Are Larger Tires Ok?

I have a question regarding tires for my 02' Tacoma. The shop I went
to could not get Toyo (at least not that day) tires in the same size
as I had they were the original BF Goodrich tires sized at
P265/70R16's. They put P275/70R16's on and told me there would be
little to no difference. Is this true? They said the new tires are
about 3/8" taller and only 10cm wider at the tread and that I would
not notice any difference. So far it seems fine and I know it is not
much of a difference but I thought I would see what others with more
knowledge on this think. A friend of mine said you have to be careful
when using larger tires sometimes as it can change how the truck
performs and possibly cause problems. Thanks for any replies.


Pat

On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 13:41:56 -0700, Pat <me@here.com> wrote:

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>little to no difference. Is this true? They said the new tires are
>about 3/8" taller and only 10cm wider at the tread and that I would[/color]

Just re-reading this and it should be 10mm wider not cm.


Pat

On 4 Jul 2005 14:18:23 -0700, "L" <web1000@shaw.ca> wrote:
[color=blue]
>3/8 in diameter will make no noticable difference. Something else may
>be a legal point. Where you life can you use different size tires w/o
>losing insurance and getting legal issues?
>
>10 mm wider could be an issue IF the tires rub, esp. when steered to
>one side. it should also not make a difference though.
>
>Matt[/color]

Well I am not sure on the insurance if it changes or not where I live.
But it seems like every other truck is lifted and has larger offroad
tires here. The new tires do not rub at all and I had asked that
before they put them on. I have driven it for a few days now and I
have tried some tight turns to test it out and there is no rubbing
that I can tell. The tires could be as much as half inch larger even I
don't know. He said about 3/8" and he had placed them next to my old
ones while they were still on the truck and you could see they were a
bit larger but it was not a huge difference. He said the width
difference was mostly in the tread and the sidewall width would only
be about 1/4" wider. So far I have not noticed anything that would be
a problem though he did say that two of them were a bit harder to
balance and he had to put more weight on them. Something like 3 ounces
each and they turned out to be the two front tires. He said they are
balanced out to zero and there should be no problems but if when
driving at highway speeds I noticed any kind shimmy in the steering
wheel or anything out of the ordinary in the way of vibration he would
switch the two front tires with the back ones which needed less weight
to balance. Does this sound correct? As I mentioned before I am really
out of my element when it comes to this kind of thing. But I have not
noticed anything out of the ordinary and I have driven up to about 80
mph with them on so all seems well anyways. Oh and the tires they put
on were Toyo A/T Open Country. One thing I have noticed vs my old
tires which were the factory BF Goodrich Rugged Trail is that I don't
seem to feel the bumps in the road as much now. There are some roads I
drive over everyday and the new tires seem to absorb a little bit of
the shock going over harder bumps and such. I thought maybe it was
just me but even my wife has noticed it. Thanks again for any replies
or thoughts.


Pat

Changing the size of the tire from the factory size, or altering the vehicle
in any way such as lifting or lowering, will come into play if you are
involved in an accident and the opposing vehicle's driver and owner has an
attorney that has his wits about him. It will definitely not play out in
your favor.
"Pat" <me@here.com> wrote in message
news:rarjc1phgi2j73lgib40r0t2r7ubejbs50@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On 4 Jul 2005 14:18:23 -0700, "L" <web1000@shaw.ca> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>3/8 in diameter will make no noticable difference. Something else may
>>be a legal point. Where you life can you use different size tires w/o
>>losing insurance and getting legal issues?
>>
>>10 mm wider could be an issue IF the tires rub, esp. when steered to
>>one side. it should also not make a difference though.
>>
>>Matt[/color]
>
> Well I am not sure on the insurance if it changes or not where I live.
> But it seems like every other truck is lifted and has larger offroad
> tires here. The new tires do not rub at all and I had asked that
> before they put them on. I have driven it for a few days now and I
> have tried some tight turns to test it out and there is no rubbing
> that I can tell. The tires could be as much as half inch larger even I
> don't know. He said about 3/8" and he had placed them next to my old
> ones while they were still on the truck and you could see they were a
> bit larger but it was not a huge difference. He said the width
> difference was mostly in the tread and the sidewall width would only
> be about 1/4" wider. So far I have not noticed anything that would be
> a problem though he did say that two of them were a bit harder to
> balance and he had to put more weight on them. Something like 3 ounces
> each and they turned out to be the two front tires. He said they are
> balanced out to zero and there should be no problems but if when
> driving at highway speeds I noticed any kind shimmy in the steering
> wheel or anything out of the ordinary in the way of vibration he would
> switch the two front tires with the back ones which needed less weight
> to balance. Does this sound correct? As I mentioned before I am really
> out of my element when it comes to this kind of thing. But I have not
> noticed anything out of the ordinary and I have driven up to about 80
> mph with them on so all seems well anyways. Oh and the tires they put
> on were Toyo A/T Open Country. One thing I have noticed vs my old
> tires which were the factory BF Goodrich Rugged Trail is that I don't
> seem to feel the bumps in the road as much now. There are some roads I
> drive over everyday and the new tires seem to absorb a little bit of
> the shock going over harder bumps and such. I thought maybe it was
> just me but even my wife has noticed it. Thanks again for any replies
> or thoughts.
>
>
> Pat[/color]

