New 07 Supra....

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=204037


Looks sweet!

Is that to come here? Wow.

repost?

Pretty badass.

I am SOOOO glad they didn't make it a convertable only - so ghey.

Even the V6 will be amazing!

i think its a repost , if it is then this would be like the 4th or 5th repost. I posted in that forum btw. Everyone seems to like that new "Supra." Hopefully the rumors are true though because i wont believe it until Toyota announces it.

i think they pulled the Celica and the MRS for a reason this would make alot of sense especially at that kinda price point $50G's I mean they can't think the corolla and matrix XRS's are sports cars can they??

2 dr, 2 seater, i like it.......

some of the replies mae some good points. why is toyota aiming at the z when its almost double the price tag? the more affordable supra is 10 g's cheaper, wow :rolleyes: . unless i was made of money, id go with the z. (sorry fanboys)

Not sure where those price quotes are coming from. If you convert the prices in that article from yen to US dollars, the price is more like $25 to start. Exactly where it should be. Why would they price it higher than the vehicle it is based off (IS350)??

Personally, I dont think they should go the v6-V8 route. Just stick with the 2.5L and the 3.5L....keep costs down, and performance with still be better than any of the competition.

they should of stuck with the I6

they should of stuck with the I6

word. it's as if nobody is staying with the I6.

Nice lookin' car. I saw the IS at the 2006 NAIAS. Impressive numbers. too for the IS 500.

I felt that Toyota would get back into the sports car game, other than Lexus, at some point. So the reintroduction of the Supra does not surprise me.

they should of stuck with the I6

word. it's as if nobody is staying with the I6.


Thats exactly what i was thinking. Using the v6-v8 would keep costs down, but it wont be unique like it was b4. The 3000gt was v6, and the 300zx was also v6. The only unique ones were the rx7 (rotory engine) and the supra (inline). Not only is the inline engine naturally balanced, Toyota also has experience with them. Every supra has had an inline six engine, since it was a Celica Supra i believe. In my opinion, putting a V engine in a supra would be like putting a V engine in a Porsche that normally uses a Boxer engine. I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but its just my .02.

I, for one, am a huge fan of the I6. No other powertrain drives llike it. Even Bmw is getting out of the I6 game. But, we have to face it that people (mass market) want their performance AND fuel economy. The I6 just isnt very fuel efficient. Yes, their powerband is flat as glass and nothing is smoother, but the world, especially Toyota, is looking to improve their "green" image.

The new V6 is an unbelivable engine...270+hp(depending on application) and 29+ hwy mpg!!!


I know the purists arent going to be happy, but you absolutely cannot deny the performance.

Werd. As much as I love I6 engines, the gas mileage (i.e. in 2JZ GE IS300) is as good as a 4.3 liter V8, which is quite pathetic. Every manufacturer is moving away from I6 engines.


I, for one, am a huge fan of the I6. No other powertrain drives llike it. Even Bmw is getting out of the I6 game. But, we have to face it that people (mass market) want their performance AND fuel economy. The I6 just isnt very fuel efficient. Yes, their powerband is flat as glass and nothing is smoother, but the world, especially Toyota, is looking to improve their "green" image.

The new V6 is an unbelivable engine...270+hp(depending on application) and 29+ hwy mpg!!!


I know the purists arent going to be happy, but you absolutely cannot deny the performance.

Theres nothing wrong with the gas mileage of the I6's.

I get 19-22 mixed driving and 28mpg on 3+hour trips down the highway going 80mph.

Isn't the new 335Ci using an I6?

When will Toyota learn? Very few people will pay 50k for a Toyota sports car. They didn't with the last gen and they won't do it now. DUring the SUV craze, you would expect the 50k Land Cruiser to sell more, but it didn't. Toyota is going to have another disaster on their hands. I have no doubt it will fly, but it will be a hard sell when a Corvette costs less. The reason for the success of the Z is its price. Nissan could have easily turbocharged the engine, but it would have to charge more for it. Nissan learned their lesson with their last Z. Now there's nothing wrong with a lightweight Supra with a naturally aspirated 3.5L V6

Isn't the new 335Ci using an I6?

