NEW ENGINE selection!

[Celler]

I have problem settling down on an engine. I hear about all those small class engines out there and how good they are. Here is the list I have to choose from. In brackets my opinion/problem with it.

If I missed any, please le me know.

1) 3ete 1.5L Turbo (way too old not a chance in hell I will put that in)
2) 3ee 1.5L (I got the junk I’d rather shoot my self in the head then buy another one)
3) 4efte 1.3L Turbo (Now we are talking) 135HP
4) 5efhe 1.5L (I think its just as good) 115HP
5) 5efe 1.5L (I hear its half Hybrid a.k.a. I am not interested)

Now I came down to 2 final motors to choose from. Before I get any further there is another problem aprat from power. #3 is clearly better selection. But it only comes from Japan and the parts for it only will come from Japan and any upgrades I might want will have to come from there. There for it will cost more in the long run. Even though the power is great. #4 not as powerful but all the parts are available in mass count around here and much more upgrades for it also available. So I am leaning towards #4 for now.
Moving on with my problem.
For me upgrade of an engine doesn’t just stop at bolting on a cold intake and a set of high pref headers and turbo. What I tam talking about is going deep inside and increase the size and boosting the power in the stock form. And that is exactly what I am basing my decision on. I know for the fact that boring my 3EE will not do much good because the engine will not take much increasing in size before it will start having problems. So that is why I don't want to stay with it. Now lets say I pick #4 what size can I bore it to and no have problem with over heating. (What the actual seize I can to and can I get pistons and grins for it Please details on that links for specs would be nice) Keep in mind that one day there will be Turbo and Nos on it. So it will add to the pressure. And abuse I will put on the engine will increase greatly. I was looking through Tercel sites and I can't find anything on making the engine bigger. So please some one enlighten me. I really want to increase the size but I don't know to what, to be safe. Before the cooling system won’t be able to handle it. Lets say I bored the engine (What engine out of those will be the best to bore), now what?. Will the ECU work fine with the new size or it has to be replaced or modified (Do they even do that? ) and how about the rest of the components how will they work?. Will the gas pump pull the new amount of fuel in time. And how about the cam shaft and valves will they stay open long enough.? Someone who knows what I am talking about please settle this for me. The increase of the size is the main factor in my decision. ( If or after I bore will I be able to just drive it, doesn’t have to be in full power. I can keep adding parts and replacing components as I go. I just need to get to work some how) Or ones its bored it all has to be replaced
I also hear that I can get bigger and better engines. But I also hear that they need custom mounts. Lets say I get an engine, for example one of these

If I missed any please, let me know.

4age N/A
4AGE 20VALVE
4AGZE SC
3SFE 2.0L N/A Celica 115hp
3SGE 2.0L N/A Celica 135hp
3SGTE 2.0L Turbo Celica/MR2 190-200hp-260ps

Now I know the mounts are not the same. And the harnesses will not click in. And the tranny won't bolt on and the ECU won't pull it of. I can't imagine that Tercel's gas pump and cooling system will be enough. So right of the bat let me sum it up. After getting one of those engines for about $2000 or more (with a tranny, ecu and harnesses) how much more will it take to make the custom mounts and getting all the new wiring and sensors in. I mean after spending $2000 or more how much more money will I need to replace all incompatible parts and before I can turn the key and hear it go WROOOM WROOOM! ( If or after I install one of those engines. Can I just do basic installation just to get it running to get me to work and back. As I go I will replace all the parts to unleash its full potential or it has to be done all at ones)

[Daox]

First of all we need to know what you want out of this swap. You want to bore out the cylinders is all we know. We also know that you can't bore these out far at all. The space between the cylinders is just too small. If you want a bigger engine you're going to have to buy a bigger one and put it in there. We also need to know what kind of budget you are looking at for this swap. Goals and budget, thats what we need to know.

[Celler]

ME NO CAN BORE MUCH? NOOOO....Not much how much is it?

