Tacoma Dual Exhaust

I'm thinking of buying a 2006 Tacoma TRD Sport with the V6. One of
the options is dual exhaust for $350. They say it well increase your
horsepower and MPG. Does anyone have dual exhaust and if so did it
help with the gas mileage or power. I'm planning on towing a trailer
at times with this truck that weights around 2,800 Lbs. Thanks
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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:04:24 -0700, Hey Jim <hey@mail.com> wrote:
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>I'm thinking of buying a 2006 Tacoma TRD Sport with the V6. One of
>the options is dual exhaust for $350. They say it well increase your
>horsepower and MPG. Does anyone have dual exhaust and if so did it
>help with the gas mileage or power. I'm planning on towing a trailer
>at times with this truck that weights around 2,800 Lbs.[/color]

I've already towed a 4,000 pound trailer with the stock '05 exhaust.
The truck needed no help. <G>

Dual exhaust is not a Toyota option, but a dealer option. For $350,
it probably is only dual tail pipes. As I recall, my truck only has
one catalytic converter, and there is no way $350 would include a
second cat.

The HP gain you'll get would be minimal, the MPG gain is a lie.

I'd pass.

On the other hand if your looking for better MPG and a better top end,
I changed out my stock air box for the K&N model #6300 intake And
was surprised to see a 3 to 4 MPG gain. I do a lot of freway with hills,
and drive btw 65 and 85 depending on road conditions The first time I hit
300 miles per tank and still had a quarter left was well I was happy. Great
truck...

"Bonehenge" <DwightSchrute@DunderMifflin.com> wrote in message
news:l4uu32p2gnoctt9no5bfoevi5ddltlhb3c@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:04:24 -0700, Hey Jim <hey@mail.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>I'm thinking of buying a 2006 Tacoma TRD Sport with the V6. One of
>>the options is dual exhaust for $350. They say it well increase your
>>horsepower and MPG. Does anyone have dual exhaust and if so did it
>>help with the gas mileage or power. I'm planning on towing a trailer
>>at times with this truck that weights around 2,800 Lbs.[/color]
>
> I've already towed a 4,000 pound trailer with the stock '05 exhaust.
> The truck needed no help. <G>
>
> Dual exhaust is not a Toyota option, but a dealer option. For $350,
> it probably is only dual tail pipes. As I recall, my truck only has
> one catalytic converter, and there is no way $350 would include a
> second cat.
>
> The HP gain you'll get would be minimal, the MPG gain is a lie.
>
> I'd pass.[/color]

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:50:26 GMT, "Billstein" <Not@home.com> wrote:
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>On the other hand if your looking for better MPG and a better top end,
>I changed out my stock air box for the K&N model #6300 intake And
>was surprised to see a 3 to 4 MPG gain.[/color]

So, you drive around at 4800 RPM? <G>

There's actually science involved, you know. As a pilot I know a
little about how to read performance graphs...

ok
lol Thanks
really I mean it.
"Bonehenge" <DwightSchrute@DunderMifflin.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:50:26 GMT, "Billstein" <Not@home.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>On the other hand if your looking for better MPG and a better top end,
>>I changed out my stock air box for the K&N model #6300 intake And
>>was surprised to see a 3 to 4 MPG gain.[/color]
>
> So, you drive around at 4800 RPM? <G>
>
> There's actually science involved, you know. As a pilot I know a
> little about how to read performance graphs...[/color]

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:50:26 GMT, "Billstein" <Not@home.com> wrote:
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>On the other hand if your looking for better MPG and a better top end,
>I changed out my stock air box for the K&N model #6300 intake And
>was surprised to see a 3 to 4 MPG gain. I do a lot of freway with hills,
>and drive btw 65 and 85 depending on road conditions The first time I hit
>300 miles per tank and still had a quarter left was well I was happy. Great
>truck...
>[/color]


[url]http://www.gadgetonline.com/AirInduction.htm[/url]

This guys tests actually saw a decrease in HP with the K&N,

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:31:25 -0500, Robert
<johnDOTredcornATgmailDOTcom> wrote:
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>On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:50:26 GMT, "Billstein" <Not@home.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>On the other hand if your looking for better MPG and a better top end,
>>I changed out my stock air box for the K&N model #6300 intake And
>>was surprised to see a 3 to 4 MPG gain. I do a lot of freway with hills,
>>and drive btw 65 and 85 depending on road conditions The first time I hit
>>300 miles per tank and still had a quarter left was well I was happy. Great
>>truck...
>>[/color]
>
>
>[url]http://www.gadgetonline.com/AirInduction.htm[/url]
>
>This guys tests actually saw a decrease in HP with the K&N,[/color]

Interesting because I put a K&N air filter on my '98 Envoy 4.3L V6
and it didn't make any different's in the MPG. On my Envoy it's easy
to tell because it has a read out for average mileage and instant
mileage. That's something I'll miss when I sell it and get the 06
Taco. I see a product called Scangage ([url]http://www.scangauge.com/[/url])
that gives you your mileage and much more. Has anyone ever used one?
[url]http://atvs.home.comcast.net/[/url]

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:14:55 -0700, Hey Jim <hey@mail.com> wrote:
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> I see a product called Scangage ([url]http://www.scangauge.com/[/url])
>that gives you your mileage and much more. Has anyone ever used one?[/color]

A buddy of mine has one, and it's interesting, but not interesting
enough for ME to buy one. <G>

From what I know, most of those devices depend on the data your
particular vehicle provides. Some computers send out more actual data
than others. I don't remember the exact details, but his Maxima
didn't output a parameter or two, so not all of the features were
usable in his particular case. I'm sure the manufacturer of the exact
gadget you're interested in could provide the exact details for your
application.

