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jvic04 · 10-28-2005, 11:29 AM

I have a 1996 toyota tercel 4dr and it has 120000 miles and i wanted to know what i could do to make it go faster. A engine swap or to add stuff to the engine i need as much help as possible please help

Paseo15psi · 10-28-2005, 12:49 PM

Welcome to the board! You may want to start by using the search funtion or just browsing the forum. What you should do all depends on how much that you want to spend of course. There are several engine swap options, you can turbo what you have now, or just stay N/A and get some bolt ons. Being that you have a DIS 5efe in your Terc kinda of limits you, but you can still do all that I said without too much trouble.

UTA · 10-28-2005, 05:46 PM

budget, Budget, BUDGET....what is realistically in your budget and what do you want in the long term? IF your thinking short term, go bolt on as described in the previous and present thread. Otherwise, if its long term, true Tercel Enthusiasts aim for the engine swap. It will bring you car from the regulars to the elite and trust..you wont want to go back!

UTA

jvic04 · 10-28-2005, 07:06 PM

i am looking for the long term stuff so what should i go for on the engine

UTA · 10-28-2005, 07:44 PM

If your trying to keep it, there is the option to go turbo, but you will have to make sure the fueling is right and the boost level is not too high or you will blow. again, it comes back to whats in your budget. speed cost money!

jvic04 · 10-28-2005, 11:05 PM

i want speed so i am willing to spend the money

Dr Tweak · 10-29-2005, 12:57 AM

In that case, go for a swap.

4EFTE
4AGE
2ZZGe
3SGTE if you're crazy.

Or you can go with the 5EFHE but that's a waste of money IMHO.

Paseo15psi · 10-29-2005, 08:31 AM

5efhe is most definately NOT a waste of money. I love it and it is a great base to build on. Plus it is pretty inexpensive and pretty easy to find. Don't leave the 5efhe out of your choices by any means. The 4age 20 valve "BlackTop" would probably be your best bet as far as price, availability, fit, and all that.

jvic04 · 10-29-2005, 01:55 PM

thanks what about springs and brakes what about those

jvic04 · 10-29-2005, 01:56 PM

what is the 3sgte

***Tercel GTS*** · 10-29-2005, 03:21 PM

A 91^ MR2 Turbo engine, also found in the alltrac celica(AWD) and the JDM caldina. Requires frame modifications and custom everything.

You can barely see one in a tercel in my avitar or if you want to see a couple of running ones look at GT_REVVA or tavo23. Both have made a swap and driving them.

Suspension can be ordered in any stage you want. My daily driver has tein HR's made for a starlet. Rear disc brakes can be sought from the same startlet and paseo caliper brackets and rotors will step the front up. Or you can always get creative and make your own brake system at a greater cost of course.

UTA · 10-29-2005, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Paseo15psi

5efhe is most definately NOT a waste of money. I love it and it is a great base to build on. Plus it is pretty inexpensive and pretty easy to find. Don't leave the 5efhe out of your choices by any means. .

Indeed! With the Boosted A.S.I. 1.5 being the front line for swapped Tercels, the 5E-FHE alone is a very inexpensive and formidable swap, when turbocharged its just berserk. There are several BYP/Back Yard Productions Terrorcels who are known as the Dream Team who have some footage and pics up of their cars in action. Believe me, the 5E-FHE Turboed is sick. I'd go that route.

UTA

Dr Tweak · 10-29-2005, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Paseo15psi

5efhe is most definately NOT a waste of money. I love it and it is a great base to build on. Plus it is pretty inexpensive and pretty easy to find. Don't leave the 5efhe out of your choices by any means. The 4age 20 valve "BlackTop" would probably be your best bet as far as price, availability, fit, and all that.

Sure, it's a strong engine, but it makes no more power than the 5EFE. If you're going to go through all the trouble of doing a swap, why not spend a few hundred more and put a 4AGE in and have at LEAST 50 more hp and more potential. That's what I would do.

A 5EFHE swap AND a turbo setup is going to run you at LEAST $3000 in parts alone, if you do all the work yourself, and you have to run at more than 150% of stock power just to get to the level of the 4AGE, and then you have to push it even further to beat it.

For the same price you could easily have a 4AGE silvertop... now boost that, and THAT will be crazy. (160hp at 150% is 240hp!) To get to the same power level with a 5EFHE, you have to run at 240%!!!

A 5EFHE is a good option if you need to get a new engine anyway and you just want something stock, or if you really don't want to mess with a custom mount and custom wiring.

***Tercel GTS*** · 10-30-2005, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Tweak

A 5EFHE swap AND a turbo setup is going to run you at LEAST $3000 in parts alone, if you do all the work yourself, and you have to run at more than 150% of stock power just to get to the level of the 4AGE, and then you have to push it even further to beat it.

For the same price you could easily have a 4AGE silvertop... now boost that, and THAT will be crazy. (160hp at 150% is 240hp!) To get to the same power level with a 5EFHE, you have to run at 240%!!!

These were the reasons I decided on the 3SGTE swap. Costly to install, but stock over 200hp and loads of potential.

Paseo15psi · 10-30-2005, 08:27 AM

Maybe you guys should research the 5efhe a bit more or drive a car with one. There is a difference. It has as much hp stock as a 5efe with basic bolt ons. You can pick up a 5efhe for less than $500 shipped if you know where to look. And also adding turbo can be done for less than a grand with a ct9 kit since the 5efhe harness is almost exactly the same as the 4efte harness and all you have to do is swap the ecu and change over a few wires. A better turbo manifold would cost around $600 if you have one of the GT Turbo guys to source it for you. Plus the 5efhe is proven to be able to run boost on stock internals for damn near 300 hp. But then again, I have a 5efhe Paseo that I have finally worked all the bugs out of, so I'm a bit biased. Plus I lucked up and got a LSD with mine too. In any case guy. Research EVERY option we have given and decide for yourself how much you want to spend, how long you want to be without your car, how much you want to modify your car, the balance of weight that each swap has, lots to think about.