Official 2007 Toyota Camry Announcement, Images & Specs

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More 2007 Camry images in TN Gallery (http://www.toyotanation.com/photos/showgallery.php/cat/771)

2007 Camry Specifications (PDF) (http://pressroom.toyota.com/presstxt/2007toyotakit/2007Camry_s.pdf)
2007 Camry Features (PDF) (http://pressroom.toyota.com/presstxt/2007toyotakit/2007Camry_f.pdf)
2007 Camry Options (PDF) (http://pressroom.toyota.com/presstxt/2007toyotakit/2007Camry_o.pdf)

2007 Camry Hybrid Specifications (PDF) (http://pressroom.toyota.com/presstxt/2007toyotakit/2007CamryHybrid_s.pdf)
2007 Camry Hybrid Features (PDF) (http://pressroom.toyota.com/presstxt/2007toyotakit/2007CamryHybrid_f.pdf)
2007 Camry Hybrid Options (PDF) (http://pressroom.toyota.com/presstxt/2007toyotakit/2007CamryHybrid_o.pdf)
01/09/2006 Detroit, MI

Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc., unveiled the all-new 2007 Camry and Camry Hybrid at a press conference today at the 2006 North American International Auto Show (NAIAS).
In the 23 years since it was introduced as a 1983 model, Camry has evolved to the quintessential American family sedan with iconic status.

The Toyota Camry, the best-selling car in America four years running and eight of the past nine years, is completely new for 2007 as Toyota engineers and designers follow a strategy that refuses to take continued success for granted. Toyota set out to redefine the new Camry. To accomplish this, Toyota chose to expand the very definition of Camry and in the process create a new benchmark for sedans. Designers rethought every aspect of the Camry, from its chassis to its body, interior, accessories and drivetrain. The result is a world-class sedan that not only redefines global standards for comfort, performance and intelligent design, but also is available, for the first time, with Toyota's Hybrid Synergy Drive.

"With the new 2007 Camry, Toyota once again raised the bar with the family sedan," said Don Esmond, senior vice president, automotive operations, Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc. "Camry's reputation as the gold standard was developed over more than 20 years of refining this excellent package and this new Camry continues that reputation."

As designers and engineers refined their goals, they focused on trading what some owners felt was a conservative image for a more stylish, athletic, modern image. At the same time, they sought new standards of performance for both standard and hybrid models.

The challenge was to accomplish a thorough redesign without sacrificing traditional Camry qualities, including roomy interior, comfortable ride, low noise levels, and class-leading value. Toyota designers accomplished those goals by rethinking every aspect of the Camry, with special attention paid to improving driving dynamics, comfort, low noise and
As interested as drivers will be in Camry's enhanced performance, refinement, value and style, they'll also be interested in its fuel-economy numbers. The standard four-cylinder CE model has EPA-estimated city/highway fuel economy ratings of 24/34. Camrys equipped with V6 engines have EPA-estimated fuel economy ratings of 22 mpg city/31 mpg highway, while the Camry hybrid has fuel economy ratings of 43 mpg city/37 mpg highway.

Exterior
An all-new exterior design provides the 2007 Camry with a visual impact that signals a departure from the upright style of its predecessor. This new Camry shape is athletic and modern, with a long, high-visibility cabin set on a horizontal underbody with strong, rounded planes and elongated structures. The wheelbase now is longer than before, and track is wider, with the wheels pushed toward the extremes of each of the car's four corners.

Under the flowing lines of this sheetmetal is a body structure designed to absorb collision-impact forces and help minimize impact deformation to the passenger cabin. High-strength steel is used for B-pillar and rocker panel reinforcement to help manage overall body deformation in the event of a side collision.

Inside the passenger cabin, even the seat frames are designed to receive and help absorb side collision loads and a cross member in the center of the floor is used for the same reason.

The chassis was made more rigid by connecting the cowl front to the upper suspension towers. Additionally, the Camry's hood, fenders and their brackets, and cowl are designed to crumple and absorb impact energy.
As a final design touch, these same panels feature an eye-appealing appearance. The new Camry's front fascia, defined by hood, grille, bumper and logo, is dignified and innovative and is completed by headlights that incorporate a projector-type low beam that offer both beauty and high performance.

Chassis
While designers optimized the Camry's visual image, they also paid attention to generating a sense of excitement in the driving experience without sacrificing ride quality. To do that, they increased wheelbase (109.3 in., up from 107.1 in.) but maintained the same overall length, with a shortened rear overhang. Even with this lengthened wheelbase, engineers delivered a reduced turning radius.

Setting the stage for improved grip and driver feel are upgraded wheels for all four Camry grades. Gone are the 15-inch wheels previously standard on the LE. For 2007, the CE, LE, XLE and Camry Hybrid will ride on 16-inch wheels of either steel or aluminum, while the sporty SE gets unique aluminum 17-inch wheels with six spokes. These are optimized to help ensure brake-heat dissipation.

Thanks to the use of enlarged wheels, brake discs also were enlarged for improved feel and stopping power. Up front, ventilated 11.65-inch discs are used, with solid 11.06-inch discs at the rear. A new brake pad is adopted that provides 10 percent higher coefficient of friction for increased stopping power over the previous model. Finally, Toyota's Brake Assist, an electronic function that senses an emergency stop and applies increased braking power once the driver touches the brake pedal, is standard.

Front suspension is via MacPherson struts. At the rear, a dual-link strut system helps provide an optimal balance between smooth ride and secure handling. To help improve the Camry's handling and driver feel, all lower control arms were lengthened, all spring, shock-absorber and antiroll-bar values, and all suspension geometries, were rethought and recalibrated.

The completely revised chassis was lab-tested using specs simulating the road surfaces in every country in which Camry is sold. Then, to add real-world verification to their new design, engineers road-tested the new suspension design for more than 60,000 miles in more than a dozen countries.

Grades
An essential and primary goal was to ensure that even the least expensive Camry is equipped with a comprehensive list of features to enhance its comfort, convenience and value.

The CE gets an impressive list of standard features, including halogen headlamps with an automatic on/off feature, a tilt and telescopic steering wheel, a six-speaker 160-watt digital AM/FM/CD audio system with an auxiliary audio jack and a 2.4L four-cylinder engine with a five-speed manual transmission. It also comes with 16-inch wheels, a full complement of seven airbags, a vehicle immobilizer and four-wheel disc brakes.

The Camry LE adds to this package a long list of additional features, including an in-key remote keyless entry and eight-way-adjustable power driver's seat. A V6 engine with dual exhausts is also available.

Toyota's decision to distance the sporty Camry SE from the other grades had a significant effect upon the chassis specifications being developed for the new Camry SE. As was the case in previous years, LE and XLE use basically the same chassis specs while the SE uses springs, antiroll bars, shocks and bushings with firmer, sportier values than those used in the other two grades.

But for 2007, there are other differences, as well. The SE has a standard full body kit that positions the car 0.4-inches (10mm) lower than other Camry grades. In addition, a V-shaped brace is added to the SE's body between trunk and cabin and stabilizing braces were added to the underbody to increase the body's torsional rigidity. Finally, to make the SE more appealing to buyers seeking a more dynamic driving experience, the SE delivers performance enhanced by underbody aerodynamics borrowed from Toyota's experience in Formula One.

Tuning the SE chassis involved making the underbody as flat as possible to smooth the airflow under the car, and also to increase the speed of the airflow. Engineers also carefully adjusted the balance between front and rear downforce. The result is exceptional stability at elevated speeds.

Features standard on the SE include sporty 17-inch aluminum wheels, its own distinct black, honeycomb-style grille, ground effects body enhancement, smoked tint halogen headlamps, unique sport-trimmed interior in dark charcoal or medium gray with a leather-wrapped, three-spoke steering wheel and amber-colored optitron gauges.

The XLE's list of standard features includes an upgraded dual-zone automatic climate controlled system with steering-wheel controls, a premium 440-watt JBL audio system with Bluetooth™ technology for hands-free calling, wood-style trim, moonroof, rear reclining seats, fog lamps and 16-inch aluminum wheels. Four-cylinder models are equipped with standard special seat fabric designed to be gentle on the skin, while V6 models feature standard leather-trimmed seats.

Options available on select Camry grades include a tilt/slide moonroof, heated seats, voice-command DVD navigation system, leather-trimmed seating, rear spoiler, Vehicle Stability Control and a Smart Entry and Smart Start system with push-button start that allows drivers to lock, unlock, or start the car just by carrying the Smart Key on his/her person.

Interior
One of the primary goals the new Camry's design team set for itself was to come up with a stylish design and a roomy, comfortable interior.

The team turned its attention to maximizing interior space – in particular, fore-and-aft space - without significantly enlarging the Camry's exterior. It started by pushing the cowl, the bottom of the car's windshield, forward for an increased sense of openness and room in the Camry's passenger cabin.

Redesigned front seats also played a role in adding a feeling of spaciousness to the Camry cabin. Additionally, seat-slide length was increased to accommodate comfortable driving positions for larger drivers and passengers. Manual seats have a range of 10 inches, and power seats offer 10.2 inches of travel.

As a thoughtful detail, an assist plate - a place on which to position one's hand for support while entering and exiting the vehicle- was added to the outboard side of each front power seat-bottom surround panel.

In an expansion of a seat technology first seen on the Toyota Prius, the Camry's seats use Toyota's Whiplash Injury Lessening (WIL) seat design. That means that each seat is designed to help manage whiplash injury.

The 2007 Camry's door trim was redesigned for improved ease of use of the door handles and switches. Designers maximized the size of the space around the door handles for easier access.

Designers also paid careful attention to improving the comfort available to rear-seat passengers. Footwell space for the rear seat was enlarged, and additional rear seat legroom was provided. Available rear legroom now measures 38.3 inches, up from 37.8 inches in the previous generation Camry. To enhance comfort for rear-seat XLE passengers, seatbacks now recline eight degrees from their standard position. Alternately, a 60/40 non-reclining fold-down rear seat is standard on CE and LE grades. Rear-seat passengers also get dedicated personal reading lamps on moonroof-equipped Camrys.

So complete was the rethink of the Camry's interior that even the seat fabric was redesigned. Used exclusively on the top-of-the-line XLE four-cylinder model, the new standard fabric is treated by the Fraichir process. In this process, fabric is coated with a naturally occurring component called Sericin, which is extracted from silkworm cocoons and refined. This substance is used because it contains a natural moisturizing component.

Additionally, in their search for increased space, designers did not overlook the Camry's trunk. With the 60/40 fold down rear seats, it offers 15 cubic feet of luggage space. With the reclining or fixed rear seats, it delivers 14.5 cubic feet of storage space. It is equipped with a grocery hook, a utility box and a luggage net (on XLE) for added convenience.

The revised interior involved a complete redesign of every detail of the dash and console, in part to avoid the impression that the dash crowds the Camry's passengers, and also to improve instrument visibility and ease use of all controls.

The dash itself uses a two-level configuration with the upper level moved toward the front of the vehicle to improve the impression of roominess.

In the instrument panel, instruments are larger than before, with larger lettering and longer needles. The speedometer is marked in five-mph increments, a step that is important to American buyers because speed limits of 55, 65 and 75 mph are very common. Additionally, the odometer and trip meters are illuminated at all times to improve daytime visibility.

Special attention was paid to the audio/HVAC control panel. The control panel features switches that are slimmer and neater than previously, with larger lettering, and with surface luminescence for easier use at night.

A standard multi-information display offers outside temperature readings, possible cruising range, average speed, average fuel consumption and trip odometer.

Designers built in many storage spaces around the front-passenger area, including console side-pockets, marking the first use of this storage option in a sedan. Storage options also include a large front console box equipped with an accessory power socket and an auxiliary audio jack - this box is big enough to store eight CD jewel cases. Other storage areas include an accessory box behind the shift lever containing another accessory power socket, a 354 square inch rear-console box with a card holder and a movable tray, and, adjacent to the shift lever, holders for two large cups.

A new HVAC system, standard on the XLE and Hybrid, incorporates automatic climate-control with separate left and right zones. This new system uses Plasmacluster ionizer technology to help reduce airborne mold spores, microbes, fungi, odors, germs and bacteria inside the passenger cabin. The plasmacluster ionizer does this by artificially creating positive and negative ions that seek out and surround harmful airborne substances.

Engines and Transmissions
The 2AZ-FE engine, standard across the Camry grade lineup, is based on the 2.4-liter four-cylinder engine from last year, but is substantially upgraded. This redesign employs optimized intake and exhaust systems, as well as strategies that reduce internal friction and enhance engine-block/crankcase rigidity. The result is improved power output with exceptional fuel economy and reduced noise and vibration levels.

This engine is based on bore/stroke dimensions of 3.48 x 3.78 inches (88.5 x 96mm) for a displacement of 2,362 cc, or 144.1 ci, and develops 158 SAE horsepower. During their revision of the existing engine, engineers boosted the compression ratio slightly to 9.8:1, altered the cam profile and paid particular attention to reducing friction through strategies such as reducing the tension of the piston rings while increasing their tensile strength. Finally, they reduced piston weight, optimized the balance shaft, improved sound insulation performance of the engine cover and improved the engine mounts.
With this engine, Camry buyers have the choice of either five-speed manual or electronically operated five-speed automatic transmission.

For those looking for more power, the new 2GR-FE engine – a 24-valve, DOHC 3.5L V6 - is available in the LE, SE and XLE. This engine is designed to deliver up to 40 percent better acceleration over the 2006 model year Camry 3.3-liter V6. The V6 is based on bore/stroke measurements of 3.70 x 3.27 inches (94.0 x 83.0 mm) for a displacement of 210.9 ci, or 3,459cc, and uses a compression ratio of 10.8:1 to generate 268 SAE horsepower.

The dual camshafts, which are chain-driven, employ Dual Variable Valve Timing with intelligence (Dual VVT-i) for optimal cam timing – and therefore maximum power production - at all RPM levels.

Engineers improved airflow through every element of the engine's intake tract. This includes improving air-cleaner shapes, intake ducts and the intake manifold and cylinder head intake ports. In addition, valve openings were enlarged and exhaust pressure loss was reduced from the exhaust manifold to the muffler. Engineers modified the shape of the Camry's taper-squish combustion chambers to make maximum use of that air. And they provided exhaust manifolds that incorporate catalytic converters for greater efficiency.

Harnessing this engine's output is an all-new six-speed automatic transmission that uses 21 percent fewer parts than the conventional five-speed automatic transmission it replaces. This new transmission, which can be shifted sequentially, relies upon a newly developed gear train that uses a Ravigneaux-type compound planetary gear for reduced size, weight and friction.

This new transmission also uses a quick-response, low-friction clutch pack for enhanced fuel economy; an ultra-flat, low-inertia torque converter for high transmission efficiency; a set of high-response, low-slip clutch packs and new electronic and hydraulic control systems that incorporate an intelligent shift control that learns driver's driving style and selects gears based on that style.

As a result of this development, transmission kickdown response was cut to 0.5 seconds, more than twice as fast as the response of the transmission this new one replaces.

