Toyota and Honda deliver first zero-emission hydrogen cars

http://www.sacbee.com/state_wire/story/5440410p-6425701c.html

improving environment= :thumbup: (they did it on a highlander too! :o )



but underpowered= :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

Didn't Mazda have a Hydro Miata a while back? BMW's Hydrogen concept has been around for a while too. Frankly I didn't even know that Toyota had a project in the works.


Edit: Just read that they're first to market.

improving environment= :thumbup: (they did it on a highlander too! :o )



but underpowered= :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

It all starts somewhere...

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its nice to know we don't HAVE to burn gasoline anymore for a real car

my 12 and 15 year old supras still put out 0.03 and 0.04 HC ppms when the limit is 0.61 and 0.63. thats pretty clean air if you ask me! :)

my moms 1990 mini van just blew 0.45 on a 0.63 limit. imagine my horror!

i read somewhere that you can lease these fuel-cell cars for the bargain price of... $6000/month!!!!!

hopefully these things will be in production sooner rather than later. it will be interesting to see how it affects the global economy once the majority of people stop using gasoline powered vehicles. i know it's waaay down the road... but it is inevitable that it will happen.


-rayray

Very Good :thumbup:

Gasoline prices will kill us much faster than their pollution:thumbdown

Originally posted by reym
Gasoline prices will kill us much faster than their pollution:thumbdown

:banhim:

Originally posted by rayray
hopefully these things will be in production sooner rather than later. it will be interesting to see how it affects the global economy once the majority of people stop using gasoline powered vehicles. i know it's waaay down the road... but it is inevitable that it will happen.
-rayray

That's pretty much why hydrogen fuel cell cars aren't on the market. It WILL screw up the economy, OPEC will be pissed, all hell will break loose. From my inside sources, the cars are pretty much ready to go into production.

Hmm...but maybe it'll stop wars in the Middle East?

Meh... I'll keep my gas car.

Poor Iraq!

Excuse my skepticism but, I would assume these cars burn hydrogen but, do not manufacture it onboard.

I would guess that a tank of hydrogen under pressure is much more expensive than a comparable amount of energy from gasoline?

I have read somewhere that hydrogen production from H2O in a car is 30 years away.

Originally posted by Silver Streak
That's pretty much why hydrogen fuel cell cars aren't on the market. It WILL screw up the economy, OPEC will be pissed, all hell will break loose. From my inside sources, the cars are pretty much ready to go into production.

Hmm...but maybe it'll stop wars in the Middle East?

Actually, the problem is with hydrogen storage. They can't find a safe way to store enough so that you can get the same milage as gasoline per tank of hydrogen.

Hydrogen under compression is like a bomb.

Another problem is infrastructure. Say if they solved the storage problem. Where would people fuel up? :confused:

^ New business opportunity... hydrogen stations :)

Originally posted by wingfoot1
Excuse my skepticism but, I would assume these cars burn hydrogen but, do not manufacture it onboard.

I would guess that a tank of hydrogen under pressure is much more expensive than a comparable amount of energy from gasoline?

I have read somewhere that hydrogen production from H2O in a car is 30 years away.

That is it... The only real way atm to create H2 and O2 from water is via electrolisys, the adding of electricity to the water to split the componants.

This requires energy, but so does the engine, sure the engine creates energy, but 90% of that goes into the wheels, and cannot be used for electrolisys. Thus, Perpetual motion, or Hybrid Hydrogen-Electric cars would have to be produced.

The problem with this tho, is the only real efficient and clean way of doing this is by the process of Nuclear Fusion (not the current Fission, found at Nuclear power stations today), however, Fusion is the same thing as what is going on in the Hydrogen engine (essentially), so they must perfect this first.

It is all a vicious cycle really, aint it?


*edit* btw: Hydrogen has much more energy produced when burnt than any form of conventional gasoline out. Sure, pressurised Hydrogen will be expensive, but a comparitable amount of gasoline is burnt, the Hydrogen will give off much more energy.