3vzfe or 1mzfe in the mr2??

Hey guys, I’m trying to decide on what engine I would want to swap in my n/a 91 Toyota mr2 (which is currently equipped with a 5s-fe). Sure there is always the fun turbo 3sgte, but the low end torqueyness of a v6 just appeals to me as well as the uniqueness of it (in an mr2). I’m not looking for a monster since the mr2 is pretty much my daily driver in spring/summer/fall. I would eventually love to get around 230-250rwhp, but I’ll be staying n/a for a while after the swap is done....

Any input on any of these engines would be greatly appreciated.

Which of these two engines would be best for my power goal?
Which would cost more to get to my power goal?
How well do these engines accept boost? Or can I reach my goal in n/a form?
What are common problems for each of these engines?
What are the pros/cons to these engines (I founds some in the archives, but are there any other pros/cons)?


from archive (http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/archive/topic/16338-1.html)


3vzfe
-Pros-
Strong cylinders (600hp+)
Strong crank (600hp+)
Strong rods (400hp+)
-Cons-
Weak pistons
Heavy block
Bad head design
Stock injectors are 200cc

1mzfe
-Pros-
Strong crank (600hp+)
Strong sleeves (450hp+)
Bigger injectors stock 270cc
Almost 100lbs lighter then the 3vzfe
Head good for major flow and porting
-Cons-
Weak rods
Weak pistons
Some models have a return-less fuel system
Stock head bolts suck

My pros/cons
3vz-fe
-Pros-
Should be cheaper in price? Maybe I’m wrong
Easier wiring into the mr2
Iron block… should handle a little bit of boost

-Cons-
Difficult to find manual ecu/engine/wiring harness
No bolt on boost applications available
Less information for this swap
Older engine, most used engines will have high miles
Not sure what tranny’s will work with the engine (same as 1mz)
Head gasket problems? (3vz-e's are more prone than the 3vz-fe's)

1mz-fe
-Pros-
Newer engine, easier to find with low miles
TRD S/C available
MR2 turbo transmission will bolt right on

-Cons-
Difficult to find manual ecu/engine/wiring harness
More expensive
More wiring & tricking of the obd2 system
Obd2 evap system


TIA

i say 1mz-fze

you can get stronger rods from the 22r,
there are pistons somewhere.
alumium block makes it lighter than the 3vz
ummm notice i put a z in the engine code?
you can trick the ecu in to not reading the auto tranny and be fine ekam did
the mr2 tranny bolts to the 3vz as well tho,
the 3vz head gasket problem was mainly with the 3vz-e not the 3vz-fe
the 3vz-fe was only produced for 3 years
the the returnless system problem can be fixed by changing the rails to the 94-96 system or using a aftermarket FPR

personly i think it's a awsome job but if you want like 600+ i say the 3s-gte

Here is a good forum for you
http://www.mr2board.com/forums/mk-2-v6/

All motor 3vz-fe :cool:

all motor 3vz is my vote as well, or at least it wouldve if you didnt have the 3sgte there. the 3s gte is quicker in stock form and has many more off the shelf parts for it.

i say 1mz-fze

you can get stronger rods from the 22r,
there are pistons somewhere.
alumium block makes it lighter than the 3vz
ummm notice i put a z in the engine code?
you can trick the ecu in to not reading the auto tranny and be fine ekam did
the mr2 tranny bolts to the 3vz as well tho,
the 3vz head gasket problem was mainly with the 3vz-e not the 3vz-fe
the 3vz-fe was only produced for 3 years
the the returnless system problem can be fixed by changing the rails to the 94-96 system or using a aftermarket FPR

personly i think it's a awsome job but if you want like 600+ i say the 3s-gte

thanks for the reply & info... as stated, I definitely don’t need a monster, just a nicely powered mr2 :). By mentioning the pistons are you implying that I have to build the motor for 230-250rwhp? I’ve also read that you can trick the ecu... I just haven't across on how to do that. Glad to hear that the turbo tranny will fit the block, although I read you have to tap in your own mounting holes for the tranny bolts :confused:. It’s also great to hear that the 3vzfe is not the one with the head gasket issues. That’s one less thing for me to worry about as far as the 3vzfe.

