Do remote starters work on manual tranmissions?

I own a 03 tacoma manual 5 speed. Is there any after market remote
starters out there for the manuals?

OF course they would work, But the risk of injury and damage is great! You
would have to be positve that the truck was in neutral and the E brake was
set.. Remote starters are notmade for vehicles with manula trannys, and they
say so on the packaging. But thats not to say it won't work.
Searcher

"Brian" <brianinmilo@webtv.net> wrote in message
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>I own a 03 tacoma manual 5 speed. Is there any after market remote
> starters out there for the manuals?
>[/color]

No. How would the stater know the vehicle is not in gear?

Hey, I never thought about a clutch cut off switch. Used to be that you
could engage the starter and get "unstuck" if the engine dies.

Searcher

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:18:42 -0600, [email]brianinmilo@webtv.net[/email] (Brian)
wrote:
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>I own a 03 tacoma manual 5 speed. Is there any after market remote
>starters out there for the manuals?[/color]

They are illegal to put on a manual transmission car in most states.
And no installer or mechanic in his right mind would hook one up for
you - he would share in the legal liability, and they could clean him
out down to his skivvies and toothbrush, too. You could do it all by
yourself, but the legal ramifications would stop any sane person.

If anything went wrong and the car started in gear, and became a
runaway and caused a bunch of property damage or injured or killed
people, you would be 100% on the hook for the responsibility. Your
car, homeowners, and even blanket liability insurance policies would
deny the claims - they don't cover Gross Negligence.

And the companies that make the auto start systems say in no
uncertain terms they are not to be used on a manual transmission car,
so you can't pawn any of the responsibility off on them.

It would work IF you could come up with a proper method to make sure
the transmission was in neutral and the parking brake securely set.
It would be even better if you had a sure-fire way to physically lock
the transmission in Neutral, like a restriction plate inside the cab
that goes over the shifter arm to physically lock it in Neutral and
only completes the safety circuit when it's in place.

(It could be done, but it would also look like hell inside the
truck. They put shifter restriction plates on tow-behind forklifts so
there's no way they can go into gear when being towed on the street.)

And manual transmissions don't have a park pawl - to make sure that
the brakes are set, you'd have to install a Mico-Lock system like used
in medium trucks with hydraulic brakes, where it puts a check valve to
hold the service foot brakes on as a backup to the parking brake
system. [url]http://www.mico.com/[/url]

With the simple lever-lock valves you close the dashboard check
valve then stomp on the brake pedal hard to set the service brakes.
They have a pressure switch that is activated only when the service
brakes are properly applied.

And if the hydraulic pressure leaks down overnight - or more likely
the cold overnight temperatures will drop the brake pressure below the
threshold, the safety switch will open and the car won't start. You
would need to buy a system from the Model 691 family that has a built
in motor and pump to keep the pressure up overnight, and if you
thought the plain valve system was expensive...

By the time you get through putting enough fail-safes on the car to
safely install an auto-start system, it would be far cheaper easier
and simpler to sell your truck and buy another one with an automatic
transmission.

--<< Bruce >>--

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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Brian" <brianinmilo@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:591-43C80B22-474@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net...[color=green]
>>I own a 03 tacoma manual 5 speed. Is there any after market remote
>> starters out there for the manuals?
>>[/color]
>
> No. How would the stater know the vehicle is not in gear?
>
>
>[/color]

You can buy a ring with micro switchs built round it that mounts at the
bottom of your gear stick. It is disable for auto start.
They are a bastard to set up correctly though.

