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Old 09-30-2005, 10:59 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Tires too big to pass inspection? Can I make the fenders wider?

OK folks, I am a little desperate here...
I took my recently purchased USED 98 Tacoma to the Washington DC DMV,
and was told that I failed inspection because the tires extruded beyond
the side of the vehicle.

Now, I have looked, and the tires I have, are optional equipment at
time of purchase (31x10 .5R15LT). So I don't really think I should
have to go out and buy a new set.

Has anybody had this problem in their locale?
Can I buy wheel well thingamabobbers that make them stick out? I have
seen trucks with these plastic things around the wells.

Any sort of info/commiseration would go a long way for me today.

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Old 09-30-2005, 11:01 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Tires too big to pass inspection? Can I make the fenders wider?

On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:59:40 -0700, ryegrove wrote:
[color=blue]
> OK folks, I am a little desperate here...
> I took my recently purchased USED 98 Tacoma to the Washington DC DMV,
> and was told that I failed inspection because the tires extruded beyond
> the side of the vehicle.
>
> Now, I have looked, and the tires I have, are optional equipment at
> time of purchase (31x10 .5R15LT). So I don't really think I should
> have to go out and buy a new set.
>
> Has anybody had this problem in their locale?
> Can I buy wheel well thingamabobbers that make them stick out? I have
> seen trucks with these plastic things around the wells.
>
> Any sort of info/commiseration would go a long way for me today.[/color]


Yeah, you can buy fender flares thet extend the fender out to cover the
tire. This works in Mass...

Check your local laws.
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Old 09-30-2005, 11:19 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Tires too big to pass inspection? Can I make the fenders wider?

Thanks. I am trying to find the right Fender Flares...seems that they
are about $300(?). The problem with checking the local laws is that I
can't find anywhere that says the tires cannot extrude beyond side of
vehicle. Maybe I am not looking at the right law, but this is the only
thing I can find:

[url]http://dmv.dc.gov/serv/inspection/inspect_req.shtm[/url]

they claimed on the inspection that I had "Mixed Tire Types" which is
untrue...

Again, thanks for the message.

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Old 09-30-2005, 11:43 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Tires too big to pass inspection? Can I make the fenders wider?

ryegrove wrote:
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> Has anybody had this problem in their locale?[/color]

For what it's worth, Jeep wasn't able to sell brand new Libertys with
the overhead light option in certain states because the lights were too
high from the pavement. <G>

That said, almost every state I've been in has a law requiring the tires
to be enclosed by fenders, and/or flares. Some enforce it, most don't.

Do you have any information about previous registrations on the truck?
Are you lucky enough to have the original window sticker?

If you're a lucky and polite enough to get a reasonable inspector, maybe
you can convince them that the state has registered the vehicle.
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Old 09-30-2005, 12:14 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Tires too big to pass inspection? Can I make the fenders wider?

Barry,
Thanks also.
I did a carfax report, and unfortunately the vehicle was registered in
NJ and VA before, not DC.
I've worked with DC people before, and think that I am going to have to
suck it up and buy flares.

Man....a $7500 truck with 150K miles on it is going to end up costing
me closer to 10K with taxes/flares/brake-tranny work that it needs and
I didn't uncover.

Take the advice of the experts and have vehicles inspected/reviewed
before buying them. No MATTER how much you want it.
Thanks again!

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Old 09-30-2005, 04:06 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Tires too big to pass inspection? Can I make the fenders wider?


ryegrove wrote:[color=blue]
> Thanks. I am trying to find the right Fender Flares...seems that they
> are about $300(?).[/color]

just go to a garden supply store and get the rubber border that people
put between their garden and the lawn. it's a 2-3" wide piece of
rubber that's something like 30-50 cents per foot. then just screw
that to your fenders. it's a cheap way to get fender flares. i've
seen some people do it so nicely it looks factory.

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Old 09-30-2005, 05:17 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Tires too big to pass inspection? Can I make the fenders wider?

On 30 Sep 2005 14:06:10 -0700, "Mike Deskevich"
<mikedeskevich@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
>ryegrove wrote:[color=green]
>> Thanks. I am trying to find the right Fender Flares...seems that they
>> are about $300(?).[/color]
>
>just go to a garden supply store and get the rubber border that people
>put between their garden and the lawn. it's a 2-3" wide piece of
>rubber that's something like 30-50 cents per foot. then just screw
>that to your fenders. it's a cheap way to get fender flares. i've
>seen some people do it so nicely it looks factory.[/color]

Do you live in Rio Linda?

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Old 09-30-2005, 08:37 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Tires too big to pass inspection? Can I make the fenders wider?

