Well it doesn't wear a Toyota badge so its destine to go out of business...sooner or later Toyota will be the only car maker in the U.S.
No it does not, yes Mazda could pull out of the US market. There are rumblings that Mazda not really as focused on the Mazdaspeed engine, anymore, so the current Mazdaspeed3 may be the last Gen to have this engine (CX7 has already been discontinued). If that happens, Mazda better hope that these Skyactiv engines are a success.
On a lighter note, I know it may hurt you that one by one, Toyota and Honda are slowly eliminating their Japanese competition. That is just how it is. Both companies have worked hard to attain customer loyalty, and those customers have rewarded them by only shopping for models with a T or H on the grill
Suzuki left the US market selling about 23,000 cars in total and this was going on for several years since their fall from 2008. Mitsubishi sells double that currently. Mazda as a brand has sold more than 10 times what Suzuki did. So...Mazda isn't in much danger is the sales numbers are any indication, just stagnating in its current position. Mazda has actually been rather consistent sitting in the 250K range.
Currently the brands I see in bigger danger than Mazda in the US market are these. Mitsubishi, Smart, Jaguar and Volvo. Smart particularly because the fortwo's sales are so woeful that the unloved Scion xD is a better seller. If you're wondering why I mentioned Volvo, its because this brand would be doing only slightly better than Jaguar if they had no S60(accounts for 1/3rd of its sales) or XC60(1/4th). The car that's supposed to get volume for them, the S40 is missing from the lineup.
With more effort, Suzuki could have been a real contender in the US. Even I have to admit, they had models that were more interesting than some from Toyota and Honda. It is too bad that it did not work out for them in the US.
With more effort, Suzuki could have been a real contender in the US. Even I have to admit, they had models that were more interesting than some from Toyota and Honda. It is too bad that it did not work out for them in the US.
They both have their place but unless the departure from Ford has cured them Mazdas of the 2000's were piles of crap. Great initial quality but they fall apart. Check out the Mazda3 and 6 forums. At 80K miles the car feels like it has 200,000 miles.
Kias have been proven great for the last few years. Lets hope skyactiv saves the brand.
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I completely disagree, you can't at all say Mazda cars are superior to Kias. The Kias from 5 years ago or more, I might agree but the Kias of today...no, to say anybody automaker makes a superior car to Kia would be utter nonsense. Its actually more likely to say there are Kias that are superior to their equivalents. The US Mazda6 for instance, inferior to the Kia Optima in every possible way, yes the 6 actually drives terribly. I couldn't understand why it sold badly until I drove it, what you wanted and expected in a Mazda...just wasn't there and instead got an inferior Camry clone. There are some pretty good Kias today, to dismiss them for their badge and past cars would be incredibly foolish.
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Skyactive is a good start. It needs to be standard in the 2, 3, and Miata.
At least with the Mazda6, there won't be multiple engine confusion.
CX9 gets lipstick for 2013. Too bad its desperate for a complete redo.
CX5 now has an optional 2.5L to better compete with the 2.4/2.5 from Toyota, Honda, KiaHyundai ... The 2.0 CX5 was anemic.
The new Mazda6 gets MPG akin to the Mazda2. Hows the Smart, Scion IQ, and Fiat 500 doing in sales?
Mazda I-Eloop.... interesting idea. Wonder why Mazda isn't jumping on the Hybrid/EV market? Will it work with my 1000w stereo upgrade?
Mazda I-Stop.... gotta love a way to restart an engine without using a starter. I wonder one day if they can eliminate the heavy starter/battery combo altogether.
I guess if they had compression releases on them like a weed wacker you would need as much. Other wise I don't see how you could do away with a powerful motor and the associated wiring.
Exactly, when you don't see, someone else usually does.
Here's an explanation:
http://www.mazda.com/mazdaspirit/env/engine/siss2.html With all the pistons stopped in their optimum position, the system restarts the engine by identifying the initial cylinder to fire, injecting fuel into it, and then igniting it. Even at extremely low rpm, cylinders are continuously selected for ignition, and the engine quickly picks up to idle speed.
