4x4 Lifting question

[Blue Dude]

OK I have a 93 toyota 4x4 4 cyl, that I currently have a 2" body lift with 33"x12.5" Tires on it. I was wandering if I cranked the torsion bars in the front and put lifting shackles on the back maybe 1.5" or 2" lift....if there would be anything I would have to do to the brake lines or anything else? I just got done redoing the exhaust and want to bring the back end up higher to make the truck more level as it sits lower than the front. The torsion bar deal is if I wanted to do it in the future for now I am just thinking about the shackles.
Thanks

[Blue Dude]

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[kawaboy14]

did you put the body lift on yourself? and did you have to cut your fenders for the 33's?

[rivethed]

ok, be wary of cranking the torion bars too much to gain suspension travel/lift. if they are torqued too much, the severely affect the ride qualities, especially if they are resing on the stops. And when you bounce out of a hole or dip, the suspension extends when you leave terra firma, and it is not to healthy on the front end. Also, the CV angles can become too extreme. Prepare to replace your CV boot twice as often.

i used to run my (how does pee_cup say, 3-veezy) torsion cranked up to about 3/4 inch off the upper a-arm bump stop. not too abd on the streets, alignment guys hated it, and my CV's boots wore through in 10 monthes from the angle. I dropped them down, and my last set of boots lasted untilI tore one on a rock.

Just some thoughts base on my own experiences.

[gray9422rte]

crank ur torsin 10 turns you will get about 2 inches and everything else will be fine

[Vicoor]

the body lift would not have affected the brake lines between the frame and suspension. Raising the torsion bars will only move the suspension with in the stock limits so that won't be a problem. Raising the rear suspension with shackles will allow for more extension than was designed for so you should check the rear brake hose to make sure you are not stretching it with the suspension fully extended.

As was mentioned before, jacking up the front that much with the torsion bars will adversly effect the ride and handling.

[95toybox]

I would suggest not moving the torsion bars. I did that on my 91 and I had tons of alignment problems and the ride was not good at all. Like Vicoor says if you decide to raise it that way make sure to check the brake lines because I didnt Had to do some replacing after that.

[Geius Maniacal]

how do you have 33's with a 2in body lift?? if you can avoid it, dont crank the torsions. if you really want that small amount of lift, go ahead, but know the dangers of it! i would say, just save some money to buy a 4in susp. lift. then, either take out your body lift or leave it it, whatever you prefer.

Cam

[ovrrdrive]

I cranked my tbars 11 or so years ago when I got my big tires and it's been fine ever since.

Compared to my 94 standard cab, the xcab sat lower and rode a lot mushier, and the tbar crank gave it a much nicer ( IMO ) ride. Of course I didn't max them, but rather I tried to go about halfway to the max. If I recall I cranked one side like 8 turns, and the other like 14. Don't ask me why they were uneven, but I was measuring to the front cross-member and that's what it took to get it right. The alignment tech laughed at me and said I would have to pay to get it evened up if it was wrong, and he got out his tape measure and agreed that it was perfect even though the lower arms were at different angles. After the alignment everything has been perfect ever since.

And my stock CV boots have lasted until this year, and 208k miles. I'd say that pretty much negates the argument that cranking the bars will put extra stress on them. I'm just now up for replacement and even now its just the drivers side making noise.

[shaeff]

ovrrdrive- you have no other suspension/lifting modifications to fit the 33x12.5's? (other then the tweaked torsion bars?)

-shaeff

[subliminaltrips]

32x11.50....

[ovrrdrive]

I did put the 32x11.50's on with just the tbar crank and they rubbed pretty badly. It was driveable, but it rubbed enough that it ripped off a mud flap.

With the 3" BL and the tbar crank, I could easily run 33x12.50's on the truck, but I have decided to do a 4-5" suspension lift and 37x12.50 Iroks in a month or so.

Then of course I'm gonna have to regear too... It's time to tighten the old belt...

[rivethed]

Originally Posted by ovrrdrive

And my stock CV boots have lasted until this year, and 208k miles. I'd say that pretty much negates the argument that cranking the bars will put extra stress on them. I'm just now up for replacement and even now its just the drivers side making noise.

Do you have Auto or Manual hubs Ovrrdrive??? This also makes a difference. manual hubs, you will not notice the wear as the joints are only in motion when the hubs are engaged. but with the ADD style hubs, the cv's are always turning, and with excessive torion crank, which cause extreme CV angles, you will rub/wear the boots out sooner, in my experience. plus, you stated, you have only gone up (estimated) halfway. So many people crank them to extremes, adn it makes touble. I know, I thought that way when I first got my 3vze, and shortly learned it was bad idea. But to each his own. We just share our experiences here.

Let us know how the 37's run, are you gonna go 5.29 with that much meat to turn??

[ovrrdrive]

I have the el cheapo model truck. Manual transmission and hubs.

I've seen trucks that had the tbars pinned and I can't believe people drive them that way. The front end won't flex at all that way...

When I first started planning the build up I'm gonna do I was considering 5.71's but after a little more reading and planning I'm thinking the 5.29's should be plenty. I'll be going from the 32's to 37, and from 4.10 to 5.29 so that should be more than plenty. I just don't want to do anything to make the truck any slower than it already is...

And you can expect lots of pics and a writeup for sure.

[subliminaltrips]

i expect a phone call when you start....