Here is a good forum for you
http://www.mr2board.com/forums/mk-2-v6/

I’m a current member there & mr2oc.com, I posted here because there is a greater amount of you guys & hoped to get a bit of a bigger response here.


All motor 3vz-fe :cool:

Thanks for the reply, but a little more info onto your response would be greatly appreciated. How much power can an all motor 3vzfe offer me? And how much would that cost compare to that of a boosted 3vzfe?

all motor 3vz is my vote as well, or at least it wouldve if you didnt have the 3sgte there. the 3s gte is quicker in stock form and has many more off the shelf parts for it.

Sure I could take the easy way out with the 3sgte, and call it a day. But the v6 just seems to be calling my name. I’m not really looking to race my car… maybe go to the strip once or twice after the swap, but nothing more. Its my daily car as stated before… I think the v6 will suit me just fine. It’ll be nice to give it a little gas and have the car start going without having to take the engine all the way to redline (well its more like 5krpm’s) like I have to with my 5s.



What would it take to get the 3vzfe/1mzfe to atleast 230rwhp?
Are there not that many people that have hit these power marks?

if you looking to boost your engine then i vote for the 3s since it's easier to get aftermarket parts for it plus i'm sure later on you are going to up the boost on it.

if you go with either of the v6 engines here is a helpful website http://www.car-part.com/. good luck

if you looking to boost your engine then i vote for the 3s since it's easier to get aftermarket parts for it plus i'm sure later on you are going to up the boost on it.

if you go with either of the v6 engines here is a helpful website http://www.car-part.com/. good luck

yes... the boost bug. i've never owned a turbo car before, but i've heard of this sickness :disappoin. you bring up a good point, but i guess i just got my mind set on the v6 swap right now (just not sure which yet...). although the 3s will be my last resort if the v6 plan falls through. my original plan was to go with the 1mz with the trd s/c, but then toysrme (on the mr2 board) said that the 1mz is crap, and that one would be better off witht he 3vz (or atleast that's the way i read it). then i also read that a 1mz with the trd s/c will only last a year. that's when i started looking into the 3vz swap.. but now i'm stumped.

thanks for the website btw, i'll definately be using that site when it comes time to gather the parts for the swap.

What would it take to get the 3vzfe/1mzfe to atleast 230rwhp?
Are there not that many people that have hit these power marks?

well i guess we be working off a 97 1mz so 194 stock, trd super charger gives it to 276hp crank .... so about that.

3vz requres more work, so 94 3vz 189 (thats what i found) so port polish the heads, custom cams and higher cr and you should be closer to that point. or turbo.

oh btw I read somewhere that trd has discontinuned the gen4 supercharger....maybe some one else can shed light on this, but if it is true then your used s/c might not last as long as you expect.

not positive about this

oh btw I read somewhere that trd has discontinuned the gen4 supercharger....maybe some one else can shed light on this, but if it is true then your used s/c might not last as long as you expect.

not positive about this
you are correct! there are still some new ones sitting in boxes in some shops around the states so he doesnt have to go used some places still might have them in stock.

I don't think brandon has ever disliked the MZ's. What he has never been able to stand was Toyota's 3.0L TRD charger, and how Toyota used it.



1992-1993 3vz-fe's have 185bhp @ 5200rpm, 195lb-ft @ 4600rpm.

1994+ 3vz-fe's have 200bhp @ 5200rpm, 204lb-ft @ 4600rpm



You can turn a 92-93 3vz-fe into a 200bhp one nearly for free.

The 3vz-fe is also a lot stronger, and easier to work with engine.



The 1mz-fe was sold for 7 years. The 3vz-fe was sold for 5 1/2 in other parts of the world. Most 3vz-fe's are also going to be low mileage JDM imports in better condition than older 1mz-fe's.

Either a built 3SGTE or a TRD S/Ced 1MZ.

Either a built 3SGTE or a TRD S/Ced 1MZ.
A 1mz with a TRD supercharger, 6-7lb pulley, good headers/exhaust should get you really close to your goal. A buddy of mine put down 220whp with all those parts, some tuning and ported heads. With a manual tranny, you can put down 230whp without opening a 1mz.

An auto ECU can be fooled by putting resistors in place of the auto tranny shift solenoids.

The 3vz and 1mz both completely bolt up to the turbo (or even your stock) tranny. No worries there other than possibly a custom clutch disk...

