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#1 Old 08-31-2005, 06:15 AM
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05 Camry: what oil to use?

The "new" Camry needs to go in for it's first oil change. It gets driven
about 15K miles a year and I intend to get the oil changed (at a very
competent independent mechanic) every 5K miles. The car is in NC and the
driving is about a 50-50 mix of city and highway driving. I expect to keep
the car 8 years or 120000 miles. That being said should use conventional
oil or one of the more expensive synthetics?

Any opinions would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Russell


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#2 Old 08-31-2005, 07:36 AM
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Re: 05 Camry: what oil to use?

> The "new" Camry needs to go in for it's first oil change. It gets driven[color=blue]
> about 15K miles a year and I intend to get the oil changed (at a very
> competent independent mechanic) every 5K miles. The car is in NC and the
> driving is about a 50-50 mix of city and highway driving. I expect to
> keep the car 8 years or 120000 miles. That being said should use
> conventional oil or one of the more expensive synthetics?[/color]

Answering the question is answering it. Of course, use synthetics. But good
quality synthetics.
And while you are there, use it in the transmission as well.
Wait untill your car is broken in.


#3 Old 08-31-2005, 09:33 AM
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Re: 05 Camry: what oil to use?


"Russell" <russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:WqfRe.4575$9i4.3019@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> The "new" Camry needs to go in for it's first oil change. It gets driven
> about 15K miles a year and I intend to get the oil changed (at a very
> competent independent mechanic) every 5K miles. The car is in NC and the
> driving is about a 50-50 mix of city and highway driving. I expect to[/color]
keep[color=blue]
> the car 8 years or 120000 miles. That being said should use conventional
> oil or one of the more expensive synthetics?
>
> Any opinions would be appreciated.[/color]

Any good quality oil should be more than sufficient to make only 120,000
miles if you change it every 5000 miles. I have always been satisfied with
Havoline. My Sister has a 1997 Civic. It is just now passing 110,000 miles.
Her oil has been changed whenever the oil change indicator built into the
odometer turns red (which is about every 7500 miles). Her driving is around
50/50 as well. The rest of the car is looking old (paint fading, falling
off, interior worn) but the engine is just fine. Synthetics provide a an
extra margin of protection, but I doubt synthetic oil is economically
justifiable in a relatively mild climate like NC unless you just want to
feel good about the quality of the oil. If you are going to use synthetic
oil, I'd go with Mobil 1.

Ed


#4 Old 08-31-2005, 07:45 PM
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Re: 05 Camry: what oil to use?

I'd wait til you have more like 10k miles on it to switch to Mobile 1. I
use Penn crude (Quakerstate, Kendall, Pennsoil, Castrol) personnally but I
change ever 3-4k. Use a quality oil filter --- not a <$5 one -- OEM ones are
good, Modile makes one, K&N.

"Russell" <russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:WqfRe.4575$9i4.3019@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> The "new" Camry needs to go in for it's first oil change. It gets driven
> about 15K miles a year and I intend to get the oil changed (at a very
> competent independent mechanic) every 5K miles. The car is in NC and the
> driving is about a 50-50 mix of city and highway driving. I expect to
> keep the car 8 years or 120000 miles. That being said should use
> conventional oil or one of the more expensive synthetics?
>
> Any opinions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Russell
>[/color]


#5 Old 08-31-2005, 10:05 PM
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Re: 05 Camry: what oil to use?

> Answering the question is answering it. Of course, use synthetics. But[color=blue]
> good[/color]

Of course, I meant "asking the question".... LOL


#6 Old 09-01-2005, 10:19 PM
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Re: 05 Camry: what oil to use?

My mechanic only uses Toyota filters - so that's what I'll be using. The
car has 1200 miles on it. He suggested the first oil change at about 1500
miles. What's the reason for waiting till about 10K miles to switch to a
synthetic?

