Official 2007 Lexus ES350 Announcement, Images & Specs

EKam
02-08-2006, 09:25 AM
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All-New Fifth-Generation 2007 Lexus ES Sedan Redefines Entry Luxury Segment

02/08/2006 Chicago

The all-new 2007 Lexus ES 350 made its public debut today at the Chicago Auto Show. The all-new, fully redesigned ES marks the fourth Lexus sedan to benefit from the L-finesse design language. Going on sale in late April, the fifth-generation ES improves upon every level of comfort, safety, performance and craftsmanship in the elegant five-passenger sedan.
"We believe the newly revamped ES 350 is better in virtually every way than our original LS flagship sedan," said Lexus Group Vice President and General Manager Bob Carter. "It's faster, quieter and more powerful than the first LS that redefined the prestige luxury segment in the early 1990s."

2007 ES Marks Complete Redesign of All Lexus Sedans
From a styling standpoint, the ES marks the latest Lexus sedan to receive a complete redesign emphasizing a more sculptural direction, one that now reveals a family resemblance across the entire passenger car lineup. With an over two-inch longer wheelbase and more than an inch wider track, the ES has a more confident stance. A long hood, pulled-back cabin and short rear deck are characteristic of the new L-finesse design theme, recalling classic sports car proportions with a contemporary look unique to all new-generation Lexus sedans.

The creation of a spatial feeling in the passenger compartment is central to the new Lexus design direction. Without increasing the overall exterior length, engineers were able to increase rear legroom while maintaining the already roomy driver and front-passenger compartment.

The interior of the new ES introduces a new level of craftsmanship as well. Premium wood, polished metal and leather accents provide a level of luxury never before seen in the entry luxury segment. Everything inside the ES is designed and styled to create a comfortable and harmonious interaction, with touchpoints that convey quality and refinement. The roomy, luxurious cabin is complemented by intelligently designed displays and controls to make driving both simple and pleasurable.
Bright, clear Optitron gauges combined with smartly integrated metallic and authentic brown walnut wood trim help create a luxurious, elegant ambience.

Powerful Technology for New V6
The ES 350's 3.5-liter V6 engine delivers 272 horsepower and 254 lb.-ft. of torque, resulting in an estimated zero-to-60 mph time of 6.8 seconds, substantially quicker than the model it replaces. The highly sophisticated engine uses electronically controlled sequential fuel injection, which optimizes the fuel mixture and creates a precise burn, higher output and lower emissions to aid drivability. The result is a substantial improvement in engine efficiency with increased power and improved fuel economy.

The engine also benefits from reduced internal friction via chain-driven camshafts and roller-rocker arms that serve to increase efficiency. Aluminum heads and cylinder blocks feature special cast-in "spiny" cylinder liners to improve liner stability and cooling by increasing surface contact area with the cylinder head.

The new ES comes standard with dual exhaust, which reduces exhaust backpressure at high rpm. Extensive use of stainless steel in the exhaust system minimizes weight and improves durability. The integration of these technologies contributes to segment-leading efficiency with the ES 350 obtaining a manufacturer-estimated combined fuel consumption of 25 mpg (21 mpg city/30 mpg highway) and an expected Ultra-Low Emission Vehicle II (ULEV II) certification.

Six-Speed Transmission
The front-wheel drive ES 350 features a six-speed automatic Electronically Controlled Transmission with intelligence (ECT-i) and sequential shift. The low-friction, high-efficiency gear train is lighter and more compact than the previous generation 5-speed transmission with 20 percent fewer parts and 24 percent fewer hydraulic controls. Gear ratios are carefully matched to both engine horsepower and torque characteristics to provide very smooth yet responsive shifts for improved drivability.


New Intelligent Luxury
In addition to a new look and feel, the new ES also improves upon the increasingly complex nature of automotive technology. The ES offers numerous standard features such as SmartAccess keyless entry and a new push-to-start ignition system that allows drivers to enter and start the vehicle without removing the access fob from their pocket or purse.

