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Old 12-10-2006, 08:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Seeking simple audio upgrade!

O.K. I've read Cams thread from start to finish. I thought that a headunit was a prostitute and I'm still not sure about a crossover.
I've started the sound deadening of the cab and doors of my 06 access cab, and want to install better speakers without alot of fussing around. I don't want extra amps, subwoofers, or a replacement "headunit".
I'm willing to make or buy new baffles for the front speakers if 61/2" is the way to go , and I'll switch out the door tweeters if a relatively easy upgrade is available. Cost is not so much of an issue as ease of replacement.
So, can you all help an old guy out? I haven't attempted this sort of thing since I installed an 8-track tape player in my new 65 Corvair!!
Is the Alpine SPX-177R component set that Cam talks about something that will work here?
Do I want to just disconnect or remove the rear speakers?
I just want a nice quiet ride and clear crisp music to listen to . Is that to much to ask for?
Thanks in advance.......
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Old 12-10-2006, 08:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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If you want a clean crisp sound and cost isn't an issue, I would go with JL Audio.

They make replacement speakers for all vehicles, and they usually make a stock "drop in" speaker. They also make something called "clean sweep" that hooks to your stock receiver making it more adjustable, and I believe it also acts as an amplifier.
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Old 12-10-2006, 08:31 PM   #3 (permalink)
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the best way to make the stereo sound better is upgrading the head unit. I know you don't want to, but it is the best way to do it. the factory head unit is a POS, speakers aren't far behind, but i would recommend that you look into head units, there are really good dash kits that look factory and you can always keep your factory stereo if you want to switch back.
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If you want a clean crisp sound and cost isn't an issue, I would go with JL Audio.

They make replacement speakers for all vehicles, and they usually make a stock "drop in" speaker. They also make something called "clean sweep" that hooks to your stock receiver making it more adjustable, and I believe it also acts as an amplifier.
can i find these online??
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Old 12-10-2006, 09:43 PM   #5 (permalink)
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can i find these online??
yes for more info www.jlaudio.com and try ebay for some decent prices

JL is nice, i had all JL in my honda and loved it
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The best way to get better sound is to replace the thing that actually produces the sound...

The speakers

I would suggest the Pioneer PRS components over the Alpine Type-X (and any other component set under 500 bucks) now that they are available.

Here's a review.

http://www.caraudiomag.com/testrepor...er_ts_c720prs/

Check out the prices on Ebay, about 225 shipped. I am sure the price will go up once these retailers and the online community realize how good these speakers are.

If you'd like to keep the stock headunit, you can have yours modified by Daveds50 on CustomTacos to have RCA preouts for 50 bux then add on a 9 band eq and stash it somewhere or mount it in the storage area under the climate controls.

http://www.customtacos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76434

If you are going to change out the headunit, I'd rec. the Pioneer DEH-P880PRS.

Marv is selling the one I sold him for a great price.

http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/...ead.php?t=7263
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Do I want to just disconnect or remove the rear speakers?
You can just disconnect them.

If you are deadening the rear doors, seal up the holes for road noise suppression.


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I just want a nice quiet ride and clear crisp music to listen to . Is that to much to ask for?
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Nope not at all. Get the Pioneer PRS Components, you will be glad you did.
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The best way to get better sound is to replace the thing that actually produces the sound...

The speakers

I would suggest the Pioneer PRS components over the Alpine Type-X (and any other component set under 500 bucks) now that they are available.

Here's a review.

http://www.caraudiomag.com/testrepor...er_ts_c720prs/

Check out the prices on Ebay, about 225 shipped. I am sure the price will go up once these retailers and the online community realize how good these speakers are.

If you'd like to keep the stock headunit, you can have yours modified by Daveds50 on CustomTacos to have RCA preouts for 50 bux then add on a 9 band eq and stash it somewhere or mount it in the storage area under the climate controls.

http://www.customtacos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76434

Cam, I'll take your word on the Pioneer speakers,But I don't understand this business with the included crossovers and how to wire them up. Do I have to modify the headunit and get an equalizer to be able to install and use these speakers?

If you are going to change out the headunit, I'd rec. the Pioneer DEH-P880PRS.

