Glowing red exhaust

I just had my '90 Toyota 22RE truck head gasket, timing chain, gears, and
cover replaced. $2800.00 later I have to bring it back 3 times. First time
was to fix coolant and oil leak, bad acceleration, glowing exhaust. Second
time was for oil leak and glowing exhaust. Third time for oil leak and
glowing exhaust. I am now only down to one problem. The exhaust is glowing
red. They adjusted it once to get the acceleration better but still glowing
like a popsicle.

Possible problems I know of: fuel injection not working right (lean or rich),
out of time, or timing gears not installed correctly. I could kick myself in
the butt for not doing this myself.

Have you ran into this before? what did you do to fix it?

thx

"South4t" <u19472@uwe> wrote in message news:5cf7eb2c31653@uwe...
| I just had my '90 Toyota 22RE truck head gasket, timing chain, gears,
and
| cover replaced. $2800.00 later I have to bring it back 3 times. First
time
| was to fix coolant and oil leak, bad acceleration, glowing exhaust.
Second
| time was for oil leak and glowing exhaust. Third time for oil leak and
| glowing exhaust. I am now only down to one problem. The exhaust is
glowing
| red. They adjusted it once to get the acceleration better but still
glowing
| like a popsicle.
|
| Possible problems I know of: fuel injection not working right (lean or
rich),
| out of time, or timing gears not installed correctly. I could kick
myself in
| the butt for not doing this myself.
|
| Have you ran into this before? what did you do to fix it?
|
| thx

Only on an old Chevy 6 cyl. The ignition timing was way retarded and
basically was firing into a partially opened exhaust valves. Advanced
the timing to specs and all was okay. I suppose the ignition timing
could be @ or near TDC but the valve timing off and give the same
symptoms.

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"South4t" <u19472@uwe> wrote in message news:5cf7eb2c31653@uwe...[color=blue]
>I just had my '90 Toyota 22RE truck head gasket, timing chain, gears, and
> cover replaced. $2800.00 later I have to bring it back 3 times. First time
> was to fix coolant and oil leak, bad acceleration, glowing exhaust. Second
> time was for oil leak and glowing exhaust. Third time for oil leak and
> glowing exhaust. I am now only down to one problem. The exhaust is glowing
> red. They adjusted it once to get the acceleration better but still
> glowing
> like a popsicle.
>
> Possible problems I know of: fuel injection not working right (lean or
> rich),
> out of time, or timing gears not installed correctly. I could kick myself
> in
> the butt for not doing this myself.
>
> Have you ran into this before? what did you do to fix it?
>
> thx[/color]

What part of the exhaust is glowing red, exhaust manifold or converter ?

The exhaust manifold, not the converter.

Mike wrote:[color=blue][color=green]
>>I just had my '90 Toyota 22RE truck head gasket, timing chain, gears, and
>> cover replaced. $2800.00 later I have to bring it back 3 times. First time[/color]
>[quoted text clipped - 14 lines][color=green]
>>
>> thx[/color]
>
> What part of the exhaust is glowing red, exhaust manifold or converter ?[/color]

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On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 08:51:20 GMT, "South4t via CarKB.com" <u19472@uwe>
wrote:
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>The exhaust manifold, not the converter.
>
>Mike wrote:[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>I just had my '90 Toyota 22RE truck head gasket, timing chain, gears, and
>>> cover replaced. $2800.00 later I have to bring it back 3 times. First time[/color]
>>[quoted text clipped - 14 lines][color=darkred]
>>>
>>> thx[/color]
>>
>> What part of the exhaust is glowing red, exhaust manifold or converter ?[/color][/color]


They can get pretty hot normally. Usually retarded timing and/or a
lean mixture will cause them to after burn in exhaust manifold and
heat it up further.

"South4t via CarKB.com" <u19472@uwe> wrote in message
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> The exhaust manifold, not the converter.[/color]

I would be looking for a lean fuel mixture or a vacuum leak. Ask ckeck
ignition timing and check to be sure the cam timing was set correctly when
the timing chain was replaced.