Audio
The standard audio system in the 2007 Camry incorporates an AM/FM/six-disc in-dash CD changer with six speakers and uses a four-channel digital amplifier that produces 160 watts of output. Additionally, all audio systems are capable for reading CDs with MP3 files.

The premium JBL system, standard in the XLE and Hybrid, offers AM/FM/six-disc in-dash CD changer with eight speakers and an eight-channel, 440-watt digital amplifier for low distortion and faithful reproduction of a wide range of musical types and styles. When a navigation system is added, the premium JBL system integrates that system and comes with a four-disc in-dash CD changer. The JBL audio system includes Bluetooth® technology for hands-free telephone compatibility.

Safety
All 2007 Camrys come equipped with an Antilock Brake System (ABS), Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD), and Brake Assist. Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) with traction control, an electronic system that controls engine output and brake application on individual wheels to help control loss of traction in turns, is available as an option.
Dual-stage advanced SRS airbags are standard on all Camry models. Standard seat-mounted side airbags and side curtain airbags help provide coverage for the length of the passenger compartment. A driver's knee airbag also is standard.

Camry Hybrid
Toyota extends its hybrid leadership by making its exclusive Hybrid Synergy Drive available in the 2007 Camry. Hybrid Synergy Drive consists of dual gas and electric power sources that are complementary and produce a combined 192 horsepower. This system varies power between gas and electric, or both, as needed.

The first half of this system consists of the 2.4L four-cylinder 2AZ-FXE Atkinson-cycle engine, which generates 147 hp and is coupled to a continuously variable transmission (CVT). The second half of the Hybrid Synergy Drive equation consists of a small, specially developed electric drive motor that produces 45 horsepower, an ultra-small inverter with a specially designed compact battery and a transaxle to provide the economy and seamless performance hybrid drivers seek.

In addition to its groundbreaking Hybrid Synergy Drive, Camry Hybrid comes with a long list of standard features. These include a tire-pressure monitoring system, halogen headlamps with automatic on/off, a premium JBL audio system with an auxiliary audio jack and Bluetooth® technology, cruise control, a tilt and telescopic steering wheel, dual-zone automatic climate control heating and air conditioning, an eight-way-adjustable power driver's seat, a 60/40 split fold-down rear seat, 16-inch aluminum wheels, heated outside rear-view mirrors and much more.

Additionally, the Camry Hybrid is equipped with an "ECO" button that limits energy consumption by the HVAC system and under certain conditions can help improve fuel economy.

Because there are situations in daily driving in which the gas engine in a Toyota hybrid is completely shut down, air-conditioning and power-steering systems are driven electrically, rather than by the engine. This ensures these features will continue to operate, whatever the status of the Camry Hybrid's drive system.

Finally, special attention was paid to the vehicle underbody with the use of wheel spats and underbelly pans resulting in a low coefficient of aerodynamic drag (Cd) of 0.27, which helps increase fuel economy.

Warranty
The 2007 Camry and Camry Hybrid are covered by Toyota's 36-month/36,000-mile basic new-vehicle warranty that applies to all components other than normal wear and maintenance items. Additional 60-month warranties cover the powertrain for 60,000 miles and corrosion perforation with no mileage limitation.

The Camry Hybrid also has an eight-year/100,000 mile warranty that covers the hybrid–related components, including the HV battery, battery control module, hybrid control module, and inverter with converter.

I see ToyotaNation liked the pics I showed them lol. I asked them to start a new thread with them and viola! Also everyone should go to Toyota.com. They have an interactive webpage that has lovely pics of a silver Camry SE and the Hybrid. Pics on the CE/LE/XLE won't be available until February on the interactive site.

I'm quite surprised that the V6 is the exact same as the Avalon's. Very disappointed in the 4hp increase for the I4, though. Otherwise, a very impressive progression of the Camry to Gen 6. Toyota's styling designs are definitely headed in the right direction to catch up with the rest of the field.

Pure Sweetness!

"Toyota's decision to distance the sporty Camry SE from the other grades had a significant effect upon the chassis specifications being developed for the new Camry SE. As was the case in previous years, LE and XLE use basically the same chassis specs while the SE uses springs, antiroll bars, shocks and bushings with firmer, sportier values than those used in the other two grades.

But for 2007, there are other differences, as well. The SE has a standard full body kit that positions the car 0.4-inches (10mm) lower than other Camry grades. In addition, a V-shaped brace is added to the SE's body between trunk and cabin and stabilizing braces were added to the underbody to increase the body's torsional rigidity. Finally, to make the SE more appealing to buyers seeking a more dynamic driving experience, the SE delivers performance enhanced by underbody aerodynamics borrowed from Toyota's experience in Formula One.

Tuning the SE chassis involved making the underbody as flat as possible to smooth the airflow under the car, and also to increase the speed of the airflow. Engineers also carefully adjusted the balance between front and rear downforce. The result is exceptional stability at elevated speeds.

Features standard on the SE include sporty 17-inch aluminum wheels, its own distinct black, honeycomb-style grille, ground effects body enhancement, smoked tint halogen headlamps, unique sport-trimmed interior in dark charcoal or medium gray with a leather-wrapped, three-spoke steering wheel and amber-colored optitron gauges. "

First post here at TN!! Looking at the flash site at Toyota.com the new Camry looks excellent!!.
http://pressroom.toyota.com/Images?p=2&criteria=07camry
I really like this blue SE, remeber the 4cyl is fuel economy, the 2GR takes care of performance.
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very impressive. :thumbup:

http://tyt.tnpv.net/Image/2006/01/TYT2006010654493_PV.jpg
Mpg gauge instead of power kw gauge in the Camry Hybrid.
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I found a pic of the Ni-Hy Batter in the pressroom.

"deliver up to 40 percent better acceleration over the 2006 model year Camry 3.3-liter V6"


How fast is this? :)

Very disappointed in the 4hp increase for the I4, though. Otherwise, a very impressive progression of the Camry to Gen 6.


They need to leave some rooms to refesh the Camry in two years.

not a big fan of the fuel consumption guage. They ahve been using them on BMW's for a while and they jsut seem to bounce around. Hopefully Toyota has done abetter job at it.


Overall it is very nice. Now if I could only afford to buy one. Has to be the SE though.

I like all of the standard safety features. It seems that was one of hte older models weaknesses. THey ahd good safety ratings overall but lacked some of the airbags and things like taht as standard. I guess they are taking that from Hyundai since they are putting it standard on all the Sonata's.

Hideous...... There Are Wayyyyyy Toooo Many Lines And Things Going On Especially On The Hood And Front Facia. Disappointing... Non The Less Its Still Better Looking Than The Current Accord

i think its basically a nicer more curvy gen 5, with redesigned gen 4 tail lights...over all, nice interior, w/ updated body, it kinda keeps the general camry "curves" but has a few more sharp edeges!

i like it a lot, especially with the "sportier" body kit! underbody aerodynamics development from formula one on a camry? be still my heart! very sweet! :thumbup: way up. thank you toyota for not coming up short on this one.

I just passed out!!!! More than I ever hoped for!!!
TODAY is Christmas for me!!
I love that the SE has the cool sport grill.
Can anyone get the larger pics like of the blue SE?

Breathe man, Breathe!!!!!

"deliver up to 40 percent better acceleration over the 2006 model year Camry 3.3-liter V6"


How fast is this? :)
I'll tell you how fast, gonna fly past those 6 cylinder Accords!!!

I'll tell you how fast, gonna fly past those 6 cylinder Accords!!!
C&D tested 6.1 seconds with the larger Avalon, some Bimmer owners will get embarrased when a Camry smokes them.:lol:

They need to leave some rooms to refesh the Camry in two years.
Not to say that this won't happen, but the Camry's engine has only been upgraded during mid-generation once, and that was the V6 a few years ago only for the SE. According to Wikipedia, the I4's got very small increases between the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th generations. Guess I was just expecting a similar increase for Gen 5-6 as we saw in Gen 4-5 (133 to 157 hp). The V6's, though, have been increasing 10-25 hp every generation, and this time was a big exception (190/210 to 268 hp!)

Oh bummer! The Le, which is the one I'll be getting has that funky sloted grill.
I'll just have to see if I can get a SE grill and have them swap it out.
I know it will be possible, I just wonder if they will sell me the part.
I'm dying to see the LE images and the interior of it. I sure hope they keep that parking brake down on the floor like they are on the SE. There's NO reason having that thing taking up valuable center space as it is on the 2006's.
Maybe, just maybe they will offer an XLE in cloth with the 6, then I could get that.
I am so ready for this car.

C&D tested 6.1 seconds with the larger Avalon, some Bimmer owners will get embarrased when a Camry smokes them.:lol:

Some of them are already embarrased when a V6 Accord flies past them.

I love the look of the Gen 3 & Gen 5, but this is just plain ugly!

deuce needs to fix his credit.... :evil:

Yea.. i'm contemplating this SE man... keep my current Camry and mod the hell out of it.. and get the 07/08 SE when I graduate... the hoodline don't look so bad in the red and blue...

I wonder if you can buy the LED tails and swap them in... and go to Toyota.com (www.toyota.com) and click on the camrty link on the bottom right.. that front shot of it is sexy....

love the new look.
especially on the SE.
has a nice presence.
sucks that only the Hybrid gets LED tails.
nice that at least the SE gets dual exhaust tips.


I WANT ONE!

that emblem has got to go. The way the emblem hangs makes it look like an arkvark. The nose is ugly ugly ugly. Rest of the car looks nice.

STUNNING, simply stunning. Best midsize car, EVER.

I wonder if the 07 has folding mirrors.:confused:

I'll tell you how fast, gonna fly past those 6 cylinder Accords!!!
:thumbup:

Suppose 3.3SE 0-60 7.6s

then 40% better acceleralation is: 7.6*(1-0.4)= 4.6s!!!! ?? :eek:

:thumbup:

Suppose 3.3SE 0-60 7.6s

then 40% better acceleralation is: 7.6*(1-0.4)= 4.6s!!!! ?? :eek:

^Ha! I don't think it works like that

Looks great-- I want one :whatwhat:

The SE has a standard full body kit that positions the car 0.4-inches (10mm) lower than other Camry grades.

Not to nitpick, but how is a body kit that lowers ride height... worth bragging about as part of the whole dynamically superior driving experience? What about the springs? :p:

Not a bad car, it'll take some getting used to. I really don't know if whether or not I like it, going to have to see it in person.

I dunno. Gen 5.5 trumps it in the looks dept.

:dunno:

BULLMKT

If they're trying to market it to teens, I can tell you from personal experience that it hasn't worked =( I'm 18, and I think that thing is fugly. I'd choose less of those weird bumps (lines you've been calling them?) all over the car that makes it look like it was made out of silly putty. Streamline it, maybe with a single line across the doorhandles, like in this (http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t81131.html) pic. I was really excited about that look. Ah well.

Next step is modding it to look like how I want it, I guess. That's a long way to go for me...

I'd get it (I'm 24)... seems to be everything I'm lookin for in a car.:clap: I like the design more than the current gen Maxima (which i've always liked until this gen), and i'm hoping it handles just as good as the Mazda 6 (which looks good but the Camry seems to have more goodies).

Keep in mind that I'm comin from a 98 Avalon so maybe anything handles better than that :disappoin ...FWIW the tC handled nice when I drove it and I've never driven the current-gen Max.

If the 3.3L could do it in 8 sec
8/1.4 = ~5.7sec
it sounds possible because avalon could do it in 6.1 sec with 5speedauto + heavier!
almost as fast as an IS
i think it can out run G35, 330, or TL!

http://users.adelphia.net/~heckler1028/images/my6gcam.jpg
Little bit better?

HEll yea.. who's gonna start developing the kits?

Don't get me wrong, I still want one, but I do think the LE, XLE grill is ugly. it's amazing to me how different the car looks from those ugly slots to the cool SE grill.
I can't uinnderstand how there wasn't more dissent in the design team when they introduced those slots. I bet they will get less sales than they could have gotten from some who think that grill is ugly.
But I think all the other features this will still be a great seller..
It's funny I'm looking to change out the slots on an LE to that sport grill on the front and some others are more interesded in the LED's in the rear which doesn't concern me.
Hopefully we'll all be able to swap out the parts we want.

On the news they have been promoting the new Dodge Challenger, and Chevy Camaro. Two very nice cars, but neither will be in production anytime soon, if ever.
But the Camry , which WILL be around got no mention. What do you expect from our media? They ushally leave out 50% of every story anyway. We all know that from the war coverage.

http://users.adelphia.net/~heckler1028/images/my6gcam.jpg
Little bit better?

see how a little change can make it look so much better.

now go submit that to toyota. oops. too late. lol. hopefully gen 5.5 will do something with the grille. other cues from this camry that i'm not feeling: the double deck ish styling that bmw has in the 7 series, the bubbled front fender, the slightly raised tailights that stick out a little bit; and lines where they shouldn't be (hard to point out)

it has some L-Finesse shoved into it, which was applied very nicely in the IS and ok in the GS, but the camry didn't swallow the cues like those cars did.

but anywaiz... man, the m.p.g. difference between the 2.4 and the 3.5 is barely there. good move with the soon-to-be-common GR series engine. expect the GR (especially the 2GR) to pop up in many applications (like the VQ engines in so many nissans). the version in the RAV4 helpes it out-accelerate its class to 60 by at least a whole 2 seconds, and is the 3rd fastest vehicle in the U.S. toyota lineup- next to the avalon and the x-runner (according to car and driver). the camry will probably be the fastest U.S. toyota car now, right next to the avalon. with that power you can easily imagine this camry at least keeping up with those VQ cars, lower-class bimmers and benzes, and who knows what...

:clap:

On the news they have been promoting the new Dodge Challenger, and Chevy Camaro. Two very nice cars, but neither will be in production anytime soon, if ever.
But the Camry , which WILL be around got no mention. What do you expect from our media? They ushally leave out 50% of every story anyway. We all know that from the war coverage.

the camry was never a high-key car. that's what makes it such a wonder. it's so bland in many aspects (including marketing and advertising) and yet sells so much. sure, the camry would sit in the actual showroom floors for a while in some dealerships, but most of the time, they will sit outside in a sea of camrys. you usually see some uber-accecorized suv, truck, solara, or even avalon in the showroom floors.

my point: the camry doesn't need those promotions from the media. the camry is like the boring subject that they know will be the most important. it's like cable tv: you can create all this hype about a new channel on cable that won't last, or would appeal to such a small crowd, and there would be a lot of INITIAL appeal. on the other hand, you won't make so much hype of the major networks on tv, but you know they are the most important because of news, major event coverage, and whatnot.

"you won't make so much hype of the major networks on tv, but you know they are the most important because of news, major event coverage, and whatnot."

No more, do you see how the network news ratings keep droping like stones?
They don't have round the clock coverage.
With all the cable news the networks are scared. Especially with Fox news around.
I love to watch the network news and then watch Brit Hume on Fox for the REAL story!
You notice he always tells you what they left out of the regular news. Some peolple think they are the ones who are biased but their brains have been turned to mush by the networks for so long they can't see the truth when it's presented to them.

