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#1 Old 08-06-2011, 10:45 PM
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I think I bent my shift forks

I have a 1995 Toyota pick-up with a 5 speed manual trans and a 22re engine. The slave cylinder on the clutch went out. Before I knew what was going on I probably forced the shifter and caused the bend. For a few days it would still shift all gears but it felt different, like the throw between all gears was much shorter. Today I went for a ride and I couldn't get 3rd gear and barely could get 4th. 1st, 2nd, 5th, and reverse work fine. In fact, those gears are back to feeling normal, but now I can't get 4th, either.
What do I do?

P.S. I replaced the slave cylinder and the clutch works just fine.
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shifter bushing....?

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shifter bushing....?
That would be my guess too.
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The first thing I thought about when I saw the thread title was Ralph from the Simpsons..

"I beat the smart kids I beat the smart kids *trips* I bent my wookie..."

... but yeah sounds like you fucked the bushing up, Marlin Crawler makes a reallllly nice replacement.

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This is one of those things that someone who really knows what they are doing needs to look at it.

The shifter bushings will cause issues, but that is usually in all the gears.

3rd and 4th operate off the same shift fork, so it's conceivable that you have bent a fork, although these transmissions are pretty tough and you'd have had to be aweful hard on it to bend a fork.

Don't talk about it, Just do it!

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This is one of those things that someone who really knows what they are doing needs to look at it.

The shifter bushings will cause issues, but that is usually in all the gears.

3rd and 4th operate off the same shift fork, so it's conceivable that you have bent a fork, although these transmissions are pretty tough and you'd have had to be aweful hard on it to bend a fork.
Well, I wasn't "awfully hard" on the shifter. I might have "nudged" it a bit, but I didn't force it.
Can someone please edjumacate me on this shifter bushing deally?
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The truck shifted into all gears for about a week after the slave cylinder went out and was replaced. The shifting just felt different. Then, this weekend I went on a trip and 3rd and 4th quit working.

Can someone please post a link to some information on this replacement bushing?
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Can someone please edjumacate me on this shifter bushing deally?
There is a plastic bushing on the end of the shifter.
It wears out and causes shifting problems.
A little searching should get you more info.

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There is a plastic bushing on the end of the shifter.
It wears out and causes shifting problems.
A little searching should get you more info.
Actually, the bushing rarely wears out. The bushing may deform a little, and is easily replaced. It's the 'Shifter Seat' that wears out,...yea..decomposes... into powder and causes all kinds shifting issues which look like a gold mine to an unscrupulous transmission repair shop or dealer.
It's easy to replace. Here's a link to Marlin's product.
http://www.marlincrawler.com/transmi...ver-ball-seats
Notes:1. Marlin calls it the "Shifter Lever Ball Seat", and the bushing he calls the "Socket".
2. You don't have to get the Marlin ones; the Toyota or even the NAPA ones will last for years, and,
as an extra bonus, they're cheaper.

BTW, I had a clutch-not-disengaging/damaged input shaft issue for a while that caused me to occasionally have to force the shift lever into gear pretty hard, and it caused no problems. After the above mentioned was repaired, the trans shifts better than ever.

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max503,

You are more likely to have caused damage to your shift lever and/or seat/socket than to have damaged a shift fork.

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Actually, the bushing rarely wears out. The bushing may deform a little
It is fairly common for the bushing to wear out. Depending on the habits of the driver, the end of the shifter will wear right through 1 side of the bushing and cause metal-to-metal contact with the shift shoe inside the transmission. We have customers say our socket does not fit their transmission properly, and this is actually a result from this metal-to-metal contact that has deformed and elongated the shift shoe inside the transmission from many miles of use with a worn out bushing. I'd say about 4 out of every 10 shifter cores we get have worn out bushings. Certainly not as common as the seats, as you have mentioned, but in my opinion still something that should be serviced.

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Marlin calls it the "Shifter Lever Ball Seat", and the bushing he calls the "Socket".
We try to hold to the original Toyota terminology where ever possible, in which case these two components would be called the "seat" and "bushing", respectively. For a while we called the bushing a socket. When we decided to update this name to "bushing", it was decided due to how many "socket" search hits we get that it would be best to retain our legacy term for the bushing, however on our product page (http://www.marlincrawler.com/transmi...t-lever-socket), we do call it by its proper Toyota name right in the first sentence

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the Toyota or even the NAPA ones will last for years, and,
as an extra bonus, they're cheaper.
These parts may themselves last for years, but the shifting performance, especially from the cheap aftermarket options, will not last for years. This is the whole reason why we created our heavy duty parts in the first place. If you want shifting performance that lasts, then I firmly believe you cannot beat our HD components. As for my experience, I run these in my personal rig and have never looked back.

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Mike, The first time I replaced my shifter seat and bushing, the truck had maybe 180K miles on it. The shift bushing appeared identical to the new one(except it had discolored a bit) when compared side-by-side. I assumed(not always a good thing)that if the shift bushing had not visibly deformed in that long a service, then they probably rarely deform or disintegrate. I deliberately try to be easy on the vehicle so it'll last the longest possible time. I realize that many drivers might be "harder" on their truck than I am on mine, but what I wonder is: What are drivers using their W56 transmissions for that would cause this part to disintegrate as you have observed/described? Racing?

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If the shifter seat and/or bushing are worn then the shifter will have a very sloppy feel to it. It will require more movement to select gears. If it is so bad that you cannot select 3rd or 4th. then the other gears should just barely engage, and would likely require conscious effort to do so.

If the 3-4 shift fork or rod is bent then it would make it so when you try to engage those gears the shifter would hardly move (like very stiff) and all the other gears would seem normal.

Another possible issue is that the bolt that connects the shift fork to the rod has come out or is sheared off. In this instance, when you try to shift into 3rd or 4th, the shifter would almost seem like it is not connected. It would just move freely forward and aft with little effort.

If the bolt has come out it could find it's way through the gears and destroy the transmission.

As I said before, someone who has an idea of what they are looking at should examine it.

Don't talk about it, Just do it!

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pluton: You don't wanna know what some people are doing. We've seen an entire t/case shift hub worn straight through the shifter groove on one side as if the drive leaned an anvil up against the lever for thousands of miles.

But remember that the cores we get in are just that, cores. They are dead and that is why we are getting them. The people like yourself who use your transmissions properly get 300k miles out of them and these trans we rarely come across. It's the transmissions that are thrashed and badly abused that we are trying to rebuild.

One good thing to this is that we have gathered all there is to know about weak areas in the transmissions by seeing what parts are wearing out, and we've improved key areas to combat these bad driver habits.

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