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>
> Mike wrote:[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>I just had my '90 Toyota 22RE truck head gasket, timing chain, gears, and
>>> cover replaced. $2800.00 later I have to bring it back 3 times. First
>>> time[/color]
>>[quoted text clipped - 14 lines][color=darkred]
>>>
>>> thx[/color]
>>
>> What part of the exhaust is glowing red, exhaust manifold or converter
>> ?[/color]
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Agree....Last time I brought it in they adjusted the timing via distributor
and tweaked it to improve the acceleration. However, it is still there. I did
checkfor vacuum leaks and fixed one but red glow is still there.

If a vacuum line is connected wrong could that also cause this?
What damage can a glowing red exhaust cause?

Bill

Mike wrote:[color=blue][color=green]
>> The exhaust manifold, not the converter.[/color]
>
> I would be looking for a lean fuel mixture or a vacuum leak. Ask ckeck
>ignition timing and check to be sure the cam timing was set correctly when
>the timing chain was replaced.
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>>I just had my '90 Toyota 22RE truck head gasket, timing chain, gears, and
>>>> cover replaced. $2800.00 later I have to bring it back 3 times. First[/color][/color]
>[quoted text clipped - 5 lines][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> What part of the exhaust is glowing red, exhaust manifold or converter
>>> ?[/color][/color][/color]

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"South4t via CarKB.com" <u19472@uwe> wrote in message
news:5d02eef4f74f8@uwe...[color=blue]
> Agree....Last time I brought it in they adjusted the timing via
> distributor
> and tweaked it to improve the acceleration. However, it is still there. I
> did
> checkfor vacuum leaks and fixed one but red glow is still there.
>
> If a vacuum line is connected wrong could that also cause this?
> What damage can a glowing red exhaust cause?
>
> Bill[/color]

Does the truck fuel injection or a carburator ? Did you have this
problem before the repairs ?


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>
> Mike wrote:[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> The exhaust manifold, not the converter.[/color]
>>
>> I would be looking for a lean fuel mixture or a vacuum leak. Ask ckeck
>>ignition timing and check to be sure the cam timing was set correctly when
>>the timing chain was replaced.
>>[color=darkred]
>>>>>I just had my '90 Toyota 22RE truck head gasket, timing chain, gears,
>>>>>and
>>>>> cover replaced. $2800.00 later I have to bring it back 3 times. First[/color]
>>[quoted text clipped - 5 lines][color=darkred]
>>>> What part of the exhaust is glowing red, exhaust manifold or
>>>> converter
>>>> ?[/color][/color]
>
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It is fuel injected and I have never had this problem.

Mike wrote:[color=blue][color=green]
>> Agree....Last time I brought it in they adjusted the timing via
>> distributor[/color]
>[quoted text clipped - 6 lines][color=green]
>>
>> Bill[/color]
>
> Does the truck fuel injection or a carburator ? Did you have this
>problem before the repairs ?
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>> The exhaust manifold, not the converter.
>>>[/color][/color]
>[quoted text clipped - 9 lines][color=green][color=darkred]
>>>>> converter
>>>>> ?[/color][/color][/color]

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"South4t via CarKB.com" <u19472@uwe> wrote in message
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> It is fuel injected and I have never had this problem.[/color]

I would hook it up to a scan tool and check for codes. Also, look at your
sensor values such as O2, coolant temp, air flow.... The folks who did the
timing chain could have damaged a sensor or wiring harness.

Does the check engine light come on when you first turn the key on without
starting the truck ? It should , that is the bulb check. Does it come on or
stay on when the truck is running ?

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>
> Mike wrote:[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Agree....Last time I brought it in they adjusted the timing via
>>> distributor[/color]
>>[quoted text clipped - 6 lines][color=darkred]
>>>
>>> Bill[/color]
>>
>> Does the truck fuel injection or a carburator ? Did you have this
>>problem before the repairs ?
>>[color=darkred]
>>>>> The exhaust manifold, not the converter.
>>>>[/color]
>>[quoted text clipped - 9 lines][color=darkred]
>>>>>> converter
>>>>>> ?[/color][/color]
>
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>[/color]

The check engine light does come on without starting. After starting/running,
it goes away. IThe last time I had a problem the check engine light came on.
I jumped a few on the test unit and found my O2 sensor down pipe on the
exhaust was bad. This new was $180 but found a brand new in box on ebay for
$40. got lucky.... The only other thing I can think of is the throttle
position sensor may be bad. When testing the O2 sensore the TPS was another
alternative.