With the computing power available today, data like fuel flow, EGT,
etc... should all be right there for the picking.

What would make it all REALLY fun (for a few minutes), is if you could
actually manually manage the engine. For instance, in piston powered
aircraft, there are displays providing cylinder and exhaust gas temp,
fuel flow, manifold pressure, etc... and the pilot can change loads
and mixtures to attain best power, best economy, or a compromise, as
desired.

Of course, I know that most folks would probably damage the engine
with lean knocks, trying to save gas, or trash the emission system
running too rich. Even most of the knowledgeable folks probably
couldn't beat the computer's results. I also recognize that aircraft
aren't subject to the constantly changing conditions that a vehicle
sees. It might be fun to play with, though!

I really don't care what the poor guy down the street says.
I know it works for me,.The model 6300 the entire intake
not just the filter..We all know that computers are perfect
and in no way can be improved upon..I like the extra Mileage.
I dont work for k&n I am a consumer so do what you want.
All I know is this works for me on a 2005 tacoma 4.0.





"Bonehenge" <DwightSchrute@DunderMifflin.com> wrote in message
news:cjk142dqpbjkv3kgtijftg6dcutgqvflpb@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:14:55 -0700, Hey Jim <hey@mail.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I see a product called Scangage ([url]http://www.scangauge.com/[/url])
>>that gives you your mileage and much more. Has anyone ever used one?[/color]
>
> A buddy of mine has one, and it's interesting, but not interesting
> enough for ME to buy one. <G>
>
> From what I know, most of those devices depend on the data your
> particular vehicle provides. Some computers send out more actual data
> than others. I don't remember the exact details, but his Maxima
> didn't output a parameter or two, so not all of the features were
> usable in his particular case. I'm sure the manufacturer of the exact
> gadget you're interested in could provide the exact details for your
> application.
>
> With the computing power available today, data like fuel flow, EGT,
> etc... should all be right there for the picking.
>
> What would make it all REALLY fun (for a few minutes), is if you could
> actually manually manage the engine. For instance, in piston powered
> aircraft, there are displays providing cylinder and exhaust gas temp,
> fuel flow, manifold pressure, etc... and the pilot can change loads
> and mixtures to attain best power, best economy, or a compromise, as
> desired.
>
> Of course, I know that most folks would probably damage the engine
> with lean knocks, trying to save gas, or trash the emission system
> running too rich. Even most of the knowledgeable folks probably
> couldn't beat the computer's results. I also recognize that aircraft
> aren't subject to the constantly changing conditions that a vehicle
> sees. It might be fun to play with, though![/color]

Billstein wrote:[color=blue]
> I really don't care what the poor guy down the street says.
> I know it works for me,.[/color]

Stop it, you're killing me with laughter! <G>

This is the actual performance graph from K&N, from an actual, real
world dyno test on an actual 4.0L Tacoma:
<http://www.kandn.com/dynocharts/63-9025.pdf>

All of the meaningful gains (and they really aren't that meaningful) are
4000 RPM+, with the most gain @ 4978 RPM. It's all right there on K&N's
own chart.

_My_ '05 Tacoma turns ~2500 RPM @ 75 MPH in 6th gear. Look that "gain"
up on the graph. This is PHYSICS! The rules don't change 'cause you
believe they do. A 1.5-2 HP gain is going to make absolutely no
difference in MPG. <G>

Any actual MPG gains you might be seeing are due to:

1.) Your driving habits changing because you want to save gas,
conciously or unconsciously.
2.) The truck is still breaking in to max. efficency.
3.) Fuel formula differences.
4.) The actual conditions (atmospheric, traffic, terrain, load, etc...)
during the tank.

"B A R R Y" <balsapilot@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> This is PHYSICS! The rules don't change 'cause you believe they do.[/color]

Yes they do. My dad says his Lincoln Navigator gets 32 mpg, no matter WHAT
the sticker says. :-) Of course, he's just desperately trying to defend his
purchase of the silly vehicle.

In message <j5M0g.7291$tT.4361@news01.roc.ny>, "Doug Kanter"
<ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> "B A R R Y" <balsapilot@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:g2M0g.3854$mu2.2774@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net...
>[color=green]
> > This is PHYSICS! The rules don't change 'cause you believe they do.[/color]
>
> Yes they do. My dad says his Lincoln Navigator gets 32 mpg, no matter WHAT
> the sticker says. :-) Of course, he's just desperately trying to defend[/color]
his[color=blue]
> purchase of the silly vehicle.
>[/color]

downhill with big tailwind. :)
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