Lexus' craftsmanship and renowned attention to detail provide true luxury by design. Dual-zone automatic climate control and 10-way power front seats, with available memory, highlight the front cabin. The supportive standard cloth seats are also available in leather and extra-soft upgraded perforated leather for additional comfort.

The three-spoke steering wheel features easy-to-use controls for the audio system, trip computer and multi-information display in the speedometer. It also adds a voice control switch for the available Bluetooth® navigation and features. An auto-dimming rearview mirror with an integrated digital compass is standard, as are heated exterior mirrors.

Additional standard luxury features include a sliding center console, a power tilt/telescoping steering wheel, a one-touch power moonroof and an illuminated entry system that lights the exterior with puddle lamps and the interior cabin footwells.

Luxury extends to the smallest details in the new ES, from illuminated front cup holders to an interior LED soft-lighting system that provides just the right amount of light where driver and passengers need it most. And the ES lends extra peace of mind with the integrated Homelink® transmitter that can control a variety of compatible home security devices and systems.

Advanced Safety Features
New standard safety features include Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) and Traction Control (TRAC), an electronic traction-control system that uses both throttle and brake intervention to help control wheel spin.

In addition, the new ES provides eight standard airbags; 10 with the optional rear-seat side airbags. For 2007, the ES gains new knee airbags for the driver and front passenger as well as a twin-chamber front passenger airbag. Side-curtain airbags coupled with front seat–mounted airbags and the optional rear-seat side airbags are designed to help offer additional crash energy management for the front and rear seat occupants.

The Supplemental Restraint System in the new ES also includes variable-force front airbags for both driver and front passenger. Sensors determine the severity of the accident and, in turn, the force with which to deploy the front airbags, helping to provide an appropriate level of occupant restraint. Rear-seat side airbags are offered optionally.

The ES 350 includes the safety of several visibility-enhancing technologies. The front side windows feature a water-repellant surface that helps to bead rainwater. A rear back-up camera, part of the available navigation package, is mounted near the top of the license plate surround and projects a color image of what the camera lens can detect behind the vehicle onto the navigation screen whenever the vehicle is in reverse.
In addition, the ES provides the first-ever intelligent Adaptive Front lighting System (AFS) that allows both right and left front headlamp bulbs to swivel at the same time to help illuminate a turn or curve as the driver steers into it.

Luxury Alive in the Details
For the first time, Lexus offers an optional panorama glass roof on the ES 350 creating an expansive feeling of openness for interior passengers. The glass roof extends over the entire passenger cabin providing a fixed skylight for rear passengers and a sliding sunroof for front passengers. A manual interior shade is provided for the front and rear passenger compartments. The frameless design allows for significantly tighter gaps versus those provided by other manufacturers and, with no visible gaskets, contributes to its sleek appearance and efficient aerodynamics.

Optional ventilated front seats and an available power rear window sunshade work in concert with the standard dual-zone climate control that filters the air to keep occupants comfortable. A dual-zone automatic climate control allows driver and front passenger to customize interior temperatures, while rear passengers enjoy their own A/C vents.

The optional and newly upgraded fifth-generation navigation system offers eight million points of interest (POI). The multi-information display makes key information readily available and easy to see. These and other features available on the new ES, such as semi-aniline leather, High-Intensity Discharge (HID) headlamps, intelligent Adaptive Front lighting System (AFS), Dynamic Radar Cruise Control, heated/ventilated front seats and the panorama glass roof are normally found only in more expensive luxury cars.

Mind-Expanding Audio Systems
An enhanced standard premium audio system brings an in-dash, six-disc CD-changer,
MP3 player, iPod connectivity and an additional speaker to the 2007 ES. The system also includes an Automatic Sound Levelizer (ASL) to maintain consistent sound levels at varying vehicle speeds.