How about this. I noticed a small cap associated with the fuel injection
system was broke off. Under the cap on the round post type thing was a small
filter. Would this cap being removed cause any issue?

Bill

Mike wrote:[color=blue][color=green]
>> It is fuel injected and I have never had this problem.[/color]
>
> I would hook it up to a scan tool and check for codes. Also, look at your
>sensor values such as O2, coolant temp, air flow.... The folks who did the
>timing chain could have damaged a sensor or wiring harness.
>
> Does the check engine light come on when you first turn the key on without
>starting the truck ? It should , that is the bulb check. Does it come on or
>stay on when the truck is running ?
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>> Agree....Last time I brought it in they adjusted the timing via
>>>> distributor[/color][/color]
>[quoted text clipped - 10 lines][color=green][color=darkred]
>>>>>>> converter
>>>>>>> ?[/color][/color][/color]

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To summarize this string for a glowing red exhaust manifold.
Fuel is being burned in the exhaust probably by the exhaust valves opening
too early and letting the fuel out.

The possible causes are:
1. Timing gears/chain were put on wrong
2. TPS sensor may be bad. (This is not likely since the truck runs well)
3. O2 sensor is bad (Not likely, I replaced it 1.5 years ago with a new one
and check engine light went away)
4. Timing is still off. (They said they adjusted it and performance improved
but glow was still there)
5. Sensor wiring harness may have been damaged. (not likely since the check
engine light operates correctly)
6. Fuel injection problem (not likely since I have never had this problem and
truck runs good)
7. Vacuum leak (Found one could not find anymore)
8. Incorrectly attached vacuum lines

Given the above, the only things left to verify are:
1. Timing gears/chain put on wrong.
8. Incorrectly attached vacuum line

Anyone have anything else to add?

Bill

South4t wrote:[color=blue]
>The check engine light does come on without starting. After starting/running,
>it goes away. IThe last time I had a problem the check engine light came on.
>I jumped a few on the test unit and found my O2 sensor down pipe on the
>exhaust was bad. This new was $180 but found a brand new in box on ebay for
>$40. got lucky.... The only other thing I can think of is the throttle
>position sensor may be bad. When testing the O2 sensore the TPS was another
>alternative.
>
>How about this. I noticed a small cap associated with the fuel injection
>system was broke off. Under the cap on the round post type thing was a small
>filter. Would this cap being removed cause any issue?
>
>Bill
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> It is fuel injected and I have never had this problem.[/color]
>>[/color]
>[quoted text clipped - 11 lines][color=green][color=darkred]
>>>>>>>> converter
>>>>>>>> ?[/color][/color][/color]

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On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 12:22:58 GMT, "South4t via CarKB.com" <u19472@uwe>
wrote:
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>The check engine light does come on without starting. After starting/running,
>it goes away. IThe last time I had a problem the check engine light came on.
>I jumped a few on the test unit and found my O2 sensor down pipe on the
>exhaust was bad. This new was $180 but found a brand new in box on ebay for
>$40. got lucky.... The only other thing I can think of is the throttle
>position sensor may be bad. When testing the O2 sensore the TPS was another
>alternative.
>
>How about this. I noticed a small cap associated with the fuel injection
>system was broke off. Under the cap on the round post type thing was a small
>filter. Would this cap being removed cause any issue?
>
>Bill
>
>Mike wrote:[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> It is fuel injected and I have never had this problem.[/color]
>>
>> I would hook it up to a scan tool and check for codes. Also, look at your
>>sensor values such as O2, coolant temp, air flow.... The folks who did the
>>timing chain could have damaged a sensor or wiring harness.
>>
>> Does the check engine light come on when you first turn the key on without
>>starting the truck ? It should , that is the bulb check. Does it come on or
>>stay on when the truck is running ?
>>[color=darkred]
>>>>> Agree....Last time I brought it in they adjusted the timing via
>>>>> distributor[/color]
>>[quoted text clipped - 10 lines][color=darkred]
>>>>>>>> converter
>>>>>>>> ?[/color][/color][/color]