Not only an I6.. but a Turboed I6.. =)

someone's a little late to the Twinturbo I6 party... Supra did that in 93!!! =)

Probably the reasons Toyota is going to a V-6 instead of the inline-6 is to be able to
squeeze the engine into a smaller car so they can make more money. Toyota did have
too many I-6s with blown headgaskets. That is one problem Toyota had. I do not
know if the problem was solved in the Lexus.

GM went to the Vortec inline-6-5-4 for their SUV,PU, Hummer line. GM said the inline-6 is
a superior design offering the performance of a v-8 with the economy of a six. But does require special engineering for some of its weaknesses.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jk/at_010424.htm
Power is important, but so is durability. Of the more than 800 test engines built, twenty-four Vortec 4200's were tested on the dynamometer and all of them met the 150,000-mile target. Five of the engines were kept on the dyno running at wide-open throttle until they hit 300,000 miles - a test of astounding durability. They were all still running well!


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The only engine that blew headgskets were the mkiii supras!!! And that was only due to faulty torque specs for the bolts. Toyota/lexus has had several cars w/I6's with no problems.

As far as the gas mileage goes, the guy who got 28mpg, you are in a very elite group. Look on any IS forum, and nothing but complaints about mpg. As far as my personal experience, I avg 16-19 in the city. My best ever was 25 from pensacola to Jacksonville!!

When will Toyota learn? Very few people will pay 50k for a Toyota sports car. They didn't with the last gen and they won't do it now. DUring the SUV craze, you would expect the 50k Land Cruiser to sell more, but it didn't. Toyota is going to have another disaster on their hands. I have no doubt it will fly, but it will be a hard sell when a Corvette costs less. The reason for the success of the Z is its price. Nissan could have easily turbocharged the engine, but it would have to charge more for it. Nissan learned their lesson with their last Z. Now there's nothing wrong with a lightweight Supra with a naturally aspirated 3.5L V6Toyota is selling more LandCruisers than you think. In overseas, especially Australia and the Middle East, they sellem about 5times more than what they sell in USA. The LandCruiser is hotter than the Camry in the states over in the middle east. And the reviews of the LandCruiser are all excellent. So mistake, it is not.

The Supra I bet would be a mistake...at 50gs tho. And all of the I6s in Toyotas are very dependable. Only one model I6 has its nitghtmares, and that is the 7M motor. As explained above, Toyota made a boo boo by the loose head bolts. Ez fix...torquem to 72ft lbs.

So, if this next sports car is real, its not worthy to carry the "Supra" name because the Supra ever since its birth was a 2door 4 passenger sports car that always was powered by an awesome I6, and it was never a convertible.

CAC:

Good points.

However, a rose is still a rose by any other name, so if they make a good 'sports car', it will be a good sports car, no matter the name. Supra just has so much 'brand' - imagine how many millions the name is worth? All the 'free' advertising (as in, already paid for).

I will step out on a limb and say we will not see a I6 - just because of the packaging, the V6 and V6 seem more realistic. I say look at the IS350's engine as a hint of whats to come.

Reguardless, if Toyota does not start to make some 'fun' cars, my Camry will be my first and last Toyota.

FJ is a fun 4x4. But i still wanna drive a new fun car. Like you said, a rose is a rose. And the V6s Toyota has been throwing around nowa days are very competitive. I just hope this new sports car is worthy. The Supra is dead, and i hope it stays dead.

FJ is a fun 4x4. But i still wanna drive a new fun car. Like you said, a rose is a rose. And the V6s Toyota has been throwing around nowa days are very competitive. I just hope this new sports car is worthy. The Supra is dead, and i hope it stays dead.

Thats the same way i feel. The 2GRFSE engine is a monster that is worthy, no doubt about that. It has even been said that it can easily do more than 100hp/L. I'm hoping Toyota brings out a sports car, just not one that is called a Supra, because just like it was said b4, the supra has always had an inline 6 and it was never convertible, but targa top. Now it would be nice if it had some features that the supra had, like very nice and curvacious rear fenders, but it shouldnt be called a supra.

