats in power now?
>Got to pay more attention to politics.
>
>The arguments in this article doesn't make any sense other than personal
>attacks.[/color]

WTF are you trying to say?

Please put your crack pipe down and explain....

--

Scott in Florida

wrong Scott!

Al Gore invented the internet, Ted Kennedy learned to swim while
drunk, and just last week, Al Gore solved global warming - Bush caused
it.

Bush caused: the glacial retreats that made the great lakes? Caused
the Sahara desert? Dried up the "fertile crescent"? Now he is even
to blame for the hurricanes being on a stronger cycle.



Ron

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:43:25 GMT, "ron" <really [email]good@serviceu.com[/email]>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>wrong Scott!
>
>Al Gore invented the internet, Ted Kennedy learned to swim while
>drunk, and just last week, Al Gore solved global warming - Bush caused
>it.
>
>Bush caused: the glacial retreats that made the great lakes? Caused
>the Sahara desert? Dried up the "fertile crescent"? Now he is even
>to blame for the hurricanes being on a stronger cycle.
>
>
>
>Ron[/color]

That Bush sure is a strong fella....

--

Scott in Florida

In article <285hi1hqfvbtu8psjsipo2qqfubsql6vvv@4ax.com>,
Scott in Florida <JustAsk@Florida.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:43:25 GMT, "ron" <really [email]good@serviceu.com[/email]>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >wrong Scott!
> >
> >Al Gore invented the internet, Ted Kennedy learned to swim while
> >drunk, and just last week, Al Gore solved global warming - Bush caused
> >it.
> >
> >Bush caused: the glacial retreats that made the great lakes? Caused
> >the Sahara desert? Dried up the "fertile crescent"? Now he is even
> >to blame for the hurricanes being on a stronger cycle.
> >
> >
> >
> >Ron[/color]
>
> That Bush sure is a strong fella....[/color]

Bush is also responsible for the X class solar flare today which will
cause some great Northern lights tonight. You may even see them as far
South as Fl. Take a peak if you have a dark sky. Look North, LOL...

Bush IS a very powerful president.
--

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:34:40 GMT, "\"Dbu''" <nttspam@s2-pc.om> wrote:
[color=blue]
>In article <285hi1hqfvbtu8psjsipo2qqfubsql6vvv@4ax.com>,
> Scott in Florida <JustAsk@Florida.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:43:25 GMT, "ron" <really [email]good@serviceu.com[/email]>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> >wrong Scott!
>> >
>> >Al Gore invented the internet, Ted Kennedy learned to swim while
>> >drunk, and just last week, Al Gore solved global warming - Bush caused
>> >it.
>> >
>> >Bush caused: the glacial retreats that made the great lakes? Caused
>> >the Sahara desert? Dried up the "fertile crescent"? Now he is even
>> >to blame for the hurricanes being on a stronger cycle.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Ron[/color]
>>
>> That Bush sure is a strong fella....[/color]
>
>Bush is also responsible for the X class solar flare today which will
>cause some great Northern lights tonight. You may even see them as far
>South as Fl. Take a peak if you have a dark sky. Look North, LOL...
>
>Bush IS a very powerful president.[/color]

LOL...

Hey are you gonna get a DVR from Dish?

I just love mine....perfect for my 'multiple path brain'....LOL

hmmmm we have a city north of me....but maybe I'll see it when I ride
to the beach to add some yellow water to the gulf tomorrow morning...