On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:38:27 -0400, "Bob Palmer"
<jenbobkatelyn@adelphia.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Changing the size of the tire from the factory size, or altering the vehicle
>in any way such as lifting or lowering, will come into play if you are
>involved in an accident and the opposing vehicle's driver and owner has an
>attorney that has his wits about him. It will definitely not play out in
>your favor.[/color]

He's not talking about going to 35's here.


--- Rich
[url]http://richlockyer.tripod.com/[/url]

[color=blue]
> Well I am not sure on the insurance if it changes or not where I live.
> But it seems like every other truck is lifted and has larger offroad
> tires here.[/color]

Fair enough, but that doesnt mean they still have insurance cover other
than in their mind .... look into that! Some lawa are anal

The new tires do not rub at all and I had asked that[color=blue]
> before they put them on. I have driven it for a few days now and I
> have tried some tight turns to test it out and there is no rubbing
> that I can tell.[/color]

Try steering to one side AND flexing the suspension up. If it doesnt
rub then , its cool.

The tires could be as much as half inch larger even I[color=blue]
> don't know. He said about 3/8" and he had placed them next to my old
> ones while they were still on the truck and you could see they were a
> bit larger but it was not a huge difference. He said the width
> difference was mostly in the tread and the sidewall width would only
> be about 1/4" wider. So far I have not noticed anything that would be
> a problem though he did say that two of them were a bit harder to
> balance and he had to put more weight on them.[/color]

bigger tires can have bigger imbalance, in your case its just a bad
tire.
[color=blue]
>Something like 3 ounces[/color]

that is a lot.

[color=blue]
> each and they turned out to be the two front tires. He said they are
> balanced out to zero and there should be no problems but if when
> driving at highway speeds I noticed any kind shimmy in the steering
> wheel or anything out of the ordinary in the way of vibration he would
> switch the two front tires with the back ones which needed less weight
> to balance. Does this sound correct?[/color]

yes but vibrating tires will damage bearings rear or front. Either
your wheels or tires are "not ideal"

As I mentioned before I am really[color=blue]
> out of my element when it comes to this kind of thing. But I have not
> noticed anything out of the ordinary and I have driven up to about 80
> mph with them on so all seems well anyways. Oh and the tires they put
> on were Toyo A/T Open Country. One thing I have noticed vs my old
> tires which were the factory BF Goodrich Rugged Trail is that I don't
> seem to feel the bumps in the road as much now. There are some roads I
> drive over everyday and the new tires seem to absorb a little bit of
> the shock going over harder bumps and such. I thought maybe it was
> just me but even my wife has noticed it. Thanks again for any replies
> or thoughts.[/color]

could be air pressure more than the tire itself...

Matt

Rich Lockyer wrote:[color=blue]
> On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:38:27 -0400, "Bob Palmer"
> <jenbobkatelyn@adelphia.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >Changing the size of the tire from the factory size, or altering the vehicle
> >in any way such as lifting or lowering, will come into play if you are
> >involved in an accident and the opposing vehicle's driver and owner has an
> >attorney that has his wits about him. It will definitely not play out in
> >your favor.[/color]
>
> He's not talking about going to 35's here.[/color]

will make little difference if it is a prying point for a lawyer...