Music aficionados will appreciate the newest generation of the optional Mark Levinson audio system in the new ES. Using a 7.1-channel speaker architecture, this leading-edge design uses 10 channels of amplification with a total of 300 watts at 0.1 percent Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) playing through 14 speakers to bring a major new dimension to automotive audio sound. The Mark Levinson audio also takes advantage of DVD audio and video technology, allowing users to play both conventional CDs and DVDs. DVD movies can be viewed on the color 7-inch touch screen when the vehicle is parked.

The all-new 2007 Lexus ES goes on sale late April. Although prices have not been finalized, it will represent the best value in the entry luxury segment.

EKam
02-08-2006, 09:29 AM
Mark Levinson Discrete 5.1 Surround Sound System
For the First Time in the All-New 2007 Lexus ES 350 Luxury Sedan

02/08/2006 Chicago

Mark Levinson, exclusive premium audio system provider for Lexus cars and SUVs, launches their "next-generation" entertainment system in the all-new 2007 Lexus ES 350 luxury sedan. This groundbreaking system introduces Lexus owners to a discrete 5.1 home theatre entertainment experience optimized for playback of music, music videos and movies in the luxurious, mobile environment provided by the 2007 Lexus ES.

"This Mark Levinson System is a high-performance home theatre on wheels," said Bob Carter, Lexus group vice president and general manager. "A product of over three years of engineering and development, the system improves on every aspect of the original Mark Levinson System introduced in 2002."

This 14-speaker, 300 watt system features the following:
• Discrete 5.1 multi-channel playback via a 7.1-speaker topology
• 5.1 Dolby Digital and DTS decoding of DVD Video and DVD Audio discs
• Proprietary metal cone midrange and tweeter transducers
• Full digital transmission from the digital source to the discrete output topology power amplifiers

Mark Levinson Surround (MLS) audio software optimizes discrete 5.1 playback for Multiseat™ listening and provides a surround sound experience for stereo source material.

"Our latest generation of Mark Levinson systems for Lexus advances the scope of sonic performance and features available, yet they remain true to our original mission to recreate the emotional response evoked by the original musical and now, cinematic, event," said Phil Muzio, director acoustic systems at Mark Levinson. "This system provides a listening experience in the car unrivaled by other vehicle in its class."

Mark Levinson Premium Surround Systems, featuring discrete 5.1 surround sound, were launched in the 2004 Toyota Crown Royale Saloon, 2004 Crown Majesta in the Japan market and in the 2006 Lexus GS 300 and GS 430 earlier this year in the U.S. market.

Mark Levinson Surround Sound System for the 2007 Lexus ES 350 Luxury Sedan Features/Functions:
• 14 Speakers – Four 25 mm tweeters, five 65 mm midranges, two 6 x 9-inch woofers, two 16 cm woofers and one 20 cm subwoofer.

• 10 Channels, 300 watts – The all-new Mark Levinson Processor/Amplifier in the ES will produce a total power output of 300 watts, all-channels driven, 20Hz-20kHz @ less than 0.1% total harmonic distortion.

• Mark Levinson Surround (MLS) Audio Software – Optimizes discrete 5.1 playback for Multiseat™ listening in a 7.1-channel speaker architecture and provides a surround sound experience for stereo source material such as CD and FM. MLS is the only expression of surround sound which has been designed and optimized specifically for the challenges and characteristics exhibited by an automotive passenger cabin.

• Discrete 5.1 Surround Sound

• Media Compatibility – CD, CD-R, DTS 5.1 CD, DVD Video and DVD Audio discs.

• Format Compatibility – 2-channel stereo (analog and PCM), 2-channel surround sound, Dolby Digital 5.1, DTS 5.1 (from DTS 5.1 CD, DVD Video and DVD Audio discs), decodes MP3/WMA and has an aux input.

• 7.1-Channel Surround Sound Speaker Architecture – Separate side and surround channels provide a greater sense of envelopment and depth for front and rear passengers.