Russell

"Wolfgang" <NOwolfgangdieterSPAM@cox.net> wrote in message
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> I'd wait til you have more like 10k miles on it to switch to Mobile 1. I
> use Penn crude (Quakerstate, Kendall, Pennsoil, Castrol) personnally but I
> change ever 3-4k. Use a quality oil filter --- not a <$5 one -- OEM ones
> are good, Modile makes one, K&N.
>
> "Russell" <russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:WqfRe.4575$9i4.3019@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=green]
>> The "new" Camry needs to go in for it's first oil change. It gets driven
>> about 15K miles a year and I intend to get the oil changed (at a very
>> competent independent mechanic) every 5K miles. The car is in NC and the
>> driving is about a 50-50 mix of city and highway driving. I expect to
>> keep the car 8 years or 120000 miles. That being said should use
>> conventional oil or one of the more expensive synthetics?
>>
>> Any opinions would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Russell
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]


#7 Old 09-02-2005, 08:58 AM
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Re: 05 Camry: what oil to use?


"Russell" <russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote in message
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> My mechanic only uses Toyota filters - so that's what I'll be using. The
> car has 1200 miles on it. He suggested the first oil change at about 1500
> miles. What's the reason for waiting till about 10K miles to switch to a
> synthetic?[/color]

When synthetics first came in to common usage there was a theory that they
were so slick that they prevented proper break-in of piston rings, which
could lead to excessive oil consumption. It was probably BS then and is
definitely BS now. If you want to use synthetics, there is no reason not to
switch at your first oil change.

See [url]http://www.mobil1.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Synthetics/Myths.aspx[/url]

Ed


#8 Old 09-03-2005, 06:51 AM
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Re: 05 Camry: what oil to use?

You can easily use regular oil. Synthetics will be overkill and expensive
in your non-turbocharged application. Every 5k miles is fine with "dino
juice".


"Russell" <russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:WqfRe.4575$9i4.3019@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> The "new" Camry needs to go in for it's first oil change. It gets driven
> about 15K miles a year and I intend to get the oil changed (at a very
> competent independent mechanic) every 5K miles. The car is in NC and the
> driving is about a 50-50 mix of city and highway driving. I expect to
> keep the car 8 years or 120000 miles. That being said should use
> conventional oil or one of the more expensive synthetics?
>
> Any opinions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Russell
>[/color]


#9 Old 09-03-2005, 07:27 AM
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Re: 05 Camry: what oil to use?

> "Russell" <russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote in message[color=blue]
> news:WqfRe.4575$9i4.3019@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=green]
>> The "new" Camry needs to go in for it's first oil change. It gets driven
>> about 15K miles a year and I intend to get the oil changed (at a very
>> competent independent mechanic) every 5K miles. The car is in NC and the
>> driving is about a 50-50 mix of city and highway driving. I expect to
>> keep the car 8 years or 120000 miles. That being said should use
>> conventional oil or one of the more expensive synthetics?
>>
>> Any opinions would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Russell
>>[/color][/color]

If you absolutely cannot afford a full synthetic (recommended) at least use
a synthetic blend. You would be better off using full synthetic and changing
oil at every 7500 miles, rather than using conventional oil changed at 5000
miles (that will offset some of the extra cost).

Use 5W-30 oil regardless of which type you choose. You can consider
switching to a heavier viscosity when your engine gets a lot of miles and
the valves/rings are showing some serious wear.


#10 Old 09-03-2005, 11:21 AM
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Re: 05 Camry: what oil to use?

is your car not equipped with an owners manual?
can you not READ it?


"Russell" <russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:WqfRe.4575$9i4.3019@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> The "new" Camry needs to go in for it's first oil change. It gets driven
> about 15K miles a year and I intend to get the oil changed (at a very
> competent independent mechanic) every 5K miles. The car is in NC and the
> driving is about a 50-50 mix of city and highway driving. I expect to[/color]
keep[color=blue]
> the car 8 years or 120000 miles. That being said should use conventional
> oil or one of the more expensive synthetics?
>
> Any opinions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Russell
>
>[/color]


#11 Old 09-03-2005, 06:17 PM
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Re: 05 Camry: what oil to use?