I would go with the lighter 1mz. Your power goals aren't to much for the stock motor...

-Charlie

You may say the 3SGTE has more horsepower than the 1MZFE, well DUH! it has a turbo already! the Lexus SC300 1MZFE has 210hp N/A!!!! that thing will beat down ANY 3SGTE once you turbo it like the 3SGTE.... and its lighter, which is also a plus....

Im looking to do the swap myself into my celica... i take the mounts from the camry 1MZ, and bolt them right up to my car, and then the trans from the avalon, and the transaxl from the turbo MR2, the clutch from a 3SGTE, and im set...... There are a few write ups on it, but never as much info as i need.....

So i say go with the 1MZ, its wayyyy better than the 3S, the 3VZ, or the 5S like i have....

^ well, first off, the sc200 doesn't have a 1mz...

and the engine mounts don't just bolt up to the celica....but it shouldn't be too too hard either...


but hte main thing is that you're replying to a thread from 2006 :hammer: lol

You may say the 3SGTE has more horsepower than the 1MZFE, well DUH! it has a turbo already! the Lexus SC300 1MZFE has 210hp N/A!!!! that thing will beat down ANY 3SGTE once you turbo it like the 3SGTE.... and its lighter, which is also a plus....

Im looking to do the swap myself into my celica... i take the mounts from the camry 1MZ, and bolt them right up to my car, and then the trans from the avalon, and the transaxl from the turbo MR2, the clutch from a 3SGTE, and im set...... There are a few write ups on it, but never as much info as i need.....

So i say go with the 1MZ, its wayyyy better than the 3S, the 3VZ, or the 5S like i have....



:hammer:

^ well, first off, the sc200 doesn't have a 1mz...

and the engine mounts don't just bolt up to the celica....but it shouldn't be too too hard either...


but hte main thing is that you're replying to a thread from 2006 :hammer: lol

Well im researching for my project, and I found this...

and what your saying contradicts another member on here...

07-01-2003, 07:55 AM
#6 (http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showpost.php?p=162905&postcount=6)
Deep (http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/member.php?u=614)
^

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I've been watching this guy for over a year now, back when he was still collecting parts. I contemplated the same, I mean the mounts for the V6 Camry will bolt right up to the Celi and the 1MZ or 3VZ motor, as will the MR2 Turbo or V6 Camry/Solara tranny. The hardest part would be wiring, but finding a complete harness and ecu isn't all that hard.

But much respect to this man.
__________________





See... i copied it and printed it out, from this exact site....

^ First thing, the SC 300 has a 2JZ-GE

Second, I doubt it will "bolt right up" in a Celica, some forms of minor modifications probably needed. If you haven't seen the 3VZ/1MZ compared to the 5S in a Camry, then go check it out. The V6 is a much bigger engine physical size wise. The Celica was only made for 5S or 3S 4cyl engines, so I doubt the V6's can be put in without some minor cutting. The mounts might match, the engine bay might not. And the driveshafts too.

Someone shit on the coats!

Look for posts over on Celicatech by Adrian Avgerinos, and I can say for certain you will have a fair amount of engine mount work to do.

Good luck!

^ :werd:

deep was a very knowledgeable guy, but 6 years ago, there were also very few people who knew much about any of these cars and engines and what had to be done, etc to get them donw

according to lexus, my es 300 has 195 lbft torque at 4500 RPM, and 185 HP @ 5200 RPM [definition of HP at the time anyway, it may be different now for all we know]. HP figure as only some of you know is just to help a savy engine person know the shape of the torque at its limits.

are you saying my engine can simply be adjusted in timing, or spark plugs, or something else, to bump the peak power to 200 HP, at a similar RPM, or to a different RPM ? and can you clarify what can be done "nearly for free" to make it 200 HP ?

Thanks,
Brian

^ PM sent

Look for posts over on Celicatech by Adrian Avgerinos, and I can say for certain you will have a fair amount of engine mount work to do.

Good luck!

I came from CTech..... Lol, they kinda helped, but most of their answers were "search it" and "newb, go google it."..... I want my celica to be a sleeper, but i dont want that crappy 3SGTE, its less reliable that the 1MZFE, ive already discussed it EXTENSIVELY with them, and we all agreed the 1MZFE is more reliable than the 3SGTE......