• Proprietary Metal Cone Midrange and Tweeter Transducers – Metal cone geometries offer greater cone rigidity and lower mass. Neodymium magnet/motor structures provide higher magnetic flux levels in a smaller and lighter transducer package. The sonic benefits of both technologies are the following:
- Lower distortion – higher resolution
- Greater sound pressure levels – natural dynamics
- Extended frequency response – harmonic richness and musicality

• 20 cm/8 inch subwoofer provides the deepest base tones in the most efficient and compact manner possible.

• All Digital Signal Path from the Disc to the Mark Levinson Discrete Topology Power Amplifiers – Fragile audio signals are often transmitted from the front to the back of the car in an analog format. The analog medium is subject to sonic degradation from noise and magnetic interference within the car and numerous conversions processes between analog and digital. To avoid noise pickup and unnecessary and potentially degrading conversion steps, the ML Surround System transmits digital via SPDIF (Sony Philips Digital Interface Format). 24-bit word lengths are supported.

• Source Dependent MLS – Your favorite MLS setting is retained for individual source types.

• ASL – Volume and tone adjustment for on-the-road system optimization, asymmetrical for surround sound sources.

• ML3 Hardware highlights – Switching power supply, 24-bit ADC and DAC, triple DSP farm, discrete output stages.

• The ES Voicing – Over 1,000 man-hours of laboratory and on-road voicing of the Mark Levinson Premium Surround System for the particular acoustic characteristics of the ES passenger cabin.

LunarMist
02-08-2006, 10:16 AM
All I can say is WOW! The pics I originally posted of the new ES in the other thread dont do this car too much justice. These new pics (exterior one's at least) look way better and would definitely win over the Acura TL for me. Those specs are impressive to say the least and IMO this car really doesn't look like a Camry (past, present, or future) anymore. Good job Toyota/Lexus!

Tideland Prius
02-08-2006, 10:17 AM
Looks like SmartAccess is on all 4 doors unlike the IS which is only available on the front doors. Also, in the first picture, it still reminds me of the current ES (just stare at the front wheel and fender area and you'll see the similarities). The interior also looks narrow because of the dash design.

Aside from that, everything else looks top notch - dashboard material, steering wheel design, equipment etc. :thumbsup:

91MR2quickNA
02-08-2006, 11:04 AM
MUCH better! It puts the previous generation ES to shame. The lines are well sculpted, but still conservative. Conservative never looked so good though.

I can't call it the Lexus Camry anymore! :lol:

And look at how tight those interior panel gaps are. WOW! Talk about attention to detail.

Cyorke
02-08-2006, 01:13 PM
The supportive standard cloth seats are also available in leather and extra-soft upgraded perforated leather for additional comfort.


I didnt even know they offered cloth in a Lexus. SInce when has that been standard.

Love the car. I am trying to get my mother in law out of her Jag and into a new car soon. SHe has already had to older RX300's maybe this is the car for her unless she wants another RX.

EKam
02-08-2006, 01:33 PM
I didnt even know they offered cloth in a Lexus. SInce when has that been standard.

Base model ES and IS both have cloth seats... then again who would actually buy base model Lexus?

drunken_panda
02-08-2006, 01:39 PM
I think the grill needs to be wider. Now it looks like a pounty kid, look at it and you will see.

Cyorke
02-08-2006, 01:56 PM
Base model ES and IS both have cloth seats... then again who would actually buy base model Lexus?


I did not know that. Of course I have never been in the market for a LExus so it is not like I would research it or anything like that. But like you said who buys a LExus and then opts for cloth, sorta defeats the purpose. Oh well to each his own. I have seen the IS with that special fabric whatever they call it once before but it seemed to be more like a suede/leather than cloth.