This new Camry, especially the 6 IS a great story. I almost bought the 6 cyl Accord because it was so damm quick. But i could not take the hard ride lossening my fillings!
Now I'll get a screamer with a great ride. Sweet.

Anyway your redo of the front end looks cool. Did you see how cool that Challenger and Camaro looked? How come they never produce a car as cool as all the prototypes they display?

I have to say Lexstacy, the more I look at your pic the better it looks.

Well the media sure as hell was talking about Honda's Civic and Ridgeline so why not talk about the best selling car in America for 8 of the last 9 years???

And I wonder why Toyota didn't black-out the headlights like Honda did with the Civic. Both have similar headlights but now the SE basically has nothing to differentiate it (externally) from other trim level besides the ground effects kit and that tacky ass spoiler that doesn't even have a stop lamp. Hopefully Toyota will listen to all the negatives and incorporate these either next year or when the mid-grade redesign (6.5) comes out.

Don't get me wrong, I still want one, but I do think the LE, XLE grill is ugly. it's amazing to me how different the car looks from those ugly slots to the cool SE grill.
I can't uinnderstand how there wasn't more dissent in the design team when they introduced those slots. I bet they will get less sales than they could have gotten from some who think that grill is ugly.
But I think all the other features this will still be a great seller..
It's funny I'm looking to change out the slots on an LE to that sport grill on the front and some others are more interesded in the LED's in the rear which doesn't concern me.
Hopefully we'll all be able to swap out the parts we want.

I personally don't find the grille that ugly. I cleaned it up a little bit (I dont have Photoshop so it isn't perfect like on TN members make it) and it looks kinda elegant.

http://us.f13.yahoofs.com/bc/43c3c955_88ae/bc/My+Pictures/2007CamryMods.jpg?bf5V9wDBHyNhlUQE

This is how it should have been made. The hood line should have been down near the bottom of the headlights like on the current Gen 5s. Why Toyota didn't do this is beyond me.

once I get past the wart nose, I kinda like it.

I REALLY wish the V6 had a manual. As fast much as it has, I feel the driving experience will really get sapped by the auto. ah well.

It's still 1st on my list of cars to test out

I personally don't find the grille that ugly. I cleaned it up a little bit (I dont have Photoshop so it isn't perfect like on TN members make it) and it looks kinda elegant.

http://us.f13.yahoofs.com/bc/43c3c955_88ae/bc/My+Pictures/2007+Camry+XLE.jpg?bf938wDBg1GS_oaO

This is how it should have been made. The hood line should have been down near the bottom of the headlights like on the current Gen 5s. Why Toyota didn't do this is beyond me.Now that looks alot cleaner!

http://users.adelphia.net/%7Eheckler1028/images/my6gcam.jpg
Little bit better?That looks a lil too Solara ish... I'm not a huge fan of that design. But it does look a little bit better here.

with a car like this I dont see why people would need to buy a more expensive car. It looks the like a luxury car when parked in front of the villa and looks like the part of a legit sports sedan in the SE tri.

Personally I like the silver XLE better than the red SE but I wish Toyota decided on putting a darker shade of faux wood in the interior coz it looks tacky in that yellowish state.

Does any1 kno how to get the bigger pics from the pressroom?

Does any1 kno how to get the bigger pics from the pressroom?
http://www.thecarlounge.net/gallery/gallery2.php?mode=album&album=/Events/International%20Auto%20Shows/NAIAS/2006/Toyota%20Camry&start=0
The Car Lounge has some of the Pressroom pics in larger form.

^All the Camry images in the TN Gallery (http://www.toyotanation.com/photos/showgallery.php/cat/771) are full-size. Click the thumbnail for medium size image and click it again for full-size image.

I've also updated the first post in this thread with more detailed feature/specification/options information. The gallery is also being updated as we speak with more Camry Hybrid images.

Now this is a beautifully colored Camry

http://www.thecarlounge.net/gallery/albums//Events/International%20Auto%20Shows/NAIAS/2006/Toyota%20Camry/055.jpg

^All the Camry images in the TN Gallery (http://www.toyotanation.com/photos/showgallery.php/cat/771) are full-size. Click the thumbnail for medium size image and click it again for full-size image.

I've also updated the first post in this thread with more detailed feature/specification/options information. The gallery is also being updated as we speak with more Camry Hybird images.Nice thanks!

And I love love love that blue... and I'm happy to see it on the SE since for some odd reason the Avalon Touring and the RAV4 Sport don't seem to come in blue.http://www.toyotanation.com/photos/data/771/medium/07_Camry_SE_23.jpg

the car looks good but....

the four cylinder only gets 1 more HP and the gen6 weights 200 pounds more.

The dimensions are virtually the same except the new camry gets a bigger trunk. A bigger trunk wasnt exaclty one of those things I was looking forward to.


New styling is not enough to pull me out of my gen 5.

http://us.f13.yahoofs.com/bc/43c3c955_88ae/bc/My+Pictures/2007CamryModXLE.jpg?bfh..wDBQrmOE9ZL

This isn't the best photoshop job but why couldn't the XLE look like this. Just a minor design change and the car looks soooo much better.

What do you think the pricing will be for this beauty? :heart:

I think Toyota will be aggressive on pricing at first in order to get as many cars on the road as they can. Having cars on the road provides additional exposure, and it is especially important when you introduce a new model or a new design…

So, how much above the ’06 models in your opinion? :dunno:

Wow, the new Camry is hot! I wish, though, that the non-Hybrid versions came with LED taillamps (even the regular Honda Accord has them). I also wish Toyota would let us decide whether we want leather or not, because not everybody thinks leather automatically equals luxury (ie: XLE V6). I hope the leather is not standard in the Hybrid versions as the media photos portray.

As far as grilles go, the more I look at the non-SE versions, the more I like it. I also think the SE grille and body kit are sweet and offer a good differntiation between the other models.

That dark blue is nice, but I would rather have a dark green personally.

Overall: :thumbsup:

Not to say that this won't happen, but the Camry's engine has only been upgraded during mid-generation once, and that was the V6 a few years ago only for the SE. According to Wikipedia, the I4's got very small increases between the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th generations. Guess I was just expecting a similar increase for Gen 5-6 as we saw in Gen 4-5 (133 to 157 hp). The V6's, though, have been increasing 10-25 hp every generation, and this time was a big exception (190/210 to 268 hp!)They did more than a few powertrain updates on the Gen5.

V6's started out with 192hp/4AT, and went to 210hp(VVT-i)/5AT all around, and then the SE-only got the 3.3L/5AT. That's a lot of changes all in one generation. Also, the 2AZ 2.4L engine got upgraded from a 4AT to a 5AT also.


Anyways, I really like the new Camry. I think it'll either come down to a Camry SE V6 for me, or an Avalon. I really don't like buying 1st year models at all so I might lean towards an Avalon Touring (or Limited) for that reason alone. Will have to test drive. :D

Interior: A
Well done. The color scheme is nice, panel gaps seem good, and the layout in general is very ergonomic.

Exterior: B-
An new flavor of vanilla. I'm not a fan. It has an awkward stance, and the SE bodykit is kinda lame. For a car this size, bodykits are so early 90s. It makes me think back to the stuff they tacked on Bonnevilles and Luminas back in the day. Once again, the wheel wells are too small...my biggest complaint with Toyota design. If they would just make bigger wheel wells and put larger wheels on, it would improve the stance 100% and give the Camry a more confident look. It has a big snout and a big rear end as well.

Powertrain: B
The 268 hp 3.5L is nice, but the I4 is lacking. The Fusion offers 160 hp base and it only weighs 3100 pounds...the Camry I4 weighs 200 lbs. more. What happened to the 3.0L? Seems like a huge jump from 158 hp to 268 hp...where's the intermediate engine?

Is that indiglo-looking backlighting standard on all trims?

Pricing is a good question, considering the Avalon starts in the late 20s.

Leather IS optional on the XLE and Hybrid models in the states (we get standard leather on the XLE V6 in Canada). The Camry hybrid has optional power heated front seats, leather, moonroof, JBL audio and nav.

The electroluminescent gauges is only for the SE model, it looks like other models get Optitron electronic gauges.

Seems that they put them for the HVAC controls as well! What color are the HVAC controls on the non-SE models?

To me it needs a intermediate engine like maybe like a refeshed 3.0L. the front end to me looks akward.:ugh3: Overall good job.:thumbup:

Now this is a beautifully colored Camry

http://www.thecarlounge.net/gallery/albums//Events/International%20Auto%20Shows/NAIAS/2006/Toyota%20Camry/055.jpg
:thumbup:

To me it needs a intermediate engine like maybe like a refeshed 3.0L. the front end to me looks akward.:ugh3: Overall good job.:thumbup:

Why need a old 3.0 if the new 3.5 costs the same as the old one?

Yeah I agree it's sorta all or nothing these days.

4-cylinder engines are stretched to the max and really can't extend beyond the 2.3-2.5L range which limits them to 160-170-ish hp, unless they're made into 7000+ rpm top-end beasts (Acura TSX). But you end up trading off a lot of efficiency in order to make a 4-banger perform like that. A TSX auto runs low-16's with 205hp/164tq, but does not manage better fuel economy (22/31) than a 269hp Camry! :cool:

The other strategy is to use turbocharging, but when you're cruising and off boost, turbo engines still have much poorer thermal efficiency than a naturally aspirated one and still don't get the mileage. I've seen lots of claims to the contrary and a lot of big talk about how variable turbos and direct injection and yadda yadda will fix everything, but the end results never add up. A new Passat with the 2.0T engine (direct injection & turbocharging) has 200hp/207tq, but also gets 22/31 mpg with the automatic.

For 22/31 mpg, would you rather have 205hp/164tq, 200hp/207tq, or 269hp/248tq. That one is a no brainer. :D

These new GR engines offer unbeatable combinations of power and efficiency. I don't really "need" that much power either. I'd like to see a 3GR-FSE 3.0L engine in the Camry from the GS300. That would give more than enough performance, and could probably nudge the fuel economy to 23-24 mpg city, and 32-33 mpg hwy. All other factors being equal, smaller engines are still more efficient. Less friction, more efficient combustion, and internal combustion engines operate more efficiently with heavier loads on them. Using larger engines but having them more lightly loaded much of the time works against efficiency, not in favor of it.

I guess the 192hp hybrid is the "intermediate" option, but it totes around 300 lbs more hardware than the base 4-cyl so much of that extra power will be lost pulling that around. And it'll also be a ton more expensive.

It'll have more features though and optional power moonroof, leather, heated seats, JBL and nav.

Also, ~40hp is quite a bit. Is it really 300lbs heavier? If you wanna know, the battery on the Prius is only 99kg so I expect the Camry's one to be lighter or equal.

Edit: I checked, Camry's battery is 150lbs

Yeah I agree it's sorta all or nothing these days.

4-cylinder engines are stretched to the max and really can't extend beyond the 2.3-2.5L range which limits them to 160-170-ish hp, unless they're made into 7000+ rpm top-end beasts (Acura TSX). But you end up trading off a lot of efficiency in order to make a 4-banger perform like that. A TSX auto runs low-16's with 205hp/164tq, but does not manage better fuel economy (22/31) than a 269hp Camry! :cool:

The other strategy is to use turbocharging, but when you're cruising and off boost, turbo engines still have much poorer thermal efficiency than a naturally aspirated one and still don't get the mileage. I've seen lots of claims to the contrary and a lot of big talk about how variable turbos and direct injection and yadda yadda will fix everything, but the end results never add up. A new Passat with the 2.0T engine (direct injection & turbocharging) has 200hp/207tq, but also gets 22/31 mpg with the automatic.

For 22/31 mpg, would you rather have 205hp/164tq, 200hp/207tq, or 269hp/248tq. That one is a no brainer. :D

These new GR engines offer unbeatable combinations of power and efficiency. I don't really "need" that much power either. I'd like to see a 3GR-FSE 3.0L engine in the Camry from the GS300. That would give more than enough performance, and could probably nudge the fuel economy to 23-24 mpg city, and 32-33 mpg hwy. All other factors being equal, smaller engines are still more efficient. Less friction, more efficient combustion, and internal combustion engines operate more efficiently with heavier loads on them. Using larger engines but having them more lightly loaded much of the time works against efficiency, not in favor of it.



I guess direct fuel injection(DFI) will definitely help, like IS350 306hp 3.5v6, LS 380hp 4.6v8. Correct me if I am wrong, seems now only VW and Toyota are using DFIs. Maybe still cost a little bit plus non DFI engines still over or matching competitors, so Toyota just use DFI in Lexus engines. I guess next generation Toyota will all get DFI engines.

If they're trying to market it to teens, I can tell you from personal experience that it hasn't worked =( I'm 18, and I think that thing is fugly. I'd choose less of those weird bumps (lines you've been calling them?) all over the car that makes it look like it was made out of silly putty. Streamline it, maybe with a single line across the doorhandles, like in this (http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t81131.html) pic. I was really excited about that look. Ah well.

Next step is modding it to look like how I want it, I guess. That's a long way to go for me...
Toyota's not trying to market this to 18 year olds. They could give a damn what a teenager thinks of his mom's car.

When will this camry be available? Any guesses on pricing? Looks ok, I would have to see it in person, unfortunately it was not at the LA Auto show:sosad:

When will this camry be available? Any guesses on pricing? Looks ok, I would have to see it in person, unfortunately it was not at the LA Auto show:sosad:

the video of the launch on toyota's website says they'll hit dealerships in march and pricing will be announced right before that.

anyone notice the coefficient of drag on this thing? 0.27! that's amazing for a road car. glad to see they took aerodynamics into account. too many people overlook it when trying to improve fuel efficiency.

i'm more worried about how many G's this Camry will pull on the skid pad. with it looking like this, I cant wait to see the Solara replacement, especially with how much I love the Solara SE V6 Sport.

I guess direct fuel injection(DFI) will definitely help, like IS350 306hp 3.5v6, LS 380hp 4.6v8. Correct me if I am wrong, seems now only VW and Toyota are using DFIs. Maybe still cost a little bit plus non DFI engines still over or matching competitors, so Toyota just use DFI in Lexus engines. I guess next generation Toyota will all get DFI engines.A lot of companies use direct injection in gasoline engines. Mazda is in the MS6, VW/Audi are, and Isuzu has for years (SUV V6's). Tons more companies do also, but those cars don't always make it to US shores. Nissan has had direct injection variants of the VQ V6 since the late-90's or so, but they've been JDM market only.

Direct injection will definitely be finding its way into more and more engines, but newer technology is always more expensive than older, so yeah it might only be used in higher-tier cars first and then trickle down later depending on what the individual company's strategy is.

i'm more worried about how many G's this Camry will pull on the skid pad. with it looking like this, I cant wait to see the Solara replacement, especially with how much I love the Solara SE V6 Sport.I would be surprised if it broke 0.80g's. Probably high-0.7 range as just a guesstimate.

