Engine Swap

[sonofmayhem]

what would be the cheapest and most worth while engine swap? i want to make a mud monster, but with a 4 banger it aint gonna happen. so i was wondering if it would be better to go with a toyota v6, or a supra, mr2, celica engine or maybe a v6 from another brand of vehicle. which would be the easiest, and most reliable swap?

thanks
adam

[Sidney]

The way the price of gasoline (petrol for Australians) is going I suggest that everyone convert their Toyotas to diesel as they are more:

fuel efficient
higher torque
waterproof
simpler
reliable
safer
can idle all day long
less overheat episodes
can burn bio diesel or vegetable oil (without glycerin)

Well to help everyone dismiss the myth that Toyota diesel pickups & SUV's are rare in USA & Canada I have included below a list of very resourcefull links that contain places to buy diesel engines/parts and complete rigs.

Toyota diesel engines models: 2L's, 2L-T's, 3L's and 5L ‘s for sale in the greater Los Angeles area:

Engine Trend Inc
George
4515 S.Soto Street
Los Angeles,CA 90058
USA
Ph:1-800-939-3295
Ph323) 589-2844
http://www.enginetrend.com

Spector Offroad
Marv
21600 Nordhoff St
Chatsworth,CA 91311
USA
Ph818) 882-1238
http://www.sor.com

Reseda Engines in Northridge
Danny
8644 Darby Ave
Northridge,CA 91325
USA
Ph818) 349-7472

Jarco USA
194 Gateway Dr
Canton,Georgia 30115
USA
Ph770) 479-4942
Fax770) 479-4948
Operator:James Stettler
http://www.jarcoinc.com
E-mail:info@jarcoinc.com
E-mail:parts@jarcoinc.com
E-mail:halfcuts@jarcoinc.com
E-mail:specials@jarcoinc.com
[url]http://www.asapmotors.com/services/toyota-diesel-engine.htm

For Japanese imported diesel Toyota SUV's & pickup trucks:

http://www.uniqueautoimports.com
http://www.mustang.bc.ca/lc.htm
http://www.outbackimports.ca/index.html
http://www.luxuryimports.ca/vehicles/toyotaforsale.php
http://www.risingsunimports.ca/
http://www.hj61.com/
http://www.jns-imports.com/importinfo/
http://www.batfa.com/usedvehicles-toyota-stock.html
http://www.geocities.jp/kktrading_aurora/

These are 11 Toyota DIESEL 4-Runner/pickup sites:

http://www.sr5.net/bbs/index.sht
http://www.toyotadiesel.com/phpBB2
http://www.toyotadiesel.com/
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/toyotadieselclub
http://pub12.ezboard.com/btoyotasurfdownunder
http://www.toyotasurf.asn.au/forum
http://groups.msn.com/toyotasurf/shoebox.msnw
http://www.yotasurf.com/forums/index.php?
http://www.yotasurf.co.uk/forums/index.php
http://www.offroadpakistan.com/forums/viewforum.php?id=8
http://clean4x4.com/
http://jplan.com/cgi-bin/tractor/forum.pl?category=TOY&catname=Toyota%20Pickup%20Tr ucks

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Dartmouth,Nova Scotia
Canada
1985 Toyota 4-Runner,solid front straight axle,factory cruise control,sunroof,22R-E,W56,RN60LV-MSEK,rusted rear step/towing chrome bumper with 245 000 KM

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[1986xtracab]

You could put a 5.0 ford v8 in. I think they are fairly common.

[390FE]

As a note. Remember that a larger motor will make the front heavier. Yes you will have more power and torque but you will also have the chance the front end will sink deeper in the mud. I heard a Chevy 350 is a decent swap also.

A buddy had a 89 Jeep Wrangle he had dropped a chevy 350 into and in the first week of having it in he was inching up to the edge of some water to see how deep it was when the grond gave way and he sunk his 35's out of sight on the front. it took 2 trucks and him starting the submurged 350(just the car was out of the water) to get him out.

You may want to look into a newer 4banger with superchager or turbo or as Sidney mentioned a diesel 4 banger. In mud you have 2 friends, torque and lighweight. but its all up to waht you want and how serous you are gonna be in the mud.

Edit: He also replaced the tranny. He wanted to drive so he put it on the road but was looking for new front and rear ends for when he broke his stock ones. I was with him once when he broke a pin the rear axle and the tire started walking out of the housing.

[DCM]

What about axle breakage? with a bigger engine there comes the chance of bigger, spectacular parts failures. If you are serious about make a mud monster, you probably won't want any stock drivetrain parts.