ECHOKnight2000
02-08-2006, 02:58 PM
Very Nice!! Damn sexy if I may say so! The back of it looks bad ass I like that aggressive look and flow to it and it makes the previous models look really sissy. The dual exuast is very nice. Good job Lexus. I agree this is the best ES...so far and there is no hint of Camry.:thumbup::clap::whatwhat:

1500wattCamry
02-08-2006, 03:28 PM
wow god damn, crap i just wet myself

LunarMist
02-08-2006, 04:17 PM
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Kinda scary cause in some pics the front of this thing looks like a Gen 5 Camry replica.

msm20032003
02-08-2006, 04:46 PM
:eek: Those pictures look ten times better than the spy pictures. I'm going to have to look at this vehicle when it comes out. I wonder when they will annouce pricing....Tomorrow they reveal the Tundra :D

Tideland Prius
02-08-2006, 05:49 PM
I did not know that. Of course I have never been in the market for a LExus so it is not like I would research it or anything like that. But like you said who buys a LExus and then opts for cloth, sorta defeats the purpose. Oh well to each his own. I have seen the IS with that special fabric whatever they call it once before but it seemed to be more like a suede/leather than cloth.

ya well remember what's his name (sorry I really don't remember your name) that wanted an XLE V6 with cloth? Same reasoning I suppose.

Cyorke
02-08-2006, 05:53 PM
ya well remember what's his name (sorry I really don't remember your name) that wanted an XLE V6 with cloth? Same reasoning I suppose.

Doesnt make much sense you can geta ES with cloth but not a XLE V6 Camry. Seems like there would be more of a market for Cmary with cloth than ES. Even a stirpped down ES would have as many if not more options than the Camry. I would think anyway

Tideland Prius
02-08-2006, 07:25 PM
yeah but the 97-01 versions had cloth as standard.

Edit: It just occurred to me. Does the front end not remind you of this?

http://www.avto-az.com/img/hyundai/sonata.jpg
http://www.automarket.bg/wallpaper/hyundai_Sonata_1.jpg

toyweb
02-08-2006, 07:48 PM
I have seen a GS300 with cloth. Most likely you won't see an ES350 with cloth and most dealerships, but I know a few people want this because they prefer cloth in extreme weather.
Cloth still is more comfortable than waiting for heated and ventilated seats to heat up or cool down when the leather is ice cold or scalding hot.

84Cressida
02-08-2006, 08:09 PM
Beautiful.

t^3
02-09-2006, 01:55 AM
It's getting so hard trying to choose what I want my next car is going to be! New ES, IS, Camry, Avalon...they all just look soo good. Toyota is going to be taking the lead from GM in no time!

AvalonMan96
02-09-2006, 03:06 PM
That's hot, but why is it offered in this color:

http://tyt.tnpv.net/Image/2006/02/TYT2006020444437_PV.jpg

That color looks like shit...:barf:

The rest of the colors = :thumbsup:

Bluesman
02-09-2006, 04:52 PM
I think it looks good, throw a black leather interior in it and you'd have a sleek looking car.... But they won't do that.

Ruffrydasean
02-09-2006, 09:23 PM
maybe gave to see it in person...not everyones computer monitor is set up the same and showing the same exact color if you know what i'm tryin to say

Tideland Prius
02-09-2006, 11:59 PM
Looks bronze to me :)

CorollaDX-R
02-10-2006, 05:11 AM
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060208/FREE/60208002/1041

^^^ is this true that the new ES350 not based on camry anymore but based on the avalon now....

Bluesman
02-10-2006, 07:03 AM
No, it's still on the same platform as the Camry.

Avalonman
02-10-2006, 03:17 PM
That's hot, but why is it offered in this color:

http://tyt.tnpv.net/Image/2006/02/TYT2006020444437_PV.jpg

That color looks like shit...:barf:

The rest of the colors = :thumbsup:This color is a BEAUT!

CorollaDX-R
02-10-2006, 07:59 PM
No, it's still on the same platform as the Camry.
thx for clearing that up... heheh autoweek got screwed or they screwed up themself..

Avalonman
02-10-2006, 09:23 PM
http://tyt.tnpv.net/Image/2006/02/TYT2006020455872_PV.jpg (http://www.pressroom.toyota.com/Download?id=TYT2006020455872&type=1)Its so beautiful

TRDcrazy
02-11-2006, 01:01 AM
no one screwed up. the camry and avalon r the same platform so by saying its on the avalon platform they r correct and by u saying its on the camry platform u r crorrect. ur both right.

