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Old 11-18-2006, 12:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Cold Weather Tacoma?

Has anyone else had this problem... Last weekend it got a little cold where I was and in the morning when I started up my Taco, my clutch pedal did not want to come back up off the floor? When it finally did come up, it snapped into place. This was the first cold period of the winter and it wasn't even that cold, maybe -15C at the worst.

For the next 20mins or so of driving the pedal would do the same thing on every gear change and it was more difficult to depress than normal. It made for some very rough shifting as you can imagine.

So I am wondering if this is a common thing with the 6spd when it gets cold. Is there a way to fix it? Better fluids? Stronger clutch pedal spring? I will be using my truck for work all winter in North Eastern Alberta where it gets a lot colder than -15C, not looking forward to it if I have to HOP to work in my truck.

Thanks in advance for your suggestions!
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Old 11-18-2006, 12:35 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I have that problem with my car normally each winter. I usually have to get in, start it up, pump the clutch a few times, wiggle the shifter around some, and let it warm up. When I'm ready to leave I sometimes pump the clutch a little bit and almost always move the shifter around if it still feels stiff. Sometimes I rev the engine a little bit too. It usually just takes a couple miles or so for the fluids to warm up and start flowing properly.

I guess maybe you could get less viscous fluids, but then any grease on the joints, bearings, etc used will probably be stiff too so I wouldn't bother.

My car is usually fine in 5-10 minutes. I'll assume the truck is the same or better as it seems to heat up faster than the car.
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Old 11-18-2006, 03:00 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I have the same situation in my truck, although is is a 5 speed. Seems as though the fluid for the chutch is too thick for the tempature. It has only happened on two mornings but both of those were in the low 30's. I'm going to ride it out and see if it does it more. If so I will be picking a cold night to drop it off at the dealer.
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Old 11-18-2006, 06:47 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I have the 6 spd, and it is getting quite cold here now.. it is -15C right now.. I have never had that problem, I would definitely take it in...
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Old 11-18-2006, 06:56 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Going on my third winter, started up and drove off in temps as cold as -22F (-30C). No problem like that, if keeps happening, see dealer.
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Old 11-18-2006, 11:33 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I'm going on my second winter with this truck, but I usually drive from garage to garage in the winter. Never really let it sit out in the cold all night until last weekend. I guess it is just my trucks way of giving me shit. It will certainly have to get used to it this winter. If it happens again I will be taking it in. I have another manual pickup that I've been driving for 13 years and it doesn't matter what the temperature is, the thing always feels the same... Except for the temperature of my butt of course.

How big of a job would it be to change the clutch fluid? Never done anything like that before. What would you recommend as a winter fluid?
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Old 11-19-2006, 02:23 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I have the 6 spd, and it is getting quite cold here now.. it is -15C right now.. I have never had that problem, I would definitely take it in...
Well, I just went out to turn my truck around so I could plug it in for the night and what should happen? The clutch was sticking... it is -18C right now....
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Old 11-20-2006, 01:40 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Well, I just went out to turn my truck around so I could plug it in for the night and what should happen? The clutch was sticking... it is -18C right now....
So I'm not losing my mind!!! Fantastic. So how do we fix it? I think I'll just give in and bring it to the stealership.
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Old 11-20-2006, 02:44 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Wow...no vehicle, no matter how old or new, should do that. I would take it into the stealership. Sounds like something it sticking in the tranny or clutch pedal. I don't think it's the fluids. Fluids won't solidify to make it operate like that...Of course, you may have air in your clutch line.
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Old 11-20-2006, 03:15 PM   #10 (permalink)
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So I'm not losing my mind!!! Fantastic. So how do we fix it? I think I'll just give in and bring it to the stealership.
Yeah, I think I will have to do the same. I will wait until my next oil change though. Make sure you post what they tell you at the stealership.
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The hydrolic clutch field is basically DOT3 brake fluid (SAE J1703) if this were the cause of the sticking clutch pedal, then I would also suspect you would have braking issues.
Chances are its the result of the grease freezing up. I would definitly take it into the stealership and they should have a resolution for you. I'd be suprised if there wasn't a TSB already for this issue.

I'm waiting for the cold weather here in CO, to see if this will be an issue or not.
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Old 11-20-2006, 06:21 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The hydrolic clutch field is basically DOT3 brake fluid (SAE J1703) if this were the cause of the sticking clutch pedal, then I would also suspect you would have braking issues.
Yeah, common sense would say that you are right. I wasn't having braking issues, so on to the next potential cause. Thanks for the info zmtnbik.

I'll be calling the dealership first thing tomorrow morning to see if they have had that problem brought to their attention yet. We've been having some warm weather here lately so I haven't been able to replicate the problem. Going to be cold next week though so I'll be parking at the dealership if they try and call my bluff.
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Brake fluid actually absorbs moisture/water. If it absorbs too much water, it changes the boil over point as well as the freezing point. if you've been offroad or the seal cap on the master cylinder is loose, or for any othe reason (lots of condensation, washing your engine) think that it may be contaminated, have it flushed and put new fluid.

I have an auto, so i do not know if you can disconnect you clutch pedal and check it's travel to see if it does so freely, but I would do that before spending money on getting it fixed.


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I have an auto, so i do not know if you can disconnect you clutch pedal and check it's travel to see if it does so freely, but I would do that before spending money on getting it fixed.

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Do you think the dealership would charge me to change my clutch fluid? I certainly hope not. I'll be calling today to see what they are going to do for me. I'll keep you guys posted.
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Do you think the dealership would charge me to change my clutch fluid? I certainly hope not. I'll be calling today to see what they are going to do for me. I'll keep you guys posted.
Probably... They charge to change the oil unless you have some sort of deal or coupon. I can't imagine them doing much for free... lol Hell, I got better service at Jiffy Lube last time I had someone else change my oil. At least THEY washed the windows and vaccumed the car. Toyota didn't do shit besides change the oil.
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