What motors will fit, that will be FAST with little work (as in bolt ons) i know about the 5SFE, 5SFTE, 3SGE, 7AGE, 3SGTE, 1MZFE, & 3VZFE, I was thinking about an EJ20T or a EJ20DET (for those who arent engin savvy, those are STi motors from Subaru) to make an ultimate sleeper...

I want no one to expect it, to look at my car and laugh, and then get smoked like no other!

I would say stick with the V6's. The V6's come stock with close the HP rating of the 2nd gen 3S-GTE that come with MR-2's. There are several ways to bump the hp up a little bit easily, but getting over that will require a turbo. The V6's also have a way better power band.

Forget about the EJ, I say stick with Toyota.

the V6 has a wider range of good torque
it has also more torque in low rpm, but less torque at very high RPM compared to the turbo - Four

You can turn a 92-93 3vz-fe into a 200bhp one nearly for free.



I want to know how to do this for free! :D

just read and perform toysrme's cheap mods. he performed them to his 3vz and others had good results, hell some of the stuff worked well on the 1mz too.

http://www.toyotatuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=158

do some tuning and i bet you could squeez that much out.

I would say stick with the V6's. The V6's come stock with close the HP rating of the 2nd gen 3S-GTE that come with MR-2's. There are several ways to bump the hp up a little bit easily, but getting over that will require a turbo. The V6's also have a way better power band.

Forget about the EJ, I say stick with Toyota.


the EJ is toyota..... Toyota owns Subaru, and the EJ20DET is out of an STi, and those things haul ass!!!!!!!!! but i talked to Jeff (Schmleff from CTech) and he told me just go for the 3SGTE and put a bigger turbo on it and some bolt ons....

the word me and xtremeskier97 (http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/member.php?u=96762) used is FREE
obviously, it can't be done, or someone would say how to do it on a site like this.

thanks,
brian

the EJ is toyota..... Toyota owns Subaru, and the EJ20DET is out of an STi, and those things haul ass!!!!!!!!! but i talked to Jeff (Schmleff from CTech) and he told me just go for the 3SGTE and put a bigger turbo on it and some bolt ons....

Dude just stop. Stop all brain activity NOW and listen.


1. Toyota owns shares in Subaru, not Subaru itself.
2. You obviously have not attempted to learn anything.

Tell me how in the hell this:
http://plaza.across.or.jp/~inter96/pic/rsen.JPG

Is going to mount to this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/luckynumber5/99solarae153.jpg

and go in here:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/luckynumber5/421e_1.jpg


Do us all a favor, go outside and open your Celica's hood. Then think.. Then think some more... Now, what engines will fit in there?

I came from CTech..... Lol, they kinda helped, but most of their answers were "search it" and "newb, go google it."..... I want my celica to be a sleeper, but i dont want that crappy 3SGTE, its less reliable that the 1MZFE, ive already discussed it EXTENSIVELY with them, and we all agreed the 1MZFE is more reliable than the 3SGTE......

What motors will fit, that will be FAST with little work (as in bolt ons) i know about the 5SFE, 5SFTE, 3SGE, 7AGE, 3SGTE, 1MZFE, & 3VZFE, I was thinking about an EJ20T or a EJ20DET (for those who arent engin savvy, those are STi motors from Subaru) to make an ultimate sleeper...

I want no one to expect it, to look at my car and laugh, and then get smoked like no other!

(the USDM STI comes with the EJ25)


The 3vz-fe will fit, but it weighs 450+ pounds. The 1mz will fit, and weighs a LOT less. Both require a lot of mount work, they are not drop in swaps. Your tach will no longer work because it is set up for a 4 cylinder. You will need to get ahold of a good transmission because the s54 has short gears and may break after hard driving.

It is going to be hell for you to turbo a v6 if you cannot even work out a complete swap yet, so that is out of the question. You will be stuck with around 200 horsepower for a while. You might run a low 15 second 1/4 mile with a v6 swap. No matter what engine you swap in, it is still FWD and will spin.

I don't know why you consider the 1mz more reliable than the 3s-gte, they are both excellent Toyota engines that take well to mods.

Wiring on any swap will be a challenge, contact Dr. Tweak for sure.



I am not being a dick to you yet, but it's getting close :lol: go spend some time under your hood and look at how the engine sits in there. Then imagine how the v6 will sit in there.

