Oil Filter ??

Bought this RAV4 2001 from Texas Toyota in Dallas in 2005.
Started hearing funky noises from the engine, decided to change the oil
after it hit the 53,000 mark from buying it at the 50,000 mark.
Drained the oil.
Pulled the oil filter.
Looked at the oil filter's date stamped on the bottom : 1 June 2001
A. I didn't know oil filters had date codes.
B. I didn't suspect the vehicle would have a problem with the oil filter
since it was "Quality Checked"... etc.. etc..
C. It took 4 qts to fill the puppy.

In the paperwork with the vehicle, there are receipts for taking the RAV4
back to the dealership and getting oil changes - regularly.
You know, I think they might have missed the oil filter.
<< quizzing look >>

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:55:28 -0500, "William Hayes"
<revwillie@comcast.net> wrote:
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>Bought this RAV4 2001 from Texas Toyota in Dallas in 2005.
>Started hearing funky noises from the engine, decided to change the oil
>after it hit the 53,000 mark from buying it at the 50,000 mark.
>Drained the oil.
>Pulled the oil filter.
>Looked at the oil filter's date stamped on the bottom : 1 June 2001
>A. I didn't know oil filters had date codes.
>B. I didn't suspect the vehicle would have a problem with the oil filter
>since it was "Quality Checked"... etc.. etc..
>C. It took 4 qts to fill the puppy.
>
>In the paperwork with the vehicle, there are receipts for taking the RAV4
>back to the dealership and getting oil changes - regularly.
>You know, I think they might have missed the oil filter.
><< quizzing look >>
>
>[/color]


No telling how long a filter sat on shelf before it was used so do not
hold too much on date. The condition of oil and cleanlyness of engine
inside valve cover will tell you if it has been service properly. Keep
a eye on the oil for a while and if it gets dirty fast because of
dirty in engine from lack of past maintainance, change it and filter a
few times at 1000 to 1500 miles until it gets "flushed out". Alway
change filter with oil.
-----------------
The SnoMan
[url]www.thesnoman.com[/url]

"William Hayes" <revwillie@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Bought this RAV4 2001 from Texas Toyota in Dallas in 2005.
> Started hearing funky noises from the engine, decided to change the oil
> after it hit the 53,000 mark from buying it at the 50,000 mark.
> Drained the oil.
> Pulled the oil filter.
> Looked at the oil filter's date stamped on the bottom : 1 June 2001
> A. I didn't know oil filters had date codes.
> B. I didn't suspect the vehicle would have a problem with the oil filter
> since it was "Quality Checked"... etc.. etc..
> C. It took 4 qts to fill the puppy.
>
> In the paperwork with the vehicle, there are receipts for taking the RAV4
> back to the dealership and getting oil changes - regularly.
> You know, I think they might have missed the oil filter.
> << quizzing look >>
>
>
>[/color]


How do you know the vehicle had problems with the oil filter?

Just old stock -- probably when they were still quality made in JAPAN vice
the new IAWAN ones!

"William Hayes" <revwillie@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Bought this RAV4 2001 from Texas Toyota in Dallas in 2005.
> Started hearing funky noises from the engine, decided to change the oil
> after it hit the 53,000 mark from buying it at the 50,000 mark.
> Drained the oil.
> Pulled the oil filter.
> Looked at the oil filter's date stamped on the bottom : 1 June 2001
> A. I didn't know oil filters had date codes.
> B. I didn't suspect the vehicle would have a problem with the oil filter
> since it was "Quality Checked"... etc.. etc..
> C. It took 4 qts to fill the puppy.
>
> In the paperwork with the vehicle, there are receipts for taking the RAV4
> back to the dealership and getting oil changes - regularly.
> You know, I think they might have missed the oil filter.
> << quizzing look >>
>
>
>[/color]

"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:55:28 -0500, "William Hayes"
> <revwillie@comcast.net> wrote:[color=green]
> >In the paperwork with the vehicle, there are receipts for taking the RAV4
> >back to the dealership and getting oil changes - regularly.
> >You know, I think they might have missed the oil filter.
> ><< quizzing look >>[/color]
> No telling how long a filter sat on shelf before it was used so do not
> hold too much on date.[/color]

Yeah. Might have been a shelf sitter. Still, Kinda makes one wonder :)
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> The condition of oil and cleanlyness of engine
> inside valve cover will tell you if it has been service properly. Keep
> a eye on the oil for a while and if it gets dirty fast because of
> dirty in engine from lack of past maintainance, change it and filter a
> few times at 1000 to 1500 miles until it gets "flushed out". Alway
> change filter with oil.[/color]

Oil is clean, Engine runs alot smoother, with more pickup and power.
Lifters don't clack anymore. I'm guessing a clogged oil filter.

"Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "William Hayes" <revwillie@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:SqydnQ5jhKk4r83ZRVn-tw@comcast.com...[color=green]
> > Bought this RAV4 2001 from Texas Toyota in Dallas in 2005.
> > You know, I think they might have missed the oil filter.[/color]
> How do you know the vehicle had problems with the oil filter?[/color]

Lifters were clacking, oil light would flick on and off (not a good sign),
and the oil was near perfect.
Changed the oil filter, puppy runs, scampers, and moves... for a 4 cyl.

