Replacement exhaust system '88 P/U

I'm the original owner of a 1988 pickup, 22R, short bed, manual trans,
around 173K miles. After 18 years, the original exhaust is starting to
look a bit rusty, especially since I live near the ocean. I called
Carson Toyota for an approximate quote, and they said about $2,500 plus
installation for everything from the exhaust manifold back to the end
of the tailpipe. This seems awfully expen$ive.

Any recommendations for replacing an original '88 exhaust in the LA /
Ventura area? What product - OEM or aftermarket - and installer? I
plan to keep this truck until it completely dies, which I don't see
happening any time soon.

Hello!
As i've said in the past - Dealer = NO.
I'd definately go with a free flow cat back system.
I've had a Borla system on mine for at least a dozen years.
There are better out there and mine is getting replaced with the restoration
project lined up for it.
Call the local independent shops if you can't do it yourself.
While it's in the shop i'd have a new cat put in and have them check the
downpipe.
My pickup is an 86 and the downpipe is still in good shape. I'd also let it
breath by replacing
the paper air filter with something like a K&N washable. Gas ain't cheap
anymore.
Bill


<geoffwalsh@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1152248385.119368.301280@s16g2000cws.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> I'm the original owner of a 1988 pickup, 22R, short bed, manual trans,
> around 173K miles. After 18 years, the original exhaust is starting to
> look a bit rusty, especially since I live near the ocean. I called
> Carson Toyota for an approximate quote, and they said about $2,500 plus
> installation for everything from the exhaust manifold back to the end
> of the tailpipe. This seems awfully expen$ive.
>
> Any recommendations for replacing an original '88 exhaust in the LA /
> Ventura area? What product - OEM or aftermarket - and installer? I
> plan to keep this truck until it completely dies, which I don't see
> happening any time soon.
>[/color]

I second what William said, but a Borla system you can install yourself if
you have a floor jack, jack stands, and basic wrenches and sockets. For
about a 10th of the price the dealer wants. I installed one for my 93'
4Runner about 10 years ago and no sign of rust, because it's all stainless
steel. I got mine from Performance Parts. If you go to their show
room/warehouse in Northridge, they will drop ship it for free. You can also
order a free flow CAT from them for about $75. But any Juan or Pedro's
muffler shop should be able to set you up for a 10th of the price the dealer
wants.

BTW check you Timing Chain, if you have not already done so.

<geoffwalsh@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1152248385.119368.301280@s16g2000cws.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> I'm the original owner of a 1988 pickup, 22R, short bed, manual trans,
> around 173K miles. After 18 years, the original exhaust is starting to
> look a bit rusty, especially since I live near the ocean. I called
> Carson Toyota for an approximate quote, and they said about $2,500 plus
> installation for everything from the exhaust manifold back to the end
> of the tailpipe. This seems awfully expen$ive.
>
> Any recommendations for replacing an original '88 exhaust in the LA /
> Ventura area? What product - OEM or aftermarket - and installer? I
> plan to keep this truck until it completely dies, which I don't see
> happening any time soon.
>[/color]

[email]geoffwalsh@gmail.com[/email] wrote:
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> I'm the original owner of a 1988 pickup, 22R, short bed, manual trans,
> around 173K miles. After 18 years, the original exhaust is starting to
> look a bit rusty, especially since I live near the ocean. I called
> Carson Toyota for an approximate quote, and they said about $2,500 plus
> installation for everything from the exhaust manifold back to the end
> of the tailpipe. This seems awfully expen$ive.
>
> Any recommendations for replacing an original '88 exhaust in the LA /
> Ventura area? What product - OEM or aftermarket - and installer? I
> plan to keep this truck until it completely dies, which I don't see
> happening any time soon.[/color]

I have the same truck as yours, bought new in '88. A couple of years
ago, I took it to Midas and had the cat and everything else replaced. It
was around $400. If you have the original Cat, you can bet it needs to
be replaced to bring down the HC for your next smog test...
--
Tom - Vista, CA

I like to use the services of the local Mom & Pop muffler shop for this kind
of stuff.

