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Old 11-17-2006, 07:25 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Quick question about my lift.

If I take out the rear AAL and the front 1/2" spacers leaving in only the 884 coils, will my truck sit level or will the front sit higher. The reason I ask is because it would probably get rid of all my vibration issues. Might be the best way to go right now. I can't spend 4 bills on a 1 piece drive shaft this close the X-Mas.
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Old 11-17-2006, 06:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It probably won't be level. Not sure what you numbers are so I'll run mine by you. My toytec spacer & AAL lift added ~4" to the front and ~2.75" to the rear. That brought the fenders up to 38.75" rear and 38" front. So the front is only slightly lower than the rear. Assuming similar changes in your lift, I would guess the rear would drop by nearly 3" while you're only dropping the front by .5". If that was mine truck then it would be sitting at 37.5" front, 36" rear. Adding any load to the back would make it sag more.

Did you take any before/after measurements so we could guestimate what would happen?
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Old 11-17-2006, 06:18 PM   #3 (permalink)
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You've added the increased height gained from your taller tires into the equation. Measure from the center of the hub to the fender if you want suspension measurements alone.
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Old 11-17-2006, 06:39 PM   #4 (permalink)
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eh. it was just a rough guess anyway. I just assumed if his suspension reacted in a similar way the truck would not be level if he did that. The extra height of the tires isn't going to affect the truck height is it? I mean, unless the tires are changed or deflated then they affect the truck the same amount with or without a lift right?

Meaning that his truck may not have the same measurements front and rear as mine, but the overall effect would be the rear sitting lower than the front. Maybe I'm missing something tho.
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Thanks for the replies guys. I guess I'm S.O.L for now. This blows because I really like the stance of the truck now.
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Stupid question, but are your AAL's on right? Seems like I remember something about putting the "long end" of the toytec's to the back of the truck. I didn't about it much until someone on here mentioned how they were shaped in such a way to angle the axle and drive shaft joint to prevent binding. Something about them bending the leaf springs slight when compress to change the angle of the u-joint.

I honestly don't remember if I paid much attention to that when I installed mine, but I don't have any vibrations so..... I think I remember looking at them, scratching my head and thinking "wtf? they look the same?!" but that was a few months ago so who knows.
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Stupid question, but are your AAL's on right? Seems like I remember something about putting the "long end" of the toytec's to the back of the truck. I didn't about it much until someone on here mentioned how they were shaped in such a way to angle the axle and drive shaft joint to prevent binding. Something about them bending the leaf springs slight when compress to change the angle of the u-joint.

I honestly don't remember if I paid much attention to that when I installed mine, but I don't have any vibrations so..... I think I remember looking at them, scratching my head and thinking "wtf? they look the same?!" but that was a few months ago so who knows.
Thats actually a good question and I have no idea. I didn't do the insatll my friend did it and I drank beer and helped here and there.
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Old 11-17-2006, 07:23 PM   #8 (permalink)
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The extra height of the tires isn't going to affect the truck height is it? I mean, unless the tires are changed or deflated then they affect the truck the same amount with or without a lift right?
Yes the tires effect height, but I understand that's not the point you were making. Problem with your statment however was you said removing the AAL would drop the back by almost 3" and the front would only drop 0.5". In saying that you account for change in tire height with the front but not the rear, thus implying the height in the front was gained by both tires and suspension but the rear was gained by the AAL alone. You forgot to account for the height gained by the rear tires and attributed the rear lift solely to the AAL, thus making the difference sound more dramatic then it actually would be.

The real difference made to the rake of the truck would most likely net a difference of only 1"
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Old 11-17-2006, 07:24 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Thats actually a good question and I have no idea. I didn't do the insatll my friend did it and I drank beer and helped here and there.
In that case, can you see enough of the AAL to measure from the centering pin to each end? Figure out if one end is longer than the other? It'd be a free check at this point, and free labor if you can swap them around if you can do it yourself. I would think you'd be able to let the centering bolt out just enough to spin them around and bolt it back together if you did notice a difference. Either way it would keep the truck's stance, and possibly save you the cost of a drive shaft if that solves the problem. Or I could just be talking shit... It's been a long day.
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Yes the tires effect height, but I understand that's not the point you were making. Problem with your statment however was you said removing the AAL would drop the back by almost 3" and the front would only drop 0.5". In saying that you account for change in tire height with the front but not the rear, thus implying the height in the front was gained by both tires and suspension but the rear was gained by the AAL alone. You forgot to account for the height gained by the rear tires and attributed the rear lift solely to the AAL, thus making the difference sound more dramatic then it actually would be.
Maybe I'm just tired and not understanding what you're saying.... So maybe I can clarify what I meant. My measurements, front and rear, where from the ground to the center of fender along the center of the tire. That's all I recorded at the time since I wanted an overall height gain indication.

The height reductions I referred to assumed russ remove the .5" front spacer and AAL like his first post mentioned. So I was assuming the .5" spacer would drop the front .5", and the AAL coming out would drop the rear approximately 3". (Mine actually raised it 2.75")

My new tires should've raised the truck another inch so redoing the measurements from the center of the hub is kinda useless now isn't it?
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Watch this fancy math using your case.

Front lift: 3" from coils and spacer + 1" from the taller tires= 4" overall bringing the total to 38" from the ground to the fender.

Rear lift: 1.75" from the AAL + 1" from the tires= 2.75" overall bringing the total to 38.75" from the ground to the fender.

Now remove 0.5" from the front (the spacer) and 1.75" from the back (the AAL) and you have a difference of 1.25"

New front measurement= 37.5"
New rear measurement = 37.5"

That's a level truck.
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Old 11-17-2006, 08:00 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Hey Adventure North...

The red D cab in your album.....what brand of a cap is that, and is that truck at stock height with larger tires?

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The red D cab in your album.....what brand of a cap is that, and is that truck at stock height with larger tires?

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Cap is a Leer, lift is 40mm or 1.6" suspension and tires are 35x12.5".
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I looked at Leers and I don't recall seeing that one. Do you recall a Leer what?? Did you have to pull your top rail guards off? I assume a 5' bed??

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I looked at Leers and I don't recall seeing that one. Do you recall a Leer what?? Did you have to pull your top rail guards off?
Don't know what model it is just says leer. Pull my top rail guards off for what? That red truck isn't mine that's in Iceland.
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