You have LOTS of work to do.

the word me and xtremeskier97 (http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/member.php?u=96762) used is FREE
obviously, it can't be done, or someone would say how to do it on a site like this.

thanks,
brian


Obviously it can't be done without spending something. There is no power lurking under the hood like a GM that just needs a chip or ECU flash. You want power, it's gonna cost ya.

Dude just stop. Stop all brain activity NOW and listen.


1. Toyota owns shares in Subaru, not Subaru itself.
2. You obviously have not attempted to learn anything.

Tell me how in the hell this:
http://plaza.across.or.jp/~inter96/pic/rsen.JPG

Is going to mount to this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/luckynumber5/99solarae153.jpg

and go in here:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/luckynumber5/421e_1.jpg


Do us all a favor, go outside and open your Celica's hood. Then think.. Then think some more... Now, what engines will fit in there?



(the USDM STI comes with the EJ25)


The 3vz-fe will fit, but it weighs 450+ pounds. The 1mz will fit, and weighs a LOT less. Both require a lot of mount work, they are not drop in swaps. Your tach will no longer work because it is set up for a 4 cylinder. You will need to get ahold of a good transmission because the s54 has short gears and may break after hard driving.

It is going to be hell for you to turbo a v6 if you cannot even work out a complete swap yet, so that is out of the question. You will be stuck with around 200 horsepower for a while. You might run a low 15 second 1/4 mile with a v6 swap. No matter what engine you swap in, it is still FWD and will spin.

I don't know why you consider the 1mz more reliable than the 3s-gte, they are both excellent Toyota engines that take well to mods.

Wiring on any swap will be a challenge, contact Dr. Tweak for sure.



I am not being a dick to you yet, but it's getting close :lol: go spend some time under your hood and look at how the engine sits in there. Then imagine how the v6 will sit in there.

You have LOTS of work to do.

talk to the people on CTech, they all agree the 3SGTE's have more problems that the 1MZFE swaps do, and its an EJ20, or the EJ20DET, trust me, i know my motors...

The v6 tucks nicely in there, and if you dont think it fits, well YOU go spend some time in there with a tape measurer and come back when you know the truth

O! and BTW, Dr.Tweak was also in our conversation about the swaps, he frequents on CTech...

Not to mention you can fit an LS1 into a celica too, but i bet you didnt know that...

or a V8 into an MR2

I do indeed know you can, but do you know how hard it is?

The MR2's engine bay is a lot bigger than most FWD Toyota engine bays. Since you know about the v8 swaps I assume you have seen just how much the few people who have a running v8 swap have had to cut the frame? The rear end of v8 mr2s is pretty much completely fabricated.

I am an avid reader over on C tech and MR2OC, the 3s-gte does not just crap all over itself randomly. You run too much boost you will pop a head gasket ect.. The only reason I would call the 1mz more reliable is because it did not come factory with forced induction.

BTW USDM impreza WRX (2001-2006) = EJ20 (EJ series boxer 4 2.0 liter)
USDM Impreza WRX STI (2004-2006) = EJ25 (EJ series boxer 4 2.5 liter)

The JDM WRX and STI both came with variations of the EJ20, all are 2 liter however. So if you are thinking about the JDM engines you are correct.

There is only 1 active poster with a 1mz swap I have seen, and thats Adrian, there is also a guy with a 3mz-fe swap I forgot about but thats it :lol: . Where are all these other swaps people agree are so much more reliable than a 3s-gte swap? I see plenty of those running around with no problems......

What lucknumber5 said. If you keep insisting, you are eventually just gonna get ripped a new one by one of the members here.

The EJ isn't going to fit without some intense mods, and you are stupid to think the the EJ is now a Toyota just because Toyota owns shares in Fuji. They made EJ's before Toyota bought into the company. If you use a EJ, you can forget about using a Toyota tranny, it won't fit together. Also EJ's are built and mounted to be RWD/AWD engines, they are mounted longitudinally, FWD cars require transverse setups.

The V6 takes up most of the space in a Camry, what chances do you think that it will just drop in a Celica that is smaller? Yes Toyota engines share similar mounts within a generation, but they aren't as plug and play as you think, these aren't USB printers and thumbdrives.

edit2: Also after you get the engine and tranny figured out, you need to figure out the shafts and hubs and brakes and stuff since nothing is gonna fit.