My Maxima has 215/55 rubber and with 3100 lbs to turn it does something in the low/mid-0.8 range. The Camry has the same rubber but 400 lbs of additional weight to turn. I wish the SE's had 225 or 235 rubber optional. That'd be a lot better but it'd cut down on fuel economy also. More rolling friction and poorer aerodynamics also. It'd probably go from 22/31 mpg to 21/30 or something.

with a car like this I dont see why people would need to buy a more expensive car. It looks the like a luxury car when parked in front of the villa and looks like the part of a legit sports sedan in the SE tri.

Personally I like the silver XLE better than the red SE but I wish Toyota decided on putting a darker shade of faux wood in the interior coz it looks tacky in that yellowish state.

I agree. I can pretty much buy any car I want, up to $90 grand.
But I just don't think there is a need to piss that much money away on a car.
Especially when you can get a great car like a Camry for less than 30 grand.
Besides I hate leather seats, so for me the Camry is the nicest car I can get in cloth. I can't even get an XLS because the 6 will have only leather. That kind of pisses me off but Oh well.
So I'll have to live with a LE with the 6 with as many options as I can get.
I also would love a darker wood on the interior. I hate that light wood on the Lexus ES, and the Avalon, it does look cheap.

[quote=AvalonMan96]Wow, the new Camry is hot! I wish, though, that the non-Hybrid versions came with LED taillamps (even the regular Honda Accord has them). I also wish Toyota would let us decide whether we want leather or not, because not everybody thinks leather automatically equals luxury (ie: XLE V6). I hope the leather is not standard in the Hybrid versions as the media photos portray.

That dark blue is nice, but I would rather have a dark green personally.

I like that blue also, it's very distinctive. On the Accord you can only get leather with the Hybrid and I'm pretty sure the Camry Hybrid will have it also. Just the way it is.

Camry Hybrid and XLE models have premium cloth as standard, with optional leather. It says so in the features list

Camry Hybrid and XLE models have premium cloth as standard, with optional leather. It says so in the features list
The release says XLE seats in the 6 are standard leather.
The six cyl XLE has always had leather only. That's why I havent bought one for the last 4 years and keep driving my 92 Camry. I tried everything including getting them to swap out the seats to cloth and they wouldn't do it for me.

By the way I don't know much about Vehicle Stability Control. Can anyone tell me how useful, or degrading to the ride it is?

I agree. I can pretty much buy any car I want, up to $90 grand.
But I just don't think there is a need to piss that much money away on a car.
Especially when you can get a great car like a Camry for less than 30 grand.
Besides I hate leather seats, so for me the Camry is the nicest car I can get in cloth. I can't even get an XLS because the 6 will have only leather. That kind of pisses me off but Oh well.
So I'll have to live with a LE with the 6 with as many options as I can get.
I also would love a darker wood on the interior. I hate that light wood on the Lexus ES, and the Avalon, it does look cheap.I have a similar mentality. I think Cloth is still standard on SE V6's though. It's listed as optional on the 2007 specs for SE's. And on 2006 Camry's, cloth is still standard on SE V6's also. All of my cars have had leather and I wouldn't mind having cloth. Leather is hot as hell in the summer, freezes your arse in the winter, and because of that it sucks you into a heated seat option for the winter, and deep tints for the summer. All for friggin leather. Forget that. Gimme cloth! :D

It might be a little trouble to find at a dealership is all though. When we were getting our Highlander my wife actually wanted to get a Limited but w/o leather because she didn't like it. You can actually get Limited HL's without leather, but you have to custom order and since they're built in Japan we were told it takes 6 wks. No thanks, we just got one with leather anyways and she actually ended up liking it. Camry's are built in the US though so a special order shouldn't take nearly as long in the event you can't find what you're looking for on the lot or in the immediate area dealer network.

Camry's are built in the US though so a special order shouldn't take nearly as long in the event you can't find what you're looking for on the lot or in the immediate area dealer network.[/quote]
I'm going to BEG the dealer to get me a 6 cyl XLE in cloth seats special order, I can wait, but they have never been able to do it in the past. Some bull about the car hasn't been tested with cloth seats in the XLE six and they have to follow government regulations. Heck, I think cloth is safer, with leather if you get hit you slide off them like your on ice!
Maybe now that they are built in America I'll have a chance, but I doubt it.

The people at my Toyota dealership are so snotty I walked out on them last year when I almost bought a 2006 Camry and they asked for MORE than sticker and would not deal.
I went to my local Honda dealership, where my wife bought her Pilot, and our salesman went over to Toyota and got me a test drive. They own the Toyota dealerhip and can do that. So I'm going to my Honda dealer dude to get me the Toyota. He's such a really nice guy and can deal with the pinheads at Toyota so I don't have to hastle with them. I'd rather he get the commision anyway. The Honda people bent over backwards for us. The Toyota people were uniformed and nasty. I almost bought the 6 cyl Accord but the ride was just to firm for me so I decided to wait for this new Camry. I sure hope once I drive it it will have been worth the wait.

Where are you guys finding all this stuff about what's standard and what's optional?

The release says XLE seats in the 6 are standard leather.
The six cyl XLE has always had leather only. That's why I havent bought one for the last 4 years and keep driving my 92 Camry. I tried everything including getting them to swap out the seats to cloth and they wouldn't do it for me.

By the way I don't know much about Vehicle Stability Control. Can anyone tell me how useful, or degrading to the ride it is?

ohhh, sorry didn't know the XLE V6 had standard leather. They said XLE so I assumed both models. My mistake. Hmm, here we have optional leather on both XLE models but yeah, we're getting standard leather for 2007. See if you can get a Canadian-spec XLE V6 in cloth. It's Cdn$33k.


VSC? Depends on how you like to drive your car. If you take it auto-crossing, I'd recommend against it. If you like an extra margin of safety, I'd say go for it. The fact that it can brake individual wheels to maintain control is better than you slamming on the brake pedal and using all 4 wheels.

Jaggrey, we got the info from Toyota Pressroom

Where are you guys finding all this stuff about what's standard and what's optional?On the first page of this thread there's links to specs, features, and options PDFs.

Yo!


It says on the Toyota website the SE will have optional 18 inch wheels!:eek:

Check on Toyota.com -> future vehicles -> Camry -> Innovation.

I don’t really like the look of the SE, but I hope my dealer will be able to do a little wheel swap for me…:naughty:

I'm dissapointed to see this Camry not have HID as an available option. :disappoin

On the first page of this thread there's links to specs, features, and options PDFs.o ok... every time i look at that page something's been added. thanks!

I think the new Camry looks pretty nice. Having the parking brake beside the pedals does allow more space in the console area, but personally, I would prefer it near the gear shifter. I think that would give the interior a sportier feel in the case of the SE model.

Say, why does the Hybrid come with dual climate control while the SE only has one climate zone? Doesn't really matter to me, just as long as they have it on the XLE.

This article explains the reasoning behind the weird horsepower numbers. This is why the numbers went down from 2005 to 2006 models.
http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0508/17/A01-283759.htm

That means the new 2007 4cyl is probably making closer to 165-170hp by the old SAE numbers. The new 6cyl at 268hp will be a rocket.

Drag coefficient is still .28 (.27 on the hybrid) on the 2007's.
I noticed that Toyota cut down the trunk space quite a bit, 15 cubic feet, down from 17 cubic feet. That's weird because it looks like all Camry's are going to the temporary spare tire, which should have increased trunk space? At least they didn't shrink the gas tank.
The suspension specs look the same. They really need to yank those struts off the back end and go to a true multilink suspension like the Accord or a BMW 3 series. Oh well, keeps the prices down.
I wonder about the daytime running lights and the foot pedal parking brake on automatic equipped cars?
I also wonder how expensive that hybrid is going to be. At least it's on a 4cyl engine model which makes sense, not like Honda's V6 hybrid which makes no sense. Probably won't even get to see one for a couple of years anyways, demand will be pretty high.

I can't wait to drive a 2007 Camry. It'll be tempting to trade in my 2005 Camry.

If the 3.3L could do it in 8 sec
8/1.4 = ~5.7sec
it sounds possible because avalon could do it in 6.1 sec with 5speedauto + heavier!
almost as fast as an IS
i think it can out run G35, 330, or TL!


It will not out run a G35. The G35 has more HP and torque. In additional you can get it in a a 6 speed manual.

I don't like the front lights buldging out at the sides and the bump in the hood at the front. Other than that, I think its a huge improvement and I like the rest of the car.

http://www.autoextremist.com/2006%20NAIAS/cars/camry2.jpg

I live in Cambridge, Ontario (Canada), Toyota's city of choice for manufacturing the Corolla, Matrix and LX330 (among other things) and while I was driving home from my gym in Kitchener (a neighbouring city) yesterday, Wednesday, I believe I saw a new Camry on the highway (401 for fellow Ontarians).

I'm positive it wasn't an Avalon, it certainly was shorter, had that distinctive grill shown here in the pictures. It was travelling in the opposite direction as me, so I only saw it for a good two seconds, but I'm positive it was the new Camry. Are they out yet?

It will not out run a G35. The G35 has more HP and torque. In additional you can get it in a a 6 speed manual.It won't outrun the G35 that's for sure, but it won't have any trouble keeping up with one either. I built a simulation model for the 2007 Camry SE V6 in CarTest software and with a 2.25 60' and premium gas (the old 280hp/260tq ratings for the 2GR-FE) it's showing solid 14.4's @ 98 mph! :eek: Given that the magazines use actual trap speed and not averaged over the last 66' like real tracks do, you could very well see CAMRYS trapping at 100+ mph in the magazines! :lol: 14.6 @ 96-97 mph with the 268hp/248tq ratings on regular fuel. That's right in the same range that a G35 auto runs. Also, with the 6spd automatic the Camry might have an advantage over an automatic G from a roll depending on the speed. The 6spd manual G35 is definitely quicker, but the G driver better not be sleeping that's for sure, otherwise they may be seeing Camry tail.

The new G will be out I guess this fall though, so it'd probably make more sense to compare it to that one but the specs haven't been released yet.

The G35's 280hp is under the old standard. Under the old standard, the Avalon made 280hp too.

still no sidemarkers. They can put them on a $17k Scion but not on the Camry???

It won't outrun the G35 that's for sure, but it won't have any trouble keeping up with one either. I built a simulation model for the 2007 Camry SE V6 in CarTest software and with a 2.25 60' and premium gas (the old 280hp/260tq ratings for the 2GR-FE) it's showing solid 14.4's @ 98 mph! :eek: Given that the magazines use actual trap speed and not averaged over the last 66' like real tracks do, you could very well see CAMRYS trapping at 100+ mph in the magazines! :lol: 14.6 @ 96-97 mph with the 268hp/248tq ratings on regular fuel. That's right in the same range that a G35 auto runs. Also, with the 6spd automatic the Camry might have an advantage over an automatic G from a roll depending on the speed. The 6spd manual G35 is definitely quicker, but the G driver better not be sleeping that's for sure, otherwise they may be seeing Camry tail.

The new G will be out I guess this fall though, so it'd probably make more sense to compare it to that one but the specs haven't been released yet.


If Manual and auto run the same time theoreticaly, I always pick no-brainer Auto.

Even grandpa/grandma can repeat the close consistent results :lol:

The G35's 280hp is under the old standard. Under the old standard, the Avalon made 280hp too.

I thought the Avalon ended up being 268 under the new standard exactly, right?:confused:

I liked the new HP standards, because I got to laugh at Honda for losing 15-20HP on every engine

Did you all see the new key design? Whoa! Talk about Mercedes! Go to toyota.com, and click on teh Camry's mini site, go to SE, and click on picture # 10, and look at towards the key hole, and tell me what you think.
http://www.toyotanation.com/photos/data/771/medium/07_Camry_XLE_24.jpg (http://www.toyotanation.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/5228/size/big)

The G35's 280hp is under the old standard. Under the old standard, the Avalon made 280hp too.The FX35 has the same exact engine and it says...

http://www.nissannews.com/infiniti/2006vehicles/fx/specs.shtml

Horsepower*
280 @ 6,200 rpm
270 lb-ft @ 4,800 rpm

* All horsepower ratings are per SAE J1349 AUG2004
The thing with these ratings now is that you can't advertise the power the engines make on premium fuel yet then say that only regular fuel is required. If you want to advertise premium numbers, you must also say premium required (or something like that) and market it as a premium fuel vehicle. A lot of people don't want to have to put premium fuel in a Camry, hence the huge drops for 2006 models. Toyota was advertising the premium fuel power, but only "requiring" regular. Can't do that anymore. And they were probably taking advantage of some other loose language in the old standards as well because those were some big azz drops on the Camry.

If you read the specs from Toyota Pressroom, they say the lower 268hp/248tq numbers for both the Avalon and the Camry and they also say only regular fuel is required. They could have stuck with the 280hp/260tq numbers but then they also would have had to say that premium was required.

3MZ-FE rating on 06 Camry with regular fuel required: 210hp/220tq
3MZ-FE rating on 06 RX330 with premium fuel required: 223hp/238tq

Nissan is "selectively" recerting some of their engines and so far the "298hp" G35 engine is highly suspect. For the 265hp Maxima what they did was keep the 265hp rating but leave an asterick saying that "ratings will decrease on new system, but engine performance will not change" or something like that. :rolleyes: So they're still playing games.

Interior: A
Well done. The color scheme is nice, panel gaps seem good, and the layout in general is very ergonomic.

Exterior: B-
An new flavor of vanilla. I'm not a fan. It has an awkward stance, and the SE bodykit is kinda lame. For a car this size, bodykits are so early 90s. It makes me think back to the stuff they tacked on Bonnevilles and Luminas back in the day. Once again, the wheel wells are too small...my biggest complaint with Toyota design. If they would just make bigger wheel wells and put larger wheels on, it would improve the stance 100% and give the Camry a more confident look. It has a big snout and a big rear end as well.

Powertrain: B
The 268 hp 3.5L is nice, but the I4 is lacking. The Fusion offers 160 hp base and it only weighs 3100 pounds...the Camry I4 weighs 200 lbs. more. What happened to the 3.0L? Seems like a huge jump from 158 hp to 268 hp...where's the intermediate engine?
The 1MZ-FE is a good engine, but it's old by Toyota standards, and the 2GR is it's replacement. I really don't think there is a need for an intermediate engine.

Did you all see the new key design? Whoa! Talk about Mercedes! Go to toyota.com, and click on teh Camry's mini site, go to SE, and click on picture # 10, and look at towards the key hole, and tell me what you think.
http://www.toyotanation.com/photos/data/771/medium/07_Camry_XLE_24.jpg (http://www.toyotanation.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/5228/size/big)

It's not like the Mercedes ones. It's the same as the current Accord. It's just the fob buttons incorporated into the key that's all. You still insert a key into the ignition. The German fobs are more like the key incorporated into the fob lol.