On 30 Sep 2005 09:19:34 -0700, "ryegrove" <gdogcua@yahoo.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Thanks. I am trying to find the right Fender Flares...seems that they
>are about $300(?). The problem with checking the local laws is that I
>can't find anywhere that says the tires cannot extrude beyond side of
>vehicle. Maybe I am not looking at the right law, but this is the only
>thing I can find:
>
>[url]http://dmv.dc.gov/serv/inspection/inspect_req.shtm[/url]
>
>they claimed on the inspection that I had "Mixed Tire Types" which is
>untrue...[/color]

First, realize there are some people working as 'Official Government
Inspectors' that get their rocks off by making trouble for the people
they interact with, some quite literally. Getting the job as a City
Code Enforcement Officer is probably why the BTK Killer stopped
killing for many years - he could make trouble for them much easier.

First thing I would have done is demanded a printed hard-copy of the
regulation they claim you are in violation of, or failing that an
exact code title and section number that you can research yourself
down at the local library. They can't just invent new rules on the
fly, they have to follow the Vehicle Code or other codified inspection
criteria. There might even be a book with charts and photographic
examples of what passes and fails.

"Mixed tire types" is a rather ambiguous term that implies you have
Super Swamper 31x10.50-15 bias-ply on the rear and P235-15 LTX radials
on the front...

Are all four tires the same size, brand and model? That might be what
they are complaining about, because there can be severe handling
problems if there are different tires either front to back or side to
side - if one end has performance tires that want to stick during
vigorous cornering and the other end has cheapies that want to skid,
and you aren't ready to deal with a car going sideways, you can end up
in a heap of trouble.

If you change tires to get around this one, save the old ones at
home rather than throw out good tires - once you get it registered,
you might be able to swap them back on to the car and get the rest of
the wear out of them. Put the best or "stickiest" tires on the front
axle, it does most of the work in steering and stopping.

If the back end gets happy in a turn, most experienced drivers can
handle it without breaking a sweat. And if you aren't experienced in
skid control yet you know it can happen, and at least you can be ready
for a learning experience to happen... ;-)

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Old 10-01-2005, 10:51 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Tires too big to pass inspection? Can I make the fenders wider?



Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
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> On 30 Sep 2005 09:19:34 -0700, "ryegrove" <gdogcua@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>Thanks. I am trying to find the right Fender Flares...seems that they
>>are about $300(?). The problem with checking the local laws is that I
>>can't find anywhere that says the tires cannot extrude beyond side of
>>vehicle. Maybe I am not looking at the right law, but this is the only
>>thing I can find:
>>
>>[url]http://dmv.dc.gov/serv/inspection/inspect_req.shtm[/url]
>>
>>they claimed on the inspection that I had "Mixed Tire Types" which is
>>untrue...
>>[/color]
>
> First, realize there are some people working as 'Official Government
> Inspectors' that get their rocks off by making trouble for the people
> they interact with, some quite literally. Getting the job as a City
> Code Enforcement Officer is probably why the BTK Killer stopped
> killing for many years - he could make trouble for them much easier.
>
> First thing I would have done is demanded a printed hard-copy of the
> regulation they claim you are in violation of, or failing that an
> exact code title and section number that you can research yourself
> down at the local library. They can't just invent new rules on the
> fly, they have to follow the Vehicle Code or other codified inspection
> criteria. <Snip>[/color]


They can do anything they want - until they get caught. Other
government agencies like the police have done this, prompting changes in
state laws. An example is a citizen requesting approval and passing all
of the requirements to carry a concealed handgun - and being denied for
no reason. This included former police officer and judges who have very
good reasons to continue carrying a handgun. Most states modified the
laws to require the police department to explicitly explain what part of
the requirements the applicant failed to pass. Now, if you think a
police department has to be forced by state law to stop messing with
their former buddies, do you think a DMV is going to be any better to
someone they don't know?

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Old 10-04-2005, 02:37 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Re: Re: Tires too big to pass inspection? Can I make the fenders

"" wrote:[color=blue]
> ryegrove wrote:[color=green]
> > Thanks. I am trying to find the right Fender Flares...seems[/color]
> that they[color=green]
> > are about $300(?).[/color]
>
> just go to a garden supply store and get the rubber border
> that people
> put between their garden and the lawn. it's a 2-3" wide piece
> of
> rubber that's something like 30-50 cents per foot. then just
> screw
> that to your fenders. it's a cheap way to get fender flares.
> i've
> seen some people do it so nicely it looks factory.[/color]

find a friend with smaller tires, put them on, run through inspection,
then put you orignal ones back on. you risk a ticket, but most states
really never enforce it aslong as its not to over the top.

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