I do indeed know you can, but do you know how hard it is?

The MR2's engine bay is a lot bigger than most FWD Toyota engine bays. Since you know about the v8 swaps I assume you have seen just how much the few people who have a running v8 swap have had to cut the frame? The rear end of v8 mr2s is pretty much completely fabricated.

I am an avid reader over on C tech and MR2OC, the 3s-gte does not just crap all over itself randomly. You run too much boost you will pop a head gasket ect.. The only reason I would call the 1mz more reliable is because it did not come factory with forced induction.

BTW USDM impreza WRX (2001-2006) = EJ20 (EJ series boxer 4 2.0 liter)
USDM Impreza WRX STI (2004-2006) = EJ25 (EJ series boxer 4 2.5 liter)

The JDM WRX and STI both came with variations of the EJ20, all are 2 liter however. So if you are thinking about the JDM engines you are correct.

There is only 1 active poster with a 1mz swap I have seen, and thats Adrian, there is also a guy with a 3mz-fe swap I forgot about but thats it :lol: . Where are all these other swaps people agree are so much more reliable than a 3s-gte swap? I see plenty of those running around with no problems......


Only the 5-door STi's had the EJ25, and the 4-doors had the EJ20 and EJ20DET, but thanks for trying... Just look at Travis Pastrana's STi, it has the EJ20, and the PERRIN Motorsports STi 5-door has the EJ25


The 1mzfe requires less maintenance than the 3sgte, and we had discussed that, and then figured, for someone who cant take care of a motor well, to go for the 1mzfe instead of the 3sgte, and the 3s is weak if it only comes with 230 already with a turbo...

this thread is 2 fast, 2 furious, if you ask me

Only the 5-door STi's had the EJ25, and the 4-doors had the EJ20 and EJ20DET, but thanks for trying... Just look at Travis Pastrana's STi, it has the EJ20, and the PERRIN Motorsports STi 5-door has the EJ25


The 1mzfe requires less maintenance than the 3sgte, and we had discussed that, and then figured, for someone who cant take care of a motor well, to go for the 1mzfe instead of the 3sgte, and the 3s is weak if it only comes with 230 already with a turbo...


:lol:


No thank you for playing, you are the weakest link, goodbye!


taken from wikipedia (other reliable sources include NASIOC and SCOOBYMODS)

EJ205

This engine series is used for non-Japanese marketed WRX models in the world market as of 1999. The Japanese WRX models use the EJ207 from 1999~2001, except the 5-door wagon which also uses the EJ205. After 2001, all WRXs use the EJ205. to identify an EJ205:

* Coil on plug
* idle air integrated into throttle body

Usage: Impreza WRX

* 99~01 (JDM Wagon Body only)
* 01~current (all JDM)
* 02~05 (USDM)
* 99~current (all other markets)

EJ257

DOHC 16 valve turbo

Usage:

* US Market Impreza WRX STi MY04~present (300 hp)

* Asian, European Market Impreza WRX STi 05~present (280 hp, 40KGh/m)


Stop reassuring yourself you are right, and go learn how to build a damn car. You say you want an ultimate sleeper and know this and that about a v6 swap, yet you think a Subaru boxer 4 will fit into your Celica's engine bay? Go buy a real car or learn how to build one, till then stfu and go read a book.

and since the engine goes back to hitler and the nazi party of germany, putting it into a japanese car is probably enough to make a ww2 veteran cry LOL

Looked over on Celicatach... Yeah hes full of shit and he is banned over there for the same stupid things he is doing over here.

Only the 5-door STi's had the EJ25, and the 4-doors had the EJ20 and EJ20DET, but thanks for trying... Just look at Travis Pastrana's STi, it has the EJ20, and the PERRIN Motorsports STi 5-door has the EJ25


The 1mzfe requires less maintenance than the 3sgte, and we had discussed that, and then figured, for someone who cant take care of a motor well, to go for the 1mzfe instead of the 3sgte, and the 3s is weak if it only comes with 230 already with a turbo...

Haha some of us from c-tech :eek: are members here too! lol search wif teh google newb!! Guess TN isn't so bad after all huh?