SteVTEC,

hmm I see. They're still playing with words with the ratings may decrease but engine performance will not change. It'll change if it's because of fuel cause e.g. 268 vs 280hp on Toyota's 3.5 litre is significant but if it's a change due to the new system and not premium vs. regular fuel, then ya, engine performance won't change.

I wonder why they won't drop the 3GR from the GS300. Raising the HP on that engine shouldn't be a problem. It would distance it from the premium Avalon yet still provides enough power to outrun most V6's. If the GS can go to 60 at 6.9secs, the lighter Camry should be able to do it in the low 6's.

hehe.. a Camry doing 6 secs. Not that there's anything wrong. The Passat 3.6 litre has 280hp (dunno if under old or new spec) so there's Toyota with its response to that.


Hmm, I noticed the steering wheel is wrapped differently this time. In the current 4-spoke, it has two pieces. In the picture above, it's in four. Does that mean some time in this cycle, the XLE model is expected to get a wood/leather steering wheel?

Is there to be a TRD supercharger for the Camry/Avalon? I think I remember a rumor or something like that a while back.(?)

Hmm, I noticed the steering wheel is wrapped differently this time. In the current 4-spoke, it has two pieces. In the picture above, it's in four. Does that mean some time in this cycle, the XLE model is expected to get a wood/leather steering wheel?
I thought there were pictures, grainy, that showed the XLE interior. There was wood on the steering wheel, but it was RHD. So Japan Spec. I suppose. Though I bet that it does have wood on the wheel.

Actually, the current Gen5 and 5.5 steering wheels are also in four pieces - go to www.toyota.com/Camry (http://www.toyota.com/Camry) and check it out. The US models don't get wood on the wheels but other countries do. In many Asian countries, the current Gen5 and 5.5 Camries have HID, power reclining rear seats, etc... and cost a hefty $60K.

I wouldn't be surprised to see in the future wood on the wheel being offered in XLE. I already seen a 2006 LE "special edition" model at a dealership with wood on the wheel - doens't look too bad actually.

here's an example - this one's in the philipines:
http://www.toyota.com.ph/showroom/camry_asia_2004/gallery.html

nice...
http://www.toyota.com.ph/media/phen/images/showroom/camry_asia_2004/camry_gal_05_800%20copy.jpg
i have been wanting to add those "feet well" lights ever since i got my car. anyone know how to add them? i am scare of taking the carpet to get the wiring around.

nice...

i have been wanting to add those "feet well" lights ever since i got my car. anyone know how to add them? i am scare of taking the carpet to get the wiring around.

I use white LEDs on mine - wire them to the car's lighting so they turn on only when its dark enough to set off the AUTO headlight setting. I didn't mess with the carpet to put mine in... not to difficult actually. I have an old picture I took a while back. I've since switched out the LED for brighter ones.

http://minhtrile.com/img_01.jpg

thanks..
that's nice..
you see..i want something that is always on..however get brighter when a door is open
so i want to rig it up to the dome lights i suppose..
any photos or diagrams of how i can accomplish this?

Obviously the Japanese models do get the wood on the wheel...

http://www.auto-g.jp/image.html?image=news/200511/23/newcar02/01_b.jpg

Hmm, mine's a 2002 model and it's in 2 pieces.

Yeah, that footwell lighting is cool. I was thinking of going cheap (cause other ones cause $200+) and getting some from IKEA. I saw a set of 4 round lights, each with 4 LEDs in bright white for $40. Think that'll work instead of computer LEDs?

Overall, I like it, and will quite possibly trade the '02 on one. The only complaint I have is that the front looks very much like a Mazda 3... Not what I'd want when spending close to $30K on a car.

thanks..
that's nice..
you see..i want something that is always on..however get brighter when a door is open
so i want to rig it up to the dome lights i suppose..
any photos or diagrams of how i can accomplish this?


Thats a nice project to undertake.. i'm gonna look up what has to be done later

Am I the only one concerned about front legroom? It has less than my 98 Avalon, less than current model year Accords and Altimas as well.

I would if the 07 Avalon will get the six speed auto tranny and ground effects package on the Touring edition

Anyone have a photo of the 2007 Lexus ES?? I know the Camry and the ES share the same chasis.

Doesnt' necessarily mean they're gonna be redesigned at the same time, tho that would make sense. Just like the Maxima and the I35... the I kept being sold for a year after the Max got a redesign. But then again the I ended up being phased out, so not the best example.

Anyone have a photo of the 2007 Lexus ES?? I know the Camry and the ES share the same chasis.


Thought someone had mentioned the ES wouldnt be revealed until early summer or something like that. You may be able to find some on the auto spy websites. I havent relaly been looking for one since it is out of my price range and not as significant a redesign as say the LS was for this year. Not that the ES isnt a nice car, but hte LS has always been sorta boring and with the new model this year they relaly stepped it up. WIth the way Lexus is going it is probably going to look very similar to all the other models that have been released in the last year or so. It seems they are doing more like the other luxury manufacturers and trying to get a family identity that sorta goes along the entire product line. NOt taht all the new models look the same but you can definitely tell the resemblance between them now. IN the past there didnt seem to be anything that really stood out on all of them to say this is a Lexus for sure type thing. Does that even make sense.

Anyone have a photo of the 2007 Lexus ES?? I know the Camry and the ES share the same chasis.

I'm afraid the only one's you will find a VERY CONCEALED photos of the new ES. I've found some spy shots and unlike the 07 Camry in which you could kinda make out the car and get some idea of what it would look like, Lexus has covered the new ES up to such an advanced extent that its virtually impossible to tell what i'll look like. Its funny how Toyota didn't really care about concealing the new Camry but they are being SUPER secretive with the new ES. I did however find out that the new ES will now have a panoramic glass moonroof as an option. That seems kewl.

Wow that'll be awesome!

I'm afraid the only one's you will find a VERY CONCEALED photos of the new ES. I've found some spy shots and unlike the 07 Camry in which you could kinda make out the car and get some idea of what it would look like, Lexus has covered the new ES up to such an advanced extent that its virtually impossible to tell what i'll look like. Its funny how Toyota didn't really care about concealing the new Camry but they are being SUPER secretive with the new ES. I did however find out that the new ES will now have a panoramic glass moonroof as an option. That seems kewl.


Actually, you can see that pano-roof option in the spy pics!

I would if the 07 Avalon will get the six speed auto tranny and ground effects package on the Touring editionI analyzed the gearing between the two cars and the biggest difference is 3rd. With the 6AT it's optimized for 1/4 mile acceleration and has you right at the top of 3rd as you cross the line whereas 3rd in the 5AT is a big longer.

In CarTest simulations, 30-50 mph and 50-70 mph passing are both actually faster in the Avalon with the 5AT than with 6AT. The 6AT only really helps in 70-90 mph passing due to 3rd being a lot shorter than normal. Otherwise about the same. 3rd is short enough that an Avalon would be about a tenth quicker and 1 mph faster in the 1/4 mile with the 6AT though.

If I end up buying an Avalon with a 5AT and they put the 6AT in it the next year I seriously would not care. Or if I buy a closeout 2006 and I know the '07s on the lot have 6ATs I probably wouldn't care either if I could get a good deal on the '06. 5 gears in a big torquey engine is plenty. 6 is getting to be overkill, and 7 and 8 are just bragging rights AFAIC. 6, 7, and 8 spd trannys woudl be useful on the autobahn where you can drive at high speed (once in awhile when there's no traffic, been there done that) and need to keep the engine near peak horsepower. In North America with 55-75 mph speed limits though it's pretty useless.

So what does a 6AT tranny really do for us in the Camry?

So what does a 6AT tranny really do for us in the Camry?

More gears means the engine is able to stay in the optimum gearing for power (under normal operation) or fuel mileage. This is why CVT vehicles are able to achieve better mileage.

Under aggressive acceleration, I believe there is no advantage since you'd be holding lower gears through the RPM range.

I analyzed the gearing between the two cars and the biggest difference is 3rd. With the 6AT it's optimized for 1/4 mile acceleration and has you right at the top of 3rd as you cross the line whereas 3rd in the 5AT is a big longer.

In CarTest simulations, 30-50 mph and 50-70 mph passing are both actually faster in the Avalon with the 5AT than with 6AT. The 6AT only really helps in 70-90 mph passing due to 3rd being a lot shorter than normal. Otherwise about the same. 3rd is short enough that an Avalon would be about a tenth quicker and 1 mph faster in the 1/4 mile with the 6AT though.

If I end up buying an Avalon with a 5AT and they put the 6AT in it the next year I seriously would not care. Or if I buy a closeout 2006 and I know the '07s on the lot have 6ATs I probably wouldn't care either if I could get a good deal on the '06. 5 gears in a big torquey engine is plenty. 6 is getting to be overkill, and 7 and 8 are just bragging rights AFAIC. 6, 7, and 8 spd trannys woudl be useful on the autobahn where you can drive at high speed (once in awhile when there's no traffic, been there done that) and need to keep the engine near peak horsepower. In North America with 55-75 mph speed limits though it's pretty useless.

I was looking at the gearing ratio too, but I see you gave an nice explaination here. If I was to by FWD, I still pick the Avalon.

I wonder what kind of body kits the aftermarket will have for it. If we get the new camry, that's one of the things we'll have done to it.
Any news on a supercharger? I remember something a while back saying that TRD is supposed to have a s/c for the Avalon/Camry. Any more news on that?

steVTech:

Can you put the tranny power ratio's of the Avalon on here.

So so ugly....

I am saddened that they made the sheetmetal so ugly, especially the front fascia and the logo...:(

Still better than the current gen, but we'll just have to see what the next Accord will look like!

Performance with the V6 is great, and Honda will have to catch up to beat that one!

Hello everyone.. some excellent discussion here. For me.. it's a odd choice. Either this 6th gen Camry, or an 07 Camaro.. Prolly going to go w/the "reliable" choice and go for the camry.. but the Camaro does look nice... humm..

Back to the discussion at hand.. Does anyone know what the 18" TRD wheels will look like??:naughty:

Does anyone know if there will be TRD parts the first year for the SE.... It would be nice to see a lower profile on the Camry. I would definitely get one. But I am sort of afraid of the problems I might buy with the car since it is new. Not only that, I am worried, what if they offer VSC as standard for the higher models. I would not get that deal. But if anyone knows about the TRD, that would be nice.

I saw the red 2007 Camry in the flesh today. I'm not a big fan of red cars - they have to have the right curves and edges. But this red Camry wa sharp!! There will be people at Honda quaking in their littke Accord booties very soon.

Smoked!!

Where did you see it?

http://www.japanesecarfans.com/photos.cfm/photoid/3060110.004/toyota/1.html

click on thumbnail to enlarge, click on the photo again to get a larger picture.

Has anyone seen any pics of the volume selling LE 4-cylinder, interior, especially the cloth fabric seat, center stack and instrumentation?

Thanks.

Pictures of the XLE, LE, and CE are arriving in February. Believe.

:snore:

Dang, it's quiet here...


Anybody heard anything new?? Pricing?, pictures?, rumors?

Just out of curiosity. Anyone think the Camry Hybrid will be AWD? Here's my reason, the site said it'll have rear regenerative braking (Prius only has front). My thinking is that if they put an electric motor there to help regenerate from the rear wheels, it might as well help power the rear wheels too à la Highlander Hybrid or RX400h.

The new camry is really ugly and wait...dont get me wrong I love the SE but all the rest grades are ugly and they dont look as sporty as the SE.

:snore:

Dang, it's quiet here...


Anybody heard anything new?? Pricing?, pictures?, rumors?


C&D testdrove 5sp SE

the followings are quoted from edmunds.com 2007 camry forum (posted by austinman7)


For those of you who don't subscribe to Car and Driver, my March issue arrived yesterday with a road test of a 2007 SE 4 cyl. 5-speed manual.

While they praised the suspension and steering, they felt the stability-and-traction-control system dampened performance enough that they called it the "anti-sport" sedan. They acknowledged the safety benefits of the system.

High points for C&D: elegant styling, quietness, and interior roominess. They said the 2.4 engine was adequate.

Their basic point of view was that if Toyota is going to market the SE as a sport sedan, that's how C&D is going to judge it, and the stability control system is the main factor working against the car in that respect. Other than that, they liked the car.

They chose a red car for the test, and I thought the photos made it look very sharp, much classier than the current version.

0-60 is 8.6 sec.
5-60 street start is 9.1 sec.
Skidpad was 0.82
70-0 braking is 175 ft.

They say they took a 4 cyl. because it represents 60 percent of all Camry sales, and the 5-speed manual fits their readers' priorities. They promised more tests with the V-6 and hybrid setups in the future.

As for the "lukewarm" idea, my experience with C&D is that it's hard for them to be really enthusiastic about any car, no matter what its purpose is, unless it has a sporty nature, and they're very upfront about that point of view. So my previous car, for example, a '96 Buick Regal, represents to C&D everything bad about cars, but for me it was a super quiet, smooth, powerful, comfortable highway cruiser with great dependability, and I was willing to live with the floaty suspension.

But my reading of this article is that they really like this 07 Camry, with the caveat of the stability control system. At the end of the article they say they would give this SE the "checkered flag" as a sport sedan if it weren't for that one aspect. Otherwise, they praise it as "athletic" and having "responsive steering and resolute roll control." And they give Toyota lots of credit for the unique engineering in this SE that makes it more than just a Camry with a different badge.

It sounds to me like many of us who are kind of semi-enthusiasts would find this car to be fairly sporty. Instead of C&D's "anti-sport" sedan tag, maybe "semi-sport" sedan would be more fair.

Finally, I'm really taken by the looks of this car in the C&D photos. I hope it looks as good in real life.

0-60 in 8.6 seconds on the 4 cylinder SE?!? wow tha's good

0-60 in 8.6 seconds on the 4 cylinder SE?!? wow tha's good

Slower than the current gen SE, right? and much slower than Accord:sosad:

Waiting for v6 testdrive, hopefully <6s

huh? the current 4 cylinder SE gets < 8.6?!?! wow. In my mind, the Camry LE/XLE V6 does 0-60 in 8 lol

Has anyone seen any pics of the volume selling LE 4-cylinder, interior, especially the cloth fabric seat, center stack and instrumentation?

Thanks.

Yes, I sat inside one at the Detroit Auto Show. The seat fabric is very nice and grippy, but the instrumentation is dull(but very legible from all angles), and the center stack is an almost-exact copy of the current Honda Accord. I was disappointed with that. It looks like they carbon-copied the dash, not much creativity.

I just think Toyota could've been much more creative with the interior and exterior! Oh well, they'll still sell a billion of them based on name recognition!

Here are some of my pics from the Auto Show of the Hybrid:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/drewski59/NAIAS%202006%20Detroit/IMG_0240.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/drewski59/NAIAS%202006%20Detroit/IMG_0241.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/drewski59/NAIAS%202006%20Detroit/IMG_0242.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/drewski59/NAIAS%202006%20Detroit/IMG_0243.jpg

Enjoy!:D

Thanks drewski59 for the info on the LE cloth fabric:clap:, other than the "look", how's the quality of materials in general in the LE (e.g. dashboard with all soft rubber/paddings? (Accord's dashboard has some parts in HARD plastic which I don't like at all)

Regards.