--

Scott in Florida

In article <mg7hi1hpehl5qp4ofab3p2u23srv9ki686@4ax.com>,
Scott in Florida <JustAsk@Florida.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:34:40 GMT, "\"Dbu''" <nttspam@s2-pc.om> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >In article <285hi1hqfvbtu8psjsipo2qqfubsql6vvv@4ax.com>,
> > Scott in Florida <JustAsk@Florida.com> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:43:25 GMT, "ron" <really [email]good@serviceu.com[/email]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >wrong Scott!
> >> >
> >> >Al Gore invented the internet, Ted Kennedy learned to swim while
> >> >drunk, and just last week, Al Gore solved global warming - Bush caused
> >> >it.
> >> >
> >> >Bush caused: the glacial retreats that made the great lakes? Caused
> >> >the Sahara desert? Dried up the "fertile crescent"? Now he is even
> >> >to blame for the hurricanes being on a stronger cycle.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Ron
> >>
> >> That Bush sure is a strong fella....[/color]
> >
> >Bush is also responsible for the X class solar flare today which will
> >cause some great Northern lights tonight. You may even see them as far
> >South as Fl. Take a peak if you have a dark sky. Look North, LOL...
> >
> >Bush IS a very powerful president.[/color]
>
> LOL...
>
> Hey are you gonna get a DVR from Dish?
>
> I just love mine....perfect for my 'multiple path brain'....LOL
>
> hmmmm we have a city north of me....but maybe I'll see it when I ride
> to the beach to add some yellow water to the gulf tomorrow morning...[/color]

Yellow water, LOL. It's saltwater so no problem besides the yellow
water you speak of, if I have it right, is sterile.

Yes, I got a refurbished 501 and a second one will be here tomorrow. It
has a one year warranty and works great for recording up to about 40
hours of programs. It does not have the capability of watching another
channel and recording a different channel. Your 522 can do that. The
501 does not require $5 DVR charge however. The 522 is about $330 the
501 is $130. So far we're happy with the 501.
--

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:25:29 GMT, "\"Dbu''" <nttspam@s2-pc.om> wrote:
[color=blue]
>In article <mg7hi1hpehl5qp4ofab3p2u23srv9ki686@4ax.com>,
> Scott in Florida <JustAsk@Florida.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:34:40 GMT, "\"Dbu''" <nttspam@s2-pc.om> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> >In article <285hi1hqfvbtu8psjsipo2qqfubsql6vvv@4ax.com>,
>> > Scott in Florida <JustAsk@Florida.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:43:25 GMT, "ron" <really [email]good@serviceu.com[/email]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >wrong Scott!
>> >> >
>> >> >Al Gore invented the internet, Ted Kennedy learned to swim while
>> >> >drunk, and just last week, Al Gore solved global warming - Bush caused
>> >> >it.
>> >> >
>> >> >Bush caused: the glacial retreats that made the great lakes? Caused
>> >> >the Sahara desert? Dried up the "fertile crescent"? Now he is even
>> >> >to blame for the hurricanes being on a stronger cycle.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Ron
>> >>
>> >> That Bush sure is a strong fella....
>> >
>> >Bush is also responsible for the X class solar flare today which will
>> >cause some great Northern lights tonight. You may even see them as far
>> >South as Fl. Take a peak if you have a dark sky. Look North, LOL...
>> >
>> >Bush IS a very powerful president.[/color]
>>
>> LOL...
>>
>> Hey are you gonna get a DVR from Dish?
>>
>> I just love mine....perfect for my 'multiple path brain'....LOL
>>
>> hmmmm we have a city north of me....but maybe I'll see it when I ride
>> to the beach to add some yellow water to the gulf tomorrow morning...[/color]
>
>Yellow water, LOL. It's saltwater so no problem besides the yellow
>water you speak of, if I have it right, is sterile.[/color]

Well the yellow water is run thru my kidneys before it is presented to
the gulf....and the last blood tests indicated that the kidneys are
doing their job...

[color=blue]
>
>Yes, I got a refurbished 501 and a second one will be here tomorrow. It
>has a one year warranty and works great for recording up to about 40
>hours of programs. It does not have the capability of watching another
>channel and recording a different channel. Your 522 can do that. The
>501 does not require $5 DVR charge however. The 522 is about $330 the
>501 is $130. So far we're happy with the 501.[/color]

I just love mine...(well love is a bit much...LOL).

Like all 'toys' it does have a couple of faults, but I learned some
work around's for that.

Originally, I had Direct TV and was reasonably happy with it.

Dish Network made me a deal I could not turn down....free 522 with no
yearly contract required. I've found it to be perfect for our needs.

btw having a few things recorded gets you over the few times you lose
signal due to high clouds in the southern sky...