"Bruce L. Bergman" <blPYTHONbergman@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:18:42 -0600, [email]brianinmilo@webtv.net[/email] (Brian)
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>I own a 03 tacoma manual 5 speed. Is there any after market remote
>>starters out there for the manuals?[/color]
>
> They are illegal to put on a manual transmission car in most states.
> And no installer or mechanic in his right mind would hook one up for
> you - he would share in the legal liability, and they could clean him
> out down to his skivvies and toothbrush, too. You could do it all by
> yourself, but the legal ramifications would stop any sane person.
>
> If anything went wrong and the car started in gear, and became a
> runaway and caused a bunch of property damage or injured or killed
> people, you would be 100% on the hook for the responsibility. Your
> car, homeowners, and even blanket liability insurance policies would
> deny the claims - they don't cover Gross Negligence.
>
> And the companies that make the auto start systems say in no
> uncertain terms they are not to be used on a manual transmission car,
> so you can't pawn any of the responsibility off on them.
>
> It would work IF you could come up with a proper method to make sure
> the transmission was in neutral and the parking brake securely set.
> It would be even better if you had a sure-fire way to physically lock
> the transmission in Neutral, like a restriction plate inside the cab
> that goes over the shifter arm to physically lock it in Neutral and
> only completes the safety circuit when it's in place.
>
> (It could be done, but it would also look like hell inside the
> truck. They put shifter restriction plates on tow-behind forklifts so
> there's no way they can go into gear when being towed on the street.)
>
> And manual transmissions don't have a park pawl - to make sure that
> the brakes are set, you'd have to install a Mico-Lock system like used
> in medium trucks with hydraulic brakes, where it puts a check valve to
> hold the service foot brakes on as a backup to the parking brake
> system. [url]http://www.mico.com/[/url]
>
> With the simple lever-lock valves you close the dashboard check
> valve then stomp on the brake pedal hard to set the service brakes.
> They have a pressure switch that is activated only when the service
> brakes are properly applied.
>
> And if the hydraulic pressure leaks down overnight - or more likely
> the cold overnight temperatures will drop the brake pressure below the
> threshold, the safety switch will open and the car won't start. You
> would need to buy a system from the Model 691 family that has a built
> in motor and pump to keep the pressure up overnight, and if you
> thought the plain valve system was expensive...
>
> By the time you get through putting enough fail-safes on the car to
> safely install an auto-start system, it would be far cheaper easier
> and simpler to sell your truck and buy another one with an automatic
> transmission.
>[/color]

Or buy an auto!

On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 02:04:52 GMT, "Searcher" <ACBRN@CS.ver.aol.com>
wrote:
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>Hey, I never thought about a clutch cut off switch.[/color]

Newer stick shift TRD Tacomas have a factory clutch switch bypass.

It's really handy when starting it to clean off the snow, too!

Reach in, check the parking brake is on and it's not in gear, turn the
key, hit the switch, voila! No need to get all kinds of snow in the
cab.

On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 04:30:28 GMT, Bruce L. Bergman
<blPYTHONbergman@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
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> By the time you get through putting enough fail-safes on the car to
>safely install an auto-start system, it would be far cheaper easier
>and simpler to sell your truck and buy another one with an automatic
>transmission.[/color]

Then, you too can come out of a store and have no idea why your
vehicle is running when you didn't push the button. My brother's
Taurus is constantly doing this

You too can destroy your fuel mileage by allowing the car to idle for
30 minutes at a time before a 15 minute ride, as my neighbors do on a
regular basis.

I'd never buy a vehicle with a remote start installed, as I have no
idea how much wear is really on the engine. Install a Hobbs meter
with the remote start, and I'd think about it. <G>

I use an older idea, it's called a garage...

Bonehenge wrote:[color=blue]
> Then, you too can come out of a store and have no idea why your
> vehicle is running when you didn't push the button. My brother's
> Taurus is constantly doing this
>[/color]

I guy I used to work for bought a used Lexus LS400 which would start on it's
own at random times. After a few times of it doing this he took it to his
mechanic, who found an aftermarket remote start unit the previous owner
hadn't told him about. It was obviously going south so he had it removed.
davidj92

On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:51:53 +1000, "Scotty" <scoter1@warmmail.com>
wrote:[color=blue]
>"Bruce L. Bergman" <blPYTHONbergman@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
>news:l0tgs1hht1es4c8ohmkjg0e2k2ij3l0nab@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:18:42 -0600, [email]brianinmilo@webtv.net[/email] (Brian)
>> wrote:[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>>I own a 03 tacoma manual 5 speed. Is there any after market remote
>>>starters out there for the manuals?[/color]
>>[/color][/color]
<Big Snip to the last paragraph>[color=blue][color=green]
>> By the time you get through putting enough fail-safes on the car to
>> safely install an auto-start system, it would be far cheaper easier
>> and simpler to sell your truck and buy another one with an automatic
>> transmission.[/color]
>
>Or buy an auto![/color]