Yes, I sat inside one at the Detroit Auto Show. The seat fabric is very nice and grippy, but the instrumentation is dull(but very legible from all angles), and the center stack is an almost-exact copy of the current Honda Accord. I was disappointed with that. It looks like they carbon-copied the dash, not much creativity.

I just think Toyota could've been much more creative with the interior and exterior! Oh well, they'll still sell a billion of them based on name recognition!

Thanks drewski59 for the info on the LE cloth fabric:clap:, other than the "look", how's the quality of materials in general in the LE (e.g. dashboard with all soft rubber/paddings? (Accord's dashboard has some parts in HARD plastic which I don't like at all)

Regards.

I would say it's a little bit softer than the Accord, but fit/finish is the same.

I really can't wait to see a comparison when the redesigned Accord comes out!! I love the bread-n-butter car wars!:clap:

For the 07 Camry LE 4-cylinder "specifically", can I safely buy the car after 3-6 mths after productions rather than waiting for the second year model (to work out the "potential" first year blues), given the 5-speed auto/2.4L engine and even the body frame will be basically the same/slightly improved as the current 05/06 models?

I'm thinking since the major components (5-speed auto transmission/2.4L engine/body structure-frame/suspentions) will be the the same or slightly tweaked, so the chances of "potential" first year problems will be minimal if any at all?

What's your take on this?

Thanks.

For the 07 Camry LE 4-cylinder "specifically", can I safely buy the car after 3-6 mths after productions rather than waiting for the second year model (to work out the "potential" first year blues), given the 5-speed auto/2.4L engine and even the body frame will be basically the same/slightly improved as the current 05/06 models?

I'm thinking since the major components (5-speed auto transmission/2.4L engine/body structure-frame/suspentions) will be the the same or slightly tweaked, so the chances of "potential" first year problems will be minimal if any at all?

What's your take on this?

Thanks.

No car is immune to the first-year blues, even from the Japanese:disappoin

The electrical system may be new; I'm not sure if it will have problems or not, but just be cautious, that's all...

The engine and frame will probably be fine, but there's always the power steering/brakes/dash electricals that could go wrong...

Drewski, how come ya didn't snap a pic of the LE interior?!!!
I'm dying to see what that looks like.

My 13 yr. old Camry is begging me to let her rest, I need a new car NOW!!!

Besides the new Democratic governor screwed us royally here in Virginia and the new car tax will DOUBLE on March 1, 2006.

On a $30,000 car that's almost another grand. Gas taxes, road use taxes, car registration, inspection, and insurance taxes will rise also. In fact he's raising almost all the taxes he is legally allowed to, over 20 different ones in all.
Totally out of control, there's no reason for it, we already have a balanced budget in this state as far as I know.

But he thinks our schools need more multicultural sensitivity training.
I just want my kid to know how to read and write thank you very much.

And just think, all the poor people voted for him thinking the Democrats were for the little guy!
YA RIGHT!!! Gettin' them right in the pocket is what they do for them.

When the Democrats dragged the oil execs in front of Congress demanding why oil prices were so high I had to laugh. I wanted to know why each state is raping it's residents 50 to 75 cents a gallon on taxes!

Heck, last year when prices were as low as $1.89 gal the REAL price before the taxes would have been about $1.15 a gallon!! Imagine that! You can't buy bottled water for that!

I just want to pay for this car before March 1st. I can afford the extra $1000, but why should I let the state screw me even more? They're gonna get me with higher gas taxes anyhow.

I really hate to bitch about politics but when the reality is that they are gonna steal another $1000 from me, even though I'm paying almost 50% in taxes already, I get very, very pissed.

Especially when I see them funding over a million bucks a year for cow dung research.
What they are studying is how they can tax us when we run our cars on it!

Anyway, I'm dying to see pics of the LE especially the interior.

why is everyone talkin abou first year blues.
The first year of the gen 5 wasnt so bad. And most of the problems it did have found its way into the 03 and some problems into the 04. So unless your oing to wait for the gen 6.5 I dont really see the issue. I would get a first year camry. However I would be cautious of the first year hybrid

why? it's the same system as on the Prius and HiHy.

OK, my big peeve with the Camry has been the lack of available folding mirrors. It's hard to tell from the pictures, but I *THINK* I can see evidence that the 2007 model has folding mirrors. Can anyone answer definitively?

Thanks!

Camry V6 is slower than RAV4 v6? :sosad:
I thought it would be faster than Avalon

thecarconnection "test-drive"

http://www.thecarconnection.com/Vehicle_Reviews/Sedans_and_Coupes/2007_Toyota_Camry.S180.A9947.html

Comfy ride with better handling

Toyota engineers thoroughly revised the steering and suspension, aiming to keep the Camry's ride comfort while improving handling. The steering is now all-electric, with true variable assist, and it's tuned to behave quite differently with each powertrain arrangement. The front suspension uses a subframe, for the strut and control arm arrangement, and in back there are struts and a multi-link setup, with a hollow stabilizer bar.


If you don't have your mind made up as to which Camry you want, you might have to take a few test drives, as there's never been such a range in feel between the base four-cylinder car and the top-line V-6 luxury XLE and sporty SE. There was a very discernable difference suspension-wise between the four-cylinder LE, the V-6 XLE, and the V-6 SE we drove. Though the weight between the engines is quite close, there are differences in the way that the steering and suspension are tuned, we were told.


The standard four-cylinder engine has plenty of power for most situations, and even enough low-end torque for quick takeoffs from a standing start, as long as you don't have a full load. Despite its large displacement for a four-cylinder, it's also one of the most refined fours offered on any vehicle, and if you're puttering along with traffic with the sound system cranked you might have trouble telling the difference from the six.

If you appreciate sports-car power in a family sedan, the V-6 is the ticket (or, possibly, the way to a ticket). It has far more usable power than the engine is replaces, and pushes the Camry into a new category of performance. Toyota claims a 0-60 time of about seven seconds (slightly slower than the RAV4 with the same engine), but it feels considerably faster. The six-speed automatic functions flawlessly, and isn't flustered by the multi-gear, partial throttle downshifts that cause some competitors to temporarily cough up their throttle map (i.e., hesitate then surge). The new V-6 is extremely refined, with an almost indistinguishable idle, and under moderate throttle revs almost silently through the gears like a vehicle with the Lexus badge. Stomp your right foot down, and you'll hear just a little bit of raspy exhaust tone.



In the Hybrid model, Toyota opted to tune the Camry's system more for economy than all-out performance (you can expect more of a performance emphasis from Lexus models), as most Camry buyers tend toward the practical and frugal side of the car-buying spectrum. You can expect decent performance, though; the Camry hybrid isn't particularly sprightly off the line, but it does offer great passing power - better than the four, though not quite as athletic as the six - once the gasoline engine revs up with the motor in full assist. In low-speed stop-and-go driving, Hybrid drivers stand to gain the most, as the Camry can creep along with the electric motor only for a considerable time.



And for those all-important numbers, the Camry's hybrid powertrain offers 0-60 in about 9.4 seconds. Expect the four-cylinder to be around the ten-second mark while the V-6 will slot in at around seven seconds (slightly higher than the new RAV4 with the same engine)


Like we said, you might notice a pretty significant difference in the way Camrys drive with the three powertrains. It's not surprising that we found the basic four-cylinder Camry and the sporty SE V-6 to be the most balanced when flogged along a curvy road, with the XLE to be a little less versed for fast driving. The Camry Hybrid, burdened by about 400 pounds of extra mass, doesn't exactly feel tossable, but it's far from clumsy.

That's odd... I'd think the Camry would be lighter than the Avalon and the RAV... maybe it has somethin to do with that 6sp auto?

I remeber Toyota claimed up to "40% better acceleration" :)

i think its very hot! the best looking camry so far! but it broke my heart when i read that down here in oz it wont be getting the V6, (they are keeping it for the avalon replacement) can only hope they change there mind when the series 2 comes out!

OK, my big peeve with the Camry has been the lack of available folding mirrors. It's hard to tell from the pictures, but I *THINK* I can see evidence that the 2007 model has folding mirrors. Can anyone answer definitively?

Thanks!
The Camry will never have folding mirrors in the US. If you do, thats a japan model.

carzzz: i think you will have to change the whole front bumper and also the hood if you what the SE front.
2004 Camry with 210hp 0-60 was 7.1sec, the SE model with 225hp was 6.8 sec which was faster than the current Accord with 5speed automatic.
Now the current redesigned Accord comes with 6speed manual transmission does 0-60 in under 6sec.
i always thought the Camry SE model supposed to come with more hp? The Camry Hybrid only comes with 192hp? 6 or 4 cylinder? that is kinda weak when comparing to the GS with the hybrid system which execute around 240hp and does 0-60 in 6.5sec.

Well the SE did come with an upgraded engine when they offered both the 1MZ and the 3MZ. NOw tht they ahave gone to one engine they are focusing more on handling and appearance type things.

As for HP in the Cmary and GS hybrids. THey are marketed completely different. The Camry is the quintessential grocery getter/commuter. People taht are buying that car are looking for the best gas mileage available in the best platform to suit their lifestyle. SOme of them may even buy to be eco-friendly. People taht are buying the GS are not your typical Camry buyer. The GS Hybrid is marketed more as a performance enhancement that hapeens to be eco-friendly. They are two totally different beasts. It is almost like saying why such a big difference between the Yaris and the Camry.

Also the Camry Hybrid comes with the 2.4l that runs the Atkisson cycle. It is not the exact same as the base engine used in the other Camry's.

Yep.

The Camry Hybrid runs on the 2.4 litre 2AZ engine but with the Atkinson cycle thus improving efficiency. It puts out 147? hp which is not bad.. only 10hp off the regular engine and then add the HSD system. The GS450h has the 3.5 litre V6 running on the regular Otto cycle to keep power up. The GS450h doesn't come with 240hp, it's 335hp. Besides, 192hp from a 4 cylinder system is weak? That's more than the 3.0 litre V6 from the gen 3 Camry.

Besides, 192hp from a 4 cylinder system is weak? That's more than the 3.0 litre V6 from the gen 3 Camry.
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So true, my 94 1MZ only puts out 186 according to Toyota specs. Granted it is 12 years old now but still.

A few things ... a 6MT Accord does NOT get 0 - 60 under 6 sec. It simply does not have enough power. A 6MT Acura TL (which also comes with a helical LSD), can barely manage 0 - 60 in 5.9s. 5.9s is the fastest I've seen, recorded by C & D. A Toyota Avalon is a tenth of a second slower, since C & d got 6 flat for an Avalon Touring.

The new Rav 4 gets 0 - 60 in 6.3s, per C & D, and there is simply no way that a Camry will be slower than the Rav 4. At worst, the Camry will about as fast as an Avalon, but it should likely break into the high 5s. I've NEVER seen Toyota claim a 0 - 60 of seven seconds, so I don't know where TCC got that info from. Toyota claims 0 - 60 UNDER 7 sec for the Rav 4 V6, so it doesn't make sense. Toyota also lists the Avalon as having a 0 - 60 of 6.6s. Regardless of what Toyota says, they're underestimating and being very conservative about the Camry's performance.

The 2007 Camry SE V6 will eat Accords, keep up with 6MT TLs, and really put a lot of hurt on the competition.

Well, even the non VVT-i versions of the 3.0 litre V6 up to... 2003 had 194hp.

Also, how come they said 0-60 in 9.6 for the hybrid. I thought Toyota claimed around 8 seconds.

According to all news releases by Toyota USA, the 07 Camrys will be for the first time NO longer come with a FULL size spare tire:naughty: as standard. One of the major reasons I'm "locked" into the Camry is that it's the only car in it's class that comes with full size spare tire as standard! I know that the chances is very slim to make use of the the full size spare tire, but for people who drive long distances (Vancouver to California), the full size spare tire is a blessing as I can continue my journey without looking for a tire shop (especially at night/weekend or out of no where on a remote road!), moreover the cost savings to Toyota from full size spare to temp/non full size tire is not that much and I would rather pay the $50/$100 now! (rather than paying a tire shop out of no where high prices just to get one tire alone!)

Toyota, please make the "Full" size tire as one of your major advantage over your competitors! and I'm willing to PAY! (don't care about the weight, not that it matters with extra 10lbs!)

Toyota, please make the "Full" size tire as one of your major advantage over your competitors! and I'm willing to PAY! (don't care about the weight, not that it matters with extra 10lbs!)[/quote]

Not gonna happen full sized spares are almost a thing of the past, if you HAVE to have just buy a tire and throw in your trunk.

[quote=aznstylez]carzzz: i think you will have to change the whole front bumper and also the hood if you what the SE front.

I was told it can be done with a bit of labor. It's just a matter if Toyota will sell you the grill. I want the LE with the mesh grill and will beg for it and pay to put it in.

I sure hope on the LE they leave the useless, in the way, parking break off of the center console and on the floor like on the SE.

I'm still annoyed I can't get cloth seats a 6 cyl in an XLE. They won't change them out for you either I begged and begged last year.

I probobally won't be able to get navigation in the LE.

Why do they FORCE us to get leather in the 6 cyl XLE, thereby keeping me from buying a real luxury car?

OK Toyota it's February, we were promised new pics and specs let's go here!!
The AC died on my 92 Camry yesterday. I'm ready boys, get those cars out to us!

don't they also use the spare tyre when rotating your tyres?

well there ya go, i know down here in oz we are getting a full size spare, still dont complain at least u guys get the V6!

Not gonna happen full sized spares are almost a thing of the past, if you HAVE to have just buy a tire and throw in your trunk.
I will be jumping to joy if I could buy myself a full size spare tire to fit into the trunk of the new 07 Camry, however on most cars you wouldn't be able to fit a regular full size spare tire into the temp/compact tire trunk:sosad:, believe me, I even thought of buying a full size tire and put it in the trunk or even on the back seat!, but this will not go well with both the Canadian/US customes as they would think the extra tire is fishy and that there is something hidden in the trunk:naughty:!

The new Camry was developed with a theme of "creating a new global standard for mid-size sedans". While combining dynamic styling and a comfortable interior, this high-class front-wheel-drive sedan features driving performance that makes it fun to be behind the wheel. It also offers some of the highest levels of safety and environmental performance in its class*2, as well as advanced equipment that provides comfort befitting a high-class vehicle.

The original Camry debuted in 1980 as the rear-wheel-drive Celica Camry. In 1982, it was positioned as a globally strategic vehicle when exports of it as a "high-class front-wheel-drive sedan" began. The Camry's status as a global model has since been thoroughly established, with the model now being produced in eight countries, including Japan, with it currently being available in more than 100 countries and regions and with it having achieved cumulative global sales of more than 10 million units*3.