On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 20:59:03 -0700, Rich Lockyer
<rlockyer@linkline.DONTSPAMME.com> wrote:[color=blue]
>On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:38:27 -0400, "Bob Palmer"
><jenbobkatelyn@adelphia.net> wrote:[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>>Changing the size of the tire from the factory size, or altering the vehicle
>>in any way such as lifting or lowering, will come into play if you are
>>involved in an accident and the opposing vehicle's driver and owner has an
>>attorney that has his wits about him. It will definitely not play out in
>>your favor.[/color]
>
>He's not talking about going to 35's here.[/color]

I have to agree with Rich here - going up one tire size isn't gong
to make a lot of difference as long as they fit the rims properly, fit
inside the fenders and don't rub, and meet the load rating needs of
the vehicle. And for every lawyer the prosecution gets alleging
negligence, the defense can get another one that says it was perfectly
safe.

My Land Cruiser came with P225/75R15 "D" Extra Load tires - which
are hard to get and expensive. The replacement tire everyone uses is
either a normal P235/75R15 "C" or LT235/75R15 "C". Or a higher load
"D" or "E" LT tire that will give you even longer tire wear - if your
kidneys can take the pounding.

(And on further reflection on that flippant comment, I know at least
one person here who wouldn't want to do that... ;-)

Now if the guy put on cheap 155/80/14 tires that should go on a 5"
wide rim onto 12" wide rims (numbers picked out of my hat as an
example) to get that "Lowrider Look" without spending the big bucks
for real 35-series tires - but also made a patently unsafe condition
by using the wrong wheel width and driving on the sidewalls, and/or by
severely overloading the tire past it's limits.

Then if he got in an accident and killed somebody when the tire blew
out, the vehicle owner and the tire shop who mounted and installed
those tires could easily be found guilty of gross negligence. And if
the other guy's lawyer didn't try going after him for that, the lawyer
would be negligent.

--<< Bruce >>--

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On 4 Jul 2005 22:33:50 -0700, "L" <web1000@shaw.ca> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Rich Lockyer wrote:[color=green]
>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:38:27 -0400, "Bob Palmer"
>> <jenbobkatelyn@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> >Changing the size of the tire from the factory size, or altering the vehicle
>> >in any way such as lifting or lowering, will come into play if you are
>> >involved in an accident and the opposing vehicle's driver and owner has an
>> >attorney that has his wits about him. It will definitely not play out in
>> >your favor.[/color]
>>
>> He's not talking about going to 35's here.[/color]
>
>will make little difference if it is a prying point for a lawyer...[/color]

Pretty easily defensible, given that Toyota's factory-supplied rubber
ranges from 245 to 265


--- Rich
[url]http://richlockyer.tripod.com/[/url]

Pat, don't worry about it. Long explanaton short.

I went from 225's stock on my 03 Taco to 265's.

"Rich Lockyer" <rlockyer@linkline.DONTSPAMME.com> wrote in message
news:vlbkc1dteg3hb130n10bfpc1vf3l6tqvr7@4ax.com...
| On 4 Jul 2005 22:33:50 -0700, "L" <web1000@shaw.ca> wrote:
|
| >Rich Lockyer wrote:
| >> On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:38:27 -0400, "Bob Palmer"
| >> <jenbobkatelyn@adelphia.net> wrote:
| >>
| >> >Changing the size of the tire from the factory size, or altering
the vehicle
| >> >in any way such as lifting or lowering, will come into play if you
are
| >> >involved in an accident and the opposing vehicle's driver and
owner has an
| >> >attorney that has his wits about him. It will definitely not play
out in
| >> >your favor.
| >>
| >> He's not talking about going to 35's here.
| >
| >will make little difference if it is a prying point for a lawyer...
|
| Pretty easily defensible, given that Toyota's factory-supplied rubber
| ranges from 245 to 265
|
|
| --- Rich
| [url]http://richlockyer.tripod.com/[/url]


Yes, and my '99 Taco came with, and still has, 31's on it. The door
sticker says 225X75R15. I asked the Service Manager at my local dealer
why it wasn't stickered for 31's since it came that way from the
factory. His reply was that 225's is the smallest that can be put on the
the truck.