I am thinking about getting an engine some where from 800 (Canadian) to 1300. Complite swap (Tranny, ecu not cur or cut bu usebale harnesses). I also work in the garge so I get all the parts at cost. So any thing extra I might need I can pull it. The only think I will buy else where is the Engine with complite swap. The rest I will get from work.

And you didn't say any thing about those big guns engines I listed below... I know they are from like a 900 to 3000 but I know they are better. So what the installation like coz I can squizze a little bit more money if it will get a better engine. Whats the boring setuation on them?

Thanks.

PLEASE SUGGEST A GOOD place to get an engine from in CANADA. I can get it delivered straight to work so it will cheape too..

[TTercel]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-T...QQcmdZViewItem

There is a 4efte^ and I heard that the 5efhe only makes 110hp and when you drop it in to your car the power is barely noticeable from the 5efe. Just my 2 cents.

[Celler]

Thanks for the link, I seen that motor already. It from states and it will be about 1500 before I will have it on my hands. So I am not really interested. And it does not include the ECU that will be another 150 so it way to much even for that motor. I wouldent mind getting the same thing but from Canada that actully sold for Canadian dollars.

Cany anyone concentrate on my original post and help me out in that field.

Thank for the support so far.

[Tercel GTS]

The font you chose makes reading the first post painfull on my eyes, however I saw a good bit in there about boring an engine. This is the most costly method of seaking horsepower you can choose. If an E series block won't produce enough power for your likes then use a larger block.
How fast can you afford to go?

*edit* I have a thread up for an inexpensive 4EFTE, one is in Canada

[ShowCarTercel]

I have the 5efhe in my Tercel. I bought it from Osaka Motors in Quebec. Hasn't blown up yet and I bounce it off fuel cut daily. So I guess it's good.

I'm not sure why you seem so set on boring the motor out. I say get a 5efhe, turbo the whore out of it for about 250whp. If you need more, you could rebuild the internals using aftermarket/custom made stuff and turbo it ever more for like 300+whp. I'm just turboing mine a bit (around 12 psi), I already bought a Greddy E-Manage Blue. The parts build up has begun.

[Celler]

OK OK OK.
I get it. Boring = BAD IDEA. Unless I have nothing better to do with the money then whipe my ass. Which I don't lol. Fine then, moving on. NO BORING FOR ME. So now all I got to do is just choose an engine. And just up it from there. Today I was reading up about tercel swaps I cam across and interesting thing. I know the 4efte 1.3L is a good engine and I hear a loads of good things about it. But again that SIZE. I mean I though 1.5 was kind of small that why I though of boring it! but then I cam across this jem on the net (Some people stay or get 5efhe 1.5L and put a 4efte 1.3L turbo charged head on it.) To me that sound like a sweet combo. Any opinions on that. Or should I just fricking settle on one of them already and leave you the hell alone with this horse shit lol. So guys please help me choose between those two banger. 5efhe 1.5L or 4efte 1.3L . I like 4 coz its turbo chanrged but it small and looks like it will not go well through abuse such as NOS and alot bigger turbo. But 5 is bigger so it looks like it will go wiht my planned abuse but its weaker. SEE WHAT MEAN. If you only i could shear my head with you guys, one of you would put a bullet in it long time ago lol. PLEASE settel this for me. Coz some how I mamanged to bust my Oil Pump Drive Pully yesterday, right about a month from when I will take a week off and have enough money to drop a new engine in lol. I will make another new Thred about that pully and Timing belt if you want follow up on that. Really need a new engine looks like that one will commite suicide any day now.

And so far no help with those other engines I listed. I mean if it takes few more $$$ just to get one of those bigger egines hell I will find the money. So please give me your thoughts on those.

TERCEL GTS I don't know how fast. Thats why I am all confused. There is already a post about what amount of money I want to spend up there. Please read ^ ^ ^.

Show Car Tercel you got your Motor from Quebec, I live in Ottawa ON. Man if its close enough I might even drive there. Please give me a link to them or some thing. Do they have lots of Tercel fit engines to choose from? And how are the prices? How much did you pay for yours?

