'94 4Runner Starting Trouble?

I have a 1994 4runner, 4wd, manual trans with 6cylinder engine. Lately
I have been having some starting difficulty. If I leave the car for a
few hours or overnight and then go to start it all I hear is one click
from the solenoid and then nothing. The engine won't crank at all at
first, but after one or two tries the engine will start normally. Also
the problem has been getting worse. It used to start after 2 or 3
tries, but now it sometimes takes 5 or 6 tries before I can get the car
started. Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks
Anders

Anders wrote:[color=blue]
>
> I have a 1994 4runner, 4wd, manual trans with 6cylinder engine. Lately
> I have been having some starting difficulty. If I leave the car for a
> few hours or overnight and then go to start it all I hear is one click
> from the solenoid and then nothing. The engine won't crank at all at
> first, but after one or two tries the engine will start normally. Also
> the problem has been getting worse. It used to start after 2 or 3
> tries, but now it sometimes takes 5 or 6 tries before I can get the car
> started. Does anyone have any ideas?
>
> Thanks
> Anders[/color]

Yeah, you got a marginal battery or cruxed up battery terminals. It's
also possible that a bad ground from engine to frame would cause this,
but less likely.

Check the battery health. A "quick and dirty" check can be done with a
voltmeter. It should read slightly over 12 volts, like 12.5 volts.
Crank (have a helper crank) the engine, it should drop to no more than
about 9.5 volts at its lowest.

If your battery seems OK, do a voltage drop test between battery and
solenoid, across the solenoid, and battery to starter casing (ground).
Voltage drop when the circuit is energized should be less than .2 (2/10)
volt - zero is "ideal." This will nail down whether the problem is in
the starter/solenoid or the wiring leading to it.

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Here's the fix -

[url]http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/maintenance/starter/[/url]


"Anders" <andersn_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143313180.315602.157590@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
>I have a 1994 4runner, 4wd, manual trans with 6cylinder engine. Lately
> I have been having some starting difficulty. If I leave the car for a
> few hours or overnight and then go to start it all I hear is one click
> from the solenoid and then nothing. The engine won't crank at all at
> first, but after one or two tries the engine will start normally. Also
> the problem has been getting worse. It used to start after 2 or 3
> tries, but now it sometimes takes 5 or 6 tries before I can get the car
> started. Does anyone have any ideas?
>
> Thanks
> Anders
>[/color]

19 Toyota (NipponDenso now called Denso) starter repair sites:

[url]http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota/tech/starter/[/url] -
[url]http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTricks/Starter.shtml[/url]
[url]http://char.tuiasi.ro/vw/reality/rogerb/4x4/CheapTricks/Starter.html[/url]
[url]http://yotarepair.com/startercontacts.html[/url]
[url]http://www.toyotaoffroad.net/afertig/88/starterrepair.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/maintenance/starter[/url]
[url]http://www.yotatech.com/~corey/tech/haveblue_starter/haveblue.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.sleeoffroad.com/technical/tz_starter_rebuild.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.startercontacts.com/install.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.startercontacts.com/images/OSGR_Exploded_view.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.colorado4x4.net/tech/starter_contacts/starter_contacts.html[/url]
[url]http://www.barneymc.com/toy_root/techneek/starter.htm[/url]
[url]http://perso.wanadoo.fr/adherence.4x4/start_bj.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=166530[/url]
[url]http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=27312&forumid=10[/url]
[url]http://www.toyotanation.com/showthread.php?threadid=27312&forumid=10[/url]
[url]http://www.toyotaoffroad.com/Articles/Projects/starter/starter.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.tacomaterritory.com/boophoenix/starter.html[/url]
[url]http://www.tacomaterritory.com/boophoenix/starter/image01.jpg[/url]

Starter contact kits (8mm ID hole):