I'm not sure that I'd replace the exhaust just because it looks rusted, I'm
inclined to wait for holes to develop. Having said that, this is a good time
to look into a system that will increase air flow because incerasing flow is
perhaps the single most important thing you can do to your motor to improve
economy and performance. It is difficult to justify replacing the system
solely to make economy gains, but since you are in the mood to replace the
system anyway, it is easy to justify going from a 1.75 inch system to a 2.25
inch system. The larger system will improve air flow, and the cost-up for
the larger parts is insignificant when compared to the standard parts. (I
don't know that you have a 1.75 inch system now, I only used that size to
illustrate that larger is better. Mom & Pop will be able to give you lots of
help here.)

I bought a larger exhaust systemfrom Mom & Pop in my town for my Jeep to
include the CAT, muffler, and custom bent pipe for $300 installed.





<geoffwalsh@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1152248385.119368.301280@s16g2000cws.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> I'm the original owner of a 1988 pickup, 22R, short bed, manual trans,
> around 173K miles. After 18 years, the original exhaust is starting to
> look a bit rusty, especially since I live near the ocean. I called
> Carson Toyota for an approximate quote, and they said about $2,500 plus
> installation for everything from the exhaust manifold back to the end
> of the tailpipe. This seems awfully expen$ive.
>
> Any recommendations for replacing an original '88 exhaust in the LA /
> Ventura area? What product - OEM or aftermarket - and installer? I
> plan to keep this truck until it completely dies, which I don't see
> happening any time soon.
>[/color]

All I can tell you is that I just replaced from the cat back on my 90 toyota
V6 for 165 canadian dollars from the dealer. I installed it myself.
your price seems very high for the extra 2 peices.
The cat itself is big money. I have "punched" out my cat, and run it
straight through

good luck, let me know
<geoffwalsh@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1152248385.119368.301280@s16g2000cws.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> I'm the original owner of a 1988 pickup, 22R, short bed, manual trans,
> around 173K miles. After 18 years, the original exhaust is starting to
> look a bit rusty, especially since I live near the ocean. I called
> Carson Toyota for an approximate quote, and they said about $2,500 plus
> installation for everything from the exhaust manifold back to the end
> of the tailpipe. This seems awfully expen$ive.
>
> Any recommendations for replacing an original '88 exhaust in the LA /
> Ventura area? What product - OEM or aftermarket - and installer? I
> plan to keep this truck until it completely dies, which I don't see
> happening any time soon.
>[/color]

[email]delmar.mestdagh@ns.sympatico.ca[/email] wrote:
[color=blue]
> All I can tell you is that I just replaced from the cat back on my 90 toyota
> V6 for 165 canadian dollars from the dealer. I installed it myself.
> your price seems very high for the extra 2 peices.
> The cat itself is big money. I have "punched" out my cat, and run it
> straight through
>
> good luck, let me know
> <geoffwalsh@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1152248385.119368.301280@s16g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>[color=green]
>>I'm the original owner of a 1988 pickup, 22R, short bed, manual trans,
>>around 173K miles. After 18 years, the original exhaust is starting to
>>look a bit rusty, especially since I live near the ocean. I called
>>Carson Toyota for an approximate quote, and they said about $2,500 plus
>>installation for everything from the exhaust manifold back to the end
>>of the tailpipe. This seems awfully expen$ive.
>>
>>Any recommendations for replacing an original '88 exhaust in the LA /
>>Ventura area? What product - OEM or aftermarket - and installer? I
>>plan to keep this truck until it completely dies, which I don't see
>>happening any time soon.[/color][/color]

In years past, I might have "modified" the cat, but we have to have a
smog inspection every two years. Without the cat, my pickup would fail
and be listed as a gross poluter. Can't afford for that to happen...
--
Tom - Vista, CA

For a '90 4Rnr 22RE I bought a BOSAL exhaust (CAT back) from Olympus/Olympic
auto parts. It has a lifetime warranty from them. I'm on the 3rd FREE
replacement one (seems ever 4 years). This is running on unpaved country
WV roads. It costs me $5 for new gasket and some time. Original system
(its one piece so no leaks and easy to install) was about $150. On my yota
pickup I installed a Waqlker system - only the muffler is warranteed for
life. The OEM yota cat back should be under $250 and is lifetime warranteed
if installed by Toyota. Unless the Cat is bad or the header pipe cracked I
would not bother to replace them.