Old stock from 2001 ? ... When the dealship rolls pretty close to 20,000
changes (according to their brochure) a year ?
I dunno. Makes me wonder. :) Might be old stock, but they'd have had to
have bought over 50,000 oil filters to keep a few on the shelf....
Needless to say, I'm not going back to the dealership to change oil.
And Yeah... those oil filters had to be TOUGH.... 50,000 + miles and still
kept the oil clean...

"Wolfgang" <NOwolfXgang_dieterxSPAM@NOXcox.netNOT> wrote in message
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> Just old stock -- probably when they were still quality made in JAPAN vice
> the new IAWAN ones![/color]

How about the warehouse they order from? Maybe Toyota stocked that many.
What's the diff? They don't taste lousy as they get older. :)


"William Hayes" <revwillie@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Old stock from 2001 ? ... When the dealship rolls pretty close to 20,000
> changes (according to their brochure) a year ?
> I dunno. Makes me wonder. :) Might be old stock, but they'd have had to
> have bought over 50,000 oil filters to keep a few on the shelf....
> Needless to say, I'm not going back to the dealership to change oil.
> And Yeah... those oil filters had to be TOUGH.... 50,000 + miles and
> still
> kept the oil clean...
>
> "Wolfgang" <NOwolfXgang_dieterxSPAM@NOXcox.netNOT> wrote in message
> news:XF24g.33811$_z2.16078@dukeread02...[color=green]
>> Just old stock -- probably when they were still quality made in JAPAN
>> vice
>> the new IAWAN ones![/color]
>
>[/color]

Changed the oil on a friend's 2 year old honda - he always had the
dealer do it before that since new - the filter had never been changed
- o ring was stuck to the block and had same level of filth on it as
engine block. So it does happen - doing your own maintenance is
simple, faster than going to a garage/dealer for it and a whole lot
less risky than going to an instant oil change place.

Who are you going to trust - very few if any.

<spacetrax@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Changed the oil on a friend's 2 year old honda - he always had the
> dealer do it before that since new - the filter had never been changed
> - o ring was stuck to the block and had same level of filth on it as
> engine block. So it does happen - doing your own maintenance is
> simple, faster than going to a garage/dealer for it and a whole lot
> less risky than going to an instant oil change place.
>
> Who are you going to trust - very few if any.
>[/color]


I know. I've been with the same mechanic for 20 years. When he retires, I'm
getting a horse. If you're interested, though, [url]www.cartalk.com[/url] has a section
where people have recommended mechanics in various cities. There *are* some
good ones.

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:09:42 -0500, "William Hayes"
<revwillie@comcast.net> wrote:
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>Old stock from 2001 ? ... When the dealship rolls pretty close to 20,000
>changes (according to their brochure) a year ?[/color]


Dealer gets them from a warehouse and takes what they give them. I
have seen old filter on the shelf of Walmart a few times that must
have been ratholed for several years and then found.
-----------------
The SnoMan
[url]www.thesnoman.com[/url]

Very True. Very True.

"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:09:42 -0500, "William Hayes"
> <revwillie@comcast.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >Old stock from 2001 ? ... When the dealship rolls pretty close to 20,000
> >changes (according to their brochure) a year ?[/color]
>
>
> Dealer gets them from a warehouse and takes what they give them. I
> have seen old filter on the shelf of Walmart a few times that must
> have been ratholed for several years and then found.[/color]

I've noticed that with Italian Wine,
with Japanese Wine... not so much...

"Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> What's the diff?
>They don't taste lousy as they get older. :)[/color]

American Wine.... ....too many raisins in the wheat chaff.
Like Indian Chiefs, not enough Indians doing the work.
Robots are great, up to where the software doesn't glitch, hydraulics keeps
pumping, and the power keeps humming....
once that belt slips.... pfth. They have do overs in the game of life,
but no do overs doing life.

On 29 Apr 2006 06:17:55 -0700, [email]spacetrax@wi.rr.com[/email] wrote:
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>Changed the oil on a friend's 2 year old honda - he always had the
>dealer do it before that since new - the filter had never been changed
>- o ring was stuck to the block and had same level of filth on it as
>engine block. So it does happen - doing your own maintenance is
>simple, faster than going to a garage/dealer for it and a whole lot
>less risky than going to an instant oil change place.
>
>Who are you going to trust - very few if any.[/color]


It is so important to get a mechanic you can trust. Sadly, I know
dealer service departments that have done serious damage to a vehicle
just by doing an oil change. One instance (a friend's truck) the
dealer mechanic over-tightened the oil drain plug and stripped the
threads, then denied it. The insurance agent got involved and the
Chevy dealer had to replace the oil pan. I guess this can happen to
anyone. I always change my own oil--it's easy once you know the
procedure and have all the proper tools. Changing the oil is also a
good time to perform other maintenance checks.