Ace Electric # S-5263 (only two contacts)
Ace Electric # S-5264 (only two contacts)
Metro # 66-82104 (only two contacts) ([url]www.metroautoinc.com[/url]
,Pomona,California)
Toyota # 28226-72010/80 (battery side)(also1KZTE-2LT-1KZT)
Toyota # 28226-72080 (8808-9108)
Toyota # 28226-16130 (9108-9308)
Toyota # 28226-55050 (9308-9511)
Toyota # 28226-70040 (9308-9511)
Toyota # 28226-72040 (motor side if needed)
Toyota # 28226-72010 (8808-9511)
Toyota # 28226-74070 (9108-9511) (2000 Tundra & others)
Toyota # 28226-22050 (2000 Tundra & others)
Toyota # 28226-66060 (1993-1997 Land Cruiser 2.0 KW starters)

For others besides 22R series:

Toyota # 28226-54220 (motor side) (2LTE, 3L..LN13# IKZTE, 2L#,
KZN130,LN108,112,85..4FC)
Toyota # 28226-54250 (Diesel Surf 2.4TD, contains a new end cover and
gasket)
Toyota # 28226-54320 (battery side) (2LTE, 3L..LN13# IKZTE, 2L#,
KZN130, LN108,112,85..4FC,3B-1HZ-BJ73-HZJ7#-1KZT-KZJ70)
Toyota # 28226-17030 (battery side) (1H#-HDJ80-HZJ80)
Toyota # 28226-56250 (battery side) (3B-1HZ-1PZ-PZJ7#)

Starter contacts only (8mm ID hole):

Ace Electric # S-5231
Ace Electric # S-5293 (crescent moon shape)
Ace Electric # S-5295 (crescent moon shape)
Metro # 66-82106 ([url]www.metroautoinc.com[/url] ,Pomona,California)
Tons more at:
[url]http://www.metroautoinc.com/PDF%20File/66-Denso%20Solenoid%20Contact.pdf[/url]
Toyota # 28226-70040
Wilson's Electric # 45-29-652 (maybe it's 45-29-6521)

Starter brushes:

AC Delco # D762
GP Sorensen # 255048
Standard # JX-117

Whether your starter uses two rectangular types or one rectangular and
one crescent you can substitute with two squares or one square and one
crescent so any of the above part #'s for those kits will be the right
ones,or about half of the auto electric shops in your local yellow
pages would sell aftermarket contacts for only $5 each or the pair.

If the brake and charge lights come on during revving of the engine
then it's a sign that the carbon alternator brushes require replacing
as this is the mileage for them to wear out. In alternators the brushes
wear out on average every 140-170 000 miles where on the dashboard the
brake & charge light both come on at the same time. About half of the
auto electric shops in your local yellow pages sell carbon alternator
brushes and copper solenoid starter contacts for about $5/pair.Another
way to verify that the alternator is not charging is while the engine
is running bring a metal screwdriver or any metal object near the
alternator and if the alternator is working properly then it should act
like a magnet and grab the screwdriver.

For carbon brushes R&R:

[url]http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/maintenance/alternator_brushes[/url]
[url]http://www.toyotaoffroad.net/afertig/88/alternatorbrushes.htm[/url]
[url]http://perso.wanadoo.fr/adherence.4x4/alternateur_kzj.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=166525[/url]
[url]http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=27270&forumid=10[/url]
[url]http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26734&highlight=alternator+brush+holder[/url]
[url]http://www.bitwalla.com/cruisers/articles/alternator.html[/url]
[url]http://www.barneymc.com/toy_root/techtalk/electric/altrnatr.htm[/url]

For decoding the dashboard lights:

[url]http://www.powerbase-auto.co.uk/alternator_faults.htm[/url]
[url]http://members.1stconnect.com/anozira/SiteTops/energy/Alternator/alternator..htm[/url]


Here are part #'s for Toyota alternator carbon brushes and copper
solenoid starter contacts which are used in about 95% of all Toyota
vehicles.