<geoffwalsh@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1152248385.119368.301280@s16g2000cws.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> I'm the original owner of a 1988 pickup, 22R, short bed, manual trans,
> around 173K miles. After 18 years, the original exhaust is starting to
> look a bit rusty, especially since I live near the ocean. I called
> Carson Toyota for an approximate quote, and they said about $2,500 plus
> installation for everything from the exhaust manifold back to the end
> of the tailpipe. This seems awfully expen$ive.
>
> Any recommendations for replacing an original '88 exhaust in the LA /
> Ventura area? What product - OEM or aftermarket - and installer? I
> plan to keep this truck until it completely dies, which I don't see
> happening any time soon.
>[/color]

In article <1152248385.119368.301280@s16g2000cws.googlegroups.com>,
[email]geoffwalsh@gmail.com[/email] wrote:
[color=blue]
> I'm the original owner of a 1988 pickup, 22R, short bed, manual trans,
> around 173K miles. After 18 years, the original exhaust is starting to
> look a bit rusty, especially since I live near the ocean. I called
> Carson Toyota for an approximate quote, and they said about $2,500 plus
> installation for everything from the exhaust manifold back to the end
> of the tailpipe. This seems awfully expen$ive.
>
> Any recommendations for replacing an original '88 exhaust in the LA /
> Ventura area? What product - OEM or aftermarket - and installer? I
> plan to keep this truck until it completely dies, which I don't see
> happening any time soon.[/color]

NAPA carries after-market stock exhaust pipes for your truck.
I bought them for my '86.

--
Welding Instructor - South Seattle Comm. Coll.
- Divers Institute of Technology
CWI/CWE
WABO Examiner

Jeff Strickland wrote:[color=blue]
> I like to use the services of the local Mom & Pop muffler shop for this
> kind of stuff.
>
> I'm not sure that I'd replace the exhaust just because it looks rusted,
> I'm inclined to wait for holes to develop. Having said that, this is a
> good time to look into a system that will increase air flow because
> incerasing flow is perhaps the single most important thing you can do to
> your motor to improve economy and performance. It is difficult to
> justify replacing the system solely to make economy gains, but since you
> are in the mood to replace the system anyway, it is easy to justify
> going from a 1.75 inch system to a 2.25 inch system. The larger system
> will improve air flow, and the cost-up for the larger parts is
> insignificant when compared to the standard parts. (I don't know that
> you have a 1.75 inch system now, I only used that size to illustrate
> that larger is better. Mom & Pop will be able to give you lots of help
> here.)
>
> I bought a larger exhaust systemfrom Mom & Pop in my town for my Jeep to
> include the CAT, muffler, and custom bent pipe for $300 installed.
>
>
>
>
>
> <geoffwalsh@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1152248385.119368.301280@s16g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>[color=green]
>> I'm the original owner of a 1988 pickup, 22R, short bed, manual trans,
>> around 173K miles. After 18 years, the original exhaust is starting to
>> look a bit rusty, especially since I live near the ocean. I called
>> Carson Toyota for an approximate quote, and they said about $2,500 plus
>> installation for everything from the exhaust manifold back to the end
>> of the tailpipe. This seems awfully expen$ive.
>>
>> Any recommendations for replacing an original '88 exhaust in the LA /
>> Ventura area? What product - OEM or aftermarket - and installer? I
>> plan to keep this truck until it completely dies, which I don't see
>> happening any time soon.
>>[/color]
>[/color]
Whoa. Bigger is NOT better. Going bigger will kill your bottom end
power. Stick with the stock size, or if you want power moved away
from bottom end to top end, go up one size. If your old muffler
and/or cat is clogged, then just new stuff will greatly improve the
power.


