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Old 12-09-2012, 05:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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USA Transmission Vibration sound

I have a 2006 Rav 4, 4 cylinder with automatic transmission. When driving between 35-55 and when transmission shifts to overdrive a low groaning sound starts and I can feel a vibrationat my feet and in the seat. If I press the gas to shift out of overdrive the vibration goes away. Also if I move the shifter out of overdrive it goes away. I took it to the dealer and they said Toyota suggests draining the transmission fluid 3 times and replacing it with world standard synthetic fluid as a starting point to see if it goes away. The dealer said they just did it with another RAV 4 that had similar issues and it cleared up.

How much fluid does it hold?

Anyone ever run across this?
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Old 01-11-2013, 08:36 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I have heard of shudder but in lower gears. I would try it. The trans should take between 3-4 quarts for one drain fill. I do 3 drain fills every 50,000 miles to keep 80% new fluid in the trans. This seems to eliminate any fluid related issues and is really simple to do. I do one drain fill then drive the Rav for a 5 miles then do another drive 5 miles then do a 3rd. The fluid stays clear red on the dipstick for another 50k.
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You can try it, but it sounds like the converter is going bad. Pretty common problem from what I understand.
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:43 PM   #4 (permalink)
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BTW, how many miles on the Rav4?
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Old 01-12-2013, 07:54 PM   #5 (permalink)
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If you have never serviced the transmission then get it handled now. The dealer is giving you good advice. The filter should be replaced at the first service.
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Old 01-13-2013, 08:55 PM   #6 (permalink)
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If you have never serviced the transmission then get it handled now. The dealer is giving you good advice. The filter should be replaced at the first service.
Which Rav4 Transmission has a replaceable filter? According to my service manual there are 4 transaxles used on the Rav4. All have an oil strainer on the valve body and oil pan magnets.

U140F, U151E, U151F, U241E, I have always simply changed the fluid on all of my Toyotas and never have any issues. But I cannot find a replaceable filter.
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:34 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Sorry, I had the V-6 in mind not the four banger. The filter kits are available for it online and at the dealer even though they would rather charge $200+ for a flush. The fluid exchange still does nothing as far as cleaning/changing the filter.

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Sorry, I had the V-6 in mind not the four banger. The filter kits are available for it online and at the dealer even though they would rather charge $200+ for a flush. The fluid exchange still does nothing as far as cleaning/changing the filter.
There are no serviceable filters in the 4 transaxles I listed. That is from my 2008 service manual. The list includes the 3.5L V6 models as well.
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Regardless of what your book says all you have to do is google Toyota RAV4 transmission filter to see them.
Here is but one example out of thousands of pages for a RAV auto transmission filter. One is for a RAV4 V-6, the other is for a four cylinder.

http://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/200...on_filter.html

While at the dealership recently I asked them if they kept the auto trans filter, gaskets, etc. for my RAV4 V-6 in stock. The parts man said yes then brought it out and showed me the kit.

Just because whatever book you are using doesn't list a part means nothing. These parts obviously exist. All you have to do is look.

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Regardless of what your book says all you have to do is google Toyota RAV4 transmission filter to see them.
Here is but one example out of thousands of pages for a RAV auto transmission filter. One is for a RAV4 V-6, the other is for a four cylinder.

http://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/200...on_filter.html

While at the dealership recently I asked them if they kept the auto trans filter, gaskets, etc. for my RAV4 V-6 in stock. The parts man said yes then brought it out and showed me the kit.

Just because whatever book you are using doesn't list a part means nothing. These parts obviously exist. All you have to do is look.
The book I am using is the Toyota Factory Service Manual. The strainer in the trans doesn't need to be replaced. Only the O-ring is replaceable. The strainer can be cleaned and re-used for the life of the vehicle. It is a 100 micron screen. Basically a rock catcher.
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Well since every single online auto site, and the Toyota dealer, calls it a filter that's what I'll go with. Also why are replacements readily available if you don't replace it? Technically a strainer IS a filter, even a kitchen strainer filters out solids. Call it what you wish but only a fool would not replace it when servicing the transmission. Toyota also says the newer RAV's have lifetime synthetic transmission fluid. Do you believe that too? Seen what it looks like after 50K miles? Nasty stuff indeed. You do as you wish and quote your manual and I'll do as I wish and change the transmission fluid, drop the pan, and change the filter.

That is still what I think the original poster should do, just my opinion.

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Well since every single online auto site, and the Toyota dealer, calls it a filter that's what I'll go with. Also why are replacements readily available if you don't replace it? Technically a strainer IS a filter, even a kitchen strainer filters out solids. Call it what you wish but only a fool would not replace it when servicing the transmission. Toyota also says the newer RAV's have lifetime synthetic transmission fluid. Do you believe that too? Seen what it looks like after 50K miles? Nasty stuff indeed. You do as you wish and quote your manual and I'll do as I wish and change the transmission fluid, drop the pan, and change the filter.

That is still what I think the original poster should do, just my opinion.
I cooler line flush most of my Lexus and Toyota transmissions. We keep all of them way past 100,000 miles and no failures yet. Plus, neither the Lexus or Toyota dealers I deal with (3) replace the strainer. I do have an ES350 with almost 200k on the clock. I may pull the pan and see how much crud is actually in the strainer and on the magnets. I flush it every 50k and each time the fluid looks cleaner than the time before. Plus there is no difference in shift quality. ATF has lots of detergent and replacing the oil just seems to be sufficient.
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No arguing with your success. Many dealers won't even do a drain and replace 3 quarts or so much less a pan drop. seems they've all gone the way of the machine fluid replacement.
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No arguing with your success. Many dealers won't even do a drain and replace 3 quarts or so much less a pan drop. seems they've all gone the way of the machine fluid replacement.
True: It is so much easier and cleaner. No 18 bolts and gasket to deal with. Plus the trans shift quality remains very robust for many miles as the friction modifiers in the ATF get replenished. Then they get no returns with a leaking pan gasket or the associated headaches that go with that.
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