> You can easily use regular oil. Synthetics will be overkill and expensive[color=blue]
> in your non-turbocharged application. Every 5k miles is fine with "dino
> juice".[/color]

Dino oil is, indeed fine but, synthetics reduce friction and heat. So, you
get better fuel consumption, less wear and better use of the engine's
available power.

Other than that, dino oil is just fine. (rolling eyes)


#12 Old 09-03-2005, 10:03 PM
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Re: 05 Camry: what oil to use?

I agree with Russell.
Unless you have a defiant need for synthetic why pay the extra money ?
Would be over kill.
I have a 02 Camry that has been raised on Chevron 5/30 dino.Runs like a
top.
Best car I ever had.

Of course it's super Lo mileage (7,500).
I'm retired since "94".Was a Mobil One
salesman for five years,so I'm very familiar with what synthetics can
do.
Good Luck with your 05.


#13 Old 09-03-2005, 11:18 PM
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"Bassplayer12" <perettij@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:gipSe.84714$Ph4.2680676@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...[color=blue][color=green]
>> You can easily use regular oil. Synthetics will be overkill and
>> expensive in your non-turbocharged application. Every 5k miles is fine
>> with "dino juice".[/color]
>
> Dino oil is, indeed fine but, synthetics reduce friction and heat. So, you
> get better fuel consumption, less wear and better use of the engine's
> available power.
>
> Other than that, dino oil is just fine. (rolling eyes)[/color]

Like any of that is measurable. He's keeping the car for 120,000 miles, not
320.


#14 Old 09-03-2005, 11:30 PM
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Re: 05 Camry: what oil to use?

Might be old thinking - but gas mileage seems to improve on Toyota after 10k
so seems tlike there is some break in during the first 10k or so miles. Not
to have the rings properly seat would be disaterous - hence the 10k caution
on using synthetic. Toyota does recommend (but not in the OEM owners
manual) synthetic in those years where engine sludging was a problem.
Synthetics keep the engine very clean internally.

"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Russell" <russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:3FORe.5738$FW1.118@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=green]
>> My mechanic only uses Toyota filters - so that's what I'll be using. The
>> car has 1200 miles on it. He suggested the first oil change at about
>> 1500 miles. What's the reason for waiting till about 10K miles to switch
>> to a synthetic?[/color]
>
> When synthetics first came in to common usage there was a theory that they
> were so slick that they prevented proper break-in of piston rings, which
> could lead to excessive oil consumption. It was probably BS then and is
> definitely BS now. If you want to use synthetics, there is no reason not
> to switch at your first oil change.
>
> See [url]http://www.mobil1.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Synthetics/Myths.aspx[/url]
>
> Ed
>[/color]


#15 Old 09-04-2005, 08:04 AM
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Re: 05 Camry: what oil to use?

My dear, is there any thing in my post that leads you to believe that I've
not read the manual? Let me not waste any more effort on this genius.

To all the other helpful folk: thanks for all the feedback. According to
the 2005 manual, I need to change the oil every 5000 miles (or 6 months) -
with no exception given for synthetics. And since the car gets driven 15000
miles a year it means three oil changes to maintain the warranty. In fact
the manual has no mention of synthetics, which is what motivated my original
post since I intend to keep the car for 8 years (120000 miles) I should
have mentioned this before as I'm not sure all are familiar with the 5000
mile requirement (which if I remember correctly my '97 Camry didn't have).

Thanks,

Russell

"I'm Right" <ImRight@urWrong.net> wrote in message
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> is your car not equipped with an owners manual?
> can you not READ it?
>
>
> "Russell" <russell7702REMOVE@THISearthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:WqfRe.4575$9i4.3019@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=green]
>> The "new" Camry needs to go in for it's first oil change. It gets driven
>> about 15K miles a year and I intend to get the oil changed (at a very
>> competent independent mechanic) every 5K miles. The car is in NC and the
>> driving is about a 50-50 mix of city and highway driving. I expect to[/color]
> keep[color=green]
>> the car 8 years or 120000 miles. That being said should use conventional
>> oil or one of the more expensive synthetics?
>>
>> Any opinions would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Russell
>>
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]


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