Ken

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>
> In years past, I might have "modified" the cat, but we have to have a
> smog inspection every two years. Without the cat, my pickup would fail
> and be listed as a gross poluter. Can't afford for that to happen...
> --
> Tom - Vista, CA[/color]

I wouldn'r bother replacing the cat unless it is rusted or not working.
If treated well they last. I just smogged my 92 V6 4x4 with 230,000 on
it. It passed with flying colors (three days later my O2 sensor quit,
though).

In california, it pays to stick with something near the stock setup if
you want to get it smogged. This should only cost a few hundred dollars
not $2500. The deaer is probably sticking you for many hours at
$140/hrs. Also do not replace the manifold just because it is rusty on
the outside. These are heavy duty and will last a long time. Only
replace it if they it is rusted through. The dealer is charging you a
few hundred in parts and labor for that.

You can do all of the work yourself because most of these are simply
bolt on replacements. You might need an impact wrench to get the rusted
nuts/bolts loose, but you can rent one of those.

Thanks all for the excellent suggestions, comments and recommendations.
Based on everyone's advice, I stopped by Washington Muffler by the
corner of Washington and Washington in Culver City. They put it up on
a lift, checked for leaks (listened for leaks and also visual), and the
only parts that we're rusted out were the muffler and tailpipe.
Exhaust manifold to behind the catalytic converter appeared good. So
while I waited they cut off from the muffler back and put together a
new exhaust system. Too much $$ to make any kind of major upgrades to
the exhaust system, but I did opt for the free flowing Magnaflow
muffler. Totat tab out the door was around $230 (a lot better than the
$2.5K!), and my truck runs better and feels like it's got a bit more
power too! Like everything else I've recently fixed on my truck, I
should have done this sooner.

I wrote:[color=blue]
> I'm the original owner of a 1988 pickup, 22R, short bed, manual trans,
> around 173K miles. After 18 years, the original exhaust is starting to
> look a bit rusty, especially since I live near the ocean. I called
> Carson Toyota for an approximate quote, and they said about $2,500 plus
> installation for everything from the exhaust manifold back to the end
> of the tailpipe. This seems awfully expen$ive.
>
> Any recommendations for replacing an original '88 exhaust in the LA /
> Ventura area? What product - OEM or aftermarket - and installer? I
> plan to keep this truck until it completely dies, which I don't see
> happening any time soon.[/color]

glad to hear you got it fixed, and for a reasonable price.
<geoffwalsh@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1152918346.718976.237190@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> Thanks all for the excellent suggestions, comments and recommendations.
> Based on everyone's advice, I stopped by Washington Muffler by the
> corner of Washington and Washington in Culver City. They put it up on
> a lift, checked for leaks (listened for leaks and also visual), and the
> only parts that we're rusted out were the muffler and tailpipe.
> Exhaust manifold to behind the catalytic converter appeared good. So
> while I waited they cut off from the muffler back and put together a
> new exhaust system. Too much $$ to make any kind of major upgrades to
> the exhaust system, but I did opt for the free flowing Magnaflow
> muffler. Totat tab out the door was around $230 (a lot better than the
> $2.5K!), and my truck runs better and feels like it's got a bit more
> power too! Like everything else I've recently fixed on my truck, I
> should have done this sooner.
>
> I wrote:[color=green]
>> I'm the original owner of a 1988 pickup, 22R, short bed, manual trans,
>> around 173K miles. After 18 years, the original exhaust is starting to
>> look a bit rusty, especially since I live near the ocean. I called
>> Carson Toyota for an approximate quote, and they said about $2,500 plus
>> installation for everything from the exhaust manifold back to the end
>> of the tailpipe. This seems awfully expen$ive.
>>
>> Any recommendations for replacing an original '88 exhaust in the LA /
>> Ventura area? What product - OEM or aftermarket - and installer? I
>> plan to keep this truck until it completely dies, which I don't see
>> happening any time soon.[/color]
>[/color]