Gee, I just said that... Did you actually read first? ;-P

--<< Bruce >>--

"Bruce L. Bergman" <blPYTHONbergman@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:51:53 +1000, "Scotty" <scoter1@warmmail.com>
> wrote:[color=green]
>>"Bruce L. Bergman" <blPYTHONbergman@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:l0tgs1hht1es4c8ohmkjg0e2k2ij3l0nab@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:18:42 -0600, [email]brianinmilo@webtv.net[/email] (Brian)
>>> wrote:[/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>>I own a 03 tacoma manual 5 speed. Is there any after market remote
>>>>starters out there for the manuals?
>>>[/color][/color]
> <Big Snip to the last paragraph>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> By the time you get through putting enough fail-safes on the car to
>>> safely install an auto-start system, it would be far cheaper easier
>>> and simpler to sell your truck and buy another one with an automatic
>>> transmission.[/color]
>>
>>Or buy an auto![/color]
>
> Gee, I just said that... Did you actually read first? ;-P
>
> --<< Bruce >>--[/color]

Cars and trucks have had clutch interlocks for a long time. 10yrs anyway.
So if your remote starter device were wired through the ignition switch,
you'd be okay ... which it should be with an automatic too. Automatic cars
have had an interlock with the brake pedal for at least 10 years.
--

- Philip

There is no reason for it not to work, the danger is that you could start it
in gear with catastrophic results if you could rig a neutral switch some how
no problem. One solution is you could master switch it through the park
brake and ensure you leave it in neutral, a bit risky to starter if left in
gear, we dont have cold here can you leave the park brake on when freezing?

Joe


"Brian" <brianinmilo@webtv.net> wrote in message
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>I own a 03 tacoma manual 5 speed. Is there any after market remote
> starters out there for the manuals?
>[/color]

I have one on my truck. Truck starters are ment to have torque so that
you can start them in gear for many differnt reasons... I do NOT
suggest you install one, I always leave my truck in neautral, but I
made a mistake once and left it in gear, it ran over my friends foot
and headed strait for his 500,000.00 race car, luckly I was able to get
in and stop it before anything happened to the car and my friend was
wearing steel toes. so no matter. None the less, it could have been
really messy

"Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Bruce L. Bergman" <blPYTHONbergman@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
> news:t5dis1lmsek4fvj6q9vpgc9o2sbpc1iq7g@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:51:53 +1000, "Scotty" <scoter1@warmmail.com>
>> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>>"Bruce L. Bergman" <blPYTHONbergman@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
>>>news:l0tgs1hht1es4c8ohmkjg0e2k2ij3l0nab@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:18:42 -0600, [email]brianinmilo@webtv.net[/email] (Brian)
>>>> wrote:[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>>>>>I own a 03 tacoma manual 5 speed. Is there any after market remote
>>>>>starters out there for the manuals?
>>>>[/color]
>> <Big Snip to the last paragraph>[color=darkred]
>>>> By the time you get through putting enough fail-safes on the car to
>>>> safely install an auto-start system, it would be far cheaper easier
>>>> and simpler to sell your truck and buy another one with an automatic
>>>> transmission.
>>>
>>>Or buy an auto![/color]
>>
>> Gee, I just said that... Did you actually read first? ;-P
>>
>> --<< Bruce >>--[/color]
>
> Cars and trucks have had clutch interlocks for a long time. 10yrs anyway.
> So if your remote starter device were wired through the ignition switch,
> you'd be okay ... which it should be with an automatic too. Automatic
> cars have had an interlock with the brake pedal for at least 10 years.
> --[/color]


But the interlock switches on a manual and an atuomatic serve entirely
different purposes. The manual trans has the interlock mounted on the clutch
pedal, and requires the clutch to be depressed in order to engage the
starter, the automatic's interlock is mounted on the brake pedal, and
requires the brake to be applied before one can shift from Park into a gear
that results in the car going somewhere.

In the manual, the car can not be started unless the clutch is depressed, in
the automatic car, has to be in park or neutral (but as a practical matter,
how many people leave a car in N?). The vast majority of drivers leave a
manual tranmission in gear, either 1st or R, and it would be senseless to
have Remote Start in this case -- the status of the Clutch Safety Switch
notwithstanding. The interlock on the automatic prevents the car from moving
inadvertanlty after it is already started, the interlock on the manual
transmission prevents the car from even starting. Two completely different
uses ...