Marv is selling the one I sold him for a great price.

http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/...ead.php?t=7263
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Cam, I guess that I screwed up that last post. I checked out the Pioneer speakers and they seem fine, but they come with "crossovers"? How do I wire that up? Would I be required to modify the headunit and get an equalizer to be able to use these speakers?
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Cam, I guess that I screwed up that last post. I checked out the Pioneer speakers and they seem fine, but they come with "crossovers"? How do I wire that up? Would I be required to modify the headunit and get an equalizer to be able to use these speakers?

I mentioned modifying the headunit in case you wanted to add a stronger amplifier to power the speakers. This will give you RCA outputs.

You can just remove the old speakers and run these speakers and it will still work, but it will sound alot better if you were to get an amp.

The crossover is a little box that seperates the signal between the midwoofer and the tweeter.

If you were going to use the stock headunit to power the new speakers you would tap into the speaker wire before the stock tweeter.

I would tap into the speaker wire from the back of the headunit since you shouldn't mount the crossover in the door. what you'll have to do is cut and splice the correct wires to a new set of speaker wires, run the new speaker wires to the crossovers mounted inside the cabin somewhere(under the seat would work) then run the new speaker wire through the door grommet into the door.

The reason for tapping into the speaker wires this way is because you don't want to have to run a speaker wire from the door back into the cabin to the crossover then back into the door.

If you decide to go back to stock speakers, you can just disconnect the speaker wire from the back of the headunit and reconnect it.

When you wire the crossover you will have a positive and a negative input, you wire the speaker wire from the headunit into these inputs and then you will have two sets of outputs, A postive and negative for the mid and a positive and negative for the tweeter. You will have to wire both of these sets of speaker wires from under the seat, through the door sills, behind the kickpanel and into the rubber grommet that connects the door and the body of the car for the wiring. In my installation thread I explain how to do this.


The reason I rec. not installing the crossover in the door is because of moisture and vibrations from the door rattling.



If you don't want to go through all this trouble you can just get a set of coaxial speakers, these are speakers that have the tweeter built into them and it has just one set of terminals to wire them up. You could just disconnect the tweeter and mid and tap into the speaker wire before the tweeter in the door.

The disadvantage to this is that most coaxial speakers are not that great of quality and your tweeter will be mounted low pointing towards your legs, this doesn't yeild the best sound but it is the easiest upgrade.

If you decide to go this route, the Pioneer Rev series coaxials are good for the money.

I would suggest that if you are going to go through the trouble of installing component speakers that you go ahead and just get an amp to power them.

If you get an amp to power them you will get to skip the step of tapping into the speaker wire, instead you just run RCA's from the back of the headunit to your amp, then run speaker wire from the amp to you crossover and then to the speakers.
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This is what I do for QUALITY sound at an AFFORDABLE price.
1. Leave the stock head unit in place.
2. Install one set of FOCAL SEPARATES in the doors.
3. Install one JL Audio amplifier to drive the FOCALS.
This is a tried and true method for outstanding sound WITHOUT breaking the bank. AND if you want to go the next step, simply add anothe JL Amp and JL Subwoofer for one ass kicking stereo without the high price.
Remember one thing: If you don't have SIRIUS you don't have a radio!!
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Old 12-11-2006, 01:27 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I may be a noob here, but I know car audio. There are many things out there that are better and cheaper then JL. Installing all JL and Focal, even off of ebay, will run you around 400+. If you really want some good equipment check out caraudio.com/forums and see what everyone else is running. Many, many people there will tell you JL is good but expensive and there is better out there. Depending on what you want to spend, if your looking for around 225-250, Boston Acoustic PRO60's IMHO sound clearer and crisper than the Pioneers. They are higher end speakers compared to Pioneers, around the same as mid to high end Focals.

Also another way to add the crossovers is to tap into the wires from behind the HU, run new wires from that to the crossover, get them as close as you can to the HU. Possibly behind the glovebox. Then run the them back to the wire behind the HU running to the speaker, that way you will not have to run new wires through the door.

I had JL btw, 2 10W3v2's running on a JL 500/1, I switched to a 12" sub called RE and it destroyed the JL's.
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when it comes to boosting the quality of your sound you have to start with the head unit.

it makes a HUGE difference.



then proceed with components...
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I am just not going to change the headunit now. O.K. ? Maybe an amp if I can get something around $150.00. Something relatively small that I could mount under the seat (since they are out of the truck at the moment) Any suggestions? Do I only need a 2-channel amp?
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