Ok, lets get back on topic and chime in on what engine this guy should swap. I say it depends how much work you wanna do. If you go with a jdm 3sgte, go with one from a gen 3 mr2 and u should be able to break 300 whp before needing to go with a bigger turbo or really modifying internals. For a v6 I'm biased towards the 1mz since its lighter weight and actually woudl be lighter than a 3s. However one you add a supercharger not sure if it'd still be lighter, but you still get that nice broader powerband from more displacement. If you add a blower and just run low boost u could get mid-high 200 whp and very nice torque. If you're looking to really make numbers, then either engine you're gonna have to open up and add beefed up internals for insurance and go with a a larger turbo and of course good engine management. Also, why havent you considered a 5vz? That's what I would do if was gonna do any kind of v6 swap in an mr2. 5vz with a blower kit from a tacoma. :)

keep it on topic children...I have my eye on this thread....:nono:

Simply put, all STi's in NA have EJ25.
WRX's on the GD chassis have EJ20.

The new Impreza's with the hatch styles or not, all have EJ25. JDM is still running on EJ20.
Either ways, it won't fit in the Celica without intense modifications. END OF THE STORY!


If you must argue with us, then I beg you to please NOT post here anymore. I do not like it when idiots decide to flood my home board with worthless comments when the car in question doesn't even belong in this board. If you must, please go to the Celica boards, this is CAMRY, read the section titles. Occasionally when other model members come here for help, I am willing to offer whatever little knowledge I have, but they do not come here to argue and they have the respect from me because they ask proper questions.

I do not have the power to stop you from posting, but any further discussion of this topic will just make you look like a tool and let you be further ridiculed by the members here who know more than I do.

You are just as bad as those who think they can swap in a 2JZ in the Camry.


If you must feel like swapping in an engine that would fit without HUGE amounts of mods, I suggest either 1MZ or 3VZ V6's. Its rare and they are relatively strong engines. They are relatively abundant and there is a manual option available. Pick the 1MZ if you plan on running less than 300hp with low boost. Take the 3VZ if you plan on boosting the shit out of it and punching the roof with HP numbers. Either of those engines, I would HIGHLY reccomend replacing all the gaskets before swapping in. Also beware of ODBII in 1MZ engines, some rewiring required. That is all I can think of right now, if you have anymore relevant questions, I would be happy to answer them to the best of my knowledge.

^^ Amen.

truely

Simply put, all STi's in NA have EJ25.
WRX's on the GD chassis have EJ20.

The new Impreza's with the hatch styles or not, all have EJ25. JDM is still running on EJ20.
Either ways, it won't fit in the Celica without intense modifications. END OF THE STORY!


If you must argue with us, then I beg you to please NOT post here anymore. I do not like it when idiots decide to flood my home board with worthless comments when the car in question doesn't even belong in this board. If you must, please go to the Celica boards, this is CAMRY, read the section titles. Occasionally when other model members come here for help, I am willing to offer whatever little knowledge I have, but they do not come here to argue and they have the respect from me because they ask proper questions.

I do not have the power to stop you from posting, but any further discussion of this topic will just make you look like a tool and let you be further ridiculed by the members here who know more than I do.

You are just as bad as those who think they can swap in a 2JZ in the Camry.


If you must feel like swapping in an engine that would fit without HUGE amounts of mods, I suggest either 1MZ or 3VZ V6's. Its rare and they are relatively strong engines. They are relatively abundant and there is a manual option available. Pick the 1MZ if you plan on running less than 300hp with low boost. Take the 3VZ if you plan on boosting the shit out of it and punching the roof with HP numbers. Either of those engines, I would HIGHLY reccomend replacing all the gaskets before swapping in. Also beware of ODBII in 1MZ engines, some rewiring required. That is all I can think of right now, if you have anymore relevant questions, I would be happy to answer them to the best of my knowledge.

I know it would take a lot of work, but you guys, being so eager to try to show off your knowledge, turned it into an arugument... remember "He who doesnt know speaks most, he who knows, doesnt speak at all" think about that one.... you can never see the bottom of a river, so you dont know how deep the water, or in this case, how deep the knowledge.....

Ive been building custom cars for 7 years, and your going to TRY to prove me wrong!? And about something that is obvious?! HILARIOUS!

I don't think you ladies are arguing about anything that's even relevant any more.

locked.