Tideland Prius
02-12-2006, 01:30 AM
btw, for all of us saying that it looks like an RL (myself included), these pics will show otherwise. It looks much nicer in real life

http://www.canadiandriver.com/cgi-bin/schlabo/sp.pl?/photos/2006/chicago/07es350_1.jpg&info=2007%20Lexus%20ES%20350

http://www.canadiandriver.com/cgi-bin/schlabo/sp.pl?/photos/2006/chicago/07es350_2.jpg&info=2007%20Lexus%20ES%20350

http://www.canadiandriver.com/cgi-bin/schlabo/sp.pl?/photos/2006/chicago/07es350_4.jpg&info=2007%20Lexus%20ES%20350

http://www.canadiandriver.com/cgi-bin/schlabo/sp.pl?/photos/2006/chicago/07es350_3.jpg&info=2007%20Lexus%20ES%20350

91MR2quickNA
02-12-2006, 01:56 AM
no one screwed up. the camry and avalon r the same platform so by saying its on the avalon platform they r correct and by u saying its on the camry platform u r crorrect. ur both right.

True, but the Avalon platform is a heavily modified Camry platform. Thus, to increase the wheelbase and width of the 07 Camry/ES350, Toyota shrunk the Avalon platform. That's why you'll see some Avalon features (interior and exterior) in both the Camry and ES350.

situman
02-12-2006, 12:18 PM
Toyota/Lexus is finally adopting that German Chunky/Heavy/Substantial look, which is great. It no longer looks skinny and fragile.

shred
02-15-2006, 07:38 PM
This is really a nice looking car. I was considering the 2007 Camry but this much better looking inside and out.

I also like the fact that it can be had in cloth seats in the base model.

I will not buy leather because it makes me hot. Yes, even the ventilated ones.

The only think I'm not crazy about is the triple spoke steering wheel.

I think the 3 spoke steering wheel looks great but I like a 4 spoke wheel like on the Camry so I can grab on the lower corner spokes in an overhand manner and steer.

I wish the steering wheel was an option.

But since I can't get a Camry XLE V6 in cloth seats I may seriously consider this car.

The Camry styling is OK, I'm not too happy about the grill but this is really gorgeous.

HoboJoe
02-15-2006, 11:33 PM
That's hot, but why is it offered in this color:

http://tyt.tnpv.net/Image/2006/02/TYT2006020444437_PV.jpg

That color looks like shit...:barf:

The rest of the colors = :thumbsup:
I actually think that color is pretty cool. It's different.

Tideland Prius
02-16-2006, 12:19 PM
I guess gotta give Lexus credit for offering something different from the usual shades of silver, grey and dark grey. Tungsten Pearl is really nice. It's so silvery, it's almost white lol.

05CamryGuy
02-16-2006, 01:20 PM
I wonder if the ES350 have LED tail lights or not. I notice the center brake lamp is LED but the pictures don't show the rest of the rear enough to be able to tell.

Anybody know about this?

Just curious... I'm thinking of buying a new car soon too

Avalonman
02-17-2006, 08:56 PM
http://live20.truelook.com/timages/live12/cata/cata_chicago_north1.1/imgbuf/buf_62/1138807865761628.jpghttp://live20.truelook.com/timages/live12/cata/cata_chicago_north1.1/imgbuf/buf_62/1138807865763148.jpgDo you see how many ES models are upon the floor?

m4663
02-18-2006, 07:26 AM
There is one on display in the Toyota Kaikan Exhibition Hall at their head office. I spent some time poking around in it yesterday. It was nice, but my first impression was that it felt rather cramped inside. I think maybe it was because the seats are set fairly low, and the console is high and wide. The seats seemed a little narrow, too. My 95 Avalon seems a lot more roomy by comparison.

pk_kk
02-26-2006, 04:48 PM
I actually think that color is pretty cool. It's different.

hahahah....... thats like my camry's colour. but still the ES looks more agressive with the new lines in the design.

frankierx
03-02-2006, 04:34 PM
no one screwed up. the camry and avalon r the same platform so by saying its on the avalon platform they r correct and by u saying its on the camry platform u r crorrect. ur both right.