--

Scott in Florida

In article <h6ahi11t5kref9jor1b82u6mq83usemt0u@4ax.com>,
Scott in Florida <JustAsk@Florida.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:25:29 GMT, "\"Dbu''" <nttspam@s2-pc.om> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >In article <mg7hi1hpehl5qp4ofab3p2u23srv9ki686@4ax.com>,
> > Scott in Florida <JustAsk@Florida.com> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:34:40 GMT, "\"Dbu''" <nttspam@s2-pc.om> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <285hi1hqfvbtu8psjsipo2qqfubsql6vvv@4ax.com>,
> >> > Scott in Florida <JustAsk@Florida.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:43:25 GMT, "ron" <really [email]good@serviceu.com[/email]>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >wrong Scott!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Al Gore invented the internet, Ted Kennedy learned to swim while
> >> >> >drunk, and just last week, Al Gore solved global warming - Bush caused
> >> >> >it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Bush caused: the glacial retreats that made the great lakes? Caused
> >> >> >the Sahara desert? Dried up the "fertile crescent"? Now he is even
> >> >> >to blame for the hurricanes being on a stronger cycle.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Ron
> >> >>
> >> >> That Bush sure is a strong fella....
> >> >
> >> >Bush is also responsible for the X class solar flare today which will
> >> >cause some great Northern lights tonight. You may even see them as far
> >> >South as Fl. Take a peak if you have a dark sky. Look North, LOL...
> >> >
> >> >Bush IS a very powerful president.
> >>
> >> LOL...
> >>
> >> Hey are you gonna get a DVR from Dish?
> >>
> >> I just love mine....perfect for my 'multiple path brain'....LOL
> >>
> >> hmmmm we have a city north of me....but maybe I'll see it when I ride
> >> to the beach to add some yellow water to the gulf tomorrow morning...[/color]
> >
> >Yellow water, LOL. It's saltwater so no problem besides the yellow
> >water you speak of, if I have it right, is sterile.[/color]
>
> Well the yellow water is run thru my kidneys before it is presented to
> the gulf....and the last blood tests indicated that the kidneys are
> doing their job...
>
>[color=green]
> >
> >Yes, I got a refurbished 501 and a second one will be here tomorrow. It
> >has a one year warranty and works great for recording up to about 40
> >hours of programs. It does not have the capability of watching another
> >channel and recording a different channel. Your 522 can do that. The
> >501 does not require $5 DVR charge however. The 522 is about $330 the
> >501 is $130. So far we're happy with the 501.[/color]
>
> I just love mine...(well love is a bit much...LOL).
>
> Like all 'toys' it does have a couple of faults, but I learned some
> work around's for that.
>
> Originally, I had Direct TV and was reasonably happy with it.
>
> Dish Network made me a deal I could not turn down....free 522 with no
> yearly contract required. I've found it to be perfect for our needs.
>
> btw having a few things recorded gets you over the few times you lose
> signal due to high clouds in the southern sky...[/color]

We have good signal here, (Dish 500 X2 birds) 100 plus, but interrupted
by rain or snow fade occasionally.