Jarhead

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human
passions unbridled by morality and religion...Our Constitution was made
only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the
government of any other."
-John Adams

Rich Lockyer wrote:[color=blue]
> On 4 Jul 2005 22:33:50 -0700, "L" <web1000@shaw.ca> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >Rich Lockyer wrote:[color=darkred]
> >> On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:38:27 -0400, "Bob Palmer"
> >> <jenbobkatelyn@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Changing the size of the tire from the factory size, or altering the vehicle
> >> >in any way such as lifting or lowering, will come into play if you are
> >> >involved in an accident and the opposing vehicle's driver and owner has an
> >> >attorney that has his wits about him. It will definitely not play out in
> >> >your favor.
> >>
> >> He's not talking about going to 35's here.[/color]
> >
> >will make little difference if it is a prying point for a lawyer...[/color]
>
> Pretty easily defensible, given that Toyota's factory-supplied rubber
> ranges from 245 to 265[/color]

looks safe then.... just get your bases covered.. liability law suits
without insurance aint pretty

On 4 Jul 2005 22:33:06 -0700, "L" <web1000@shaw.ca> wrote:
[color=blue]
>yes but vibrating tires will damage bearings rear or front. Either
>your wheels or tires are "not ideal"
>
>As I mentioned before I am really[color=green]
>> out of my element when it comes to this kind of thing. But I have not
>> noticed anything out of the ordinary and I have driven up to about 80
>> mph with them on so all seems well anyways. Oh and the tires they put
>> on were Toyo A/T Open Country. One thing I have noticed vs my old
>> tires which were the factory BF Goodrich Rugged Trail is that I don't
>> seem to feel the bumps in the road as much now. There are some roads I
>> drive over everyday and the new tires seem to absorb a little bit of
>> the shock going over harder bumps and such. I thought maybe it was
>> just me but even my wife has noticed it. Thanks again for any replies
>> or thoughts.[/color]
>
>could be air pressure more than the tire itself...
>
>Matt[/color]

On this part the recommended air pressure for the new tires is the
same as my old ones being 35 psi so I don't think it is that. On
feeling any vibration there is none that I can tell. I will drive
these for awhile and see how it goes. The truck seems to handle the
same as before other than it seeming to take bumps in the road a
little better now. If I do feel any vibration in the front I will tell
the guy to switch it out for a new tire vs moving it to the back based
on what you have told me about vibration and bearings. But again so
far all is well. I did also think that having to put almost 3 ounces
on a tire to balance it seemed like alot but he said thats just how
tires are sometimes. He said especially when you are dealing with the
larger sizes or ones that have a more agressive tread. He pointed out
that when they mount the real big tires like the big mud/offroad types
they use small sand bag looking type things placed in the tire. At
least I think thats what he said but he showed me one and it was
labeled as a tire balancing bag. Well again thanks for all the replies
and thoughts. I have learned a little here and I think I will be ok. I
will just have to keep up on these and if there is anytning out of the
ordinary I will go back and make them correct it.


Pat

On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 13:41:56 -0700, Pat <me@here.com> wrote:

Well I see I got a pretty good conversation going and I want to thank
everyone for their replies. Just for kicks I went out and there is an
ally by my house with speed bumps down it. So I made sharp turns going
over them at varying speeds and there was no rubbing at all. I'm sure
anyone watching thought I was nuts but what the heck. Maybe not the
most scientific test but I thought I would try it anyways. Today I had
also talked to a guy at work who used to build race cars in his
younger days and he was of the opinion it should be fine as long as
there was no rubbing and or vibration as mentioned by others. Ok again
thanks to all and if there are any more ideas on this they are all
welcome.

Peace,
Pat

On 5 Jul 2005 08:39:04 -0700, "L" <web1000@shaw.ca> wrote:
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>> >> >Changing the size of the tire from the factory size, or altering the vehicle
>> >> >in any way such as lifting or lowering, will come into play if you are
>> >> >involved in an accident and the opposing vehicle's driver and owner has an
>> >> >attorney that has his wits about him. It will definitely not play out in
>> >> >your favor.
>> >>
>> >> He's not talking about going to 35's here.
>> >
>> >will make little difference if it is a prying point for a lawyer...[/color]
>>
>> Pretty easily defensible, given that Toyota's factory-supplied rubber
>> ranges from 245 to 265[/color]
>
>looks safe then.... just get your bases covered.. liability law suits
>without insurance aint pretty[/color]

It falls back on deep pockets. Lawyers always go for the max
liability limits. Little insurance, little case. No insurance, just
as likely an out of court settlement and an uncollectable judgment.

Sometimes I'm happy that my credit sucks... someone once stole my
identity and gave it back because they were turned down for a $100
Amazon.com purchase :)



--- Rich
[url]http://richlockyer.tripod.com/[/url]