I dont really get all this "if its not an I6 with turbos is not a Supra". I have already stated my affections for the inline, but things change. If it isnt called the Supra, it wont be because of the drivetrain, but because Toyota never brings a nameplate back once its dead. Now i for one, hope it will continue the name of Supra, but numerous cars have changed powerplants and no one went nuts about it. One in particular is the BMW M3, another I6 platform increasing its cylinders (V8). I dont hear any of the M guys screaming "dont call it the M3!". No doubt some of them would like the inline to continue, but in todays power wars, you have to change some things to stay on top.


Trust me, no one will complain about the 3.5L once (if) they get to drive it. Nothing else will compete. And, again, where is this $50K price coming from. It will range from mid/high 20's to the 30's.

Actually, the MR2 died and it came back... It went from a wonder 3S-GTE to a friggin' 1ZZ-FE. WTF? I wouldn't mind seeing an MR back on the list. Meanwhile, what would be a good name for this "Supra-esque" car? Did anyone read the story about the "Yaris" nameplate? Check out the Yaris article on CarandDriver.com. (Nice car in four-door, btw Cute in two-door, defintely would be better with a tuned 4A-GE or a nice little 2ZZ-GE LOL!)

this has been discussed before. no technically the MR2 didnt die. it just left NA. it still existed the whole time in japan and other asian countries. so the statement made was correct. after they kill a name. it doesnt come back

Well, technically the MR2 hasnt been around since 1995. The new car was the MR-S. I know it is nitpicky, but that was the name of the car. Toyota has never renewed a nameplate. Hopefully that will change with Supra/Celica.

I just don't see why they can't build affordable sports cars like the Miata or the Sera. I mean, the Sera had gullwing doors and projector headlights in 1990! Granted, it had a weak 1.5 litre engine but still.

The Celica didn't sell well because you could get a fully loaded RSX Type-S for thousands less. Heck, you could've gotten a well equipped RSX Premium for Cdn$1,000 more than the base Celica. Price it right, Toyota.

Well, technically the MR2 hasnt been around since 1995. The new car was the MR-S. I know it is nitpicky, but that was the name of the car. Toyota has never renewed a nameplate. Hopefully that will change with Supra/Celica.

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The MKII MR2 was around until 1999 until the MKIII MR2 Spyder replaced it in 2000. If it wasn't a drop top, it would've been called MR2 in Japan. So, in actuality, the MR2 never died. The Supra has been gone since 2001 with very limited carryover 2002 models.

And Toyota did renew the MR2 nameplate for North America after a 5 year hiatus. But if it's done in Japan, it's usually done for good, as others have said.

It's also good to look at chassis codes. A has always been the Supras, just like W will always be the MR2s. T used to be the Celica, but is now the Scion tC.

I thought the celica was still alive in japan. Doesnt that mean that the Scion tC is actually a celica?

No, the Celica was scrapped off the lineup in late 2004.

More pictures to feed the rumor mill...

http://www.superhonda.com/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/72571

http://www.superhonda.com/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/72572

It cant be named the Supra. The Supra was one of a kind nothing like what this is gonna be. I betcha you can tune the new "Supra" to over 1000hp. Only the real Supra could do that. The last Gen Supra was ledgendary basically. This new car should have a new name unless Toyota can pull a fluke from out of the bag. I could keep ranting on about this but im lazy LOL. Just my 2 cents.

I vote for calling it either 2500GT or 4000GT as an homage to the old 2000GT. I think 3000GT would be more appropriate, but not enough time has passed since Mitsubishi killed that model.

No, the Celica was scrapped off the lineup in late 2004.

actually, look at the tC's chassis code... then look at the celica... find the similarity :-P

More pictures to feed the rumor mill...

http://www.superhonda.com/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/72571

http://www.superhonda.com/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/72572
How believable are these photochopped images? I say nay.

I couldn't careless if Toyota's calling it the Supra again (unlike many anal-retentive purists here), as long as they actually make one and put it into production, and as long as people who are bitching about Toyota not making a sportscar actually BUY ONE THIS TIME, given that if they are making one and if it's as good or better than the previous ones.

good point -- they can call it the Happy Sunshine Mobile and I'd still get one! Call it whatever you want....just bring it here!!!