[T.R.Bauer]

Originally Posted by sonofmayhem

what would be the cheapest and most worth while engine swap? i want to make a mud monster, but with a 4 banger it aint gonna happen. so i was wondering if it would be better to go with a toyota v6, or a supra, mr2, celica engine or maybe a v6 from another brand of vehicle. which would be the easiest, and most reliable swap?

thanks
adam

If you are going to do a swap do it all out. The t-cases in the 79-83 pickups are very strong and durable. So, are the front and rear differentials. The tranny is marginal at best unless it is a newer model pickup later that 86. However, even the newer ones will not stand up to v-8 horsepower and torque especially when combined with 35 inch tires. You will need both a body and suspension lift to get this bigger and more powerful stuff to fit. I put a 350 vette motor in my 83 with 35 inch BFGs and it has worked very well. It has been in for ten years and so far no drivetrain troubles at all. The motor after being rebuild cost about 1500 bucks, the rebuilt th350 was about 375, and the transfer case adapter from advance adapter cost about 700. I built my own motor mounts, but I hear you can buy those too now. There is even a 4 core radiator you can buy from northwest off roads that cools the truck really well even when rock crawling. I didn't use it, I bought one from a supra with turbo. It has worked well enough and it only cost about 80 dollars used. Anyway, any conversion other than the v8 and you will not be happy in the mud as I wasn't. Don't worry about sinking in the mud due to the extra weight, you will be throwing it high and flying threw it if your truck is properly set up.

[Tercel GTS]

GM 4.3, there are kits to bolt it right in and it's not so powerful nor heavy that it'd hurt your axles. Really good swap.

[Damon123]

yeah, people have swapped in Chevy 350's and Buick V6's for decades, the 350 has the largest aftermarket and modifiability; but I really don't like GM products, I would use a 350 if I could build it up to be more reliable than stock, this would probably have to be a complete aftermarket long block. I have not heard of a Ford 5.0 in a Toy, but that is a much better engine and I would go with it if possible.

[80toy]

diesels aren't the best engines for mud since they have a very low redline and are extremely heavy. the trick to mud is not letting your axles and undercarraige drag through it. a diesel will just push you down. i v-6 sounds like a good bet. the gmc 3.6L is a fairly common swap. the toyota ones are not bad either. if you want to go v-8, a ford 302 would work, as would a chevy350. you woulds have to do some creative engine mounts and cut the hood, but in such a light truck power would be great. What about a toyota v-8? i know the new ones are expensive, but they are also nice. toyota also had a japan only 4.0 liter V-8 that i have seen put in a 1970-1983 truck. My friends dad used to import toyota stuff from japan, and put this engine in a pickup. he said it peeled out for days, plus, it was fairly light weight, if you can still find one.

[Damon123]

The Lexus LS400 used a 4 liter V8, I wonder if that could be similar to the one you refer; either way I wonder how compatible the Lexus engine or perhaps other Lexus engines would be with Toyota trucks?
I agree with the diesel comments, just not enough horsepower.

[80toy]

sorry, i forgot to mention that the 4 liter v-8 i am thinking of was used back in the 80's or early 90's. i had pictures of the truck. it was really funny to see the engine sticking out of the hood. i will try to ask him about it the next time i see him. the lexus v-8 would be luxo though. if you had the money, it would be a good bet. i think the v-8 in my grandma's 4runner is 4.6 liters (2003). does anyone know if those are aluminum blocks or not. and aluminum v-8 would be the way to go since it is lighter than normal.

[Damon123]

yes the Lexus v8 is alum block, http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/L...exus1stGen.htm
I bet you could find an engine from a wrecked LS400 for $1000 or less.

[80toy]

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[Tercel GTS]

Originally Posted by sonofmayhem

what would be the cheapest and most worth while engine swap? i want to make a mud monster, but with a 4 banger it aint gonna happen. so i was wondering if it would be better to go with a toyota v6, or a supra, mr2, celica engine or maybe a v6 from another brand of vehicle. which would be the easiest, and most reliable swap?

thanks
adam

The bolded words were my basis on the 4.3 swap. 350's and 302's are too heavy and will eventually bend the front axle housing. I have 2 bent ones as proof. A lexus engine won't be cheap, and making a toyota V6 adapt to the 4banger tranny isn't going to be a walk in the park. I can buy a 4.3 for $200 on any given day pretty much and the kit makes it so simple to install. Do what you want, I'm NOT a GM guy, but I give respect where it's due, and a 4.3 has plenty of respect due.

[Damon123]

personally, I would avoid a swap altogether if I could, unless you just had to have the power of a much larger engine.
It seems to me that there is such a big aftermarket for the 22r and 22re, and they are such excellent engines, that I would rather just pump up the stock engine with cam, header, weber carb, and what else?
I plan to do this in the future with my 22r, I would be curious to know from people who have done these kind of upgrades if they were satisfied with the results.
I was thinking of something like a weber 38/38 with a moderate cam and header.
I know the stock engine puts out 95 horsepower and I think about 125 ft lbs torque, how much increase could I expect?
How many horses can you get out of the engine with maybe dual sidedraft 40's?