Toyota alternator Brushes with holder:

Toyota # 27370-35060=$29 CDN
Honda # 31105-PZ1-003
Metro # 39-82003 ([url]www.metroautoinc.com[/url] ,Pomona,California)
Unknown brand name # F4019-53035

Alternator brush only (qty:1 brush unless otherwise stated):

AC Delco # E724
AC Delco # E731 (side wire and concave tip)
Ace Electric # DA-61 (brush only),S-5367 (brush holder)
Beck Arnley # 178-1669 (side wire and concave tip)
Beck Arnley # 178-1376
Borg Warner # X580 (side wire and concave tip)
Canadian Tire # 19-2050-6=$4.49/pair
Daihatsu # 27370-87302-000
Daihatsu # 27371-63020-000
Daihatsu # 27371-87501-000
Daihatsu # 27371-70300-000
Echlin # E601=$8.16 CDN/pair (UAP/NAPA)
Echlin # ECHE601
Echlin # EC480
Echlin # ECHE480
GP Sorensen # 255047 (side wire and concave tip)
GM # 94123056
GM # 96054118
Honda # 31144-PD1-004=$9.72
Honda # 31144-PD1-0040
Honda # 31144-PD1-0030
Honda # 31150-PR7-A01
Honda # 31150-PTO-003
Hino Industries # 021660-0390
Hino Industries # 021660-0510
Isuzu # 8-94123-056-0
Isuzu # 8-97032-308-0
Isuzu # 8-97032-310-0
Mazda # 021660-0390
Mazda # 021660-0510
Mazda # KL47-18-W75
Metro # 38-82001(side wire concave tip) ([url]www.metroautoinc.com[/url]
,Pomona,California)
Mileage Plus # E601SB
Mitsubishi # MD604474
Mitsubishi # 21660-0510
Niehoff # WA571 (side wire and concave tip)
NipponDenso # 021660-0390
NipponDenso # 021660-0510
Standard # JX-116 (side wire and concave tip)
Subaru # 021660-0390
Subaru # 021660-0510
Suzuki # 31631-82610
Suzuki # 31656-82611
Suzuki # 021660-0510
Toyota # 27370-42010
Toyota # 27370-75060
Toyota # 27371-63020=$5.80 (up to 9105) (side wire and concave tip)
Toyota # 27371-70300=$5.20 (9105-9511)
Toyota # 27371-76004-71
UAP/NAPA # MPEE601SB
Victory Lap # FAX57=$4.49 CDN/pair (Canadian Tire)
Wilson's Electric # 26-29-7534 (side wire and concave tip)=$2.20 each
CDN (Diesel Auto Electric)(Parts for Trucks,box of 10 for $3.40 CDN)

Specifications:
Length=15 mm
Width=7 mm
Thickness=5 mm
Lead length=49 mm

These Honda alternators are the same except the pulley must be swapped:

1986-89 Honda Accord (Carb),the EFI can be used but the voltage reg
must be swapped
1990-93 Acura Integra

For alternator upgrade:

[url]http://www.off-road.com/toyota/tech/100alt/index.html[/url]
[url]http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/alternator[/url]
[url]http://home.earthlink.net/~twopapa/bigalt.htm[/url]

Sidney® ™
Repairs tv's,vcr's,home/car audio out of my home
E-mail:sidneybek@yahoo.com
Dartmouth,Nova Scotia
Canada
1985 Toyota 4-Runner,solid front straight axle,factory cruise
control,sunroof,22R-E,W56,RN60LV-MSEK,rusted rear step/towing chrome
bumper with 248 000 KM

Some Toyota trucks have to have the ehgine mounts removed and the engine
raised to get the starter out. You can get the bolts out but cannot remove
the starter without doing this.

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:42:33 +0200, <sidneybek@yahoo.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> 19 Toyota (NipponDenso now called Denso) starter repair sites:
>[/color]

Umpf, ehm, WOW!!!