[ShowCarTercel]

So I checked Osaka's website just now, they don't have the 5efhe listed anymore. But I paid $850 Canadian shipped for mine. http://www.osakajdmmotors.com/introtoyota.htm

There is also Sunrise JDM and they have the 4efte. http://www.sunrisejdmmotors.com/toyota.php

I'm very biased for the 5efhe. Read as much as you can and know as much as you can before you start. This will help prevent unforeseen problems. Check you here-->http://board.tercelonline.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=78 for info on BYP and engine swaps and all the info you could ever need. You'll want to get a BYP (www.back-yard-productions.com) custom Plug N' Play harness for whatever it is you choose. This will solve your wiring nightmares. You want that.

What I'm doing is...
5efhe motor, 4efte wiring harness and ECU. I just recently picked up a Greddy E-Manage Blue from ebay for engine management, upgrading the injectors to 330cc ones. Then either get a custom made manifold or modify a 5efte/5efe manifold to have a turbo on it. Then a nice Civic eating front mount intercooler. And then a bunch of other stuff and parts to keep everything working.

But this will make a high compression turbo, so you'll actually have some torque. But tuning is very important, that's the biggest thing to keep in mind. Anyone can buy a bunch of parts, but you have to make them work properly so nothing blows up.

[Celler]

OK Let me get this straight now.

If I get a Complite Swap (Motor, Tranny, Uncut Harnesses and ECU)
For 5efhe 1.5L or 4efte 1.3L . You say I will need some other thing just to put it in.
I hear that it plugs right in. And you doo all the adjsatments turn the key over and off you go. Takes about week to drop it in. Thats why I am looking for an engine of thesame family as mine so it will be less hussel for now. (Are you sure that it will need all the custom stuff you talking about just to start and take me to work??)

[Celler]

Some one please read the my frist post and give me a word about those high pref engines I listed? Please. I want to see if I should skeep the little guys and go straight for the big power if it is only a matter of a few 100$s.

[Tercel GTS]

Originally Posted by Tercel GTS

The font you chose makes reading the first post painfull on my eyes,

Originally Posted by Celler

TERCEL GTS I don't know how fast. Thats why I am all confused. There is already a post about what amount of money I want to spend up there. Please read ^ ^ ^.

Maybe you should do a little reading as well.
Not to mention there's a 4 page thread on this exact subject in the stickies.

How fast can you afford to go?
^ It's a a statement by the way, not a question. Kinda like;
fast
dependable
cheap
pick two

Please try to be a little more courtious, after all we are trying to help you.

[ShowCarTercel]

I'm pretty sure that even with an uncut harness, you will need to change it around.

If you have a 91-94, you can run a 5efhe using your stock ECU and wiring harness and then a 92-95 paseo's distributor till you're ready to go turbo. That's what I'm doing. Might have to switch a few other little things too.

Going for a bigger motor will require a lot more then a few hundred. You will have a bigger wiring nightmare, plus having to make custom motor mounts, axles and other things. Not worth it unless you want a stupid amount of power (400+). Which would make your Tercel a Certified Tree (,pole, ditch, guard rail, etc...) Finder.

[Celler]

Well actually I want 400+ HP lol. But for now I don't have that kind of $$$ so lets stop on some thing small.

By the way where 5efhe come from? Paseo right? If yes then ignor the Q about the distributor but not the ECU.

So if I get 5efhe, full swap that includes the distributor and ECU I will still need another distributor from Paseo and I can't use the ECU that swap comes with? I must use my old ECU from my 94 Cel? And if I want to go TURBO, what will I need then?


And what about 4efte 1.3L. What will take to install. If it comes full swap (tranny, ecu, wires uncut.) And all the externals? What extra stuff will I need for it to work?

[Celler]

Originally Posted by Tercel GTS

*edit* I have a thread up for an inexpensive 4EFTE, one is in Canada

Where did you get it from got link? And how much? Was it a full swap with stand Tranny and what about externals?

Thanks.