Gotta love the power of direction injection and coil on plug ignition!
Definitely not a compression release. But, I do see that a compression release could be used to shrink the battery/starter down in size.
We don't need no stinkin' starters! Probably won't work on an engine after extended shutdown because of the compression bleed down. But, what I can't see, someone else will...gapless rings, tighter spec's, and non-camshaft e-solenoid valves....
No it does not, yes Mazda could pull out of the US market. There are rumblings that Mazda not really as focused on the Mazdaspeed engine, anymore, so the current Mazdaspeed3 may be the last Gen to have this engine (CX7 has already been discontinued). If that happens, Mazda better hope that these Skyactiv engines are a success.
On a lighter note, I know it may hurt you that one by one, Toyota and Honda are slowly eliminating their Japanese competition. That is just how it is. Both companies have worked hard to attain customer loyalty, and those customers have rewarded them by only shopping for models with a T or H on the grill
Well my first Honda has not won any loyalty from me. 2008 had it almost 5 years and it's been on par with my Chevy Impala before it, maybe a tad worse.
This 6 is nice though, if they offer the Wagon here, it might get me out of my truck.
Well my first Honda has not won any loyalty from me. 2008 had it almost 5 years and it's been on par with my Chevy Impala before it, maybe a tad worse.
This 6 is nice though, if they offer the Wagon here, it might get me out of my truck.
Zythr is a rabid fanboi of Toyota and Honda so what you say won't phase him, just breathes more fire for ignorance
Sorry to hear about your car. that is frustrating regardless of brand.
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Well my first Honda has not won any loyalty from me. 2008 had it almost 5 years and it's been on par with my Chevy Impala before it, maybe a tad worse.
This 6 is nice though, if they offer the Wagon here, it might get me out of my truck.
Sorry to hear that, Honda has been un-Hondalike recently, sad to say, but hopefully they're getting better. Mazda tried the 6 Wagon, it did not work and was pulled. If anything the wagon/hatch has fallen to the 3.
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Zythr is a rabid fanboi of Toyota and Honda so what you say won't phase him, just breathes more fire for ignorance
Sorry to hear about your car. that is frustrating regardless of brand.
You know me so well, Echoknight2000, who still owns a Toyota themselves.
This 6 is nice though, if they offer the Wagon here, it might get me out of my truck.
The wagon isn't coming. CAFE rules pretty much make wagons a bad idea for automakers to bring back. Wagons are tested as cars, Crossovers are tested as trucks hence far easier to pass. This is why there are crossovers instead of wagons, you might have to wait for the next CX-7 or CX-9 for a similar thing to a Mazda6 wagon.
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The wagon isn't coming. CAFE rules pretty much make wagons a bad idea for automakers to bring back. Wagons are tested as cars, Crossovers are tested as trucks hence far easier to pass. This is why there are crossovers instead of wagons, you might have to wait for the next CX-7 or CX-9 for a similar thing to a Mazda6 wagon.
Which is too bad cause the newest version wagon is nice looking!!!
I think its also a market reason as you know. I know Canada is more accepting of hatches and wagons. The U.S. there is a aversion to them. Too bad. The previous 6 wagon sold jack squat in the U.S. Then again it wasn't promoted as heavily as the sedan. Oh wells!
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Sorry to hear that, Honda has been un-Hondalike recently, sad to say, but hopefully they're getting better. Mazda tried the 6 Wagon, it did not work and was pulled. If anything the wagon/hatch has fallen to the 3.
You know me so well, Echoknight2000, who still owns a Toyota themselves.
That's cause I don't want to get kicked out of the cool Zythr club
Trust me if my financial situation was better I would get rid of my Fisher Price Toyota and totally get a different car but doesn't help that I had a string of repairs on my car. Yes even Toyota's need repairs, gasp! WTF???
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