*1 "Dignis" is a derivative of "dignify"
*2 Compared to vehicles of similar engine displacement
*3 According to TMC calculations
The World's Top Level of Safety and Environmental Performance in its Class

The new Camry adopts an advanced GOA (Global Outstanding Assessment) collision-safety body that has been further evolved by incorporating the concept of omni-directional compatibility. Particularly in the case of a side-impact collision, the multi-load-path body construction allows the entire body to efficiently absorb and dissipate impact energy. With this new structure, not only the side members, but also the roof, front seat frames and center cross member have been reinforced, compared to previous models, thus increasing the side strength to reduce the amount of cabin deformation.
In addition to front seat, dual-stage SRS (Supplemental Restraint System) airbags, the new Camry features a driver's seat SRS knee airbag, front seat SRS side airbags and SRS curtain shield airbags that cover the front and rear seats as standard equipment on all vehicles in the series, pursuing high safety performance even further.
The front seat structures are based on the WIL (Whiplash-injury Lessening) concept and come with stronger seat frames and greater backrest give. They were designed based on analysis using THUMS (Total Human Model for Safety), incorporating a structural design that reduces stress on the neck during low-speed rear impact.
By using Toyota's original comprehensive environmental impact assessment system known as Eco-VAS (Eco-Vehicle Assessment System), environmental targets were set at the development stage and a life cycle assessment was conducted to allow the reduction of CO2 emissions and other atmospheric pollutants throughout all stages of the vehicle's life from production and use to disposal.
In addition to using materials with excellent recyclabiltiy, greater attention has been paid to the environment by, among other means, reducing the use of substances of environmental concern such as lead, mercury, cadmium and others.
While all vehicles in the series achieve emission levels 75% lower than the 2005 standards under the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport's Approval System for Low-emission Vehicles, the four-wheel-drive models meet 2010 standards*1 and the front-wheel-drive G "Dignis Edition" model even boasts fuel efficiency that is five percent greater than those standards (thus qualifying the four-wheel-drive models and the front-wheel-drive G "Dignis Edition" model for incentives under the Japanese government's Green Taxation System).
A review of the materials, processing methods and adhesives used for interior parts resulted in a reduction in the amount of VOCs (volatile organic compounds) used, thereby also reducing the discomforting odors emitted from such compounds.Some of this is for Japan, and NA

The new Camry comes with a "remote starter" option, per MSN's feature article of the Camry.


A remote engine starter, which allows the car to be cooled or heated before a driver climbs inside, also is available for the first time.


http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4023718&src=LP%20Passenger

[quote=aznstylez]
I'm still annoyed I can't get cloth seats a 6 cyl in an XLE. They won't change them out for you either I begged and begged last year.

I probabalby won't be able to get navigation in the LE.

Why do they FORCE us to get leather in the 6 cyl XLE, thereby keeping me from buying a real luxury car?


I could not agree more. I will probably end up with the LE because I do not like leather seats. Toyota could have made a couple more $$$ with me if they offered the cloth seats in the XLE. :disappoin

The new Camry comes with a "remote starter" option, per MSN's feature article of the Camry.



http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4023718&src=LP%20Passenger

Great... a remote starter.. just what we needed.... not!

Jeez, how hard is it to wear more layers (if wearing a jacket is cumbersome)? Besides, an engine block heater is probably cheaper to operate than idling the engine.

I dont think that the remote starter will be that important. The new camry looks really good and it will throw the accord out of the ring as for the sonata, it will crush it. I just hope that the moonroof on the SE V6 is standard. The SE is the best trim because of its looks and aggresive face. Its a car that want its pedal to be punched. Man ! I was imagining driving the SE on the freeway and when I see a mercedes I step on it, leaving the mercedes behind wetting itself!!

[quote=shred]

I could not agree more. I will probably end up with the LE because I do not like leather seats. Toyota could have made a couple more $$$ with me if they offered the cloth seats in the XLE. :disappoin

I would have bought a new Camry in 2001 if i could have gotten the XLE 6 in cloth, and I'd buy a new one this year. So they missed me buying an entire car because of the leather only policy.
Now I have to get a new car and it will be the 6 LE.
You can't get a Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Acura, or Infiniti in cloth.

Dare I say that the 6 cylinder LE Camry will be the fastest, most luxurous car available today that you can still get in cloth seats?

That's why I've waited 14 years to buy it.

By the way Toyota, it's Feb. Please post the new pics and prices please! You promised!

help me out -- why are you guys so against leather? Is it just personal preference that you don't like how it feels or what?

(not flaming -- just asking. I've never owned a leather equipped vehicle, so I have no personal experience to draw from)

^ Don't they have "Preforated Leather" as an option?

help me out -- why are you guys so against leather? Is it just personal preference that you don't like how it feels or what?



Cold in the winter hot in the summer. Sticky when it is hot slippery when it is cold. ON the Toyotas at least, I dont think they are as comfortable. THey dont seem to give as mcuh when you sit in them therefore you feel like you are sitting on top of the seat instead of in the seat, does that make sense.

I have a 02 Sienna XLE with leather and my94 Camry LE is cloth and I would much rather drive in the cloth than the leather.

I will say though that with two kids the seats are alot easier to keep clean. You jsut move the carseats and wipe them down. That is not going to happen in a cloth car.

Leather seats: Cold and slippery in the winter, hot and sticky in the summer. :thumbsdow

cold, maybe.. slippery? not unless yor car has synthetic leather (à la 96 Camrys). The newer ones aren't that slippery and are of better quality.

Hope this is not too much off topic but does anyone know now that Camry got these engine upgrades, will they be carried over to the 2007 Solara? Or will Toyota wait till 2009 for the Solara? I know obviously Solara will not be fitted with a hybrid but I'm talking about the base 4cyl and the V6? Also now that Camry's power is on par with the Avalon will Avalon get a power boost? Just wondering, someone can school me on this or if they have any educated guesses or found anything about this. Thanks!:clap:

^^^ Rumor has it the Solara will be discontiuned after this production run. NOt sure if they are going to continue building it because sales ahve been fairly low. As for engines and that type thing the 4cyl will most likely get the upgrades taht the Camry will because the size of it is not going to change. The 6cyl will probably conitinue to be either the 1MZ or the 3MZ. since the 3.5 is a completely different famiuly of engines it would probably take more to change the engine bay to allow for the 3.5 engine. The 3MZ will conitnue in production because they are using it in the RX330 and the Sienna minvan.

help me out -- why are you guys so against leather? Is it just personal preference that you don't like how it feels or what?

(not flaming -- just asking. I've never owned a leather equipped vehicle, so I have no personal experience to draw from)\

It feels fantastic and luxurious, for the first five minutes.
Then I get hot as hell on it. I won't get into the gory details, but it actually caused a temporary medical condition with me (severe heat rash) when I had to drive my Dad 3 days to Florida in his Caddie.
I think they are less safe because you can slide off of them in a crash.
I even tried the ventilated seats in the Avalon and I still felt hot, or should I say moist on them.
I just don't understand why we can't have the option of not having leather in a real luxury car.
I guess I'll stop bitching about it nothing is going to change it. Besides I think the LE will be a darn nice car. Since my choice for cloth is limited to a 4 cyl XLE or a 6cyl LE I'll choose the extra power and get the 6 cyl LE. After I drove the powerful 6 cyl Accord at 244 HP I got addicted to the power and I simply can't live without it. The 268 HP Camry sounds REALLY good to me. That's a lot of power for a car of this size. I sure I hope I don't get a bunch of tickets!

what about the SE cant you get it with the 6 and cloth. get some of hte luxury items and still get clath.

what about the SE cant you get it with the 6 and cloth. get some of hte luxury items and still get clath.

Originally Posted by Janus @ Pirate4x4 forum
Charlie, may your underwear spontaneously turn carnivorous and consume your genitalia, thus removing you from the genepool.

Yes! I think that what leather seats to do me!!

You're right I could get the 6 SE in cloth, but a couple of things on the SE are not for me. Although a sport suspension is fun to drive, that's more like what the Accord has and after ahwile I want a smoother ride, more comfort that the Camry offers.

I'm not 18 and I don't think feeling every bump isexciting anymore, I want a luxury ride, a tight luxury ride, but still a luxury ride.

I think the outside styling is cool and I really like the mesh grill, But...
Personally I hate 3 spoke steering wheels. I know this is a really quirky thing but I like the quad spoke and like to be able to grab either the right or left spoke while my elbow is on the arm rest. it's very comfortable.
With a three spoke my hand seems to be in a contorted position and at 47 yrs old with a touch of arthritus the 3 spoke wheel just isn't comfortable.

I'm also hoping the LE doesn't have such an "aluminum colored" center console. It looks to metallic to me, like the Nissan's which I consider ugly as hell.

I'm hoping the interior looks more like this Japan pic., not the wood which won't be offered in the LE. I want a darker dash.
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/6229/int18ix.jpg

Reviews are starting to come in. Read Car and Driver's review. Looks like they liked it. SE 4cyl manual. BUT! Too much electronic nannies. They seem very annoyed with it. All that chassis tuning is useless when you can't use it.

Sounds like the IS and the GS all over again.... But I read a few weeks ago there's some sequence u can do to turn it all off (at least with the GS and the IS).

I was by the local Toyota dealership today and the salesman told me point blank that there won't be a single 2007 Camry for sale before April 1, possibly April 15, or possibly even not even before May 1-15.

I found that a bit depressing, but since he kept saying "I can make you a great deal on a 2006 Camry" over and over again I wonder if what he was telling me was just bull.

It's like waiting for Christmas, except they didn't set a date for it yet.

He's probaby just wanting to get rid of his 06s cause he only has a month left.

He's lying. The fact that he's trying to pawn off the '06 proves it.

I was by the local Toyota dealership today and the salesman told me point blank that there won't be a single 2007 Camry for sale before April 1, possibly April 15, or possibly even not even before May 1-15.

I found that a bit depressing, but since he kept saying "I can make you a great deal on a 2006 Camry" over and over again I wonder if what he was telling me was just bull.

It's like waiting for Christmas, except they didn't set a date for it yet.
He's full of shit. Like everyone else said, he's just trying to get you into an 06 to get those off the lot.

Take pride in your new chink cars while you still can, cuz ill be pissin on em soon enough.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAWW!!!

Take pride in your new chink cars while you still can, cuz ill be pissin on em soon enough.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAWW!!!

Very cute.

Say, racistredneck, do your parents know you are playing on the internet ???

Does anybody else think that the new 2007 Camry V6 has sort of trumped the current generation Avalon to some degree? :eek: The fact that the same V6 engine can run on regular gas instead of premium (just read a comparo in Motortrend with the Avalon, Azera & Passat) & the 6 speed automatic vs. the Avalons (Toyota's 'Flagship') 5 speed auto? :clap:

Also, I think (thus far at least) the dashboard of the new Camry looks much better than the upcoming 2007 Lexus ES! :disappoin Just some observations...

I agree. The Camry's dashboard had me saying "ooh" while the ES was.. "ohh". We've seen the ES' dashboard (except for that oar design) on the GS so it's nothing new.

As for trumping the Avalon, doesn't it always? like the 02 Camry did to the 02 Avalon? The 02 Camry had curtain airbags, rear sunshade and most of the Avalon XLS' stuff for $10k less than the $45k asking price

I agree. The Camry's dashboard had me saying "ooh" while the ES was.. "ohh". We've seen the ES' dashboard (except for that oar design) on the GS so it's nothing new.

As for trumping the Avalon, doesn't it always? like the 02 Camry did to the 02 Avalon? The 02 Camry had curtain airbags, rear sunshade and most of the Avalon XLS' stuff for $10k less than the $45k asking price

Good points! I was just curious if there were some peeved Av owners I guess.....I know I would be......larger trunk on the Camry, 6 speed auto, regular gas & like you said, 6 - 8k+ less expensive! You can even get the VSC on the Avalon Touring (at least in Canada) but you can get it all on the SE Camry. :clap: :eek:

Very cute.

Say, racistredneck, do your parents know you are playing on the internet ???
Ha ha ha, very funny. Now, go take your hand, look for your asian-sized (micro)penis, pick up a playboy and do something constructive...don't call a forty year old a kid!

I plan to post on my love/hate relationship with chink cars...and fyi, I drive a 2003 echo hatch.

Ha ha ha, very funny. Now, go take your hand, look for your asian-sized (micro)penis, pick up a playboy and do something constructive...don't call a forty year old a kid!

I plan to post on my love/hate relationship with chink cars...and fyi, I drive a 2003 echo hatch.
Can we please stay on topic? This thread is talking about the 2007 Toyota Camry.

Avalonman....what are your thoughts on the new Camry vs. the Avalon?

^^Well, scince i am a Camry freak, Id have to say the new Camry has way better styling than that of the Avalon. The front may be bloaty like a fish face, but you can still see the bumper. The interior on teh Camry is also way better.p Although, it could use the power rear sunshade. The new camry has a bigger trunk. i think. hid headlamps would have been a nice feature. The Avalon should have gotten a power boost for 2006, if they were going to drop the 280 in the camry. they should have black burl wood as an option in the XLE, and teh SE.http://www.lexus.com/assets/models/gallery/colors/main_assets/interior/gx_dkgry_blk_bem.jpgThe camry looks more refined, and sporty, while the Avalon is not fit for a sports sedan. IMO

I have a question. Any news on the Camry Solara? How many months after the Camry is released will we see photos of the coupe and convertible?

tHE Solara is headed for 2008.

^^Well, scince i am a Camry freak, Id have to say the new Camry has way better styling than that of the Avalon. The front may be bloaty like a fish face, but you can still see the bumper. The interior on teh Camry is also way better.p Although, it could use the power rear sunshade. The new camry has a bigger trunk. i think. hid headlamps would have been a nice feature. The Avalon should have gotten a power boost for 2006, if they were going to drop the 280 in the camry. they should have black burl wood as an option in the XLE, and teh SE.http://www.lexus.com/assets/models/gallery/colors/main_assets/interior/gx_dkgry_blk_bem.jpgThe camry looks more refined, and sporty, while the Avalon is not fit for a sports sedan. IMO

I concur with your findings......I'e been peeved since the new Av has come out & the Touring model isn't offered with TRAC & VSC (but I do like the HID's) even as an option......& I can get all that (less the HID's) on either the new Camry SE & XLE......still debating on which one I want more however. Also premium fuel is needed for the Avalon & regular for the new V6 Camry. The Avalon I'm afraid is now off my list. Which is fine as the Camry is less expensive to boot! :cool:

Which is fine as the Camry is less expensive to boot! :cool:
"^^"I agree

"^^"I agree

Avalon just does not seem like a good value anymore. :disappoin

when did it ever?

when did it ever?

Well usually a so called Flagship vehicle trumps it's lower models & always stays ahead should other models catch up with additional features........the only thing I can see that the Camry does not offer here is HID's. I'm just suprised they haven't upped the ante with more equipment selection. :thumbdown

A year ago the Avalon seemed like a good buy....compared to say the Lexus ES 330......but now even that will change bigtime come the spring.

The previous Avalon had no value. too me.