As a freebe that was a hell of a deal.
--

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:07:36 GMT, "\"Dbu''" <nttspam@s2-pc.om> wrote:
[color=blue]
>In article <h6ahi11t5kref9jor1b82u6mq83usemt0u@4ax.com>,
> Scott in Florida <JustAsk@Florida.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:25:29 GMT, "\"Dbu''" <nttspam@s2-pc.om> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> >In article <mg7hi1hpehl5qp4ofab3p2u23srv9ki686@4ax.com>,
>> > Scott in Florida <JustAsk@Florida.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:34:40 GMT, "\"Dbu''" <nttspam@s2-pc.om> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <285hi1hqfvbtu8psjsipo2qqfubsql6vvv@4ax.com>,
>> >> > Scott in Florida <JustAsk@Florida.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:43:25 GMT, "ron" <really [email]good@serviceu.com[/email]>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >wrong Scott!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Al Gore invented the internet, Ted Kennedy learned to swim while
>> >> >> >drunk, and just last week, Al Gore solved global warming - Bush caused
>> >> >> >it.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Bush caused: the glacial retreats that made the great lakes? Caused
>> >> >> >the Sahara desert? Dried up the "fertile crescent"? Now he is even
>> >> >> >to blame for the hurricanes being on a stronger cycle.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Ron
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That Bush sure is a strong fella....
>> >> >
>> >> >Bush is also responsible for the X class solar flare today which will
>> >> >cause some great Northern lights tonight. You may even see them as far
>> >> >South as Fl. Take a peak if you have a dark sky. Look North, LOL...
>> >> >
>> >> >Bush IS a very powerful president.
>> >>
>> >> LOL...
>> >>
>> >> Hey are you gonna get a DVR from Dish?
>> >>
>> >> I just love mine....perfect for my 'multiple path brain'....LOL
>> >>
>> >> hmmmm we have a city north of me....but maybe I'll see it when I ride
>> >> to the beach to add some yellow water to the gulf tomorrow morning...
>> >
>> >Yellow water, LOL. It's saltwater so no problem besides the yellow
>> >water you speak of, if I have it right, is sterile.[/color]
>>
>> Well the yellow water is run thru my kidneys before it is presented to
>> the gulf....and the last blood tests indicated that the kidneys are
>> doing their job...
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>> >
>> >Yes, I got a refurbished 501 and a second one will be here tomorrow. It
>> >has a one year warranty and works great for recording up to about 40
>> >hours of programs. It does not have the capability of watching another
>> >channel and recording a different channel. Your 522 can do that. The
>> >501 does not require $5 DVR charge however. The 522 is about $330 the
>> >501 is $130. So far we're happy with the 501.[/color]
>>
>> I just love mine...(well love is a bit much...LOL).
>>
>> Like all 'toys' it does have a couple of faults, but I learned some
>> work around's for that.
>>
>> Originally, I had Direct TV and was reasonably happy with it.
>>
>> Dish Network made me a deal I could not turn down....free 522 with no
>> yearly contract required. I've found it to be perfect for our needs.
>>
>> btw having a few things recorded gets you over the few times you lose
>> signal due to high clouds in the southern sky...[/color]
>
>We have good signal here, (Dish 500 X2 birds) 100 plus, but interrupted
>by rain or snow fade occasionally.
>
>As a freebe that was a hell of a deal.[/color]

I left my Direct TV antenna up.....so I now have THREE little
satellite antennas on the back of the house...LOL

The guy that came in to pump concrete under my pool deck asked if I
was into the stock market... <g>

Yes it is a hell of a deal. Direct TV calls about once a week wanting
me to come back....but I think I'll stay with Dish.

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Scott in Florida

I like the sound of that DVR at that price. Was it on the Dishtv
site? I've had Dish about-6 years and like was said except brief fuzz
in heavy rain or when snow builds up (boom works good), I'm much
happier than with cable.
I've 3 receivers, 180 + locals and under 60/month. My mom gets
about20-25 cable (basic) and is 38. Next "tier" add 15 or so and
jumps to about 60. To get roughly 90 channels she would be about
90/month. Flat unreasonable for an 87 yo lady to spend that much for
TV.

In article <S_lWe.2283$3V6.2004@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
"ron" <really [email]good@serviceu.com[/email]> wrote:
[color=blue]
> I like the sound of that DVR at that price. Was it on the Dishtv
> site? I've had Dish about-6 years and like was said except brief fuzz
> in heavy rain or when snow builds up (boom works good), I'm much
> happier than with cable.
> I've 3 receivers, 180 + locals and under 60/month. My mom gets
> about20-25 cable (basic) and is 38. Next "tier" add 15 or so and
> jumps to about 60. To get roughly 90 channels she would be about
> 90/month. Flat unreasonable for an 87 yo lady to spend that much for
> TV.[/color]

Satellite One in Iowa. I think it's a mom and pop operation. I bought
my whole system from them years ago and installed it myself. They seem
to be good folks, you might have a bit of a time getting hold of them
though. Just leave a message and/or email, they'll get back to you.

[url]http://www.satelliteone.com/[/url]
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