Official 2007 Toyota Tundra Announcement, Images & Specs [Archive]

EKam

02-09-2006, 11:32 AM

Toyota Stages World Premiere of All-New Tundra Full-Size Pickup at 2006 Chicago Auto Show

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02/09/2006 Chicago
February 9, 2006 – Chicago - Toyota Motor Sales (TMS), U.S.A., Inc., unveiled the all-new next-generation Tundra full-size pickup truck at a press conference today at the 2006 Chicago Auto Show.
The Tundra was first introduced in 1999 as a 2000 model. Since then, it has won numerous awards and has been recognized for its value, quality and reliability. The completely redesigned 2007 Tundra will be bigger, more powerful and will offer new body and engine configurations.

"From bumper-to-bumper, under the hood and from the inside out the new Tundra is a true American truck that will set a new benchmark in the full-size truck segment," said Jim Lentz, TMS group vice president and general manager. "It will be aimed at the ‘True Trucker,' the true opinion leaders among full-size owners. True Truckers are highly credible because they use, punish, and demand the most out of the pickups they buy."

The expanded size and power of the new Tundra will be reflected in its ability to tow over 10,000 pounds. To achieve this towing capacity every major component was designed for maximum strength, durability and reliability over the long haul. This will be accomplished with an all-new 5.7-liter i-Force V8 engine manufactured at Toyota's Alabama engine plant. The V8 will be mated to a new heavy-duty six-speed automatic transmission. In addition to the new powertrain, Tundra will also come equipped with heavy-duty front disc brakes with four-piston calipers and vented rotors increased by nearly one and one-half inches, and standard rear disc brakes. High capacity cooling and electrical systems will help Tundra tow heavy loads through the toughest weather. Finally, Tundra will ride on a new rock-solid chassis platform with 30 percent higher tensile strength steel.

Development of the new Tundra was spearheaded by Toyota's U.S.-based facilities. Product planning began at TMS headquarters in Southern California. All engineering development was directed by the Toyota Technical Center in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Styling, inside and out, was the work of Toyota's Calty Research and Design Centers in Newport Beach, California and Ann Arbor, Michigan. Finally, the new Tundra will be built at Toyota Motor Manufacturing in Princeton, Indiana and Toyota's new truck plant in San Antonio, Texas.

Tundra has been super-sized in every metric of comparison with the vehicle it replaces. Its all-new, full-size platform will feature a significantly expanded wheelbase and an increase of 10 inches in overall length. Tundra will also gain nearly five inches in height and will be four full inches wider than before, placing it among the segment leaders in overall size.

Buyers of the new Tundra will have a choice of three engines. In addition to the new 5.7-liter V8, the capable 4.0-liter V6 and the legendary 4.7-liter i-Force V8, both also built in Alabama, will be available.

The new Tundra will come in three cab configurations. It will retain its three-grade strategy with the Base, SR5 and well-appointed Limited trim levels. In all, Tundra will be offered in more than 30 different models, nearly double the current generation.

Calty designers set out to complement the new Tundra's increased size by creating a design with bold, brave and distinctive character lines that are different from anything on the road today. From the front, the new Tundra features a bold front grille, strong bumper and large headlights with a steely glare, conveying a strong and powerful physical presence. The profile reveals a thicker body and taller doors with character lines and fender flares that add dimension and strength as well as an unwavering stance.

Tundra's powerful and rugged exterior styling characteristics extend to the inside. A "command and control" center provides an unobstructed view of the instrument panel and puts knobs, switches and buttons within close reach of the driver.
All Tundra models will feature a class-leading, roomy passenger cabin providing front passengers with four inches more shoulder room. Two-row models will offer rear passengers nearly three inches more shoulder. Front passengers will receive nearly four more inches of hip room while rear passengers will enjoy six inches of additional hip room. Interior storage capacity is increased with the addition of hidden storage compartments, second-row seats that double as work surfaces (two-row models only), and a larger center console box.

For buyers who use their Tundra as a work truck quick and easy access to the truck bed is essential. The new Tundra will feature a tailgate that can be opened and closed with just two fingers. Robust dampers on the hinges have been added to help cushion the tailgate when opening and also help reduce bouncing when driving with the tailgate down. Other design features with workers in mind include large door handles, inside and out, easy-to-turn HVAC knobs, and adjustable headrests, allowing drivers and passengers to ride to their next work site without having to remove protective gear such as hardhats or gloves.

Designers also had safety in mind with the addition of extra large side mirrors to provide a wide field of view, while reducing wind noise and image vibration, always important when towing precious cargo. Additionally, a trailer hitch will be integrated into the Tundra's frame for better stability when handling heavy loads.

The Tundra will be loaded with standard-equipped comfort and convenience features. An array of options and accessories will also be offered, such as a JBL premium audio system with Bluetooth telephone compatibility, 10-way power-adjustable driver's seat, and a wide-screen backup camera integrated into the tailgate handle for enhanced rear-view safety.

"As much as the new Tundra has changed, there are a few things that remain the same," said Jim Press TMS president and COO. "Tundra will again offer the most comfortable, quiet and refined ride in the full-size truck segment. Its build quality, reliability, and durability will, again, be second to none."

The all-new Tundra will arrive in dealer showrooms in early 2007.

2007 TUNDRA PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS

DIMENSIONS (inches)

Overall length: 228.7

Overall width: 79.9

Overall height: 76.4

Wheelbase: 145.7

TRUCK BED DIMENSIONS (inches)

Bed length 78.7

Bed width
(at wheel wells) 65.0

Bed width
(between wheel wells): 50.0

Bed width
(wall-to-wall): 65.0

Bed depth: 22.3

Fresco Bob

02-09-2006, 11:52 AM

toyotafanfan

02-09-2006, 11:53 AM

ahem... 10000+ pounds towing

fan

Cyorke

02-09-2006, 02:52 PM

I saw an article that said it would be comparable or better than the Titan 305HP that it has now. I Dodnt know if they are going to go after the 345 that you get in the Hemi Dodge or the 6.0 VOrtec Max taht GM has. I think that one is somewhere around the same HP rating or a little bit more.

Tideland Prius

02-09-2006, 03:01 PM

whoa nelly!

AvalonMan96

02-09-2006, 03:43 PM

Oh.....

Hell.....

Yeah!

:ohyeah::hititsign

:bowdown: :thumbsup: :loove:

2007 Tundra = the hawtness!!!! :cool:

pjsammy

02-09-2006, 03:50 PM

not sure how I feel about that extra opening on the top of the grill (sort of on the hood)

I gotta let that grow on me a bit

otherwise, homerun. kudos.

ECHOKnight2000

02-09-2006, 03:50 PM

Very nice!! I thought it was coming out this year as an 07? Oh well, can't wait to see it in person even though a year seems like an enternity. Toyota could have easily brushed off "truck culture" if you want to call it and just make a truck to get the competition (which they are) but my point is that they did their research and got down and dirty with the men and women who drive trucks for a living, not people who go to the mall in their double cab. They really became part of what makes people buy trucks and what they look for in a truck and I think that's one of the main reasons this truck is going to sell! I think this is a very handsome Tundra and I can see Detroit trembling in their boots!! With this Tundra Toyota :ownedsmasAnyway's sweeeet!!:ohyeah:

msm20032003

02-09-2006, 04:24 PM

how many horsepower is this engine going to produce

toyotafanfan

02-09-2006, 04:57 PM

how many horsepower is this engine going ot produce

Last september i was told 400hp.

Also that is not a double cab, that is the access cab replacement.

fan

Bakemono

02-09-2006, 05:15 PM

Im not that crazy about the looks of it, Id prefer a more boxy shape.
At the same time, Id bet that as round as it's shape is, the fuel economy should be pretty decent.
Id still like to see some solid numbers on the engine's hp/torque. If its a 5.7L DOHC, Id say that 400 hp is a VERY realistic predicition.
If GM can get 300+ hp out of an OHV 16-valve V8, I see no reason why Toyota cant get 375-400 hp out of a DOHC 32-valve VVT-i V8.

RAV4EVR

02-09-2006, 05:39 PM

BREATHTAKING :loove:

Sorry DETROIT.... ur time came long time ago but this is the end of line for you.. :fuckyou:

I cannot express how happy I am with the design... I wanna CRY like a little girl .... .

el_pavelsd

02-09-2006, 06:16 PM

oh man that looks mean, and so BIG, i hope the 400HP figure will be true, cause if it is that thing's gonna be a MONSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

msm20032003

02-09-2006, 06:22 PM

Also that is not a double cab, that is the access cab replacement.

I wonder how big the actual double cab will be

drunken_panda

02-09-2006, 06:42 PM

I dont think the tires match the rest of the truck. The rear, front and side shots make it look dodge ram-ish. The silver strip in the dash looks silly. But still the best looking truck out there. I'm sure it will be a hit.

BEI

02-09-2006, 07:51 PM

Add some pictures :) :thumbup:

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nomochevys

02-09-2006, 07:51 PM

I dont care what they rate the engine at. What I want to know is what it will lay down to the wheels on a dyno and what the torque curve is going to look like. Its common knowledge that the big bad hemi comes up short at the wheels while the titan will kick its ass with its underrated 305 hp. Dont get to hyped up about ratings. Detroit has trouble coming it looks like.

BEI

02-09-2006, 07:53 PM

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bjdinnebier

02-09-2006, 08:07 PM

I hope the side steps are not stock, but an option. I don't know about the radio controls either. I listen to alot of music, I might need a remote control to span the distance. Seriously..........it is quite a reach. I don't see any controls on the steering wheel for the radio like most limited's. What's up with the skid plate being black, can't we color match paint it. The grill.........I like, but lets take out the diamond cuts and put it behind the bars instead of cutting into them and incorporating it. Otherwise.......wow a full size toyota truck. You know toyota too, unlike the big 3 toyota makes minor changes to improve it's vehicle every year.

91MR2quickNA

02-09-2006, 09:18 PM

Wow, I'm impressed ... except for one thing: why'd Toyota opt for 5 lug hubs?

Even the Tacoma has 6 lugs. It doesn't necessarily indicate axle strength, but I'm just wondering why they went that route.

The small headlights actually suit the Truck, because it gives it a more mature stance, whereas the bigger headlight design of the Tacoma is a lot "younger" and less aggressive. In other words, the Tacoma looks playful, and the Tundra looks ... nononsense, like it wants to get something done.

Also, the design in the tailgate mimics the squared off front grille.

84Cressida

02-09-2006, 09:28 PM

LOOKS great.

aloonda

02-09-2006, 09:50 PM

it looks great except for the dang center console
i hope there is a base version that has a column mounted shifter

also, what mpg are we talking here? 6 speed tranny should help that some

Tideland Prius

02-09-2006, 10:07 PM

Lolrax

02-09-2006, 11:27 PM

This is gonna be an atomic bomb for american manufacturers, I can't wait. It looks indestructible!

The 5 lugs confuses me

ARTSBEST

02-09-2006, 11:47 PM

Why NO factory installed spray on bed liner? What size tires will be available? It has a definite Ram frontal "bubble hood" appearance, F-150 dashboard look, and a Nissan resemblance from the back. I saw this truck in person today in Chicago and can say that it's a VERY LARGE vehicle. MUCH LARGER THAN THE PICS PORTRAY. And we're not even talking about the crew cab version. I think the normal cab version (which we've all seen by now with those black spy pics) will look more tame and normal. The crew cab will be a massive truck to say the least. I think Toyota has a winner here but the tire setups will go a long way in proving this new Tundra as competition for the new GM 900's due out this fall. Toyota better offer the 20" tire setup on this truck because of its size and looks are most important today. Even in the truck segment.

TRD04IS

02-10-2006, 01:53 AM

looks like a biggie size tacoma.

looking at the picture more and more the more i'm liking the design. i think the design looks very strong which is what you want from a truck.

love the side profile and the wide front and rear fenders.
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wish the headlights was a little bigger. maybe that will come when its get its facelift in 2010.

also, how come it didn't get the tacoma's funky bedliner?

cam2Xrunner

02-10-2006, 03:51 AM

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CorollaDX-R

02-10-2006, 06:07 AM

i like the exterior but the rear cab door handles just don't flow... interior is sorta weird but i do luv the guages

nyscene911

02-10-2006, 08:38 AM

LOOKS great. Detroit is going down.

The same thing was said about the last Tundra too. And the Titan.
This thing will probably start off hot, and then cool off to current levels. When all is said and done, it'll prolly sell between 150-200k a year.

I really dislike that Jeckyl and Hyde interior though. And the big grey/silver plastic piece just seems cheap.

ARTSBEST

02-10-2006, 08:59 AM

Nice job, and I'm sure the crew will look just like your pics. What's with this blue? Black at an auto show I know is not advised but with this model I would have suggested it. I know one thing for sure NO short person is going to buy this truck for they WON'T be able to turn the radio knobs, for they're "light years" away. Are all of Toyota's designers 8 feet tall?

ARTSBEST

02-10-2006, 09:05 AM

Maybe ALL radio/temperature controls can be handled from the steering wheel however. Which allows the passenger to adjust the knobs all to themselves. The left side of the wheel shows some type of circular selection system. Which I'm sure allows all features to be controlled there.

Phreakdout

02-10-2006, 10:02 AM

Looks pretty good, pretty big too. The headlights look a little small, they could have put on a nicer exhaust tip, and the brushed aluminum should have continued over radio and hvac stuff on the dash. I wounder what the numbers will be on the 5.7L.

Look for an optional TRD true dual exhaust. It's already in the works! ;)

Two very nice tips with embossed TRD logos!

Phreakdout

02-10-2006, 10:07 AM

it looks great except for the dang center console
i hope there is a base version that has a column mounted shifter

also, what mpg are we talking here? 6 speed tranny should help that some

Yes there is! I have already gone for a ride in this model. In column shift model, the center seat will also fold down into an armrest / console.

drunken_panda

02-10-2006, 12:27 PM

bjdinnebier

02-10-2006, 12:39 PM

I don't think we have to worry about tires, bench seats, etc. Toyota reps have been quoted many times saying that options will double from the previous models. I should explain, they did not mean that there are more bells and whistles to choose from, but more combinations. I am sure that the bedliner will be an option. It has been a success in the tacoma and toyota offers sucess stories.

TRD04IS

02-10-2006, 02:23 PM

nyscene911

02-10-2006, 02:43 PM

detroit shouldn't be worried yet but should look very often in the rearview mirror. with the new tundra i can see toyota doubling sales to 240K+ a year. if they add a diesel model 300k a year is very attainable. the only thing that will hold them back will be the price disparity between the domestics after their incentives. you can play the reliability and quality card, but if there's $10-12k difference between a ford or chevy it'll be very tough to compete head to head in sales.

As I said it before, I see it leveling off in the 150-200k a year area(with extremely hot sales to start, though).
I just don't see beng a huge seller catching up to Detroit. Especially since GM is yet to bring out the 900's(I assume at NY?) and supposedly Ford is doing an update on the 150 relatively soon(including a possible Diesel in the half-ton). I mean, the Tundra is a nice truck, a nice package and most likely very capable. But there's no real benchmarks here or something that will make most truckers(who are loyal) go wow, and change to Toyota.

toyota_whore

02-10-2006, 04:10 PM

Avalonman

02-10-2006, 04:31 PM

^^what are your sources?

Cyorke

02-10-2006, 04:40 PM

the sales from the Tundra are going to put a very small dent in what Ford and Chevy sell right now. I mean think about it the F series pickup is the best selling vehicle in teh world. They sold somewhere int he neighborhood of 900,000 in 05. Even if Toyota reaches the 200,000 goal the truck market has a lot of players and they have a long way to go to catch up.

Phreakdout

02-10-2006, 05:12 PM

...Turbodiesel and hybrid along with heavy duty in the future will come...

^^what are your sources?

I can confim his info. I've received the same info from Engineering at TMC-Japan. (But not the engine performance numbers. I did hea one proto 5.7L engine hit 500Hp just before it failed on the dyno. So it's detuning from that point. )

Razo-E

02-10-2006, 05:15 PM

looks like a Nissan Titan mated with a Rav4; not a bad thing...

interior's gorgeous..

any direct rear shots.?

TTercel

02-10-2006, 08:01 PM

The BOSS is in...the big 3 better move out:lol: I wanna see what the turbo diesel is gonna put out its gonna have to compete well with the big 3

91MR2quickNA

02-10-2006, 08:40 PM

The 5.7 liter i-Force V8 will be rated at about 330 horsepower and 375 pound feet.
Hopefully more than that.Turbodiesel and hybrid along with heavy duty in the future will come.WOWZERS....Toyotas doing things BIGGGG.
At the press confrence Toyota unvieled the Tundra with Tom Waits tune "Big In Japan"

Jim Press was just giving the press a general idea of what the power output will be like. Those are not actual specs, and it's not a direct quote from JP either. I think Toyota knows they're gonna have to muscle in on the competition. Since, the GMT-900 Silverado hasn't been released yet, they have some time to mess with the 5.7L power output.

I expect 375hp/427lb-ft. You need that power to haul something around 9500lbs without backing up traffic.

A 10.5 inch ring gear needs the power to back it up!

CorollaDX-R

02-10-2006, 09:07 PM

i'm suprise that they didn't do a composite bed like the tacoma...

situman

02-10-2006, 09:56 PM

I can confim his info. I've received the same info from Engineering at TMC-Japan. (But not the engine performance numbers. I did hea one proto 5.7L engine hit 500Hp just before it failed on the dyno. So it's detuning from that point. )

With it failing at 500HP, it doesn't sound like it is a very well built engine. Truck engines are suppose to be built extra tough and strong. If the figure is 375hp and the engine breaking with only 125hp more from such a huge engine, it is another MZ series engine (which to say is good but not great).

TRDjibz

02-11-2006, 01:37 AM

hmm been studying Ford F series styling i see...

looks good.

thecamaroisback

02-11-2006, 10:50 AM

dsmnick

02-11-2006, 11:48 AM

This new Tundra is an improvement for Toyota, but really doesn't bring anything remarkable to the truck market. While it tows 10,000 pounds, the F-150 tows 9,900 and is getting an update in the next year, including a new powertrain. The GMT-900s have yet to even be revealed yet.

And biggest of all...Toyota has a tiny dealer network in the areas where they are wanting these trucks to sell. Where I live, the nearest Toyota dealer is an hour away in Omaha; meanwhile, there are 6 or 7 Ford dealerships within a 30 mile radius.

Third, brand loyalty. A lot of people say it doesn't matter, but it makes a huge difference. My uncle is a Chevy guy. Even though the F-150 beats the hell out of his Silverado, he just bought a new one because he "doesn't like Fords." The full-size truck segment is the most brand loyal out there.

I'm not saying the Tundra is bad...it seems VERY competitive. But, those that make comments like "Detroit is going down" clearly don't get it. It's going to take a lot more than a new Tundra for Toyota to conquer the truck market.

As for the interior, I don't really get it...why are the buttons a mile away? It's almost like they were trying to be unergonomical. On the exterior, the front is original, but the profile is very Dodge and the taillights are very Chevy. Also, why is it that Toyota's rims always look like they are made of plastic or are sprayed with silver spray paint? For debut photographs, those are some pretty mediocre wheels.

morepower

02-11-2006, 12:07 PM

Hey Toyota fanboys I'm new to this forum. And while reading this post i have to say that I love it... how everyone is saying "Detroit is going down", when all they're benchmarking this new Tundra against is a soon to be replaced line of GM trucks, and Fords 2 year old truck, and Dodges almost 3 year old truck. I expected better out of Toyota, they basically put a toyota face on a truck using the tried and true formula that Detroit used in its current generations. You wait until GM's duo comes rolling in this Fall, the Tundra will be outclassed in not only interior, but exterior appeal, and performace. Too bad Toyota can't say they put out the first hybrid truck. GM has that one now. Haha, keep drinking ur toyota koolaid.. Detroit is on the offensive.

Toyota equals stylistically bland, manipulative, and uninspired. All they want is more money in their pockets. And you are all the product of their manipulation.

Any comments?your an idiot gm is eating crow and your beating the drum for them
sounds like your having the cool aid, even ford kicks gm a.s.s with the f150 :eek: keep under estimating the the toy they just keep gainning have some more cool aid.
ps the new camaro looks shit. is that the response you wanted!!

thecamaroisback

02-11-2006, 12:41 PM

your an idiot gm is eating crow and your beating the drum for them
sounds like your having the cool aid, even ford kicks gm a.s.s with the f150 :eek: keep under estimating the the toy they just keep gainning have some more cool aid.
ps the new camaro looks shit. is that the response you wanted!!

Sure, pretty good response... but there are a few things you are missing. The Big three has always owned the truck market, with Ford and Chevy combinded they have like 65 percent market share in that area. I conceed that the passenger car market was like that in the good old days before the imports started making high quality products. They caught the big three off guard and they haven't been able to put out a good competitor. But now the imports are a threat and the Big Three know it. Right now, they have the advantage and I don't think Toyota has put up a solid competitor with its new Tundra. Sure it competes with all of the trucks in the market now, but there is not one aspect of this new truck that sets it apart from its competitors, other than that its a Toyota, which right now is a good thing to have considering how this brand is perceived. See there is something called perceived quality and actual quality. And right now Toyota is winning the war in that area. But we all know that GM is scoring up with Toyota in actual quality, just check the latest J.D. report. In the full size truck market, the Big Three rule, and its going to take something original and different to break into that market. The new Tundra just doesn't fit that bill.
And don't rip on the Camaro until something as beautiful or powerful comes out of Toyota. (which will never happen)

will someone intelligent reply to this instead of a bias moron?

thecamaroisback

02-11-2006, 02:04 PM

The new Tundra smokes the F-150, which rivals the Scion xB for boxiest vehicle on the planet, and wtf are you smoking on this JD power crap? Lexus was #1 in quality & TMC was highest company in quality altogether. That "beautful" Camaro you love is a piece of clay that'll probably never make it into production.

"GM earns 16 quality and dependability awards, more long term dependability awards than any other manufacturer"
"A GM-record 30 models among the top three in segment."
"Highest plant quality in North/South America for the fourth consecutive year"

2005 Vehicle Dependability Ranking
Lexus 139
Porsche 149
Lincoln 151
Buick 163
Cadillac 175

2005 Initial Quality Ranking
Lexus
Jaguar
BMW
Buick
Cadillac
Mercedes

Ok lets look at the facts.. on each of the above J.D. Power rankings, Toyota as a brand is no where to be found. Lexus is there, it is a good brand and deserves it. But look at that, there are 2 GM brands in each of them. Maybe TMC is still on top, but domestics have come a LONG way, all you need to lay off. I think you need to check your facts before you post something as uninformed as that crap you call a post.

Boxy? Trucks are suppose to be boxy. The F-150 is a very nice looking truck, by far better looking than the Tundra, and it sales numbers will show it. In my oppinion, the Tundra is trying to hard to look tough. I would rather see something a little cleaner, less, chunky. That grill is just ugly. But hey I'm the guy who likes the Camaro concept, why listen to me.

The Camaro is on for 2008. I don't think GM is as stupid as you think. They would have to be totally deaf not to hear the overwhelming support for Camaro production.

I seem to attract some really uniformed people.

Blacksupra93

02-11-2006, 02:45 PM

"GM earns 16 quality and dependability awards, more long term The Camaro is on for 2008. I don't think GM is as stupid as you think. They would have to be totally deaf not to hear the overwhelming support for Camaro production.

I seem to attract some really uniformed people.

Last thing I read is that GM promised that the camaro (if it came back) would be built in Canada, and right now they have no capacity to do so. What they should be doing is focusing on all their regular cars before the try to build the niche market of performance cars, but I doubt they'll do that because theyve lost so much ground. They'll probably jump right in and find a way to get it built....but with 400hp it's going to have the exact same engine as the vette...would they really do that without detuning the thing? I donno, I like the way the exterior looks though, so whatever happens, happens.

and for the record....who ever said the new engine made it to 500hp before failing....I hope you're just talking for the sake of talking, because thats an awefully low rating to be failing at.

wtgkb8

02-11-2006, 03:49 PM

The Tundra has come out with respectable competition for the Big Trucks. There is no denying that with the new trundra.

However, there needs to be better welcoming to new members who are presenting facts about quality, with the exception of opinions on design which are all subjective. Telling new members to get lost when most information they present it fact is pretty lame. Make a comeback w/ facts to support. Don't just disagree and tell people their idiots.

For the record, if the new Tundra has a tow rating of 10,000 lbs, and that's great! But, 2006 chevy silverado half ton (non-HD) 2WD extended cab is already rated to tow 10,400lbs w/ the VortecMax 6.0 L V-8.

I'm waiting to see final specs on both the new Tundra and GMT-900 trucks tow and power ratings before I make addtional judgements on towing capabilities.

morepower

02-11-2006, 04:38 PM

dsmnick

02-11-2006, 04:57 PM

The new Tundra smokes the F-150, which rivals the Scion xB for boxiest vehicle on the planet, and wtf are you smoking on this JD power crap? Lexus was #1 in quality & TMC was highest company in quality altogether. That "beautful" Camaro you love is a piece of clay that'll probably never make it into production.
Your comments are always good for a laugh. Toyota releases limited info about the Tundra and already you assume it "smokes the F-150" without any testing, any comparisons, or any factual data that supports your claim. Ford has been building F-series trucks since 1948, they have been the best selling truck since 1977 and the best selling US vehicle for a number of years. Toyota has just finally now built something that is competitive after two other attempts that were too small and underpowered. You can tell they want the title so bad...yet Ford won't stand by idly. Same with GM. Trucks are their strength, and they have a loyal following.

I congratulate Toyota for finally coming up with something competitive, but it's going to take a lot more than a new truck to win the hearts and minds of many truck buyers. Toyota is largely an urban market brand, and most of their dealers are in urban markets. They have weak support in rural areas where trucks sell en masse. The Nissan Titan proved that competitive vehicles don't always sell well in tough markets, and that is why they now sit on lots with rebates and incentives. I think the Tundra will do better than the Titan, but no way will it catch the F-150 or Silverado within the next few years.

wtgkb8

02-11-2006, 05:24 PM

anybody thats buys gm deserves what they get, you can tote the gm flag all you want but the facts are they suck on quality of vehicle, i do like the motor for it's efficiency.
as far as anybody coming here and posting camaro is back as a user name and calling out (Toyota fan boys), well what do you expect a red carpet, come with a chip on your shoulders to a Toyota site like that then your an idiot and just bored and are looking for an argument as stated by him. otherwise welcome :)

From my only experience with toyota, I have to say I was pleased for what it was. It was a 1990 Toyota 2wd pickup with the 22R I-4, 4-spd manual. It was a good dependable truck until we had to get rid of it for engine troubles at 175k miles, and needing 3rd clutch. Where is shined some was the interior...not many rattles for the age/miles. So, when it comes to interior quality, I agree that 80s-early 2000s quality was no doubt better in a toyota than gm. The lastest models of gm are showing outstanding build quality inside and out, but only time will tell the story.

Mechanically, anyone that buys gm gets what they deserve, and usually they get something very good. I have had no personal experience that would tell me one is better than the other. But when I'm currently approaching 200k miles w/ original tranny and engine on a 91 Gm 90 deg V-6 and 3 spd auto, with no signs of trouble (no smoke, more power than when it was new, better fuel mileage than epa estimates, no leaks, etc), I can't say they make bad quality powertrains. I abuse that powertrain daily, and redline the engine at least 4 times a week. I am religeous when it comes to engine maintenace however. The same goes for many of the same V-6s and small block V-8s. I will say that GM does have issues w/ some of their powertrain combos, and I could name a couple.

They 22R I-4 needed a headgasket at 150kmiles, but was abused similarly. Maybe it was just a bad one as I don't know of any others having the same issue. Have there been?

10SE

02-11-2006, 07:15 PM

I love it. Inside and out, I think it's very fresh. Some people won't (don't) like the way the dash is "divided" or the "rounded" exterior. But, it's a very modern design. Better than rehashing the same old thing that every other manufacturer does.

Sure would be nice if a mod could come through and prune out all of the bullshit in this thread, so the focus could be put back on the 2007 Tundra instead of petty bickering and opinions.

84Cressida

02-11-2006, 07:26 PM

Your comments are always good for a laugh. Toyota releases limited info about the Tundra and already you assume it "smokes the F-150" without any testing, any comparisons, or any factual data that supports your claim. Ford has been building F-series trucks since 1948, they have been the best selling truck since 1977 and the best selling US vehicle for a number of years. Toyota has just finally now built something that is competitive after two other attempts that were too small and underpowered. You can tell they want the title so bad...yet Ford won't stand by idly. Same with GM. Trucks are their strength, and they have a loyal following.

I congratulate Toyota for finally coming up with something competitive, but it's going to take a lot more than a new truck to win the hearts and minds of many truck buyers. Toyota is largely an urban market brand, and most of their dealers are in urban markets. They have weak support in rural areas where trucks sell en masse. The Nissan Titan proved that competitive vehicles don't always sell well in tough markets, and that is why they now sit on lots with rebates and incentives. I think the Tundra will do better than the Titan, but no way will it catch the F-150 or Silverado within the next few years.
What the hell are you talking about? The T-100 & current Tundra are competitive, reliable, and sold workhorses. Toyota doesn't give a shit about some lame title, because the F-150 has terrible 4WD reliability problems, and the Silverado has an interior that makes Kia look good. The big 3 trucks were NO better than their cars. I can't tell you how many GM trucks I see literally falling apart.

The Nissan Titan doesn't sell because it doesn't give you many choices & it's quality is crap.

chevy6.0fan

02-11-2006, 08:12 PM

Hey yall Im new to this site. Im a gm fan and would never own a toyota truck but toyo did a good job with this truck. Looks like it might finally have the frame strength and engine size to compete with the big boys.

Its not gonna sway the loyalists but it is a good product. I think the styling is a little funky with serious injections of ford,dodge, and chevy in the design.

BEI

02-11-2006, 08:42 PM

This is heavy duty, right? Is that in the same class as Tundra?

Maybe we still see a 4sp new GM truck

toyweb

02-11-2006, 08:50 PM

Mr. Burns

02-11-2006, 10:18 PM

it seems the titans have clashed.

hi GMI!

Lexo_600h

02-11-2006, 10:20 PM

The truck looks fine, but why are all these pics out now when the truck is not going to be available for about 1 year?
Isn't this unusual for Toyota to post all these photos and have a web site for the new truck when it isn't even close to being available?

It's not just pics and a web site. Toyota officially unveiled the new Tundra at the Chicago Auto Show during press days.

They did that because Chicago is typically more of a "truck" auto show than the other major U.S. shows. Now Toyota has the rest of the auto show season to unveil additional versions of the new Tundra and--eventually--tell the world some more about the new powertrain.

They might even wait until the start of the next auto show season--L.A. in November--before we hear anything on the new powertrain.

They're just spreading it out for more effect.

I just wanna know about that 5.7L V8!!!

morepower

02-11-2006, 10:51 PM

From my only experience with toyota, I have to say I was pleased for what it was. It was a 1990 Toyota 2wd pickup with the 22R I-4, 4-spd manual. It was a good dependable truck until we had to get rid of it for engine troubles at 175k miles, and needing 3rd clutch. Where is shined some was the interior...not many rattles for the age/miles. So, when it comes to interior quality, I agree that 80s-early 2000s quality was no doubt better in a toyota than gm. The lastest models of gm are showing outstanding build quality inside and out, but only time will tell the story.

Mechanically, anyone that buys gm gets what they deserve, and usually they get something very good. I have had no personal experience that would tell me one is better than the other. But when I'm currently approaching 200k miles w/ original tranny and engine on a 91 Gm 90 deg V-6 and 3 spd auto, with no signs of trouble (no smoke, more power than when it was new, better fuel mileage than epa estimates, no leaks, etc), I can't say they make bad quality powertrains. I abuse that powertrain daily, and redline the engine at least 4 times a week. I am religeous when it comes to engine maintenace however. The same goes for many of the same V-6s and small block V-8s. I will say that GM does have issues w/ some of their powertrain combos, and I could name a couple.

They 22R I-4 needed a headgasket at 150kmiles, but was abused similarly. Maybe it was just a bad one as I don't know of any others having the same issue. Have there been?200k and readline it weekly right sounds like a good one, gm is crap i have a new gm van every 2 years and before you hit 20k ive had triany problems on 3 of the last five
interior is crap falls apart engine service lights all the time i think its an engine management problem with the lights thank god it's a 350 or i would say its s.h.i.t. maybe if i trolled at the gm forums i could tell you more but I'm living it thats why i buy Toyota and will never own a gm for a personal vehicle. gm has a long history of making bad 4 cyl including Pontiac shaker 4 banger in the 1980's good god i don't want to remember them. every time someone wants to throw tomatoes at Toyota they bring up the 22r the aluminum head on iron block was the cause of the head gasket problem other than that it was a solid motor it was fixed i would rather have a 22r than any other gm motor of similar size and power.

CACressida

02-12-2006, 12:09 AM

Spud

02-12-2006, 12:26 AM

Im loving the looks of this new Tundra but is it me or does it look more like an American truck??The interior looks like its made out of solid granite, which is a good thing but I cant help thinking that it reminds me of an F-150's interior.Am I crazy???Btw, message to Dodge and Chevy: The new Tundra is coming....be afraid...be VERY afraid.....:eek: :eek: :eek:

Mr. Burns

02-12-2006, 12:50 AM

I dont know what "thecamaroisback" is talkin about. GM's new trucks we already know what they look like. Chevy Avalanche = Looks like a Tahoe/Suburban. Since GM tends to slap the same, or minor changed face, the Tahoe/Suburban/Avalanche predict the Silverados styling. Interior is already known now so it aint a big secret. There still using the oldskool pushrods so that aint so surprising.

The so called hybrid trucks GM has arent really hybrids. A hybrid means that you can use both different sources of power at the same time, or individually. GM's socalled hybrid doesnt do squat but shut down the engine when you stop. LOL Funny, dunno how they got away with calling it a hybrid. They don't sell much either.

but they are riding on something toyota can never count on in this segment, image. Number one reason why these SUVs sell (seeing as minivans are much more logical choices) is because they offer that macho image and exude a certain vibe.

In terms of pickups, most who buy them are rednecks (hence the many chevy and dodge commercials aimed at them). I doubt this demographic will find anything from toyota interesting, after all, toyotas known for making camrys and hybrids, two things this demographic considers to be for wusses.

they've used pushrods in the past too, and sales have remained consistant, reinforcing the macho "great american muscle" "real american truck" perception.
the new tundra looks mean, but it has as big enough chance at overthrowing the big three pickups as a new malibu will have at overthrowing the camry.

84Cressida

02-12-2006, 01:34 AM

I know you guys from GMI, Burns, chevy 6.0, dsmnick.

chevy6.0fan

02-12-2006, 01:54 AM

but they are riding on something toyota can never count on in this segment, image. Number one reason why these SUVs sell (seeing as minivans are much more logical choices) is because they offer that macho image and exude a certain vibe.

In terms of pickups, most who buy them are rednecks (hence the many chevy and dodge commercials aimed at them). I doubt this demographic will find anything from toyota interesting, after all, toyotas known for making camrys and hybrids, two things this demographic considers to be for wusses.

they've used pushrods in the past too, and sales have remained consistant, reinforcing the macho "great american muscle" "real american truck" perception.
the new tundra looks mean, but it has as big enough chance at overthrowing the big three pickups as a new malibu will have at overthrowing the camry.

Just cause your a blue collar worker who depends on a strong and reliable truck dont mean your a redneck. Im a chevy guy, and my 99 silverado has never let me down. 80,000 miles with ZERO! maintainance, not even brakes. Gas and tires, thats it. I like my older interior better than that weird two tone crap of chrome and plastic in the tundra. Looks wired. And that console shifter belongs in a camry or something. This is a truck, why would your sacrifice interior space for something that serves no real purpose ecept for styling. This is a TRUCK! Chevy still knows this. Ford does, and so does dodge. why do you think the new tundra has so many american influences.

I hope when I pull one of these out of the mud the frame doesnt rip off like this 2000 tundra I pulled out once. That was so funny. Towhook and a nice chunk of front frame couldn't handle a little yankin. :lol:

Watercrest

02-12-2006, 02:07 AM

The Big 3s laughed when the Japanese import cars arrived to the US Shores in the 70s. But the Japanese just kept on improving their products and by the 1990s is was all over and the Big 3s was in full retreat in the car business. The only area that keeps the Big 3s alive today is the truck business. Now that the Japanese has begun to move into the Big 3s last turf, they and their "loyal" customer base continue to laugh across the heartland. The Japanese will continue the assault year after year, evolution after evolution and within the next 20 years it will be all over. All the Big 3s will either be bankrupt or be reduced to 1 minor player. Laugh no more America. Learn the lesson from the past, instill some humility and pray for tomorrow.

cam2Xrunner

02-12-2006, 02:15 AM

People, please be civil. There is no need for any flaming or posts spouting "GM Sucks, Ford Sucks, Toyota sucks, etc, just talk about the truck. No personal attacks at anyone are needed to discuss trucks.

We welcome the Domestic fans here, but please don't come simply to post stupid nonsense.

91MR2quickNA

02-12-2006, 03:23 AM

With it failing at 500HP, it doesn't sound like it is a very well built engine. Truck engines are suppose to be built extra tough and strong. If the figure is 375hp and the engine breaking with only 125hp more from such a huge engine, it is another MZ series engine (which to say is good but not great).

Unless there's actual proof of it failing, I doubt it's true. Toyota uses a racing spec 2UZ that is bored and stroked to 5.5L and produces over 600hp.

Type: i-Force Racing V8, DOHC, 32-Valve, VVT-I
Displacement: 5.5 Liters (337CI)
Power: 600+ hp at 8,000 RPM
Induction: Fuel Injected
Bore: 3.78 inches
Stroke: 3.75 inches
Compression Ratio: 13.5:1

If it did fail, it might be a new engine block/head design, and that's normal when working bugs out of the design. But we also don't know how long it was running at 500hp before failure. Most of Toyota's modern truck engines use forged pistons, connecting rods, and cranks.

thecamaroisback

02-12-2006, 12:24 PM

The reason this thread pisses me off so bad is the totally lack of fairness. Look at sales, the Big Three rule, ok so quality wise its more tilted SLIGHTLY toward SOME imports. I just think that this truck is another everyday truck just so Toyota could say that have one. It doesn't have anything to set it apart. Its styling is cartoony and trying way to hard to be tough.

Why hasn't anyone responded to my comment about GM's quality improvements/accomplishments? is it because the truth hurts?

Mr. Burns

02-12-2006, 12:53 PM

situman

02-12-2006, 12:57 PM

Hey Toyota fanboys I'm new to this forum. And while reading this post i have to say that I love it... how everyone is saying "Detroit is going down", when all they're benchmarking this new Tundra against is a soon to be replaced line of GM trucks, and Fords 2 year old truck, and Dodges almost 3 year old truck. I expected better out of Toyota, they basically put a toyota face on a truck using the tried and true formula that Detroit used in its current generations. You wait until GM's duo comes rolling in this Fall, the Tundra will be outclassed in not only interior, but exterior appeal, and performace. Too bad Toyota can't say they put out the first hybrid truck. GM has that one now. Haha, keep drinking ur toyota koolaid.. Detroit is on the offensive.

Toyota equals stylistically bland, manipulative, and uninspired. All they want is more money in their pockets. And you are all the product of their manipulation.

Any comments?

It really doesn't matter if Toyota really conquers the segment. All Toyota has to do its garner 200k or so sales from the segment. It is not about domination, it is about well-rounded market segment penetration. Sure the Big 3 has the truck market cornered, but is it really doing them any good? Toyota is a very patient company. They aren't looking to sella million trucks, they can't even if the market demands it. If each model sells around 150k units a year, wouldn't you say this is a very successful and rich company? Please don't forget to look a tthe big picture.

situman

02-12-2006, 01:05 PM

"GM earns 16 quality and dependability awards, more long term dependability awards than any other manufacturer"
"A GM-record 30 models among the top three in segment."
"Highest plant quality in North/South America for the fourth consecutive year"

2005 Vehicle Dependability Ranking
Lexus 139
Porsche 149
Lincoln 151
Buick 163
Cadillac 175

2005 Initial Quality Ranking
Lexus
Jaguar
BMW
Buick
Cadillac
Mercedes

Ok lets look at the facts.. on each of the above J.D. Power rankings, Toyota as a brand is no where to be found. Lexus is there, it is a good brand and deserves it. But look at that, there are 2 GM brands in each of them. Maybe TMC is still on top, but domestics have come a LONG way, all you need to lay off. I think you need to check your facts before you post something as uninformed as that crap you call a post.

Boxy? Trucks are suppose to be boxy. The F-150 is a very nice looking truck, by far better looking than the Tundra, and it sales numbers will show it. In my oppinion, the Tundra is trying to hard to look tough. I would rather see something a little cleaner, less, chunky. That grill is just ugly. But hey I'm the guy who likes the Camaro concept, why listen to me.

The Camaro is on for 2008. I don't think GM is as stupid as you think. They would have to be totally deaf not to hear the overwhelming support for Camaro production.

I seem to attract some really uniformed people.

Anyone noticed these are all Near Luxury/Luxury makes? They are suppose to be ranked up there. Where is Toyota ranked relative to the other GM brands like Pontiac, Chevy and Saturn or whatever else brands they have? I didn't bother to do the research because everyone one has their ups and downs. It is when a company is down more often than up that you have doubts about them. When Toyota consistently gets ranked at or below average, I will gladly admit they have tanked.

dsmnick

02-12-2006, 01:28 PM

What the hell are you talking about? The T-100 & current Tundra are competitive, reliable, and sold workhorses. Toyota doesn't give a shit about some lame title, because the F-150 has terrible 4WD reliability problems, and the Silverado has an interior that makes Kia look good. The big 3 trucks were NO better than their cars. I can't tell you how many GM trucks I see literally falling apart.

The Nissan Titan doesn't sell because it doesn't give you many choices & it's quality is crap.
The T-100 was competitive with the Ranger and S-10, maybe...but not the F-150, Ram, and Silverado. It had a 150-hp engine when it first rolled out! And a 4-cylinder! The best that truck ever put out was 190 hp / 225 lb ft out of the 3.4L V6.

The Tundra did better, but it was still too small. This isn't just my opinion...check out any Motor Trend or Car & Driver comparison from the last 4 years. I don't recall it ever finishing first or second, and the number one complaint was that it was a 9/10ths truck.

A new era is dawning for GM and Ford...you can keep denying their improved quality, but they have made leaps and bounds in the last few years. JD Power is recognizing it, auto magazines are recognizing it, and the open-minded American public is starting to recognize it.

By the way, spys of the new GMC Sierra and Chevy Silverado...like I said, GM and Ford will not stand by idly, especially in the full-size truck market.
http://blogs.edmunds.com/.ee8f44c/cmd.233/enclosure..ee8f44d
http://blogs.edmunds.com/.ee8f44f/cmd.233/enclosure..ee8f450
http://blogs.edmunds.com/.ee8f448/cmd.233/enclosure..ee8f449

http://blogs.edmunds.com/.ee8f45c

situman

02-12-2006, 01:32 PM

Buick isnt really luxury. Its an alternative to Chevy with grandpa in mind. I love buicks though.

It is Near Luxury.

morepower

02-12-2006, 01:47 PM

Why are all my posts deleted. All im saying is that my fords are lasting fo ever with no problems!
Here is the message that has just been posted:
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Toyota Sucks!!!!!
Hello From GMI!!!!
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About your Reliability shit, My dads truck has 165,000 Kms. Its a 2001 Ford F150 4x4. Basic oil changes and thats it. Not 1 problem ever. Not a squeak or rattle. My old 1989 Bronco had 285,000 Kms and Only needed a alternator at 250,000. Other than that, seamless. It was beaten to hell to.
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from what your posting i think the moderators are doing their job :clap: .. actually they should throw you out permanent for being a pecker. :lol:

CDNVITZ

02-12-2006, 01:53 PM

from what your posting i think the moderators are doing their job :clap: .. actually they should throw you out permanent for being a pecker. :lol:

Thank you! :whatwhat:

-Rick

morepower

02-12-2006, 02:23 PM

your welcome....
on the new tundra I'm holding back till i see it in person... i like the size of my access cab
and when i shopped for a truck i looked at the silverado but everybody had one of these same for the fords and they looked better than the silverado.. after checking out the tundra,
i found it to be the perfect size not full size but bigger than a Tacoma everything was just right the fit and finish was fantastic compared to the other even ford, thats one of the reasons ford redesigned the f150 and their interior is the best looking right now, thats why
Toyota copied it to a degree on the 2007 they should have copied more of it.
the 2007 is big and to me thats a low point for my needs my tundra is 4 1/2 years old and paid for hardly used and has 26k on the odometer, so if i sell I'm really going to shop.
so far the new tundra looks like it, but it will most likely be the reg cab with the bigger 5.7 depending on the hp rating and a sports package. i think it will look dam nice.
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/showgallery.php/cat/876

Mr. Burns

02-12-2006, 02:33 PM

It really doesn't matter if Toyota really conquers the segment. All Toyota has to do its garner 200k or so sales from the segment. It is not about domination, it is about well-rounded market segment penetration. Sure the Big 3 has the truck market cornered, but is it really doing them any good? Toyota is a very patient company. They aren't looking to sella million trucks, they can't even if the market demands it. If each model sells around 150k units a year, wouldn't you say this is a very successful and rich company? Please don't forget to look a tthe big picture.

personally i dont see a point in toyotas rush to "dominate" the truck segment, wouldnt that put a dent in its reputation? wouldnt they be branded as hypocritical? selling priuses at one end and huge monstrosities at the other?

Mr. Burns

02-12-2006, 02:34 PM

OMG, it's FordRules.:rolleyes:

its a slow invasion...

84Cressida

02-12-2006, 02:47 PM

The funny part is that even though Toyota sells less trucks than GM & Ford, they make more profit on them than either.

gideon1331

02-12-2006, 02:59 PM

The funny part is that even though Toyota sells less trucks than GM & Ford, they make more profit on them than either.

Indeed they do. GM actually took a distributed loss of $2,331 on every vehicle sold in 2005 (total loss of 11.32 billion), and I would assume that they lost more on the trucks than on smaller cars.

84Cressida

02-12-2006, 03:14 PM

It's because of fleet sales, rebates, and nationwide sales give aways.

CheeseHead91182

02-12-2006, 03:47 PM

Why are all my posts deleted. All im saying is that my fords are lasting fo ever with no problems!

why even bother to come here and post if all you want to do is bash Toyotas, and by the way My family used to buy nothing but fords the longest lasting on we had was an 81 Mustang which died at 11 yrs old and my dad sold it to a junk yard for $60. The worst of the fords we had had to be the 95 Windstar, it had to get a new egnine put in when it was 5 yrs old and only like 50,000 mi on it, the van always had something wrong with it, we got rid of it in 04 wne the engine light came on again and got a Sienna. Now we alos had a 88 camry which we had until 04 when it got stolen, never had any engine problems it was a great car, it out lasted out 95 windstar and out 88 escort. To me Toyota is clearly the better product.

ricers-shaft-b3

02-12-2006, 05:29 PM

dsmnick

02-12-2006, 05:30 PM

why even bother to come here and post if all you want to do is bash Toyotas, and by the way My family used to buy nothing but fords the longest lasting on we had was an 81 Mustang which died at 11 yrs old and my dad sold it to a junk yard for $60. The worst of the fords we had had to be the 95 Windstar, it had to get a new egnine put in when it was 5 yrs old and only like 50,000 mi on it, the van always had something wrong with it, we got rid of it in 04 wne the engine light came on again and got a Sienna. Now we alos had a 88 camry which we had until 04 when it got stolen, never had any engine problems it was a great car, it out lasted out 95 windstar and out 88 escort. To me Toyota is clearly the better product.
Once again, someone thinking that Bill Ford-era Fords are the same as Nasser-era Fords. We had a '96 Windstar and yes, it was unreliable and cheap. BUT, 2000+ Windstars have proven to be much more reliable and the problem-prone 3.8L V6 that formerly powered the Windstar is now gone.

The NEW Fords such as the Five Hundred and Fusion came about under a completely different leadership...yet so many on this board lump them in with the Fords of old. The Focus had some first year issues, but the bugs have been worked out and now it is among the most reliable compact cars. The Five Hundred is ranked in number three for initial quality in full-size cars behind the Grand Marquis and LeSabre...no Avalon on that list.

The 2004 Explorer that my mom drives has not had one problem yet. The 4.0L V6 is strong and smooth, and there are no rattles or squeaks on the interior. My Grandpa's 2005 Grand Marquis is the same way...solidly built. Both have had millions invested into new interiors with higher-quality dash plastics and more precise fits.

So, the moral of the story...Ford has come a long way since Bill Ford took over the helm in 2002.

thecamaroisback

02-12-2006, 05:56 PM

i think GM and Ford lovers should be welcome to come here and post whatever they want as long as it is sensible, free of profanites and factual.

as long as a toyota lover is allowed to say GM sucks or Ford sucks on this forum, a dmoestic admirer should be allowed to say Toyota sucks!

(in my opinion such posts, whether anti Ford,GM or Toyota, all by themselves, without any other, relevant content should be deleted in any case, not merely because it is anti toyota!

Ford and GM admirers should be made to feel as welcome as everyone else!

Wow you are a voice of reason, if you look at the forum up to the point where I started posting it was riddled with shouts of "GM and Ford are going down" "GM and Ford Suck", and when someone says one thing about Toyota sucking, everyone gets all upset. I really don't feel welcome and have been the subject of a few personal attacks on this forum. But hey i signed up on a Toyota forum, not a Domestic forum. And to the guy who was asking where Toyota was on the quality list, it was number 7.. Granted Saturn and Hummer were lower, Chevy was right with Toyota in that survey. And why is he pointing out that all of GMs quality stars are "Mid lux" when the Lexus, the only Toyota brand in the top five is the highest luxury brand made by Toyota.

Wheels66

02-12-2006, 06:57 PM

bjdinnebier

02-12-2006, 07:49 PM

Let's see. The T-100 looked like a warmed over Dakota. The Tundra was an exact copy of the F-150, and now the new tundra looks like Dodge Ram ( only with an uglier grill ). I don't think that Chevrolet, GMC, Ford or Dodge have anything to worry about.

:)

I had an F-150 one time.......I loved it. Then the waranty ran out and so did my patience with repairs. man my clean driveway has so many oil spots from that workhorse and I babied it. Anyway, I started doing some research. Depreciation of a toyota, well lets just say you will definatley get your money back. Do they sell as much as the big three, no it is a proven fact that they don't. But, every vehicle I have had I research and consumer reports is pretty much right on the money.

Guess who gets the recomendation every year.........thats right it is toyota tundra and tacoma. The only complaint about tundras is the towing and room. Well those two things don't bother me. The most I'm going to tow, like most people, is a boat and the size of the tundra is perfect for my 6 ft frame.

Sorry, but the ol' consumer reports is right on and they just don't look to fondly on the big three. I'm not bashing the big three. I was torn between a 2005 Tundra and a new f-150, but most was the new f150 exterior, man is it sharp. But...........like one of the earlier post said and consumer reports agreed with.......there is a reason that the f150 is getting a new power train and other updates. Because there are flaws with the other designs.......again I am glad I bought the tundra.

Did I mention how much quieter my tundra is than the new quiet steel f-150's, I just don't get it..........and the engine, WOW it is smooth.......of coarse derived from a lexus

I'm not going to say big three owners are idiots, I'm over that.

It just depends what you want out of a truck......."It's like your opinion man. (The Dude)"

Phreakdout

02-12-2006, 08:00 PM

Unless there's actual proof of it failing, I doubt it's true. Toyota uses a racing spec 2UZ that is bored and stroked to 5.5L and produces over 600hp.

Type: i-Force Racing V8, DOHC, 32-Valve, VVT-I
Displacement: 5.5 Liters (337CI)
Power: 600+ hp at 8,000 RPM
Induction: Fuel Injected
Bore: 3.78 inches
Stroke: 3.75 inches
Compression Ratio: 13.5:1

If it did fail, it might be a new engine block/head design, and that's normal when working bugs out of the design. But we also don't know how long it was running at 500hp before failure. Most of Toyota's modern truck engines use forged pistons, connecting rods, and cranks.

Thanks for the backup MR2!

Holy Moley! I take a couple days off the forum and war breaks out! :eek: LOL

I wanted to clarify the whole 500Hp thing. This was a prototype engine. How early in the program, I don't know. So anything could have caused it. (Mechanical failure, dyno controller, fuel mapping ... etc)

The point is that it was not hard for the Toyota engine to reach this number. Remember, it's not HP that sells a truck, torque is the key number. Lord knows what they reached.

Toyota does a better job than anyone (in my opinion) of learning the root cause of failure and implementing countermeasures to said failure.

I hope I didn't get anyone upset over such a casual comment. Cripes! Just wait to the official press release before getting all upset. Toyota is just starting testing on off tool (JA build) designs, so I'm sure they've got the bugs worked out by now.

msm20032003

02-12-2006, 08:25 PM

I've owned my 3rd Toyota and have had no problems yet. I dont really care about the "Initial Quality" I am more concerned with Long term reliability when the warranty expires.

84Cressida

02-12-2006, 08:27 PM

Buick isnt really luxury. Its an alternative to Chevy with grandpa in mind. I love buicks though.
How can someone love ancient, crappy, grandpa cars? Seriously, why the fuck did GM can Oldsmobile, yet saved Buick???

dsmnick

02-12-2006, 11:12 PM

How can someone love ancient, crappy, grandpa cars? Seriously, why the fuck did GM can Oldsmobile, yet saved Buick???
Buick wasn't always "ancient, crappy grandpa cars." That only happened within the last decade and a half. They're returning to their sporting roots with the Lucerne and hopefully an upcoming RWD sedan or coupe. Oldsmobile was the same way...a product of neglect.

http://www.westcoast6s.com/photos/albums/userpics/10001/normal_5860_image.jpg
http://maxmouse007.tripod.com/Media/Classics/Buick/Grand%20National/GrandNational_drawing.jpg
http://www.gmphotostore.com/images/53218344_pr.jpg
http://www.buickstreet.com/images/rays70gsx-main-tn.jpg
http://www.buickstreet.com/images/teds-65-wildcat-front.jpg

situman

02-12-2006, 11:23 PM

personally i dont see a point in toyotas rush to "dominate" the truck segment, wouldnt that put a dent in its reputation? wouldnt they be branded as hypocritical? selling priuses at one end and huge monstrosities at the other?

I never said they should. Also, Toyota is a business, they need to sell all types of vehicles. Also people have a choice, when the hybrid Tundra comes out.

84Cressida

02-13-2006, 12:00 AM

Buick wasn't always "ancient, crappy grandpa cars." That only happened within the last decade and a half. They're returning to their sporting roots with the Lucerne and hopefully an upcoming RWD sedan or coupe. Oldsmobile was the same way...a product of neglect.

http://www.westcoast6s.com/photos/albums/userpics/10001/normal_5860_image.jpg
http://maxmouse007.tripod.com/Media/Classics/Buick/Grand%20National/GrandNational_drawing.jpg
http://www.gmphotostore.com/images/53218344_pr.jpg
http://www.buickstreet.com/images/rays70gsx-main-tn.jpg
http://www.buickstreet.com/images/teds-65-wildcat-front.jpg
The Lucerne is about as sporty as stick of butter. I liked Oldsmobile as a brand, they were home to the so few innovations GM is bringing out now a days. IMO, Buick was the one that needed to go.

84Cressida

02-13-2006, 12:01 AM

Do I know 84 cressida. Sounds like Griswold.
You don't know me, but I know you. I've seen you at the planet Kaizen forums, GMI, and other places.

Mr. Burns

02-13-2006, 12:04 AM

Mr. Burns

02-13-2006, 12:05 AM

You don't know me, but I know you. I've seen you at the planet Kaizen forums, GMI, and other places.

are you "perfectionist"?

84Cressida

02-13-2006, 12:08 AM

are you "perfectionist"?
No, but he's at this forum, but I shall not reveal his name (he & I are good pals). I know all the regulars at GMI like you, FordRules, giagastormer, desmo9, nsap, ricers-shaft-big3, Infiniti Z350, SobeSVT, and more. I frequent a lot of domestic car forums to see whats up.

1000 POSTS :clap: :clap: :whatwhat:

91MR2quickNA

02-13-2006, 12:33 AM

84Cressida

02-13-2006, 12:34 AM

LOL I think it's funny that the GMI guys came here. The thread on the Tundra was locked at GMI, so, why not take it to a Toyota stronghold, right?

Maybe they do have something to worry about afterall. :lol:
Thats exactly what I was thinking.

Avalonman

02-13-2006, 08:26 AM

Thats bout' the size of the Taco DC?http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/2006/chicago/07.toyota.tundra/toyota.tundra.int.pro.500.jpghttp://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/gallery/c451260a.jpgOk, Prooobably not. But look at this nice pic!http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/gallery/c458886a.jpg

TbombsGen3

02-13-2006, 10:04 AM

I work for Toyota and we had an interesteing experience about 3 months ago. They had a "training" session where we had an F150 lariat, Silverado, Titan, Dodge and Tundra all on hand. The assignment was to go around all of the vehicles and write what we liked and didnt like.

Aside from the Tundra, the Ford was the best truck there and there were still so many things that Ford could have done better compared to the Tundra. I will say that the Ford was a great looking vehicle. But, we had a Double cad lariat and a Double cab Limited Tundra. The Ford's MSRP was $6000 more!!!!!!!

I will agree with the comments about the FUSION and FIVE-HUNDRED. Ford does seem to be upping the ante a little bit, especially with the Fusion. Of course, that car is just a reskinned Mazda-6.

Toyota isnt trying to "dominate" the truck scene, just catch up on the missed market share do only to towing capacity. We have no problems selling the current Tundra. We only miss the sale if Towing becomes the issue.

And as far as the design goes, it is heavily influenced by Ford. The original Tundra was headed by the same guy who helped pen the last F150....seems as if they followed the same pattern. But with all of that, we cant wait to get our hands on them. Wont be able to keep in stock!!

Mr. Burns

02-13-2006, 12:01 PM

vasia

02-13-2006, 06:29 PM

Reading this thread, I will try and cover many of the lies and innaccuracies here.

First off, to all the new members that have come from other domestic forums, you are welcome as long as you post objectively and remain peaceful and civil. But, seeing as many of you are just posting nonsense, and are doing the very same things that you hate import fans for doing, then why are you here? These are peaceful forums and nonsense here is not needed, so to those who are trolling the forums, and you know who you are, you are not welcome and should leave.

I have also noticed on many forums the new Tundra is causing a big uproar. Although forums are mostly filled with youngsters, and do not represent the actual truck market, their opinions are a reflection of no doubt many soon to come opinions from loyal domestic truck owners. The fact that such a big uproar is occuring with the Tundra suggests that it's very worrying to domestic fans, this new Toyota truck. If this was a new Kia, or lets say the discussion was about the new Hyundai minivan, the forums would be dead quiet. Why? Because nobody would view such a vehicle as a big threat to the established vehicles in the market. The heightened emotions are also backed up by the fact that the truck market is the last segment where the domestic makers still hold a comfortable domination. It's also a very profitable segment. As Toyota, and Nissan continue to chomp away at full size truck sales, profits for them will rise, while the already non-existent profits at GM and Ford will fall.

Getting back on topic, to those who doubt how many new Tundras will be sold, Toyota will sell their aim of about 200K next year. You can count on it. In fact, the current Tundra, lacking as it is in many ways compared to the new one, continues to see increased sales. Lack of supply actually is holding back the current Tundra; only the Indiana plant right now makes Tundras, and they are worked overtime in 2005 to produce over 100K Tundras. Fact is, Toyota doesn't have the capacity to produce that much more than 100K Tundras, even if they want to. That's why the Texas plant is being built. Seeing as the current Tundra sold about 126K in 2005, it's easy to see the new one reaching 200K. With both plants at full capacity, Toyota will be able to make 300 - 350K Tundras. You can be certain Tundra sales will remain above 200K a year. How much higher will they be is hard to say, but 200K a year seems certain. It's harder to predict just how far Toyota will be able to increase sales. Just don't be surprised to see Toyota selling 300K Tundras a year.

Domestic fans can laugh all they want, but the Tacoma for instance is already the best selling midsize truck, and it's approaching 200K sales annually.

To those who asked why the Tundra was revealed so early, the answer is this: marketing. Toyota started off by revealing only some general specs, and showing only the double cab (access cab equivalent) so far. Toyota has let people know they have a new 5.7L V8, but is keeping it's specs under wraps on purpose. Toyota is very well aware of GM's coming new trucks, and the NY show in April seems very likely as the date when they will be premiered. You can bet Toyota will have something prepared. It's very likely the full crew cab Tundra may be shown at new York, possibly with an 8 foot bed, and likely with different interior trim, and loaded with options, like navigation and the backup camera. Toyota is being very coy and cautious with the new Tundra because it wants to steal the thunder from GM at every chance they get. They specifically want to steal the thunder when GM shows its new trucks for the first time.

Some domestic fans believe Toyota has nothing special with the new Tundra, and that is has revealed everything. You could not be more wrong. Just like GM will possibly have surprises with its new trucks, Toyota still holds surprises in store with the new Tundra. The crew cab Tundra, much to the dismay of domestic fans, will be an enormous truck, almost as big as an HD GM or HD Ford truck. Toyota realizes for them to make a difference in this segment, they need to not just match, but beat the best of what the competition has to offer. So yes, that means beating, at least on some levels, what the new GM trucks will offer.

What I also meant by marketing is that Toyota will launch a MASSIVE marketing campaign with the new Tundra. Don't believe me? Check out the display Toyota has up at the Chicago show for the new Tundra; it's an interactive display, that immerses people in a ranch, logging camp, and construction site, to demonstrate the new Tundra. Toyota also has a mini-site open at Toyota.com, that illustrates the same type of marketing as the Chicago display. Toyota is using stories from real truckers to demonstrate that the new Tundra is capable. It's also doing this to change perceptions amoung truck buyers. Toyota's continuing involvement in the NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series will also help loyal domestic buyers open up to buying a Tundra. The fact that Toyota finished the 2005 season in 2nd place right behind Chevrolet certainly puts the Tundra in a positive light with many Americans and truck owners. Toyota will slowly and methodically market the new Tundra before it even comes out. Toyota knows it has to change perception of domestic truck buyers, and it is aiming to do exactly that.

To those who talk about the Tundra's towing abilities: it is NOT 10,000 pounds. It is OVER 10,000 pounds. That could mean 10,100 pounds, or it could mean 12,000 pounds. Honestly, we don't know what it will be, because Toyota again is keeping it under wraps on purpose to upstage GM's new trucks. Toyota gave out a rough indication, saying it's above the magic number of 10,000 pounds. That shows people the new Tundra is very capable, but Toyota wont say how capable because it wants to steal GM's thunder. Besides, the Silverado is currently the only half ton that can tow over 10,000 pounds.

The Tundra will use a 10.5" ring gear heavy duty rear differential. From my knowledge, this is a bigger ring gear than any other half tons out there, Silverado and F150 included. 10.5" ring gears as far as I know are the sort of size that's used in HD trucks, and typically not found in half-tons. Adding to that, the new Tundra will have 4 wheel disc brakes standard, and 4 piston heavy duty calipers. This shows Toyota is very serious with the new Tundra, but won’t reveal specifics until a later date. If new Tundra outclasses GM’s new trucks in certain areas, then Toyota will use this to full advantage. Toyota wants for GM to premiere their new trucks. GM should have shown them in Chicago, but it seems GM is reluctant on showing them early.

To whoever is moaning and groaning about a supposed “prototype” of the 5.7L V8 failing at 500HP, you are quite an ignorant person. You fail to realize what a prototype even means. A prototype is experimental, and is nowhere near final spec. Toyota’s current 4.3L Lexus V8 and 4.7L I-Force V8 both are capable of reliably running at over 500HP. It’s ludicrous to believe the new 5.7L V8 won’t comfortably handle 500HP.

To those who believe GM is the first to have a hybrid truck, you could not be further from the truth. The GM “hybrid” Silverado does not fit any definition of a hybrid vehicle whatsoever. It does not have an electric motor that aids propulsion. All that occurs is that the engine shuts off at a stop. The truck is a hybrid only by name. Judging by it’s very low sales, consumers easily see through this attempt at a marketing ploy. It seems like a last-minute attempt by GM to cash in on the sales and media attention that import makers are getting with their hybrid vehicles, more specifically Toyota.

To those of you comparing spy shots of GM’s new HD trucks to the Tundra, your opinions are meaningless. The Tundra does not compete with any HD trucks, and will not compete with any HD trucks until an HD version of the Tundra appears. So stay on topic, and compare the Tundra to other half-tons.

Mr. Burns

02-13-2006, 07:25 PM

No, Not at all. There was a thread on GMi sayin to come here and attack some Kool-aid.
Dont you want to save your Economy USA!
The canadian Dollar is almost as much as the US dollar now! This is all due to many issues such as the US auto industry. If people like you buy a Fusion,G6 or Impala instaed of a *yawn* camry. Youll save 2 US jobs. It does not matter where the car is made. Its where the Manufacturer is from. If the Money goes to dearborn, Ford can invest it in new plants, therefore creating US jobs. If GM and Ford go down(which will not happen) TONS! of Us auto wrkers will lose their job. The economy will sink and there will be alot of people looking for jobs. Making it harder for younger people to find a Job,Since there is not many left because of the sunken economy. And Gm and Ford have caught up to toyota quality.

but the US is fighting overseas trying to protect its freedom, an in a sense, you're trying to take that freedom away.....

GM and Ford (especially ford) have not caught up to toyota quality, GM is close though.

andy82481

02-13-2006, 07:40 PM

No, Not at all. There was a thread on GMi sayin to come here and attack some Kool-aid.
Dont you want to save your Economy USA!
The canadian Dollar is almost as much as the US dollar now! This is all due to many issues such as the US auto industry. If people like you buy a Fusion,G6 or Impala instaed of a *yawn* camry. Youll save 2 US jobs. It does not matter where the car is made. Its where the Manufacturer is from. If the Money goes to dearborn, Ford can invest it in new plants, therefore creating US jobs. If GM and Ford go down(which will not happen) TONS! of Us auto wrkers will lose their job. The economy will sink and there will be alot of people looking for jobs. Making it harder for younger people to find a Job,Since there is not many left because of the sunken economy. And Gm and Ford have caught up to toyota quality.

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Same old lame argument we have been hearing for last 20 years. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Go back to your beloved domestic forum and weep all u want about the domestic auto industry. They deserved what is coming at them. This is what happens when you ignore the competition. FOUND ON THE ROAD DEAD. :lol:

TRDcrazy

02-13-2006, 07:45 PM

well said vasia:clap: you took out all the bullshit and stated it how it was. which is what we need cuz right now there's too much back forth between all the toyota loyals and the domestic faitful instead of actually talking about the tundra.

84Cressida

02-13-2006, 08:59 PM

Yes they have. On Gmi,My F150 has less problems than I think... Pagemasters Tundra. And the F150 has more miles.
And my dad's 2001 Tundra was trouble free, too. And your F-150 will never make it as long as my Cressida has.

84Cressida

02-13-2006, 09:00 PM

No, Not at all. There was a thread on GMi sayin to come here and attack some Kool-aid.
Dont you want to save your Economy USA!
The canadian Dollar is almost as much as the US dollar now! This is all due to many issues such as the US auto industry. If people like you buy a Fusion,G6 or Impala instaed of a *yawn* camry. Youll save 2 US jobs. It does not matter where the car is made. Its where the Manufacturer is from. If the Money goes to dearborn, Ford can invest it in new plants, therefore creating US jobs. If GM and Ford go down(which will not happen) TONS! of Us auto wrkers will lose their job. The economy will sink and there will be alot of people looking for jobs. Making it harder for younger people to find a Job,Since there is not many left because of the sunken economy. And Gm and Ford have caught up to toyota quality.
You recommend a Fusion, G6 & Impala, and say the Camry is *yawn*?:lol: I'm sorry, I almost pissed my pants with laughter.

84Cressida

02-13-2006, 09:47 PM

It's no more boring than those, and it wipes the floor of all of them in performance, amenitys & quality.

cam2Xrunner

02-13-2006, 10:38 PM

Fusion....
http://www.edmunds.com/media/roadtests/roadtest/06.ford.fusion/06.ford.fusion.340.jpg
G6... http://www.engine-power.com/img/specs/pontiac_g6_gt_01.jpg
Impala: http://www.canadiandriver.com/photos/2006/chevrolet/impala/06impala_ltz_3-1.jpg

Camry: See its boring. *yawn*
http://www.toyotanation.com/photos/data/771/medium/07_Camry_SE_02.jpg

Please people enough of the Domestic Vs Import bs, off topic drama, and other crap. Let's try to keep this on Topic about the Tundra and even domestic truck comparison's to it.

morepower

02-13-2006, 10:45 PM

OK the topic is back the picture shows some models the dodge fenders look like the tundras but the grill not even close only the taco looks like it and should i wish the bumper looked like the dodge.tell me what you think.
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/data/500/coparison.jpg

socalcookie

02-13-2006, 11:59 PM

And my dad's 2001 Tundra was trouble free, too. And your F-150 will never make it as long as my Cressida has.

I take it you're Cressida is an '84? How many miles on it?
And according to you're profile, you're 16. Now I'm only two years older than you, but how can you claim Ford won't last?

Lets take a look at the cars currently in my family's garage.
Mom:
2004 Toyota Sienna with 48,000 miles. This van replaced our old 1995 Astro van. Two weeks after we bought it it had to be towed into the dealer because it wouldn't start. The power door failed at 17,000 miles and was at the dealer for three weeks because of it. Now at 48,000 miles it's failing again. The steering column also needs replacing. Minor trim issues plagued the car for the first year. Exterior trim falling off, door panels cracking, etc. Recalls include the gas tank recall, seat belt recall, and a steering hose recall. Granted we bought the car fairly early after the redesign, so how many of these problems are due to that, I don't know. I am less inclined to say the door failure is due to early production seeing as how power doors had been on vans for a few years before this. It is a comfortable van though that can hold 8 people and still achieve 23 MPG, and the interior quality is pretty good.

Dad:
2000 Chevrolet Silverado with 105,000 miles. Purchased brand new. Had a power steering pump replacement at ~25,000 miles. Recalls include a brake line recall, and tailgate cable recall. At 38,000 miles the tuck was in an accident. It was rolled onto its side on a freeway interchange. After two months, the truck was returned to us and has been in our driveway ever since. The only problem since that wreck were broken battery terminals that occured at 82,000 miles. Other than that nothing. Nada. Zip. Now the interior isn't the highest quality, and little details such as turn signal stalk operation, radio reception, and seat comfort leave some to be desired, the reliability is there as far as I'm concerned.

Me:
1994 Isuzu Rodeo with 159,000 miles. Purchased at 138,000 miles. Had timing chain replaced, and needs ball joints currently. I believe it is burning a small amount of oil as of right now. But overall it's been reliable and gotten me where I've needed to go without fuss. I don't think I'd hesitate to take this over a Blazer of similar year.

You can take this information, and draw you're own conclusion but this is mine:
Toyota reliablity is OK, but quality is good. GM relibility is good, but quality is OK.

I'll look at Toyotas again. Once I can afford to buy a new car the Yaris is on the list, but I won't be afraid to look at the comparable GM.:)

91MR2quickNA

02-14-2006, 12:09 AM

Reading this thread, I will try and cover many of the lies and innaccuracies here.

Great post! :thumbup:

Toyota is doing a good job of keeping details vague, and I, too, believe Toyota is waiting for GM to make their move. Once that happens, the war will begin.

GM, Ford, and DCX will all be launching print and television ads to tout their truck is better once the Tundra is released. I'm sure of it.

tearin

02-14-2006, 12:17 AM

Amenties: Um no.Fusion is priced thousands below camry.
Performance: 2007: Fusion SVT+ Fusion Hybrid.
Quality: The Fusion has outsatnding materials. Tight trim gaps and a Proven 3.0L duratec and 2.3L Engines.

Since when was this a Camry and Fusion forum?
Just to clear something up with that the Fusion hybrid hasn't even come out yet so you don't know if it's as good as Toyota hybrids.

The new Tundra is a very distinct truck but even similar bumpers to competitors its subtle. There hows that for not being off topic and dont be telling me off topic post will be deleted that ford person started it.

cam2Xrunner

02-14-2006, 12:46 AM

Off topic posts will be deleted.

vasia

02-14-2006, 12:47 AM

Great post! :thumbup:

Toyota is doing a good job of keeping details vague, and I, too, believe Toyota is waiting for GM to make their move. Once that happens, the war will begin.

GM, Ford, and DCX will all be launching print and television ads to tout their truck is better once the Tundra is released. I'm sure of it.

I think Toyota will avoid directly comparing the Tundra to the competition, but rather will tout it's capabilities, and it's attributes as a truck.

We do not know what GM will offer on their new trucks, so we need to be equally patient and not to jump to any conclusions. GM, Ford and DCX may not have much to tout in terms of being better than the new Tundra, or it could turn out they'll have plenty to tout.

I'm not sure how the domestics will market their new trucks, but Toyota's marketing will be varied, will be big, and will come in waves.

I must give credit to toyotafanfan, as he was correct when he told us months ago what the new Tundra's towing capacity would be. He was also correct in saying the leaked photo that came out was very close to the actual truck, which in fact is true. He also mentioned that from what he heard, the 5.7L V8 will have 400HP, and I feel confident that this may very well turn out to be true as well. Assuming this is correct, the engine would also have over 400 lb-ft torque, and would comfortably be able to tow at its capacity, provided all other components are up to the task, and from the looks of things, they seem to be. Towing capacity could in fact be closer to 11,000 than 10,000 if the engine packs that much power.

Razo-E

02-14-2006, 12:57 AM

How can someone love ancient, crappy, grandpa cars?

hey, your 84 Cressida isnt exactly a quad turbo F1-inspired factory racing machine...

just cause you dont like it, doesnt mean everyone else hates it...

a truck is a man's tool, plain and simple..

men dont bitch about stupid little shit as long as the damn thing moves and does what it needs to do...

that is why domestic trucks sell so well, compared to Japanese trucks..

Japan is just trying to look for a way to sell more trucks, the Domestics are making trucks that do their job..

Toyota's trying to do what the domestics do, by making them work trucks, but still adding a little bit of, dare i say, "feminie" touch..

Honda totally fucked up the ridgeline, it isnt a truck, it's a big car...

it doesnt mean it's not a good vehicle, it just means it's not what it claims to be..

same with the Tundra..

it can do what the others can, but it's just not the same..

for trucks, my money would always go to Domestic companies..

cam2Xrunner

02-14-2006, 01:18 AM

Since we are talking about ford F150's, make sure you tell your dad to bring it in to get this (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/f150_fires.htm) little problem taken care of. :thumbup:

HoboJoe

02-14-2006, 02:16 AM

84 cressida. How many miles does your toaster have.
My F150: 99,678 Miles(not KM,Miles) Almost 100,000!
Ive heard the Current tundras have some problems. Ive seen 90's Rangers with over 250,000 miles with harldy any problems. All Ford Trucks last long. The Cars can be a hit or miss.
What right do you have to call his car a toaster? I could call your Ford a piece of shit, but I don't. Why? Because I do my best to be a decent person and respect what other people drive.
Judging by what 84Cressida has said in the past, it's been an excellent car. Don't know the exact details, but he'll be more than happy to tell you about his car when he sees your little comment.

HoboJoe

02-14-2006, 02:23 AM

My dads didnt get recalled for that. Texas instruments made the part. Ford didnt even make it! Ford took care of the matter and re-instated any owners who had damage to property.
What's your point? Bottom line is that Ford put it in their vehicles and pretty much sold people a potential marshmallow roaster.

91MR2quickNA

02-14-2006, 06:07 AM

Once the 2007 F150 gets the 6-speed Auto with the 5.4L, I bet it will pull more or as musch as the tundra.

Sorry, but adding gears isn't a substitute for power. It'll help get more torque to the ground in early gears, but the tow rating should be about the same. The extra gears will also help towing performance, since the ratios can be grouped closer together. This will help when more torque is required up a steep grade.

dsmnick

02-14-2006, 09:16 AM

Well, for all those saying Ford is screwed and Detroit is going down, I discovered this article today that shows Ford has more tricks up its sleeve. If this happens, the F-150 will no doubt remain the number one selling vehicle for many years to come, and Ford will probably make a huge comeback in marketshare.

Ford Invents Hybrid that is 300% more efficient than Toyota Prius

---Ford is developing a new form of automotive propulsion, and the implications for the American Auto Industry are huge. The Hydraulic Hybrid could be the greatest innovation since the internal combustion engine itself, and Ford is on the inside track with its F-150 Hybrid. New Tech Spy Has learned details about the system that are simply amazing and could put Ford in a commanding position in the fiercely competitive full size pickup market.
---The Idea behind the current crop of Hybrid cars is well known; the cars main energy comes from gasoline which recharges batteries that move the car at low speeds. Hydraulic Hybrids work in the same manner, only instead of batteries, excess energy is stored in hydraulic cylinders.That in itself is not revolutionary, except for the fact that Nickel Metal Hydride batteries used today are not an efficient way to store energy, and hydraulic storage blows them away with 3X the efficiency. Even next generation Lithium Ion batteries do not come close to Hydraulic Energy Storage.\
The standard F-150 has a curb weight of about 4800 lbs., which is 65% greater than theToyota Prius, yet incredibly the Hydraulic F-150 with a continuously variable transmission matches the Prius with 60mpg city rating, that’s an amazing 400% increase over its gasoline version.
http://www.newtechspy.com/articles06/hydraulichybrid.html

nyscene911

02-14-2006, 09:30 AM

Lasse D

02-14-2006, 11:35 AM

We had hydralic hybrid buses here in Denmark for some years, but the systems are extremely heavy which was why they only used them in the cities.
Wait until you see the systems in action. I'm more interested in the alternative fuel project from Ford.

vasia

02-14-2006, 12:49 PM

:confused:

I do not understand why the new members from other domestic forums are still here, making off-topic and ignorant posts.

Some of you keep talking about "wait till Ford gets this ... " or "wait till GM's new trucks get that ...". Here's a fact, were living right here and right now in the present, not in the future. If and when Ford and GM have something new up their sleeves, we will judge it then, but now we cannot say anything. We know concretely that GM's new trucks will soon premiere, and it is also concrete knowledge GM's top engine in their trucks will be a 6.0L V8. There's nothing concrete yet about what future F150s will have, or how much they will tow.

A 60mpg F150 would be practically impossible, due to the laws of physics. Such a heavy vehicle, with such a boxy shape would never get 60mpg. Hydraulic hybrids are limited only to big heavy duty trucks, because there is practically no highway economy benefit, and the systems are big and very heavy.

socalcookie

02-14-2006, 02:24 PM

:confused:

I do not understand why the new members from other domestic forums are still here, making off-topic and ignorant posts.

Saying Detroit is going down, and refusing to acknowledge improvemnts to quality in competitors is just as ignorant.

No one's brushing off the Tundra. It shows Toyota's seriousness in the market. The next few years will tell whether GM and Ford learned their lesson, or if they are still living in dream land.

AvalonMan96

02-14-2006, 03:30 PM

:confused:
I do not understand why the new members from other domestic forums are still here, making off-topic and ignorant posts.

Agree 1000% :werd:

cam2Xrunner

02-14-2006, 03:32 PM

They're doing it for the US Economy :dunno:

vasia

02-14-2006, 04:23 PM

Saying Detroit is going down, and refusing to acknowledge improvemnts to quality in competitors is just as ignorant.

No one's brushing off the Tundra. It shows Toyota's seriousness in the market. The next few years will tell whether GM and Ford learned their lesson, or if they are still living in dream land.

This is a Toyota forum after all, and you should expect lots of enthusiasm from people about the new Tundra. With that said, I agree it is ignorant to be saying that. But the new members coming here trolling the boards only makes things worse, not any better. "An eye for eye" type attitude never solves anything.

Domestic trucks have always been fairly reliable. The interiors may not have been quality, but domestic makers haven't had that much trouble with trucks. They haven't really ignored trucks like they ignored the car market. Trucks are what domestic makers still excel at.

Most domestic fans ARE in fact brushing off the new Tundra, but by the looks of things, with people throwing temper tantrums all over different forums, and people coming to Toyotanation JUST to troll and make fun of the Tundra shows that the new Tundra is SERIOUSLY worrying a lot of domestic fans.

Yes, we will see what GM and Ford have learned, if anything. The new Tundra took 7 years to develop, which is a long time by today's standards, but it shows how serious Toyota is.

One thing that I know about GM's new trucks is that the 4 speed will still be on most models, and a 6 speed will only be offered on top models with top engines, like the new GM SUVs. That's one thing that puts GM behind Toyota.

msm20032003

02-14-2006, 04:27 PM

Ford got their hybrid technology from toyota......

thecamaroisback

02-14-2006, 05:36 PM

Agree 1000% :werd:

We came here because we thought the bias comments had gotten out of hand. Just one too many "GM sucks" "Ford is going down" " Watch out Big three".. When you guys actually are objective and stop being total toyota fanboys i think we'll leave. Everyone is entitled to their oppinion, but when their opinion is stupid they should be able to take it. Stop whining about someone opposing your point of view.

Thanks.

cam2Xrunner

02-14-2006, 05:51 PM

:lol:

morepower

02-14-2006, 06:06 PM

We came here because we thought the bias comments had gotten out of hand. Just one too many "GM sucks" "Ford is going down" " Watch out Big three".. When you guys actually are objective and stop being total toyota fanboys i think we'll leave. Everyone is entitled to their oppinion, but when their opinion is stupid they should be able to take it. Stop whining about someone opposing your point of view.

Thanks.this is funny they close the toyota bashing thread at gmi and you come here cause your bored you post toyota bashing crap and kool aid, and you dont like what you read and you whine like little gm fanboys, now your going to straighten us out or you wont leave oh brother, gm is truellly down the crapper they need you to stop us. What are you 12 years old :lol: :lol:

dsmnick

02-14-2006, 06:33 PM

Ford got their hybrid technology from toyota......
More like Ford bought the patents to portions of Toyota's hybrid technology because certain aspects the hybrid engine Ford had developed in-house were similar to Toyota's. In exchange for rights to the patents, Ford gave Toyota patents for its diesel technology since Toyota had developed a similar diesel engine to Ford's existing one. Both Ford and Toyota have acknowledged that Ford received no assistance in developing its hybrid engine.

84Cressida

02-14-2006, 06:52 PM

84 cressida. How many miles does your toaster have.
My F150: 99,678 Miles(not KM,Miles) Almost 100,000!
Ive heard the Current tundras have some problems. Ive seen 90's Rangers with over 250,000 miles with harldy any problems. All Ford Trucks last long. The Cars can be a hit or miss.
How dare you call my car a toaster. My high quality, reliable, Toyota Cressida has 150,000 miles on it, with no problems whatsover. It has ran into sleeping bags, been in an accident, and was almost rolled, yet it's still running, and shows no sign of quitting. My father's Tundra was trouble free, and the Tundra is the highest ranked fullsize truck by Consumer Reports.

Tell that Ford trucks comment to our friend whose 2004 F-350 would constantly be in the shop.

84Cressida

02-14-2006, 06:53 PM

What right do you have to call his car a toaster? I could call your Ford a piece of shit, but I don't. Why? Because I do my best to be a decent person and respect what other people drive.
Judging by what 84Cressida has said in the past, it's been an excellent car. Don't know the exact details, but he'll be more than happy to tell you about his car when he sees your little comment.
Thank you, HoboJoe.

Corona67

02-15-2006, 12:09 AM

[quote=vasia]:confused:

I do not understand why the new members from other domestic forums are still here, making off-topic and ignorant posts. [quote]

Simple: They know very well what happened when Toyota and others targeted the car market. Now, Toyota has finally zeroed in on the Big Threes' bread-and-butter; overpriced gas-guzzlers, and the domestic fans are scared.

The comments about "Detroit going down" which have apparently upset our fellow truck fans are right on target (if overly antagonistic), but the domestic fans seem to deliberately misunderstand the context. Toyota has been steadily increasing its market share over the last three decades while the "domestics" have been losing. The reasons for this are academic at this point; everyone here knows why.

The new Tundra simply represents the period at the end of the domestics' apparent death sentence. The product line of "domestic" manufacturers will soon be completely surrounded by the competition. If history can predict the future; the so-called domestics don't have much life left-maybe twenty years or so.

Don't get me wrong; I don't wish ill will on the employees of the Big Three. But their "leaders" have had more than a century to perfect the automobile, and in a nearly uninterrupted timeline, unlike the competition. If they are content to keep the status quo, I don't see much of a future for them.

That would be a trajedy, but that is the way that a capitalist, business-centered economy is supposed to work.

C

socalcookie

02-15-2006, 01:10 AM

This is a Toyota forum after all, and you should expect lots of enthusiasm from people about the new Tundra. With that said, I agree it is ignorant to be saying that. But the new members coming here trolling the boards only makes things worse, not any better. "An eye for eye" type attitude never solves anything.

Domestic trucks have always been fairly reliable. The interiors may not have been quality, but domestic makers haven't had that much trouble with trucks. They haven't really ignored trucks like they ignored the car market. Trucks are what domestic makers still excel at.

Most domestic fans ARE in fact brushing off the new Tundra, but by the looks of things, with people throwing temper tantrums all over different forums, and people coming to Toyotanation JUST to troll and make fun of the Tundra shows that the new Tundra is SERIOUSLY worrying a lot of domestic fans.

Yes, we will see what GM and Ford have learned, if anything. The new Tundra took 7 years to develop, which is a long time by today's standards, but it shows how serious Toyota is.

One thing that I know about GM's new trucks is that the 4 speed will still be on most models, and a 6 speed will only be offered on top models with top engines, like the new GM SUVs. That's one thing that puts GM behind Toyota.

I agree.

GM can not get those 6 speeds in there fast enough. This is another point where we will see if they are actually listening to the press and will be smart to put the 6 speeds in from the start, or if they will stick with their old ways. I drove my dad's Silverado on the freeway the other day and was constantly proding it from 4th to 3rd to maintain 75. Don't have to do that in the Sienna or Rodeo. 4 speeds are ok around town, but on the highway, in order to achieve similar mileage they have to gear them so tall, it's approaching on defeat of the purpose because you're always trying to get the stupid thing to downshift. It is smooth during all that shifting though.
Speaking of trannys, has Toyota fixed that lurching yet? The Sienna does it, and a rental Tundra we had did it too. Once that's fixed, they will have some pretty nice trannys.

Rumored out put for the 5.7 i-Force is 350-400 hp right?

CACressida

02-15-2006, 03:45 AM

What lurching? All the auto trans cars i've driven act the same. If your talking about letting your foot off the brake and the car moves, all the autos cars do that.

vasia

02-15-2006, 04:08 PM

Not true. Ford made over 100 patients on the system for the escape. Ford owns volvo. Volvo partly developed the hybrid with ford. Volvo had the system for a while while they devolped it with ford. Toyota paid volvo some money and developed with volvo a slightly changed system from the Ford/Volvo system. Ford took the origianal system and they slightly changed it. So technicly Toyota goth their technology from Ford.

More misinformation yet again. :disappoin

Toyota originally developed it's hybrid system and CVT tranny in part with Aisin. In case you didn't know, Aisin has very close ties to Toyota, and it can practically be considered a part of Toyota. Now when development was in the latter stages, Toyota decided to take development in-house. So when Toyota stopped development with Aisin, Ford/Volvo came in, and they developed a CVT tranny along with certain parts of Ford's hybrid tech. That development was a continuation of the original work done by Aisin and Toyota. This is the reason why Ford's hybrid system is similar to Toyota, and the reason why they bought patents from Toyota.

Yes, technically Ford developed their system all on their own without Toyota, but they did not start from scratch, as the original work Toyota and Aisin had done.

socalcookie

02-15-2006, 10:08 PM

What lurching? All the auto trans cars i've driven act the same. If your talking about letting your foot off the brake and the car moves, all the autos cars do that.
I know that.:lol:
Hesitation may be a better term for it.
Say you're slowing for a corner, take the corner about 10 MPH, then give it some gas after the turn, the tranny hesitates a moment, then jerks into gear. Our Sienna does it, the rental Tundra, Camry and Siennas we've had did it too. I've heard complaints from every car with the 5 speed auto from Camry to RX330 about the same issue, and was suprised when the Tundra did it because it was a completly different tranny.
If they've fixed that with the new 6 speeds they should be fine, if not, it's really a REALLY annoying characteristic.

84Cressida

02-15-2006, 10:55 PM

Theres an article somewhere wgich gives the details of the hybird.
No way in hell Toyota is using a Ford/Volvo hybrid system. Toyota has had hybrids since 1997, and started development of them even when the Cressida still existed.

HoboJoe

02-16-2006, 12:30 AM

I have a question. These tires seem a little low-profile for a truck. Are these rims for show or are they going to be on the production model?
http://www.autoblog.com/media/2006/02/01-07-Tundra.jpg

morepower

02-16-2006, 12:45 AM

I have a question. These tires seem a little low-profile for a truck. Are these rims for show or are they going to be on the production model?
http://www.autoblog.com/media/2006/02/01-07-Tundra.jpgthey are 20" wheels and are an option tires are probably 275/55/20 or something close
i think they look small.

morepower

02-16-2006, 12:51 AM

heres my comparo of the bugs bunny opera they look alike tiny legs fat body
she fat or what
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/data/500/pig_truck.jpg

morepower

02-16-2006, 01:12 AM

heres a ts member post his name is i_am_bazzy its a sport edition
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/attachments/tundra/11428-2007-tundra-sport-edition-xzcz.jpg?d=1140034640

CACressida

02-16-2006, 02:36 AM

I know that.:lol:
Hesitation may be a better term for it.
Say you're slowing for a corner, take the corner about 10 MPH, then give it some gas after the turn, the tranny hesitates a moment, then jerks into gear. Our Sienna does it, the rental Tundra, Camry and Siennas we've had did it too. I've heard complaints from every car with the 5 speed auto from Camry to RX330 about the same issue, and was suprised when the Tundra did it because it was a completly different tranny.
If they've fixed that with the new 6 speeds they should be fine, if not, it's really a REALLY annoying characteristic.
I got the temporary fix for all automatic transmissions in any cars or trucks. A 5 or 6 speed manual. There, problem solved. Now you can have fun in any car. Aint nothing better than taking that corner at 10mph and floor the gas and pop the clutch in second gear. Whoooo Weeee.

91MR2quickNA

02-16-2006, 03:04 AM

http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/gallery/c456192a.jpg

Wheels on big trucks always look small. That's why there's such a strong aftermarket.

drunken_panda

02-16-2006, 03:16 AM

The story goes that Ford devloped their hybrid system seperatly, but it was so close to Toyota's system that they asked for Toyotas premission to use their patents. In exchange Toyota got access to some information Ford had.

Ford trucks might be OK in the long run, but they cannot even come close to Toyota. Our 93 Camry has 200K miles, 92 Previa 300K miles, 04 Camry 110K miles, 86 Celica 800K miles, 92 Truck 200K miles all with no major problems. Compared to my friend's 02 Ford Ranger which died at 100K miles. I know quite a few people with Tundras with 0 problems. Our 04 Tundra has 30K miles and no problems.

CACressida

02-16-2006, 03:46 PM

I think I read it in edmunds.com and MotorTrend that Ford bought a copy of Toyota's hybrid system for 25 million bux. Search for it.

Stop getting off topic dammit. Back to this nice Tundra. The slide out ramp from the concept would've been excellent option in the new Tundras. But im sure not a fan of the gated shifter in a truck. Or the manumatic crap either. For those of you guys that hate floor shifters, the next Tundra has available column shifters. Sure would love to see yota offer a 6sp manual with that 5.7L CrewCab. I'd buy one.

tearin

02-16-2006, 05:23 PM

Yeah the Tundra is really nice even with the wheels looking small but my complaint is the wheel design they look so bland compared to the Dodge, Chevy, and Ford rims. I think Toyota could have at least made them unpainted that way it will look better I haven't been really happy with the way Toyota has been making their rims lately like the Camry, Tacoma and now the Tundra painted it maybe more upscale but with a more shiny steel appearance it'll look twice as good

oneIozz

02-16-2006, 06:09 PM

aznstylez

02-16-2006, 06:52 PM

At least the old/new Tundra doesn't look as hideous as the Honda Ridgeline. The Ridgeline is too plain.

socalcookie

02-16-2006, 10:04 PM

I got the temporary fix for all automatic transmissions in any cars or trucks. A 5 or 6 speed manual. There, problem solved. Now you can have fun in any car. Aint nothing better than taking that corner at 10mph and floor the gas and pop the clutch in second gear. Whoooo Weeee.
Temporary fix? I'd call it a permanent fix. All autos irritate me(nothing more irritating than trying to merge into traffic on a city street after a turn only to have the tranny leave you hanging because it upshifted.:cursin: )
Long live stick shifts.:cool:

vasia

02-17-2006, 12:20 AM

First off, Vasia, great posts.

Now, what really kills me is the reasoning behind many of the domestic fans coming here to post. "Misinformation" of Toyota fans or a lot of them talking about how TN folks are bashing GM/Ford/DCX and don't feel welcome either...

Guess what? It's a 2 way street! Go to GMI, Blueoval, Allpar, or C&G (possibly the biggest fanboy forum on the WWW) and you'll see the same kind of bashing (misinformation) about Toyota on those sites. The fact of the matter is, if Toyota fans want to say GM/Ford/Dodge is going down, they have that right here. It IS a Toyota fan site. If I went and bashed any of the Big 3 on their fan sites, I would be FLAMED into oblivion and booted post haste. So domestic lovers, can the BS. You're all lucky you haven't been booted.:fuckyou:

Second, to the Toyota fanboys who think this is the death knell for the Big 3, you need to wake up and smell what you're shoveling. There is a reason the F Series pickup has been the best selling vehicle (as in both car & truck) in America for nearly 30 years. The Camry cracked the top 3 after 2004 when it passed the Dodge Ram as the 3rd best selling vehicle in the US, right behind the Silverado and the F-150.

The Big 3 (specifically GM & Ford) are coming on strong with new vehicles AND Trucks (the GMT-900 looks pretty good) and it will continue to be a Buyers market as Toyota continues to make inroads in the US truck market while GM & Ford race to make up lost ground in the car market. Have you driven a Cobalt yet? I still like my Corolla S better, but that car is LIGHT YEARS ahead of the Cavalier. Meanwhile, even though Ford's new sedan offerings aren't truly their own cars (500 = Volvo S80, Fusion = Mazda6) They are very nice.

The difference here is that while the Big 3 have miscalculated Toyota's seriousness in the past, they will not make that mistake again. Toyota will continue on the same path they always have... Continual Improvement. For the sake of the Big 3, they had better hope they can toe the same line.:chug:

Well said.

About the domestic makers accurately assessing Toyota's capabilities, I'm not quite sure they are there yet.

The domestic makers keep making the same old ignorant mistakes that their predecessors did. It's not just management, but it's also the corporate cultures within the company.

Out of the so called "Big 3", I'd say Chrysler has done the best to study Toyota as a competitor and to improve themselves. Although, being foreign-owned, I don't consider Chrysler to be that domestic anymore (especially with the increased parts sharing occuring with Benz).

Understandably, GM is in a financial bind. With that said, many of their new vehicles have greatly improved interiors. There is one problem though, and that is the new interiors all look extremely similar. Take a look at the new GM vehicles like the Impala, Lucerne, Lacrosse, Tahoe, Suburban, just to name a few. Notice anything? If you notice something odd, that's because their interiors are all extremely similar. GM fixes one mistake, but now ends up making another.

Looking at Toyota, their interiors have really good differentiation between models and brands. I doubt that buyers of the Lucerne want to feel as though they're sitting in an Impala, when the Lucerne is *supposed* to be a premium, near luxury car.

And as mentioned, the domestic makers don't know what Toyota has with the new Tundra. They may say they're not worried, but in reality they are, simply because so much of the new Tundra remains a mystery. If Toyota had already told us all the specs, then it would be easier for the domestic makers to one up them knowing what they're up against.

Even now, Ford and GM it seems are practically walking away from the minivan market. It seems as though their attempts keep failing, so they have "given up" so to speak. That's the opposite of what Toyota does though. When Toyota fails at a segment, it tries even harder. There are many examples of this in Toyota's history.

Toyota will keep trying until they become a big force in the truck segment, and sooner rather than later, Toyota will achieve their goal. Even though domestics know how to make great trucks, and they have not neglected this segment, they've also never had serious competition in it either. The domestics are spread too thin financially, and Toyota has a huge financial war chest with which they can duke it out with the domestic makers in the truck market head-on for as long as they want. Toyota has a solid lineup throughout, with one or two exceptions, while the domestic makers have many holes in their current lineups. They cannot solely concentrate on trucks, and Toyota knows that. At the same time, Toyota is being smart; it will only have one full size truck and one full size SUV, unlike the fleet of full sizers the domestics have.

Maybe the domestics are starting to adopt this same line of though too, but somehow I doubt it.

HoboJoe

02-17-2006, 12:24 AM

^Damn your posts are good.

dsmnick

02-17-2006, 02:12 AM

Understandably, GM is in a financial bind. With that said, many of their new vehicles have greatly improved interiors. There is one problem though, and that is the new interiors all look extremely similar. Take a look at the new GM vehicles like the Impala, Lucerne, Lacrosse, Tahoe, Suburban, just to name a few. Notice anything? If you notice something odd, that's because their interiors are all extremely similar. GM fixes one mistake, but now ends up making another. Uhh...maybe it's just me, but the Lucerne and LaCrosse don't look alike, and the Suburban is essentially a stretched Tahoe. I'll give you the Lucerne/Impala, but apparently people don't mind the similarity because Lucerne sales have been on a roll since its debut.

And since we're on it, oh my god, is that the same steering wheel in the Sequoia, Sienna, Highlander, 4Runner, Land Cruiser, Tacoma, AND Tundra? And the Sequoia and Tundra both share the same instrument cluster and HVAC/Radio cluster? And the shift gate in the Sienna looks to be exactly the same one that can be found in the Corolla with a little extra chrome. And maybe it's just me, but some of these interiors look EXTREMELY unergonomic. Buttons recessed back, shift nobs in the way of radio controls, digital readouts recessed back in little housings, and WTF is going on with the Sienna console? Seems somebody got too caught up in the form rather than function.

For me, GM interiors are logical. They need better materials, and some like the Grand Prix need a complete redesign, but they are ergonomic and most avoid odd shapes and blobs. Personally, I don't find any of the interiors below particularly attractive.

And remember, design is subjective! ;)

And as mentioned, the domestic makers don't know what Toyota has with the new Tundra. They may say they're not worried, but in reality they are, simply because so much of the new Tundra remains a mystery. I hope to god they're worried. While I said the Tundra does not bring that much new to the trucket market, I still think Ford and GM need to keep an eye on them instead of getting lackadaisical (sp?) like they got with the car market in the 80s.

Even now, Ford and GM it seems are practically walking away from the minivan market. It seems as though their attempts keep failing, so they have "given up" so to speak. That's the opposite of what Toyota does though. When Toyota fails at a segment, it tries even harder. There are many examples of this in Toyota's history.
Let's just say the minivan for Ford is on "haitus" right now. The Freestar and Monterey are certified flops, but Ford is working on its "people-movers" to be released for 2008. And seeing how well they have done with the F-150, Mustang, Fusion, and soon Edge, I have no doubt the Fairlane will be competitive.

Toyota has a solid lineup throughout, with one or two exceptions, while the domestic makers have many holes in their current lineups. Ford has a much more solid lineup than many give credit to. They have completely reinvigorated the midsize sedan lineup with the Fusion and Five Hundred. The Escape crossover has been fairly popular, and the Edge crossover will attract buyers that aren't wanting a truck-based SUV but want the space. The Mustang is a hit and there is nothing that competes with it. The Focus is getting a little old, but an update is on the way and Ford is working on a "revolutionary" subcompact that will be affordable and completely biodegradable. The Explorer just had an update, and the Expedition gets an update for 2007.

The only area Ford is languishing in is the compact truck segment; the Ranger sales are spiraling. Also, the Panther cars are in need of an update or refresh, but Ford really doesn't have any competition in that segment so it is not a dire priority.

I'd say Ford has a pretty solid linup myself. :)

dsmnick

02-17-2006, 02:33 AM

If I went and bashed any of the Big 3 on their fan sites, I would be FLAMED into oblivion and booted post haste. So domestic lovers, can the BS. You're all lucky you haven't been booted.:fuckyou: You know what...I don't bash. I criticize. Constructive criticism. And on all those sites you mention, criticism of GM, Ford, etc is allowed. Hell, some of the GM'ers criticize GM on a daily basis.

I think the reason some of you are so uptight is because this site was largely free of diverse opinions before. When I first came here, it was nothing but a bash fest and a very scarce few like RepinS and Silver Streak had any constructive comments to make about GM or Ford. I got flamed by a number of members telling me to get lost just because I was a domestic fan. Meanwhile at C&G, GMI, and others, we have members who are fans of Toyota, Honda, Nissan, BMW, DCX, etc that regularly post without getting harrassed or flamed. Things have eased up since I first joined here, but man, there are still a lot of immature "Detroit is going down!!" comments. Maybe the average age here is a bit younger, I don't know. But apparently those sites you criticize as being "fanboy" sites aren't so bad if auto industry insiders and even Ford Motor Company lurk around and provide inside information. In fact, C&G (a GM enthusiast site, for those that don't know) was selected out of "less than 10 key influencers" by Ford to be supplied with exclusive product peeks "for their ability to provide fair, impartial and meaningful discussion on the automotive industry and new products."

I'd say that's pretty high honor for a "fanboy" site.

CACressida

02-17-2006, 04:38 AM

Hey, I like that steering wheel design, its comfy. You forgot to mention, Dsmnick, that some Lexus models also use the same steering wheel. BTW, when I go grab a rental car, i only ask for GM vehicles if they dont have a yota stashed somewheres.

If you guys wanna argue about getting flamed, take it to another forum. Better yet, all the domestic/import fans, i wish I can dump you guys in a tree-hugging forum. You know what? thats not a bad idea. Then I'll have a big belly laugh when I see tree huggers screamin at car owners and car owners screamin at tree huggers.

Anyway, Can we PLEASE get back on the Tundra?!!

I sure wish they didn't use the Titan looking tailights. Even tho I do see the FTX concept tailights there, but they still managed to inject some nissan in there. When I first seen the pic of the Tundra b4 its debute, it looked like a F150 from the sides. But after its debute and i seen some more accurate side shots, its more influenced on the FTX. The bumper is Tacoma-ish, and rims are questionable. What still ticks me off is that they went all over USA to ask wat ppl want, and I guess nobody mentioned a factory bedliner!!!

morepower

02-17-2006, 07:33 AM

Avalonman

02-17-2006, 08:12 AM

And since we're on it, oh my god, is that the same steering wheel in the Sequoia, Sienna, Highlander, 4Runner, Land Cruiser, Tacoma, AND Tundra?
And the Camry

http://www.toyotanation.com/photos/data/523/medium/10_05_Camry_XLE_V6.jpg(Sorry for the big pic, I got it from the gallery.

vasia

02-18-2006, 04:06 AM

Uhh...maybe it's just me, but the Lucerne and LaCrosse don't look alike, and the Suburban is essentially a stretched Tahoe. I'll give you the Lucerne/Impala, but apparently people don't mind the similarity because Lucerne sales have been on a roll since its debut.

And since we're on it, oh my god, is that the same steering wheel in the Sequoia, Sienna, Highlander, 4Runner, Land Cruiser, Tacoma, AND Tundra? And the Sequoia and Tundra both share the same instrument cluster and HVAC/Radio cluster? And the shift gate in the Sienna looks to be exactly the same one that can be found in the Corolla with a little extra chrome. And maybe it's just me, but some of these interiors look EXTREMELY unergonomic. Buttons recessed back, shift nobs in the way of radio controls, digital readouts recessed back in little housings, and WTF is going on with the Sienna console? Seems somebody got too caught up in the form rather than function.

For me, GM interiors are logical. They need better materials, and some like the Grand Prix need a complete redesign, but they are ergonomic and most avoid odd shapes and blobs. Personally, I don't find any of the interiors below particularly attractive.

And remember, design is subjective! ;)

I hope to god they're worried. While I said the Tundra does not bring that much new to the trucket market, I still think Ford and GM need to keep an eye on them instead of getting lackadaisical (sp?) like they got with the car market in the 80s.

Let's just say the minivan for Ford is on "haitus" right now. The Freestar and Monterey are certified flops, but Ford is working on its "people-movers" to be released for 2008. And seeing how well they have done with the F-150, Mustang, Fusion, and soon Edge, I have no doubt the Fairlane will be competitive.

Ford has a much more solid lineup than many give credit to. They have completely reinvigorated the midsize sedan lineup with the Fusion and Five Hundred. The Escape crossover has been fairly popular, and the Edge crossover will attract buyers that aren't wanting a truck-based SUV but want the space. The Mustang is a hit and there is nothing that competes with it. The Focus is getting a little old, but an update is on the way and Ford is working on a "revolutionary" subcompact that will be affordable and completely biodegradable. The Explorer just had an update, and the Expedition gets an update for 2007.

The only area Ford is languishing in is the compact truck segment; the Ranger sales are spiraling. Also, the Panther cars are in need of an update or refresh, but Ford really doesn't have any competition in that segment so it is not a dire priority.

I'd say Ford has a pretty solid linup myself. :)

Yes, it is just you. The Lucerne and Lacrosse interiors look VERY similar. The new Suburban and new Tahoe have identical interiors, also identical with the new Yukon. The centre console of all these cars is the same as the one used in the Impala.

Impala:
http://www.chevrolet.com/i/06/pic/impala/photogallery/int_gallery05.jpg

Lucerne:
http://www.gmcanada.com/images/vehicles/2006/buick/lucerne/buic_luce_gall_main_int_04.jpg

Tahoe:
http://www.chevrolet.com/i/06/pic/tahoe/2007/photogallery/int_gallery02.jpg

Talk about differentiation ... we have a midsize sedan, a near luxury full size sedan, AND an SUV with all extremely similar interiors.

Wow, Toyota uses the same steering wheels for it's Toyota brand cars. Take a look at the pics above ... GM uses the same steering wheel across DIFFERENT brands. You can find the same steering wheel in a Chevy, Buick, or GMC.

You won't find Toyota sharing steering wheels between its Lexus and Toyota brand cars.

The Sequoia and Tundra are about the only examples of shared interiors because the two are so similar, with the same platform and all. Here's hoping Toyota offers greater interior differentiation between the new Tundra and new Seqouia.

Extremely unergonomic? Have you sat in any of the interiors, or are you just pulling this argument out of thin air? Have you bothered to read all the reviews that support the idea that these interiors are ergonomic?

You're just fishing for arguments at this point it seems. Why not be mature about it and simply admit to GM's blatant interior parts sharing?

Like I said, GM's interiors have gotten better, but now many of them look the same, and plus the competition isn't standing still. The competition continues to improve their interiors as well.

I've sat in several new GM interiors like the Cobalt and Lacrosse, and they do not beat their import competition in ergonomics. At best, they tie them.

You do not know how much (if anything) new the Tundra brings to the market, so stop pretending like you do.

Ford is languishing in more areas than simply compact truck sales. Fusion sales are still a fraction of the competition like the Camry and Accord, or even the Impala or Malibu. Focus sales are not looking very good, especially compared to the class leaders Corolla and Civic. A new Civic came out, and by the time you see the new Focus, a new Corolla will be out as well. The competition won't wait around for Ford. The Escape is under intense pressure from new competitors like the new Rav 4. Explorer and Expedition sales are a fraction of what they used to be, and are not seeing the sales gains that the new Tahoe is obtaining for GM.

By the time the Fairline comes out, Chrysler will have a new Caravan or replacement, Toyota will have a new Sienna or replacement, and Honda will have a new Odyssey.

Lastly, the F150 is a huge cash cow for Ford, and if Toyota starts to slowly eat away at those sales, then Ford is in serious trouble. Not saying it will happen, but likely this could happen.

vasia

02-18-2006, 04:10 AM

Meanwhile at C&G, GMI, and others, we have members who are fans of Toyota, Honda, Nissan, BMW, DCX, etc that regularly post without getting harrassed or flamed. Things have eased up since I first joined here, but man, there are still a lot of immature "Detroit is going down!!" comments. Maybe the average age here is a bit younger, I don't know. But apparently those sites you criticize as being "fanboy" sites aren't so bad if auto industry insiders and even Ford Motor Company lurk around and provide inside information. In fact, C&G (a GM enthusiast site, for those that don't know) was selected out of "less than 10 key influencers" by Ford to be supplied with exclusive product peeks "for their ability to provide fair, impartial and meaningful discussion on the automotive industry and new products."

I'd say that's pretty high honor for a "fanboy" site.

You have a lot of guts saying something like that.

Having glanced at C & G, it's one of the WORST fanboy forums I've ever seen, and it's fanboy reputation certainly is no exaggeration. GMI seems much more civil and objective in comparison.

msm20032003

02-18-2006, 03:36 PM

I was just going to post something about the Tahoe, Impala, Lucerne, and Lacrosse interiors. Also, the GM minivan interiors are pretty well the same.....but I guess thats kind of expected since they are basically the same vehicle, where as the Imapala, LaCrosse, and Lucerne are all different. Even the Cobalt shares some of the same looks as all the other cars. Another thing, someone earlier mentioned the shifter for the Sinna looks just like the Corolla shifer. ....They look completely different to me....The Sienna is gated and the corolla isn't...

ECHOKnight2000

02-18-2006, 05:10 PM

Does anyone know when the new Sequoia will come out? Hopefully not too long after the Tundra access cab comes out. Also I hope and does anyone know when the double cab will come out? I read in previous posts apparently Toyota is sequencing the Tundra debuts i.e. access, double cab, I'm just wondering and hoping they're not too far apart as far as debut. Its probably too early to say, but I was just wondering! I didn't see any mention of it or I missed it, will this Tundra have a rear sliding glass like the current gen, or is that only on the double cab?:confused:
And all car makers cross-contaminate (if you want to call it that) there parts for different cars, its cost cutting for the company and the consumer indirectly, there a business, minimize cost production and maximize profit margines and of course being efficient, I know there is more to it but that's the just of it. Its just some use the same parts more liberally than others. I know Lexus keeps there parts exclusive, for the most part of course excluding some engines. That's my two cents.

ekim55121

02-20-2006, 07:07 AM

that was better than porn

Avalonman

02-20-2006, 09:08 AM

You won't find Toyota sharing steering wheels between its Lexus and Toyota brand cars.
Yes you will!http://www.lexus.com/assets/models/gallery/photos/main_assets/interior/LX-242.jpg (javascript:launchGallery();)LX 470http://www.lexus.com/assets/models/gallery/photos/main_assets/interior/GX-009.jpg (javascript:launchGallery();)GX 470
http://www.toyota.com/images/vehicles/2006/tacoma/gallery/interior/photo_4.jpg (javascript:largeImage();)Tacoma
,
The Three spoke models can be found on the following Toyota, Scion, and

http://www.toyota.com/images/vehicles/2006/corolla/gallery/interior/photo_1.jpg (javascript:largeImage();)Corolla(okay, maybe not)
http://www.lexus.com/assets/models/gallery/photos/main_assets/interior/C43-237.jpg (javascript:launchGallery();)SC 430
http://www.toyota.com/images/vehicles/2006/rav4/gallery/interior/photo_2.jpg (javascript:largeImage();)Rav4(But with a new twist)http://www.lexus.com/assets/models/gallery/photos/main_assets/interior/E3-748.jpg (javascript:launchGallery();)ES 330(Found on Solara)http://www.lexus.com/assets/models/gallery/photos/main_assets/interior/RX-571.jpg (javascript:launchGallery();)RX 350(Also Found On Solara & 2005.6 Camry SE)
http://www.lexus.com/assets/models/gallery/photos/main_assets/interior/GS-493.jpg (javascript:launchGallery();)GS 430(Same Steering wheel as the ES 330)
http://www.toyota.com/images/vehicles/2006/camry/gallery/interior/photo_4.jpg (javascript:largeImage();)

91MR2quickNA

02-20-2006, 09:24 AM

At least Toyota's steering wheels are classy. My MR2's steering wheel still looks better than most GM steering wheels.

Speaking of steering, this has gone waayyy off topic.

msm20032003

02-20-2006, 10:40 AM

While some of the Lexus/Toyota steering wheels are the same, some of the other steering wheels you had pictured were not the same. Just because they are threee spoke steering wheels does not mean they are exactly the same... Plus GM uses the same exact steering wheel in their full size trucks, mid size SUVs and 2006 Full size SUV's.

CACressida

02-20-2006, 02:52 PM

situman

02-20-2006, 09:26 PM

It doesn't matter how the damn steering wheel looks like as long as it is a quality unit. Sure the steering wheel looks the similar, but you can definitely tell it is highly upgraded with better materials and in most instances better functionality.

msm20032003

02-20-2006, 09:36 PM

I just bought a 2006 Toyota Rav4 Limited. I also test drove a 2006 Ford Escape and I liked it pretty well. Then I got behind the wheel of the Rav4. No comparison. The Toyota felt much tighter and had the feel of quality (as they always do) that the Ford didn't seem to have. This was the same reason I bought my 2003 Corolla when I did. About a year ago I had to get some body work done on my Corolla and I got a Chevy Aveo as the rental car. That thing was the biggest pile of crap I've ever driven. Under the hood it even said made in Korea....thats real American....The engine was loud and vibrated and nothing felt like it was made with quality. I know its supposed to be a really cheap car but they should have made it with some quality.

Blacksupra93

02-22-2006, 12:23 AM

IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE THE CAR IS MADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If the profit returns to the companys HQ. It benifits the economy.
Toyota: Japan
Ford: Dearborn,Michigan.

GDP is defined as the market value of all final goods and services produced in a country in a given time period.

If a good is produced within the US borders, it affects our nations GDP regardless of the location of ownership of the company. The Toyota plants in the US influence this, the American automakers who move their plants to mexico and other places, do not.

A rising GDP is positively related to increased economic well-being. Every time an American car company takes production to another country, it hurts this. Everytime Toyota builds a plant here, it helps.

CACressida

02-22-2006, 12:33 AM

GDP is defined as the market value of all final goods and services produced in a contry in a given time period.

If a good is produced within the US borders, it affects our nations GDP regardless of the location of ownership of the company. The Toyota plants in the US influence this, the American automakers who move their plans to mexico and other places, do not.

A rising GDP is positively related to increased economic well-being. Everytime an American car company takes production to another country, it hurts this. Everytime Toyota builds a plant here, it helps.
You beat me to it. Its people like "FordRules" who don't understand that. The Camry is more american than the US brands. So loyalist who are bashing Yota, i say do our research. GM and Ford are shutting down plants in US and opening them in Mexico because the wage there is low. So, whos really benefieting?

TRDcrazy

02-22-2006, 01:10 AM

um........off topic much? last time i checked this was a thread about the toyota tundra

robsatx

02-22-2006, 05:27 PM

But everyone knows this. When you climb behind a steering wheel of a Toyota/Lexus, its extremely pleasant. The Avalon is way better to look at than the Mercedes S class. And the Sclass is a very expensive, rediculously overrated sedan.

You are not comparing an apple to an apple . . .

To you it may seem overrated, but there is a WORLD of difference between Mercedes and Toyota. I have owned German and Japanese cars, I can assure you that Mercedes is far above the quality of a Toyota in terms of luxury. The Lexus has done a great job but until you own a German car . . . .

your statements clearly shows you have never OWNED a fine german auto.

EVERY car maker has always chased BMW and Mercedes for innovation . . . so funny to see people show me their new rain sensing wipers that BMW had years ago. Or the backup sensors that they have had for over 10 years . . .

Then comes the handling and overall comfort. Sorry by no Toyota will touch a real Mercedes. I am not talking about their low end crap to upease to guy with champagne taste and beer money . . .

CACressida

02-23-2006, 01:08 AM

You are not comparing an apple to an apple . . .

To you it may seem overrated, but there is a WORLD of difference between Mercedes and Toyota. I have owned German and Japanese cars, I can assure you that Mercedes is far above the quality of a Toyota in terms of luxury. The Lexus has done a great job but until you own a German car . . . .

your statements clearly shows you have never OWNED a fine german auto.

EVERY car maker has always chased BMW and Mercedes for innovation . . . so funny to see people show me their new rain sensing wipers that BMW had years ago. Or the backup sensors that they have had for over 10 years . . .

Then comes the handling and overall comfort. Sorry by no Toyota will touch a real Mercedes. I am not talking about their low end crap to upease to guy with champagne taste and beer money . . . FYI i've owned a 93 7 series bimmer, and the quality is no match for a Lexus. The electronic gizmos inside were never reliable, and i ended up paying nearly $8,000 in repairs for likely the same problems in 5months. And whats with the trannys? If the car isn't warm, it wont downshift to first gear.

And btw, I don't compare by looking at the internet. I drive these cars. And I can tell you, the Avalons fake wood, and leather interior is way better looking than my cousins 03 Benz S430.

Now get back on topic. TUNDRA!!!

vasia

02-23-2006, 07:19 PM

You are not comparing an apple to an apple . . .

To you it may seem overrated, but there is a WORLD of difference between Mercedes and Toyota. I have owned German and Japanese cars, I can assure you that Mercedes is far above the quality of a Toyota in terms of luxury. The Lexus has done a great job but until you own a German car . . . .

your statements clearly shows you have never OWNED a fine german auto.

EVERY car maker has always chased BMW and Mercedes for innovation . . . so funny to see people show me their new rain sensing wipers that BMW had years ago. Or the backup sensors that they have had for over 10 years . . .

Then comes the handling and overall comfort. Sorry by no Toyota will touch a real Mercedes. I am not talking about their low end crap to upease to guy with champagne taste and beer money . . .

Maybe that was true 10 or more years ago. Not now.

Lexus is consistently at the top of EVERY quality survey, and the LS is regarded as one of the highest quality vehicles in the world.

Mercedes for years now has ranked at the low end on many quality surveys. Mercedes was also heavily criticized for the cheap interior materials that the outgoing W140 S Class had.

I recently sat in, and examined the new S Class, and suffice to say, I was not impressed. The interior seemed very cold, and very simplistic. Many features and functions must be accessed through the complex and time consuming command mouse system, and the fit and finish did not seem any better than the previous S Class. Many of the buttons had bad tactile feel, and were hard to press. There wasn't that soft, luxurious tactile feel that this car should have.

vasia

02-23-2006, 07:21 PM

CACressida

02-24-2006, 09:29 AM

Getting back on topic, over at Tundra Solutions, someone who saw the new Tundra says some specs were given out by Toyota, and the DC 4x4 Tundra supposedly has a tow rating of 10,400 lbs with the 5.7L engine. But he says the specs could be throwing off competitors, and I agree we should be wary of any specs until the official release.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Toyota, after GM releases its trucks, advertises extreme towing numbers. My guess, above 11,500+. We'll see. Im curious about the Tundra Crew Cab.

nyscene911

02-24-2006, 09:44 AM

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Toyota, after GM releases its trucks, advertises extreme towing numbers. My guess, above 11,500+. We'll see. Im curious about the Tundra Crew Cab.

I don't think they'd go that extreme. Especially after saying 10k+. There's a big diff between 10k and 11500, and alot of people would probably question it.
(And personally, I don't really care about tow ratings on half tons. Its just a pissing contest. Most people towing anywhere around 10k are gonna probably get a 3/4 or 1 ton anyway)

vasia

02-24-2006, 02:33 PM

I don't think they'd go that extreme. Especially after saying 10k+. There's a big diff between 10k and 11500, and alot of people would probably question it.
(And personally, I don't really care about tow ratings on half tons. Its just a pissing contest. Most people towing anywhere around 10k are gonna probably get a 3/4 or 1 ton anyway)

I too doubt it would be that high, but 10K+ could mean a lot of things, although I don't expect it to be higher than 11,000, which would still be impressive for a half-ton.

Pissing contest or not, it's important marketing. This is especially true with the current Tundra having a good reputation for being able to tow at the limit reliably. The same cannot be said for the Titan, which got a really bad reputation thanks to the first one or two model years of unreliable axles, and overheating rear ends.

If the new Tundra can tow at its max rating reliably and with power to spare, then truck buyers will notice it. Also, if the Tundra manages to have a higher tow rating than the new GM vehicles, this will also make truckers notice and consider the Tundra. At this point, we don't know what will happen, and it could go either way. But history shows that it's foolish to underestimate or to doubt what Toyota is capable of. History also shows Toyota delivers on their promises.

nyscene911

02-24-2006, 02:44 PM

I too doubt it would be that high, but 10K+ could mean a lot of things, although I don't expect it to be higher than 11,000, which would still be impressive for a half-ton.

Pissing contest or not, it's important marketing. This is especially true with the current Tundra having a good reputation for being able to tow at the limit reliably. The same cannot be said for the Titan, which got a really bad reputation thanks to the first one or two model years of unreliable axles, and overheating rear ends.

If the new Tundra can tow at its max rating reliably and with power to spare, then truck buyers will notice it. Also, if the Tundra manages to have a higher tow rating than the new GM vehicles, this will also make truckers notice and consider the Tundra. At this point, we don't know what will happen, and it could go either way. But history shows that it's foolish to underestimate or to doubt what Toyota is capable of. History also shows Toyota delivers on their promises.

I agree with you on pretty much everything. I said that Toyota won't see what GM's rating is, and then release a rating just higher to say that their better. Most likely there is still testing going on to get an accurate figure on the rating. And tweaking to be done to the 5.7 to maximize longevity and fuel economy while maintaining power, which is why no HP and torque figures yet.

My point about tow rating isn't that it isn't important for advertising, but for me it def. wouldn't make or brake the deal. I wouldn't tow near the limit with a half ton, I'd just bump upto a 3/4. I'd rather know that I'm nowhere near my limit(regardless of whoever makes the truck) than right at it. Thats just my personal preference.

CACressida

02-24-2006, 03:00 PM

Yes, i've read I think it was Fourwheeler magazine that busted the Titans rear end. I have lots of buddies with Tundras, and the way they workem and rack up so many miles leaves their friends dumbfounded. If the previous generation Tundra, and the rest of Toyotas work horses were abused and proved to the world they are capable, then I have no worries on this new Tundra. Its just making something good alot better. I myself wouldnt want to tow 7,000lbs in a 1/2 ton no matter what its rating is. Seems silly if you ask me. But if maybe I gotta tow equipment around the construction yards, then it makes sense to have a high tow capacity.

msm20032003

02-26-2006, 06:02 PM

when will this thing actually be available?

91MR2quickNA

02-27-2006, 10:15 AM

Releasing a tow rating in excess of 10,000lbs is to give the media and public an idea of how capable both the components and the engine of the new Tundra are.

The engine must be putting out some healthy torque numbers, but I wanna know if the axle shafts mimic those of 3/4 tons or 1/2 tons. Like full floating or semi-floating.

Here's some useful information:

2007 Tundra Access Cab:
(inches)
Overall length: 228.7
Overall width: 79.9
Overall height: 76.4
Wheelbase: 145.7

2006 F-150 SuperCab 4WD:
Overall length: 229.8
Overall width: 78.9
Overall height: 75.6
Wheelbase: 144.4

2006 Silverado LT1 Ext. Cab 4WD:
Overall length: 230.2
Overall width: 78.5
Overall height: 73.9
Wheelbase: 143.5

bdog12

03-01-2006, 02:45 PM

All I gotta say is this thing looks TOUGH!!!! I had my heart set on getting a double cab as soon as I paid my '02 Access Cab off, but now I'm definitely waiting for this monster. Finally Toyota steps up to the big kids table. Nice job.

Blacksupra93

03-01-2006, 03:20 PM

just a heads up...

some guy over at tundra solutions has claimed to have seen a preview of this and the larger cab version comparing them to some other trucks. check it out.

he says theyre talking 355hp and 380 torque, 10,500 towing

link to page 10 of the thread http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/tundra/57717-2007-tundra-part-3-a-10/

HoboJoe

03-01-2006, 03:41 PM

Only 355hp? Well, look what the Titan can do with only 305hp. All it needs is better a better rear end and it would be much better.

bdog12

03-01-2006, 03:45 PM

I'm liking what I'm hearing/reading. Looking to have a new addition to the family this year, so the bigger rear seats are of importance to me......Hopefully the Access Cab or whatever they're gonna call it, will fulfill my need there......'07 is looking good already

kevynb

03-03-2006, 04:48 AM

Sure, pretty good response... but there are a few things you are missing. The Big three has always owned the truck market, with Ford and Chevy combinded they have like 65 percent market share in that area. I conceed that the passenger car market was like that in the good old days before the imports started making high quality products. They caught the big three off guard and they haven't been able to put out a good competitor. But now the imports are a threat and the Big Three know it. Right now, they have the advantage and I don't think Toyota has put up a solid competitor with its new Tundra. Sure it competes with all of the trucks in the market now, but there is not one aspect of this new truck that sets it apart from its competitors, other than that its a Toyota, which right now is a good thing to have considering how this brand is perceived. See there is something called perceived quality and actual quality. And right now Toyota is winning the war in that area. But we all know that GM is scoring up with Toyota in actual quality, just check the latest J.D. report. In the full size truck market, the Big Three rule, and its going to take something original and different to break into that market. The new Tundra just doesn't fit that bill.
And don't rip on the Camaro until something as beautiful or powerful comes out of Toyota. (which will never happen)

will someone intelligent reply to this instead of a bias moron?

kevynb

03-03-2006, 04:49 AM

I hate to get off topic, but your beloved slomaro has been dead for a while! Long live ford! Oh by the way the Toyota Supra Twin supercharged will kill any slomaro! There is your Toyota

nyscene911

03-03-2006, 08:13 AM

I hate to get off topic, but your beloved slomaro has been dead for a while! Long live ford! Oh by the way the Toyota Supra Twin supercharged will kill any slomaro! There is your Toyota

twin supercharged? :confused:

Avalonman

03-03-2006, 08:18 AM

vasia

03-03-2006, 12:00 PM

Only 355hp? Well, look what the Titan can do with only 305hp. All it needs is better a better rear end and it would be much better.

Those numbers of 355/380 have been going around for quite a while now. Those who saw the new Tundra and saw those numbers believe they are not final, and Toyota may one-up the competition. Even if these turn out to be final numbers, they are still awesome, and could likely be class leading.

Avalonman

03-03-2006, 01:48 PM

I was wondering. Since Dodge already came out with the Ram Mega cab, is Toyota making some changes to the Tundra DC? Because, that Access cab looks just as big as the current DC.

AvalonMan96

03-03-2006, 03:05 PM

I hate when other people come into a Toyota Thread, and talk about other cars(Ford, Chevy)

:werd:

Cabanon

03-08-2006, 11:13 AM

i wonder how high this truck is gonna sell.
price are too damn high for the tundra & tacoma.
for the same thing, you can get a Dodge Dakota for almost 13k less!
toyota gotta change their mind in the additional Group. if you, as a customer, want under grill for extra protection when you work in forest, you gotta take group B which is over 5k, if you want 4x4 double cab, its an additional 7k!!
My friend wanted a Tacoma badly, but at a price tag of 49k CAN. he said no, he went to dodge and had a Dakota double cab 4x4 v8 auto with under protection, in dash 6-cd changer with A/C for only 35k CAN.
i love toyota, but truck are too fucking high compared to other brand.

my 2 cents!

ducatista

03-08-2006, 01:23 PM

Although I really do like the looks of the new Tundra, it is beginning to look a bit Dodge-ish. Not necessarily a bad thing, but.....

morepower

03-08-2006, 04:41 PM

Although I really do like the looks of the new Tundra, it is beginning to look a bit Dodge-ish. Not necessarily a bad thing, but.....Doesnt look like a dodge looks like a taco, i think the dodge looks way better.http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/data/500/coparison.jpg

Avalonman

03-08-2006, 05:24 PM

Doesnt look like a dodge looks like a taco, i think the dodge looks way better.http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/data/500/coparison.jpgOk, Now something is definatly wrong.

TRD4EVR

03-09-2006, 12:02 AM

Ok, Now something is definatly wrong.

When I saw the new Tundra I immediately thought it was the F150. I like the new Hilux (essentially the non-US Tacoma) front end. Less busy than the Taco and new Tundra.
This pic makes the Hilux resemble a smaller version of the new Tundra (chrome side mirrors, chrome door handles).
http://www.whatvan.co.uk/Hi-Res-Pics/Hilux-LP1hr.jpg

socalcookie

03-09-2006, 01:30 PM

I don't see what others are saying about the styling
I'm no big Toyota fan, but the only other truck I think it resembles is the Tacoma.
The closest resemblance I see to any other truck is the basic grill shape of an F-150.

TBOSS

03-09-2006, 02:30 PM

It is awsome to see such a well thought out product being launched in one of the hardest segments to break into.

We are taking orders on this vehicle based only on pictures and stats from newspapers and of course TOYOTANATION.COM.

It is a great site and forum to refer old and new customers to.

:clap:

morepower

03-09-2006, 05:18 PM

Z28Wilson

03-09-2006, 08:08 PM

Those numbers of 355/380 have been going around for quite a while now. Those who saw the new Tundra and saw those numbers believe they are not final, and Toyota may one-up the competition. Even if these turn out to be final numbers, they are still awesome, and could likely be class leading.

Would 355/380 be for the top-of-the-line 5.7? If so, it will not out-muscle GM. GMT-900 SUVs are already available with the 6.2 making over 400 HP.

holla

03-09-2006, 08:39 PM

Yes but thats in the TOP LINE denali/caddies!

When lexus brings us a truck, then we would have 400

Z28Wilson

03-09-2006, 09:48 PM

Yes but thats in the TOP LINE denali/caddies!

For now, yes. But GM knows the score, and few would be surprised to see that engine make it into the 1500 HD. They want to put the Hemi Ram in its place.

Avalonman

03-10-2006, 08:10 AM

Yes but thats in the TOP LINE denali/caddies!

When lexus brings us a truck, then we would have 400Lexus IS Bringing Us A Truck? HOLY CRAP THIS Shit should be good!

05TacoSr5

03-18-2006, 03:07 PM

but the US is fighting overseas trying to protect its freedom, an in a sense, you're trying to take that freedom away.....

GM and Ford (especially ford) have not caught up to toyota quality, GM is close though.

screw that I have to drive a TrailBlazer at work and it's only got 30K KM on it an it's a peice of SHite already. I wish I had a 4Runner.

holla

03-23-2006, 02:24 AM

No-----lexus has no plans for a truck!

It would be sweet though:)

02AspenGreen

03-30-2006, 08:08 PM

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jimmyc

04-25-2006, 05:39 PM

Blacksupra93

04-25-2006, 08:46 PM

As a loyal F150 owner, I can honestly say that this 07 Tundra is my next truck.
On top of the fact that Consumer Reports rates it tops.
It will be the
Double Cab 4x4, 3" lift kit, and catback exhaust
Nitto tires and some bad rims to boot.
I can't wait for this to hit the showrooms.

Just from a curiousity standpoint. What about this truck would make a loyal f-150 owner switch? I was pleasantly surprised when the new f-150 came out and equally impressed by the quality of the interior. I have no doubt the toyota will be an amazing truck, just curious.

Blacksupra93

04-25-2006, 08:46 PM

DodgeHemi

04-27-2006, 01:48 AM

Wow, I actually read most of the pages on this post - very informative. I am not here to bash Toyota, like some have. But I am here to offer my opinion.

One thing I noticed, which is sort of ironic, are some Toyota fans on here cheering for the downfall of the Big 3. While we can all have opinions, if the Big 3 fail, you can believe it will affect this economy more than you think. So, the "holier than though because I drive an import" mentality is fine for personal preference, but it would have dire effects on a lot of people. I don't wish for Toyota or Nissan to fail, because it would mean honest, hardworking AMERICANS working at the plants would fall on hard times. Maybe that is just being a good person, I don't know. But ignorance tends to dilute an argument. Someone here mentioned that rednecks buy domestic trucks. Well, I live in the suburbs, have a white collar desk job, a college degree and have never worked on a farm. If you do a little research you will find more yuppies are buying into the truck market than ever before. I want to clarify, I don't think that person's comment was indicative of the members of Toyota Nation, but I wanted to take that comment head on.

But let's get back to the truck. Personally, I am not a fan of the styling. As some of you know, styling has a LOT to do with how a truck sells. Look at the F150, it is lathargic, but it sells (for a lot of reasons, but styling being a major reason). I am curious to the power ratings - but this is a double edged sword. If the Tundra is going to tow 10,000 plus pounds (tow ratings have more to do with gearing, frame strength and size, and weight distribution, than HP rating), it is going to weigh more than a Titan, Ram or Silverado. Weight is the enemy of performance, as the new F150 has shown. So, even though it may have 375 hp, it could theoretically be negated by the weight. For example, the Titan has 40 less horsepower than my Hemi, yet they are pretty even as far as performance? Why is that? Well, besides stock gearing (the Hemi having a 3.92 rear end, the Titan a 4.10), it is because of weight. So, before the new Tundra is awarded any land speed records, we need to take into account how much more it will weigh. The aftermarket also plays a large role as well. Chevy, Ford, and Dodge have bigger aftermarket performance accessories than do Tundra's and Titans. So, for $400 (Superchips programmer), I added 18 hp and 24 ft/lbs of torque to the rear wheels. Not much, but it puts my truck right at the anticipated spec's of the new 5.7 IForce. I am not sure what the cold air intake and flowmaster exhaust added to my truck - but we all have access to that stuff. The Chevy guys have it even better with heads, cams, boring out their 6.0 liters to 408's or 427's, etc, etc. Just food for thought.

The second issue with the new power, is that it will consume more gas. While my Dodge outperforms a current Tundra (in every performance aspect), the Tundra gets considerably better gas mileage. A big selling point of the Tundra is that has a decent V8, and respectable gas mileage. Stuff a 350+ hp V8 in something that weighs close to 6,000 lbs, and you end up with 11 mpg city and 14 on the highway (that is what I average on my 4x4). With gas well above $3.00 a gallon, and likely to get higher in the future, I wonder how many Toyota loyalists (and other peope in the truck market), are going to be turned off by this. This issue doesn't just affect Toyota, it affects all truck manufacturers. Plus, with stricter EPA standards for light duty trucks coming up, everyone is re-evaluating the modern horsepower war that has been going on.

My point is this, competition is good for the market. If Toyota makes this thing with 375 hp and 400 ft/lbs of torque, great, because I know in a year or two the Hemi will top it. Then Ford will come out with something slightly more powerful, and GM will do the same. This means when my 2004 is ready to be traded in, I have more powerful choices in front of me. As a Dodge loyalist, let me share this with you: no matter what Toyota does with this Tundra, it will be upstaged very quickly. That is the nature of the truck market and competition. Good or bad, it is fact.

Personally, I think a better initial comparison is between the new Tundra and the Titan. Nissan tried to take everything lacking in Detroit, and embody it in a new truck. They have tried selling image (with their catchy commercials) and performance. While I know first hand the Titan is not a slouch in regards to performance, it still hasn't caught on. Their sales are still lagging below 100,000 units a year. The truck has been out 3 years. Granted, I think Toyota has better quality than Nissan, but Nissan did it's research before making the Titan. My feel from the styling of the Tundra is that they slapped together different features from current trucks, and are going to try to sell it on towing capability. I don't think they are going for performance, because again, they understand you can't tow 10,000+ pounds and have a sub 7 second 0-60 time. It's just not going to happen. If Toyota's goal is gain serious market share, they need to learn from Nissan. Meaning, they need to offer this truck in mulitple configurations, with various engine and trim choices. They need to develop a work truck trim (for fleets), make a performance version (similar to the Hemi Rumble Bees), and of course have an HD version.

But keep in mind, this truck isn't designed to pull 3/4 ton guys from the Powerstrokes, Cummins, and Duramaxs'. We all know you cannot safely tow anywhere near the max towing rates of a 1/2 ton truck. Sure, the Titan may be able to tow 9400 lbs, but nobody pushes that limit - and if they do, they are getting 6 mpg's. Why is it that every Ford, Chevy, and Dodge half ton doesn't tow 10,000 plus pounds? Because they have monster diesels that tow 14,000 + pounds. Why strain a small block gasser, when you can buy a diesel to handle it with ease? So, until Toyota puts a 600+ ft/lbs torque diesel in this truck, they are still going to a niche product. A big advantage the Big 3 have over the imports - besides brand loyalty - is the heirarchy of trucks. For example, I am only 25, but I bought a new Hemi Ram because I liked the styling, power, etc. The truck has had zero problems, and I am happy. So, what does this mean? It means when it comes to trade in, I am probably going to move up to a 3/4 ton diesel (with an aftermarket that can push its power over 600 hp and 800 lbs of torque relatively inexpensive). The biggest knock on the imports is that after the half tons, they fail to offer an HD model with serious diesel motor. Of course, this is a more a long term strategy than short term. As for the argument about a smaller diesel in a half ton, I think it lacks sufficient support. Sure, stuff a small diesel in a half ton, but it doesn't solve the gas issue (you get more mpg, but pay just the same if not more than regular octane). Now try justifying the extra initial cost of a diesel, and increased maintenance, to someone looking for economy - it won't fly very far.

Cabanon

04-27-2006, 03:14 AM

i agree 120% what you just said
more configuration and lower price and that's gonna sell alot more than actually.

Blah!

05-03-2006, 05:29 PM

ECHOKnight2000

05-03-2006, 08:03 PM

Sorry if this has been discussed already,

Is there any information out there about the pricing for this truck?

I saw the photoshopped picture showing the lowered Tundra posted by 02aspengreen. :loove:

Now I have to figure out how I will get myself one of those.

I believe there is no pricing yet...as the release date is not till January. Its normal that carmakers wait till the last minute with pricing. I think Toyota will wait till GM rolls there stuff out and its pricing, not to say Toyota is relying on GM. Just like Toyota is not releasing too much on specs, as far as horsepower and towing capacity-specific. Hope that helps!

Blah!

05-03-2006, 09:13 PM

Toyota is not releasing too much on specs, as far as horsepower and towing capacity-specific.

You got that right. I checked the website and all they have in there are the overall dimensions. :dunno:

Avalonman

05-04-2006, 07:50 AM

I saw the photoshopped picture showing the lowered Tundra posted by 02aspengreen. :loove:

Thankyou. Thankyou.

Nee

05-05-2006, 02:45 AM

In that photoshop, I love how the rims are slighty dished in. Makes a world of difference in appearance of the wheels. I hope Toyota has more appealing wheels than the ones they displayed. The displayed wheels seems too bland for my taste. It needs to be dished in a little bit.

xpeed

05-05-2006, 04:25 AM

I've seen the new Tundra being tested in Torrance the other day. Let me tell you, it's a big truck. Much bigger than the current Tundras. And it does look exactly the way it's shown on the website. It was covered in black but you can clearly see the big grill that will house the bigger V8 engine. :D

Avalonman

05-05-2006, 08:01 AM

CACressida

05-05-2006, 07:02 PM

I am very surprised that once the Tundra was revieled, the heat died off. No pix, no specs, no sightings, just..dead? Only one sighting report. hmm.

Wheres the new Sequoia already?

DodgeHemi

05-05-2006, 08:31 PM

aloonda

05-05-2006, 09:09 PM

i hope the center console is just an option and not standard in all models
especially the crew cab

CACressida

05-06-2006, 12:09 PM

i hope the center console is just an option and not standard in all models
especially the crew cabYeah, its just an option. I bet its standard on the Limiteds. Makes sense. Should be like the current Tundra. Limited has standard center console, SR5 has them or you can option for the bench. But for me, i'd option for the console. I don't want anyone sitting right next to me when im driving.

Blah!

05-10-2006, 01:33 PM

:clap: :clap: :clap:

New Toyota Tundra to Play Starring Role

TORRANCE, Calif., May 9 /PRNewswire/ -- The National Football League's annual draft is now complete, and one of the season's biggest signings has emerged: Toyota is the exclusive sponsor of the Sunday Night Football Halftime Show. The "Toyota Halftime Report," will feature a wrap-up of the day's games -- along with the all-new full-size Tundra pickup truck.
"The launch of the all-new Tundra pickup this fall is the most important new model launch in Toyota history," said James Farley, vice president of Toyota marketing at Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc. "The new Tundra is a true American truck aimed at true truckers. Pro football delivers the key truck buyers that will be critical to Tundra's success."

The NFL on NBC returns to the network after a nine year absence, debuting in primetime at the Hall of Fame Game in Canton, Ohio on Sunday, August 6 at 8 PM (ET). Toyota is continuing their association with Sunday Night Football with this exclusive sponsorship throughout the entire 2006-2007 season.

"Sunday night is the most-watched night on TV and Sunday Night Football on NBC will literally be the only game in town," Farley said. "With the flexible schedule at the end of the season, fans will have an opportunity to see the best game of the day on Sunday night. Plus John Madden is synonymous with primetime football and another reason we expect the game to be a huge draw."

msm20032003

05-10-2006, 05:42 PM

Toyota is really wanting to sell that truck...which is good. This is like when Toyota startes sponsering Nascar and you could tell they were going to enter it.

Avalonman

05-17-2006, 09:13 AM

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/2006/chicago/07.toyota.tundra/toyota.tundra.int.pro.500.jpg
Is this the size of hte current Tundra DC?
http://www.toyota.com/images/vehicles/2006/tundra/gallery/exterior/photo_4.jpg (javascript:largeImage();)

buttcrackboy

05-17-2006, 11:21 AM

Like the majority of you, I am awaiting the arrival of the new Tundra. I recently purchased a new travel trailer that my current T100 or the current Tundra 4X4 can handle. Had Toyota not come out w/ a bigger truck I would have to look at the "Big Three" to handle my current towing needs. This was scary due to the fact that I have had great success w/ Japanese vehicles. I sold my 85 Accord w/ 285k for a used 92 Camry in 02 ( currently 152k bought w/ 92k). The 95 T100 has 100k. All of these vehicles have been trouble free, so my faith in the Japanese cars & trucks has been justified first hand.
I do like most of the styling of the new Tundra. I do have concerns abot the dash controls. If the controls are farther away from the driver seat, I may have a few problems only being 5'7" tall. I plan on buying the new Tundra in March or April of 07 so hopefully most of the buying frenzy has subsided. I have never paid full sticker or higher for a vehicle & don't plan on doing so w/ this truck. I am anxiously awaiting the release of the final specs on the truck. I am new to the forum & have ejoyed reading all of your facts, insights, & opinions on the 07 Tundra.

91MR2quickNA

05-17-2006, 12:31 PM

The second issue with the new power, is that it will consume more gas. While my Dodge outperforms a current Tundra (in every performance aspect), the Tundra gets considerably better gas mileage. A big selling point of the Tundra is that has a decent V8, and respectable gas mileage. Stuff a 350+ hp V8 in something that weighs close to 6,000 lbs, and you end up with 11 mpg city and 14 on the highway (that is what I average on my 4x4). With gas well above $3.00 a gallon, and likely to get higher in the future, I wonder how many Toyota loyalists (and other peope in the truck market), are going to be turned off by this. This issue doesn't just affect Toyota, it affects all truck manufacturers. Plus, with stricter EPA standards for light duty trucks coming up, everyone is re-evaluating the modern horsepower war that has been going on.

Not necessarily. Toyota has proven that technology can improve performance without sacrificing gas mileage. The 5.7L iForce will be an efficient motor. It has been confirmed that it will have Dual VVT-i and a high compression ratio (for a truck motor). The dual VVT-i will allow the ECU to advance and retard valve timing on both cams for a smoother torque curve, lower emissions, and improved efficiency. High compression won't make the engine require 91+ octane, but it will help the engine make the most power, which is especially important during towing. It's always wise to step up to a higher octane when towing heavy loads to avoid knocking. Knock sensors are there, but why would you want the ECU to retard the timing when you need power to tow? This goes for most trucks, excluding diesels.