Can somebody answer that question: Can you install HIDs after you get the car and if so, how much will it cost?

The Avalon is only valued priced until the next Camry comes out haha.

Besides, no HIDs isn't a big deal since HIDs are only on the Touring model and not the XLS model for some strange reason. The same deal with not offering auto dimming mirrors, Homelink or TCS/VSC on the Touring model. Somebody needs to get their head checked. Ditto the Corolla S and no ABS or packaging power windows with power moonroof and cruise. God.

Things the new Camry trumps the Avalon in:
XLE has plasma cluster deionizer
SE has underbody fairings for better aerodynamics
Hybrid has VDIM from Lexus
LE has 8 airbags standard, standard ABS w/EBD, Brake Assist, 4-wheel disc.

Let's not forget the newest version of the Avalon is only a year old and a 2006 version. I'm sure it will have improvements in the fall for the 2007 model.
Do I want one? No way!! I waited for it to come out and didn't like it when it did.
Send me over my 2007 Camry please! WHERE'S THE NEW PICS?!!!

Let's not forget the newest version of the Avalon is only a year old and a 2006 version. I'm sure it will have improvements in the fall for the 2007 model.
Do I want one? No way!! I waited for it to come out and didn't like it when it did.
Send me over my 2007 Camry please! WHERE'S THE NEW PICS?!!!

In my opinion, there is no excuse for not at least offering it as options on the touring model (TRAC & VSC). They want to force the customer to dolly up to the XLS & that's wrong. :eek:

No worries now that we can get it all pretty much in either the Camry SE V6 or XLE V6. Notice how that isn't a problem on a first year issue? lol :clap:

Let's not forget the newest version of the Avalon is only a year old and a 2006 version. I'm sure it will have improvements in the fall for the 2007 model.
Do I want one? No way!! I waited for it to come out and didn't like it when it did.
Send me over my 2007 Camry please! WHERE'S THE NEW PICS?!!!

I concur. Toyota might have something in mind for the Avalon, now that they have made the 3.5L available in both the RAV4 and the Camry.

If they want the Avalon to remain the flagship of the Toyota brand they need to make it attractive. Maybe a more powerful engine (4.3L) ? :eek:

I dunno... I mean look at Nissan. The Altima and Maxima have the same V6, and the Max is only slightly bigger. Maybe Camry is to Avalon as Altima is to Maxima now.

The avalon and the camry have always shared the same engine. Just because it is the flagship as everyone keeps saying doesnt mean it has to have a laorger engine. It is perception. they are selling to people who would not normally purchase a Camry anyway. They are going after older people who would normally be buying Buicks and Mercury's. You could almost say the Avalon is the fourth brand in the Toyota family. Scion gets them in teh door young, Toyota keeps them there, Avalon is the last Toyota before they get the big bucks and move into the Lexus line.

Assuming they want a Lexus. Isn't the Avalon for those who don't want a Lexus as odd as that may sound? I mean, Cdn$45k for a loaded XLS (no Limited version here) is in between a loaded IS250RWD Auto and a midrange IS250RWD Auto. I'm sure the ES will overlap too like it does currently. The ES starts at $39,xxx or roughly the same price as a base Avalon XLS.

Assuming they want a Lexus. Isn't the Avalon for those who don't want a Lexus as odd as that may sound? I mean, Cdn$45k for a loaded XLS (no Limited version here) is in between a loaded IS250RWD Auto and a midrange IS250RWD Auto. I'm sure the ES will overlap too like it does currently. The ES starts at $39,xxx or roughly the same price as a base Avalon XLS.

As of right now.....the Avalon is the better buy between the Av & Lexus ES......that will change starting tomorrow (Feb 8th, 2006) when the new ES makes it's debut & get folks thinkin! :clap:

I always thought the ES was still the better buy with heated/ventilated seats standard, Lexus memory system incl. front pass seat, available power rear sunshade. heh

does anyone know "EXACTLY" how fast the camry will run the 0-60 and quarter mile other than it is assumed to be 1/10th slower than the avalon or 40% increase in acceleration?

thanks.

in addition, is it fact that the es350 will get a 275 hp 2gr-fe, while the camry only gets a 268 2gr-fe? if so, what gave the 7 hp boost?

thanks.

no idea yet

probably premium fuel would account for the 7 extra hp?

does anyone know "EXACTLY" how fast the camry will run the 0-60 and quarter mile other than it is assumed to be 1/10th slower than the avalon or 40% increase in acceleration?

thanks.

in addition, is it fact that the es350 will get a 275 hp 2gr-fe, while the camry only gets a 268 2gr-fe? if so, what gave the 7 hp boost?

thanks.

Probably requires the use of premium fuel in the Lexus.

Does anybody else think that the new 2007 Camry V6 has sort of trumped the current generation Avalon to some degree? :eek: The fact that the same V6 engine can run on regular gas instead of premium (just read a comparo in Motortrend with the Avalon, Azera & Passat) & the 6 speed automatic vs. the Avalons (Toyota's 'Flagship') 5 speed auto? :clap:

Also, I think (thus far at least) the dashboard of the new Camry looks much better than the upcoming 2007 Lexus ES! :disappoin Just some observations...

The Lexus interior will be made of higher quality materials, better leather, richer carpets and real polished wood replacing the Camry's plastic woodgrain trim.

I dont think that the remote starter will be that important. The new camry looks really good and it will throw the accord out of the ring as for the sonata, it will crush it. I just hope that the moonroof on the SE V6 is standard. The SE is the best trim because of its looks and aggresive face. Its a car that want its pedal to be punched. Man ! I was imagining driving the SE on the freeway and when I see a mercedes I step on it, leaving the mercedes behind wetting itself!!

People shop Sonata on price and the price gap will widen further with the new Camry.

The Lexus interior will be made of higher quality materials, better leather, richer carpets and real polished wood replacing the Camry's plastic woodgrain trim.

I could've sworn they said real woodgrain trim for the 07 Camry

I could've sworn they said real woodgrain trim for the 07 Camry

"Woodgrain" is not wood. It is the same was saying it has real plastic.

so real woodgrain trim = wood trim?

why add the word real then?

I'M TRYING TO REMAIN CALM!!!! NEW XLE, LE, AND CE IMAGES ARE COMING IN......MARCH!!!!!!!:deadhorse :cursin: :headbang: :censor: :bash: :drama: :argh: :snore:

so real woodgrain trim = wood trim?

why add the word real then?
Technically it is true. It is "real woodgrain," it is not real wood. It has the appearance of wood. Woodgrain is a style or a pattern. The trim has the "look" of wood.

YOu have to buy the LExus to get real wood. The stuff you see on most any car, unless it is a luxury brand, is plastic made to have the look of wood.

YOu have to buy the LExus to get real wood. The stuff you see on most any car, unless it is a luxury brand, is plastic made to have the look of wood.doesn't the cadillac escalade have some "fake" wood trim in it?

well yeah I know it's plastic and the 02 Camry's brochure said woodgrain trim, so did the 01 Camry. Just wondering what's the difference btwn then and now. So basically you're saying the woodtrim now has the pattern of real wood?

Yes.

I'M TRYING TO REMAIN CALM!!!! NEW XLE, LE, AND CE IMAGES ARE COMING IN......MARCH!!!!!!!

WHAT?!! MARCH?!!
Before they said Feb! What the heck man?!!

I want to be driving the car in March!!!

I'm dissapointed, by the time I'm done with dealer haggling which is akin to root canal, and ordering the exact car I want, it will be April.

As Chris Farley says;

SWEET MOTHER OF GOD, WHAT IS THE HOLDUP!!!!!

Click Here to listen to my frustration!!! (http://www.bobbyshred.com/images/whathold.mp3)

It's not much, but I got a copy of the brochures Toyota had at NAIAS from a seller on eBay today, and there's a pic of the CE and LE from the side. Also, it lists the colors available. I've scanned the relevant parts below:

CE/LE side shot:
http://oregonstate.edu/~tongt/camry/07camrycele.jpg

CE/LE/SE/XLE colors (http://oregonstate.edu/~tongt/camry/07camrycolors.jpg)
Hybrid colors (http://oregonstate.edu/~tongt/camry/07camryhybridcolors.jpg)

I linked those last two since they're big vertical scans. The little '1' next to Barcelona Red Metallic, Aloe Green Metallic, and Sky Blue Pearl mean not available on CE, and the '2' next to Desert Sand Mica mean not available on SE. No more Lunar Mist Metallic! :(

Edit: Titanium Metallic looks really close to the Lunar Mist Metallic they have for the Solara, but brochures don't always get the color right.

Funny. We've had Titanium Metallic for our Camry since 2000. I always thought Titanium Metallic and Lunar Mist Metallic were the same, just different names for different countries haha. Guess not.

funny how Sky Blue isn't available on the hybrid. I'd thought it'll match their HSD ads!

Funny. We've had Titanium Metallic for our Camry since 2000. I always thought Titanium Metallic and Lunar Mist Metallic were the same, just different names for different countries haha. Guess not.

funny how Sky Blue isn't available on the hybrid. I'd thought it'll match their HSD ads!
You actually may have been right. Now that I look at it, the Solara is the only model left that has Lunar Mist Metallic, and Titanium Metallic is pretty widespread now. I really can't say for sure from the brochure that they're exactly the same, since even their Titanium Metallic isn't 100% consistent between models, but it's probably within the range of error. As I'm sure we all know, naming is part of marketing. I guess Titanium sounds a lot more cutting-edge than a mystical Lunar Mist. Viva Titanium Metallic!

I was by the local Toyota dealership today and the salesman told me point blank that there won't be a single 2007 Camry for sale before April 1, possibly April 15, or possibly even not even before May 1-15.

I found that a bit depressing, but since he kept saying "I can make you a great deal on a 2006 Camry" over and over again I wonder if what he was telling me was just bull.

It's like waiting for Christmas, except they didn't set a date for it yet.

Dude!

Your salesman might have been right, after all. If we can't get pictures before March, I think we won't see the car show up before April or May.:thumbsdow :mad:


ARRRGHH !!!!

You actually may have been right. Now that I look at it, the Solara is the only model left that has Lunar Mist Metallic, and Titanium Metallic is pretty widespread now. I really can't say for sure from the brochure that they're exactly the same, since even their Titanium Metallic isn't 100% consistent between models, but it's probably within the range of error. As I'm sure we all know, naming is part of marketing. I guess Titanium sounds a lot more cutting-edge than a mystical Lunar Mist. Viva Titanium Metallic!

heh.. apparently it does. Honda's "Titanium Metallic" is goldish/beige while Toyota's "Titanium Metallic" is silver!

Dude!

Your salesman might have been right, after all. If we can't get pictures before March, I think we won't see the car show up before April or May.:thumbsdow :mad:


ARRRGHH !!!!

I was thinking the same thing. They tell me I can't order until they know more as far as prices and whatnot. besides I'd actually like to drive the car before I commit.
I suppose there's a remote chance I could be unhappy with the way it drives, or feels, or with the comfort and not want one, but I don't anticipate that happening.
But then again there are so many products today that are almost perfect, but have one major flaw, and then I can't buy it. It seems to get that way for me as I get older.

Heck, I'm still using my RIGHT HANDED Microsoft scroll mouse because none of the newer ones feel right to me. They all went politically correct into the ambidextorous world. Can't they make right AND left handed ones? No, they force a universal model on us so no one is really happy!

Anyway . . . I can't wait until the day where we are not discussing colors but how well it drives, and how we love all the features because some of us will have the car.

Right now we're all just whistling and waiting and fighting over the smallest scrap of information we can find out.

I don't know about you guys, but I really need a new car and the wait is killing me:)

Yep,

Like you said, we are fighting over scraps of information. The only short term fix for me is the Chicago auto show, which starts tomorrow. Since I live in the Chicago area I will be there first thing tomorrow.

I will try to extract some information from the reps at the show and post it back here ASAP. Wish me luck....:naughty:

So this is an entirely new platform? Seems kinda strange for Toyota. The previos platform was over 10 years old when it was replaced.

Yep,

Like you said, we are fighting over scraps of information. The only short term fix for me is the Chicago auto show, which starts tomorrow. Since I live in the Chicago area I will be there first thing tomorrow.

I will try to extract some information from the reps at the show and post it back here ASAP. Wish me luck....:naughty:

Will they allow you to take any pics? I'm dying to see the inside of the LE if they have one.

My questions would be is the stupid parking brake eliminated from the center console as it is on the Hybrid and the SE?
What's the dash look like, color scheme and all?

I'd have a camera under my coat!!

Good Luck!

Will they allow you to take any pics? I'm dying to see the inside of the LE if they have one.

My questions would be is the stupid parking brake eliminated from the center console as it is on the Hybrid and the SE?
What's the dash look like, color scheme and all?

I'd have a camera under my coat!!

Good Luck!
Specs say that hand brake is on the stickshift models, while foot brake is on the automatics.

I hate that. the foot brake is fine and all, just is not quite right. My Previa, and both of my Camrys have hand brakes and I much perfer that to the foot brake on our Tundra, Solora and Sienna. Bah.

My hand brake gets used once a year. When the states inspects it every year!!
Other than that IT IS ALWAYS IN THE FRIGGIN' WAY.
Even if I lived on a steep hill and had to use it I'd prefer it on the floor.


Specs say that hand brake is on the stickshift models, while foot brake is on the automatics.

You're right, I just found that on the spec sheet.
Excellent. The only other thing I wonder about, as far as comfort is that door handle being in the way.
Of course the seats on the last few years Camry have sucked compared to my 92, and I have heard that the new ones are not much better. Just have to wait and see.

:clap:

Went to the Chicago Auto Show today. It was great.


Toyota really put the Camry in evidence. It was located right near the main entrance. You just couldn't miss it. They had one red SE on an elevated rotating display, and four more on the main floor.


They allowed the public to take pictures, touch, and get in any of the four floor models. There was one CE in charcoal gray (not sure of the eaxct name of that color), one black SE, one blue LE and one silver XLE (Lunar Mist is what the guy said).


The CE, SE and LE had the 4 cylinder. The XLE had the V6 :D .


I sat in the driver seat, the passenger seat and the back seat of the SE, the LE and the XLE. Since I am planning to buy a Camry in the coming months I spent quite a bit of time there.


All trims looked good in my opinion. I was impressed with the overall design and the quality. Unfortunately nobody could tell me the list price or give me a firm date relative to the delivery. :sosad:


I liked the interior design a lot. The only disappointment was the "faux wood" finish in the XLE. It looked cheesy and seemed to be more of an afterthought than a real part of the design. I also did not care much for the reclining back seats (only in the XLE I was told).


OK. now how do I insert pictures here ??...

Host the pictures somewhere like photobucket or flickr, or you can email them to me and I'll host them.

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OK. now how do I insert pictures here ??...

You can put images here
http://img399.imageshack.us/

Upload, then go to the exact picture page by using Netscape and rightclick and say view image in it's own window and then plug that url into the image browser button when you do a post here.
You can also email to me and I'll post them for you.

The grey is Magnetic Grey.