A/C TEMP ON O2 TACOMA

IS 134A A VERY GOOD FREON? TO ME THE R12 GOT COLDER FASTER IT SEEM TO
TAKE A LONG TIEM TO COOL DOWN TO 40 IS 40 A GOOD TEMP?

BAIN15

there are bigger kick backs on the 134


"dan baker" <GoBain15@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> IS 134A A VERY GOOD FREON? TO ME THE R12 GOT COLDER FASTER IT SEEM TO
> TAKE A LONG TIEM TO COOL DOWN TO 40 IS 40 A GOOD TEMP?
>
> BAIN15
>[/color]

dan baker wrote:[color=blue]
> IS 134A A VERY GOOD FREON? TO ME THE R12 GOT COLDER FASTER IT SEEM TO
> TAKE A LONG TIEM TO COOL DOWN TO 40 IS 40 A GOOD TEMP?
>
> BAIN15
>[/color]
R-134a is a good refrigerant. It requires about 20% larger, more
power machinery to get the same cooling effect.

40 out of the vents is as low as you should go, and maybe too low.
You do not want 32°F in the cooling section or it might frost up and
stop air flow.

R-134a is not a Freon. Freon is a registered trade name for
DuPont's chlorofluorocarbon refrigerants.


Ken

On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 11:53:53 -0700, Ken Shelton
<shelton@cablespeed.com> wrote:[color=blue]
>dan baker wrote:[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> IS 134A A VERY GOOD FREON? TO ME THE R12 GOT COLDER FASTER IT SEEM TO
>> TAKE A LONG TIEM TO COOL DOWN TO 40 IS 40 A GOOD TEMP?[/color]
>
>R-134a is a good refrigerant. It requires about 20% larger, more
>power machinery to get the same cooling effect.[/color]

R-134a (the new stuff) works just fine in a system designed from the
factory to use it, and it works almost as well in a R-12 system that
is retrofitted to use R-134a.
[color=blue]
>40 out of the vents is as low as you should go, and maybe too low.
>You do not want 32°F in the cooling section or it might frost up and
>stop air flow.
>
>R-134a is not a Freon. Freon is a registered trade name for
>DuPont's chlorofluorocarbon refrigerants.[/color]

And Suva is the DuPont registered trade name for many of their other
refrigerants. Dupont makes Freon and Suva, nobody else does.

Everyone else makes R-12, R-22, R-134a, etcetera, and if they want
to push their own trade name for the product that's their business -
but they can't call it Freon or Suva. If they do, DuPont can and will
sue them for trademark infringement.

Look at Aspirin - it was a registered trademark of Bayer AG, but
they didn't defend it properly for many years. When they finally
tried to stop other companies from abusing the name a court ruled that
they were too late and voided the trademark, the name is now free to
use on all the generics.

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"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote:[color=blue]
>
>
> R-134a (the new stuff) works just fine in a system designed from[/color]
the[color=blue]
>factory to use it, and it works almost as well in a R-12 system that
>is retrofitted to use R-134a.
>[/color]

I would not be so bold. R134 is not a good replacement is a sysyem
designs for R12, it is the only common over the counter one that they
push. R134 is not compatable with R12 oil and to make a conversion
work, you have to add extra oil that binds with the R12 oil and allows
it all to be carried through system by R134 which cause in a effect a
overcharge of oil in system. R134 has less cooling capacity and runs
at a higher pressure than R12 which can increase strain on old R12
compressors. As far as performance on a R12 conversion, I have seen
some that do poorly and some do okay but none that have done as well
as they did with R12. THere are some other after market alternatives
to R134 to use as a replacement for R12 and I mayself in my own cars I
would only use R134 in a R12 system as a last resort.

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"Ken Shelton" <shelton@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
news:FM-dnXRSf4NcVlPfRVn-iw@cablespeedwa.com...[color=blue]
> dan baker wrote:[color=green]
>> IS 134A A VERY GOOD FREON? TO ME THE R12 GOT COLDER FASTER IT SEEM TO
>> TAKE A LONG TIEM TO COOL DOWN TO 40 IS 40 A GOOD TEMP? BAIN15
>>[/color]
> R-134a is a good refrigerant. It requires about 20% larger, more power
> machinery to get the same cooling effect.
>
> 40 out of the vents is as low as you should go, and maybe too low. You do
> not want 32°F in the cooling section or it might frost up and stop air
> flow.
>
> R-134a is not a Freon. Freon is a registered trade name for DuPont's
> chlorofluorocarbon refrigerants.
>[/color]
r-134a is crap. high pressures, low efficiency, poisonous, breaks down to
triflouric acid with heat,...
i am in the process of changing to iso-butane, it is only explosive.
[color=blue]
>
> Ken[/color]

ok thanks for ur help gess iam wher it sopose to be any ideas on how to
get i tto cool faster thanks

BAIN15

dan baker wrote:[color=blue]
> ok thanks for ur help gess iam wher it sopose to be any ideas on how to
> get i tto cool faster thanks
>
> BAIN15
>[/color]
Be SURE the heat is actually fully off. The hot water valve must
actually close all the way.


Ken