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Old 03-23-2007, 05:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
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FIPG or other sealant?

OK, I did a search on FIPG and got FOUR threads only. Not much good in them, so I'm going to ask for opinions. Has anyone found anything that is better than Toyota's FIPG for sealant?
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Toyotas FIPG is made by "Three Bond".
HondaBond is made by "three bond"
Isuzus...yep
Nissans...yep
Subarus...yep

The Toyota/Isuzu black FIPG and Honda/Subarus gray are nearly the same thing.....and there should be a law requiring mechanics to use the stuff.
Nothing out there compares.

I can tell you all sorts of horror stories about using el cheapo silicone.....in the same light I can tell you about times that if FIPG wasn't used, the motor would have been lost.

Get some, use it....it really is all that and a sack of chips.
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There is one product that I would recommend because I feel it is worthy, it's "The Right Stuff" by Permatex
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black RTV? what bout that?
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black RTV? what bout that?

I'm relatively certain that FIPG is superior to regular black RTV...
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FIPG stands for "formed in place gasket".
It is available in black for general engine sealing (coolant and oil) and in a reddish/burnt orange sort of color for the auto trans pan and housings (transfer case and diffs included).

It is vastly superior to RTV (room temperature vulcanizing) and "the right stuff".

Be aware it is extremely messy to work with....the shit sticks to EVERYTHING!

RTV will squeeze out of a place you're using it on when you tighten it up, FIPG won't.
"The wrong stuff" will not stick to many surfaces (try and wipe a thin coat onto most aluminum surfaces, you'll find it will not adhere and will roll off the surface easily, coolant or oil on the surface makes it even worse).

All you have to do is try FIPG once, you'll understand immediately.
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ProBuilder, Thanks. Will be changing out water pump in 04 Camry and was looking for a decent sealant to go around the metal/rubber gasket that goes with the water pump. Guess I need to hunt down some FIPG black.
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FIPG is good stuff, but if you are talking about the metal/rubber gasket on a 1MZFE water pump, then it would not be advisable to use any sealant at all.

This type of seal is designed to work without sealant.

In fact FIPG or any other RTV types of product should never need to used on any gasket or o-ring.



I have to disagree with ProBuilders characterization of the right stuff.

I use it all the time and as long as you get a good clean surface it makes a very permanent bond.

I have a very modified lower intake manifold and a custom upper intake manifold that I hand made. The stock gasket no longer fits. So I use the right stuff to seal it. I've had to take it apart to do head work and found that after removing the bolts I had to use a dead-blow hammer to get it apart. I don't think the bond would have been stronger even with epoxy.
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Yes, I'm talking about the metal (with rubber thin strip) gasket for the 1MZ-FE water pump. As you point out and after searching the topic, consensus seems to be to not use any gasket sealant with that type of gasket. How about a couple of dabs of Permatex water pump sealant dressing between the gasket and pump side to keep the gasket in place/intake during installation?
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the studs and dowels will locate the gasket for you.

Make sure you get a good clean surface on the block. I use a razor blade held at a 90deg angle to the surface to scrape all the way around. Then go over the area with scotch-brite and the clean with a good solvent like Brakleen or equivalent

I've done hundreds with no issues.

On some applications that use a "paper" gasket and have nothing to hold the gasket, something like High Tack gasket adhesive is what you want to use.

Any kind of RTV or FIPG should not be used on paper gaskets. The sealant acts like a lubricant until it is cured and I've fixed many leaks over the years because the gasket squeezed out from between the parts because of using sealant.
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Got it. Go completely dry and thoroughly clean the surface of the block. You have been a big help. Thank you.
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