The avalon is on its own separate platform. My parents have an avalon. The Haynes manual have separate books for the camry and avalon.

Cyorke
03-02-2006, 04:51 PM
The avalon is on its own separate platform. My parents have an avalon. The Haynes manual have separate books for the camry and avalon.

There are seperate manuals for all cars. When they say they are on the same platform they are speaking of the basic undercarriage platform. The underpinnings and such are the same. I am trying to think of other ways to put it. Almost all manufacutrers do this because it lowers R&D costs. They can bring other cars to market quicker because they dont ahve to start from teh ground up all the time.

Avalonman
03-03-2006, 12:49 PM
Oh, so thats why the use the same platform. I always wondered about that. Thanks!

AmanO
03-08-2006, 06:08 AM
WHat crack are you guys on? It looks a lot like a camry. Just like they always have. (at least on the outside) This gen is even worse. It looks more like a camry nowe than it ever did.

I do like it though. I have not liked the different tail lights that the ES has but this time it is OK.


Also, I am not sure about 5th gen but 4th gen teh Haynes manual is for Avalon and camry.
I think teh gen of Avalon that corresponds to 5th gen was different enough to need a seperate manual but I would not be suprised if the 2 are together again for 7th gen.

I thought there were 2 fewer gens for ES and 2 fewer for avalon.

Why do car companies feel the need to make their cars too similar in exterior design? Just gave the grilll similar like dodge did. I like 4 years ago when the LS, GS, IS, ES and SUVs looked different. NOw it is just SM MED LG XLG and BOX.

Also, just because other companies are changing their design plans does not mean al the others need to follow. 1999-2004 had some of the best looking cars ever. Now entire companies' lineups look like shit. Everything Caddilac makes is ass now, except MAYBE a DTS V. THE ford fusion and clones are CTS wannabees. Lincoln is getting rid of the LS, their best looking car ever. I am actually likeing Hyundai since they are using older gen styling.

Avalonman
03-08-2006, 07:10 AM
WHat crack are you guys on? It looks a lot like a camry. Just like they always have. (at least on the outside) This gen is even worse. It looks more like a camry nowe than it ever did.

I do like it though. I have not liked the different tail lights that the ES has but this time it is OK.


Also, I am not sure about 5th gen but 4th gen teh Haynes manual is for Avalon and camry.
I think teh gen of Avalon that corresponds to 5th gen was different enough to need a seperate manual but I would not be suprised if the 2 are together again for 7th gen.

I thought there were 2 fewer gens for ES and 2 fewer for avalon.

Why do car companies feel the need to make their cars too similar in exterior design? Just gave the grilll similar like dodge did. I like 4 years ago when the LS, GS, IS, ES and SUVs looked different. NOw it is just SM MED LG XLG and BOX.

Also, just because other companies are changing their design plans does not mean al the others need to follow. 1999-2004 had some of the best looking cars ever. Now entire companies' lineups look like shit. Everything Caddilac makes is ass now, except MAYBE a DTS V. THE ford fusion and clones are CTS wannabees. Lincoln is getting rid of the LS, their best looking car ever. I am actually likeing Hyundai since they are using older gen styling.I see no Camry in the new ES

Tideland Prius
03-08-2006, 01:08 PM
Ditto. But I also don't see a Lexus trait. Lexus prides themselves in having a different engineering team for each car. That way, it doesn't look like S,M,L à la 3, 5, 7 series. Even with the L-Finesse design theme, I still think Lexus cars are different from one another.

KoboChan
03-14-2006, 08:07 PM
its nice to see that they designed the moonroof similar to scion TC. makes me feel like driving a lexus now :lol: