TCC testdrive the fastest Lexus: GS450h

BEI
02-26-2006, 05:03 PM
http://www.thecarconnection.com/Vehicle_Reviews/Hybrids_Electrics/2007_Lexus_GS450h.S274.A10059.html
2007 Lexus GS450h
Can hybrid technology make a great sedan even better?


The Big Island of Hawaii is a land of surprises. Along the warm, dry Kona Coast it's sunshine, swimming, and golf. But just ten miles away, along the cross-island Saddle Road , a torrential rain is pummeling down, while a blizzard scours the island's twin volcanic peaks.

So it was an unexpectedly appropriate place to go for our first drive of the 2007 Lexus GS450h, a sedan that delivers a variety of its own surprises. The new model could very well redefine both the Lexus brand and the concept of hybrid-electric vehicles.

"Hybrid" is, of course, what the little "h" stands for, making this the second gasoline-electric offering in the Lexus lineup. The first, the RX400h, debuted barely a year ago. A version of the automaker's crossover wagon, it's proved both immensely popular and quite controversial. Like the little Prius sedan sold by parent company, Toyota , Lexus bills the RX400h as an environmentally friendly vehicle whose high-mileage technology reduces both emissions and reliance on imported oil.

In real-world use, the RX is more about feeling good than helping Mother Earth. Some reviewers, including those at TheCarConnection.com and The New York Times, have gotten just 21 mpg. Polling owners, the enthusiast site, GreenHybrids.com, got the average closer to 25 mpg, still a significant shortfall from the 33 City/28 Highway sticker. But if you don't save much fuel, there's the feel-good factor - and the access to the diamond commuter lanes with one person onboard, offsetting the steep hybrid price penalty.

Well aware of the controversy, Lexus is nonetheless still singing a green tune as it prepares to launch the GS450h. But it is fine-tuning that message. The emphasis here is on environmentally sensitive performance.

Cleaner than the average car

The sedan, boasted chief engineer Shigetoshi Miyoshi, is "80 percent cleaner than the average car." But during a background briefing, he put the real emphasis on the fact that the new hybrid is not only the fastest-ever Lexus, but with a 0-60 time of 5.2 seconds, quicker than a Porsche 911 with the Tiptronic transmission. Top speed is a limited 131 mph for the U.S. version.

Will you also get better mileage? Well, it depends. Almost certainly better than a 4.5-liter V-8, which officials claim is what you'd need to get comparable performance - and why the 3.5-liter sedan is designated the GS450h, rather than GS350h. According to Lexus, the '07 hybrid should match the fuel consumption of a stingy, 2.5-liter in-line four, rated 27 mpg City and 28 Highway.

Well, that's what the window sticker is likely to show. But we wouldn't expect that in everyday use. Sure, in heavy L.A. traffic, you'll spend time in electric-only mode. But stomp on the drive-by-wire throttle and you're going to drain a lot of that imported petrol. During several admittedly brief runs around the Big Island , our test GS delivered results ranging from 19.3 to 24.4 mpg. Steep hills and hard acceleration, as you'd expect, quickly slashed away at the numbers.

Now, as we tore through the Hawaiian countryside, we have to admit, we weren't all that worried about fuel economy. This hybrid-electric proved an absolute, er, gas to drive.

Flat-out performance is exhilarating. The throttle nailed, you quickly sank back into the sedan's well-bolstered seats. Thanks to the "electric supercharging" system, the GS kept pulling as long as there was power in the batteries. And we found no noticeable loss in performance as we climbed to higher altitudes on this well-terraced island.

With last year's introduction of the GS sedan, Lexus took a great leap forward. As the division's general manager, Bob Carter, readily admits, this is not a brand known for its high emotional quotient. Parent Toyota is trying to change that. It has set up a separate Lexus board of directors, engineering arm and design center. And the '06 GS made great use of the division's stylish new design theme, known internally as L-finesse.

Lexus chose not to plaster the word, "hybrid," all over the vehicle, preferring discreet badging and otherwise subtle visual differences from the standard GS sedan.

Synergy at work


What matters most is largely found under the skin. Lift the hood and you'll discover an engine cover emblazoned, " Hybrid Synergy Drive ." It's an extraordinarily complicated package of technology - and not easy to boil down to a paragraph, but let's try.

The 292-hp V-6 delivers power through a new hybrid transmission specifically developed for the GS450h (and likely other high-performance models to follow). The transmission can also be driven by the most powerful hybrid twin-electric motor system Toyota has ever built, which is capable of punching out 197 hp and lots of on-demand torque.

(Don't try to add the horsepower ratings of the gas engine and electric motors. It doesn't work that way. All told, the GS450h makes a maximum 339 hp.)

When slowing or coasting, the synergy drive system can recapture waste energy, as can the vehicle's so-called regenerative brakes, which create current, rather than waste heat. This power can be re-directed to the electric motor, or recycled into 40 nickel-metal-hydride batteries.

The hybrid package is smaller and lighter than that used in other Toyota hybrids, notably the RX400h. That reflects the emphasis on performance over mileage, as well as the need to provide reasonable cargo space. There's room for two full-size golf bags in the trunk. Still, the motor, power electronics, batteries, and other hybrid accoutrements add about 386 pounds to the standard, V-6 GS sedan, which now weighs in at a hefty 4134 lb.

On the road, you'd likely not notice. Nor are you aware of all the complicated machinations ordered up by the hybrid's computer controllers. "It's a challenge, when you're (switching from electric drive to gas-power) to tell when the engine starts," asserts executive engineer Dave Hermance. After trying, we have to agree.

This is easily the most transparent of any hybrid we've driven. There's very little of that rubber-banding effect you feel in a Prius or RX as the engine revs, seemingly independent of actual road speed. It's even better when you put the shift in manual mode, where it does a reasonable job of emulating a six-speed manual.

Alphabet soup

The '06 GS introduced an alphabet soup of technology designed to improve handling, performance, comfort, and safety. There's a full review on-site, so to keep this piece from stretching on indefinitely, we'll touch on only a few key features, like VGRS, which provides variable gear ratio steering. The steering is electrically assisted.

The Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management System, or VDIM, takes input from sources like steering angle, yaw rate, brake pressure, and acceleration sensors. That regulates various traction systems, including anti-lock brakes, or ABS, Vehicle Stability Control, or VSC, Traction Control, or TCS, Brake Assist, or BA, and Electronic Throttle Control with intelligence, or ETC-i.

Our test vehicle also included the optional Active Stabilizer Suspension system. (Perhaps you can understand why Lexus uses no acronym here.) It's similar to the BMW system used to variably torque stabilizer bars, but Lexus has gone electric instead of hydraulic.

Toss in the standard rain-sensing wipers, Park Assist, and rearview camera and you've got a car with more silicon and copper circuitry than you'd find at a small Radio Shack. But what happens when it's all running?

While we may be skeptical of the mileage claims, it's hard to fault the performance and pure fun of driving the GS450h. It's smooth and quick and nimble. As with the '06 GS, the steering is precise and quick and the suspension keeps you firmly planted on the road. Better yet, with the electric portion of the drivetrain directly linked to VDIM, the traction systems seem to work just that much more smoothly.

Our complaints, then, are relatively minor. We'd like to replace the mouse-fur headliner, and some of the buttons for the video display are cheap looking. But the display itself is incredible. It's the highest resolution display Lexus has ever offered and that permits a much more detailed, eye-pleasing image, whether you're watching the Hybrid Synergy Drive display or using GPS navigation.

Incidentally, the next-generation nav software now allows you to program street addresses by voice, so you don't have to stop and type - or so we're told. There are no maps for Hawaii , so we couldn't test the claim out.

Expect the powers-that-be at Toyota to be watching quite closely to gauge the reaction to the new GS450h. If things play out well, it's likely to be the first in a series of high-performance hybrids from the Lexus brand. But it could very well kick off a bit of a backlash among those who believe gas-electric technology should be used exclusively to boost mileage.

While we're skeptical of the save-the-earth claims, we're duly impressed with the GS450h's overall performance and handling. It's lavishly equipped and incredibly quiet, as you'd expect from a Lexus, but has a much more sporty feel than the brand has traditionally been known for. We expect a lot of folks to pay attention when the sedan reaches showrooms.

BEI
02-26-2006, 05:14 PM
So I guess 0-60 for GS460 will be under 5s.

Lexus used to claim "GS450h 0-60 will be under 6s". It turns out to be 5.2s! :)

Avalonman
02-26-2006, 05:46 PM
WOW.:cool:

Christian87N
02-27-2006, 01:06 AM
I like how they used the term "electric supercharging." It wonder if it does feel like its boosted?

Tideland Prius
02-27-2006, 02:00 AM
So I guess 0-60 for GS460 will be under 5s.

Lexus used to claim "GS450h 0-60 will be under 6s". It turns out to be 5.2s! :)

They also promised "well in excess of 300hp" and I don't think 339hp is well in excess :)

lexusis350
02-28-2006, 03:49 PM
I am really dissapointed in the GS450h. 339 horsepower is not that much. The 2007 Mercedes S550 has 380 horsepower. I thought Lexus wanted this hybrid to be for performance. 0-60 in 5.2 seconds is no where close to performance. I would rather spend the money on the GS 460 than the GS 450h. 339 is only 39 horsepower over 300. Lexus/Toyota lies a lot about their vehicles. 39 is not excess, maybe in Japan but we are in America.

1500wattCamry
02-28-2006, 04:30 PM
perhaps this is only the hybrid performance version? does anyone know if maybe an even faster gs will come out? IF Lexus does decide to go after mercedes and bmw, then they must step up with the horsepower race, the m5 makes 500 horses, i assume and this is my opinion that Lexus does have something up their sleeves and maybe in the near future release a 500 hp gs? big maybe.

BEI
02-28-2006, 05:01 PM
GS450h and S550 are not in the same class. LS460 beats it.

Plus GS450h is faster than S550, and GS450h starts just at $54,900.

fuel economy, low emissions...

,which make GS450h virtually no competitor at all :)


GS460 GS500 whatever will be even faster for sure.

Avalonman
02-28-2006, 08:34 PM
I am really dissapointed in the GS450h. 339 horsepower is not that much. The 2007 Mercedes S550 has 380 horsepower. I thought Lexus wanted this hybrid to be for performance. 0-60 in 5.2 seconds is no where close to performance. I would rather spend the money on the GS 460 than the GS 450h. 339 is only 39 horsepower over 300. Lexus/Toyota lies a lot about their vehicles. 39 is not excess, maybe in Japan but we are in America.TOYOTA DOES NOT LIE! Well, Lexus does a little, but They are not as bad as GM, AND HONDA!

Blacksupra93
02-28-2006, 09:48 PM
I am really dissapointed in the GS450h. 339 horsepower is not that much. The 2007 Mercedes S550 has 380 horsepower. I thought Lexus wanted this hybrid to be for performance. 0-60 in 5.2 seconds is no where close to performance. I would rather spend the money on the GS 460 than the GS 450h. 339 is only 39 horsepower over 300. Lexus/Toyota lies a lot about their vehicles. 39 is not excess, maybe in Japan but we are in America.


electric motor = low end, gas motor = top end.....it should have one helluva low end and a very flat overall power curve. It's all about area under the curve, not so much peak power(within reason).

take a look at similar engines making 340 horses. the 300c hemi comes to mind. what kind of gase mileage does that get?

Tideland Prius
03-01-2006, 01:04 AM
Yeah, the GS460 will have > 300hp since the GS350 will be making close to 300hp.

CACressida
03-01-2006, 01:26 PM
I don't like it when people talk crap. I've driven a Prius and Highlander hybrid. The off the line torque is breathtaking. Mate that breathtaking torque from the motor to the gas engine V8 and you wont have breath taking anymore. It'll be HOLY SHIT!

Tideland Prius
03-01-2006, 06:46 PM
I drove the RX400h. That's one hell of a powerful car. Got 9.0L/100km over my long (~30 min) test drive. Ehh.. that'll be roughly the EPA mileage of a Mazda3 with the 2.3 litre in the city lol (don't have a calc with me for mpg conversion)

Christian87N
03-04-2006, 02:58 AM
Does anyone know if the RX400h will become the RX450h once it receives the 3.5L, or will it keep the 3.3L?

KoboChan
03-06-2006, 10:59 PM
wow 197hp electric motor.. :smokin:

Tideland Prius
03-07-2006, 12:09 AM
no idea. Makes no sense to be for them to keep the old 3.3 litre. Shouldn't be that hard to convert since the GS450h uses the 3.5 litre engine. Don't know if it'll be the RX450h. They might keep it as 400h and increase efficiency with that 3.5 litre engine since they can lower the hp of that engine and make the output similar to the old 3.3 litre setup while increasing efficiency. So far, the Prius has the most powerful electric motor at 295lb-ft of torque (even the new Camry's one is only 199lb-ft). They might just drop in a more powerful electric motor. That way, they can keep the power image yet increase the efficiency to satisfy some of the complaints of negligible mileage increase over the RX330.

Christian87N
03-08-2006, 01:09 AM
how much torque does the GS450h Synergy drive produce, since Toyota is claiming it to be the strongest twin motor system that they have built?

91MR2quickNA
03-08-2006, 01:48 AM
no idea. Makes no sense to be for them to keep the old 3.3 litre. Shouldn't be that hard to convert since the GS450h uses the 3.5 litre engine. Don't know if it'll be the RX450h. They might keep it as 400h and increase efficiency with that 3.5 litre engine since they can lower the hp of that engine and make the output similar to the old 3.3 litre setup while increasing efficiency

The 2GR-FSE, as used in RWD models, is different from the 2GR-FE, as used in the RX350 and other FWD models. The 3MZ and 2GR-FE (FWD) share similar dimensions, but the 2GR heads are a bit bigger because of the dual VVT-i. It shouldn't be hard for Toyota to adapt HSD to the FWD version of the 3.5L and also offer a Hybrid V6 Camry or even an Avalon.

Tideland Prius
03-08-2006, 02:11 PM
how much torque does the GS450h Synergy drive produce, since Toyota is claiming it to be the strongest twin motor system that they have built?

net torque? no idea. Toyota doesn't publish it saying it varies with battery level and stuff (kinda weird since hp also depends on battery state of charge etc yet they publish net hp :rolleyes: ).

Only way is to have someone dyno it.

Tideland Prius
03-15-2006, 11:52 PM
The second motor, the 197-hp MG2 (in real-world operation, the engine and the electric motors together peak at 339 horsepower and 362 pound-feet of torque)

taken from Car and Driver... net torque