had this problem one time on GM vehicle ...350 engine, old style HEI
distributor. Turned out to be an issue with the distributor. Replaced
internal part "pole piece ? " and problem fixed. I don't know if
toyota offers service parts for your distributor or not. You need to
know if the truck is advancing the timing as it should. Do not
continue to operate the vehicle with this condition.

I suspect a timming issue somewhere... I would find another shop
to check it out...if the people who made the recent repairs cannot fix
it.

In my case I had made some adjustments to my car at the time (78 z/28)
and I was riding around that evening to see how it performed. I had
been testing the wide open function of the throttle for some time that
night and I stopped and opened the hood while the car was running and
just about had a heart attack. Night time...not much light where I
stopped.....exhaust manifolds partially cherry red. Not good at all.



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[email]ask@me.com[/email]

"South4t via CarKB.com" <u19472@uwe> wrote in message
news:5d0b792d1992b@uwe...[color=blue]
> The check engine light does come on without starting. After
> starting/running,
> it goes away. IThe last time I had a problem the check engine light came
> on.
> I jumped a few on the test unit and found my O2 sensor down pipe on the
> exhaust was bad. This new was $180 but found a brand new in box on ebay
> for
> $40. got lucky.... The only other thing I can think of is the throttle
> position sensor may be bad. When testing the O2 sensore the TPS was
> another
> alternative.
>
> How about this. I noticed a small cap associated with the fuel injection
> system was broke off. Under the cap on the round post type thing was a
> small
> filter. Would this cap being removed cause any issue?[/color]

I doubt it. The cap was most likely just a cover for the filter,
[color=blue]
>
> Bill
>
> Mike wrote:[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> It is fuel injected and I have never had this problem.[/color]
>>
>> I would hook it up to a scan tool and check for codes. Also, look at
>> your
>>sensor values such as O2, coolant temp, air flow.... The folks who did
>>the
>>timing chain could have damaged a sensor or wiring harness.
>>
>> Does the check engine light come on when you first turn the key on
>> without
>>starting the truck ? It should , that is the bulb check. Does it come on
>>or
>>stay on when the truck is running ?
>>[color=darkred]
>>>>> Agree....Last time I brought it in they adjusted the timing via
>>>>> distributor[/color]
>>[quoted text clipped - 10 lines][color=darkred]
>>>>>>>> converter
>>>>>>>> ?[/color][/color]
>
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"South4t via CarKB.com" <u19472@uwe> wrote in message
news:5d0b91b9118e9@uwe...[color=blue]
> To summarize this string for a glowing red exhaust manifold.
> Fuel is being burned in the exhaust probably by the exhaust valves opening
> too early and letting the fuel out.
>
> The possible causes are:
> 1. Timing gears/chain were put on wrong
> 2. TPS sensor may be bad. (This is not likely since the truck runs well)
> 3. O2 sensor is bad (Not likely, I replaced it 1.5 years ago with a new
> one
> and check engine light went away)
> 4. Timing is still off. (They said they adjusted it and performance
> improved
> but glow was still there)
> 5. Sensor wiring harness may have been damaged. (not likely since the
> check
> engine light operates correctly)
> 6. Fuel injection problem (not likely since I have never had this problem
> and
> truck runs good)
> 7. Vacuum leak (Found one could not find anymore)
> 8. Incorrectly attached vacuum lines
>
> Given the above, the only things left to verify are:
> 1. Timing gears/chain put on wrong.
> 8. Incorrectly attached vacuum line
>
> Anyone have anything else to add?
>[/color]

I done a similar cockup with my old truck, pulled out the distributor and
put it back one tooth out, does yours have multiple teeth or will it only go
in one way.