Toyota 1-Ton Pickup?

I hear that Toyota will be building a real 1-ton pick-up to compete with the domestic 1-ton trucks (F-350's for example). Where can I find out some information about the new Toyota 1-ton truck? Any web sites have any info on that or does anyone know a release date?

Thanks for any help!

You heard right. There will be a truck bigger than the Tundra that's being planned. So far, no other information is known at this time.

I hear that Toyota will be building a real 1-ton pick-up to compete with the domestic 1-ton trucks (F-350's for example). Where can I find out some information about the new Toyota 1-ton truck? Any web sites have any info on that or does anyone know a release date?

Thanks for any help!

They are launching a new truck in jan 07, but it won't be a 1-ton.

Toyota.com has pics of the new truck (and they are in this forum too).

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NO solid information ahs been release about an upcoming 1-ton as of yet. all they are showing is the 1/2 ton truck right now.

It would seem that it would be fairly easy to come up with a diesel engine package for one because Toyota owns Hino trucks and of course they are diesel. SOrta like Chevrolet took the Isuzu engine and used it for the Duramax in their 3/4 and 1 ton trucks.

This is what the plant in San Antonio is building. I also read that it'll be diesel and for some reason I hears it's gonna be around 500ft/lb or torque. Don't hold me to these numbers, but I know I heard them somewhere. I know the San Antonio plant is gonna make trucks for sure thou.

What 1-ton truck do you speak of?

LOL I heard somewhere HINOs are underpowered so wouldnt the new truck be underpowered?:lol:

Toyota's turbodiesel engine is rumored to put out 390hp/700+lb-ft. It's also rumored to be 2-3 years away. Low sulfur diesel fuel won't be hitting the U.S. market until 2007, so don't expect any diesels from Toyota until after then.

The components of the new Tundra are already setting a benchmark for 1/2 tons to follow. No current, non-heavy duty 1/2 ton uses a 10.5 inch ring gear. This also makes it cheaper for Toyota to build a heavy duty version of the Tundra. All 3/4 tons use a 10.5 inch ring gear or larger and full floating axles.

:yikes:390hp-700lb feet of torque damn Toyota is getting serious about power. :wowza:

LOL I heard somewhere HINOs are underpowered so wouldnt the new truck be underpowered?:lol:


Underpowered is all determined by what vehicle the engine is in. a cummins turbo diesel that comes in a Dodge Ram is not underpowered but if you were to put it ina truck that weighed twice as much and was used for more commercial purposes it may be underpowered. Alot of it has to do with how the transmission and the rear differential is geared also. You can make up for low power with gearing alot. they do it in offroading all the time.

as for the 390hp.700ft.lbs, all of this is still rumors right. Nothing onthe near horizon as of yet.

LOL I heard somewhere HINOs are underpowered so wouldnt the new truck be underpowered?:lol:

Where did you hear that? I guess you don't know all that much about Hino.

Toyota's turbodiesel engine is rumored to put out 390hp/700+lb-ft. It's also rumored to be 2-3 years away. Low sulfur diesel fuel won't be hitting the U.S. market until 2007, so don't expect any diesels from Toyota until after then.

The components of the new Tundra are already setting a benchmark for 1/2 tons to follow. No current, non-heavy duty 1/2 ton uses a 10.5 inch ring gear. This also makes it cheaper for Toyota to build a heavy duty version of the Tundra. All 3/4 tons use a 10.5 inch ring gear or larger and full floating axles.

If the new GMT-900 trucks don't use a 10.5" ring gear on the 1/2 tons, it will be a definite advantage for Toyota.

So how often has Toyota (or Japanese in general) come out with the most of anything. Yeah I can't think of one case. They tend to be very conservative. For example name me one type of car that toyota makes that is highest in it's class for HP or torque.

Not that it can't be done (390hp 700ft/lb) but they play markets very carefully. The Japanese manufactures are known to take what we make, tweak it and give it back to us. Just look at what they did with the minivan, and also the SUV. They rarely make market breaking vehicles.

For example name me one type of car that toyota makes that is highest in it's class for HP or torque. toyota camry V6:D

:yikes:390hp-700lb feet of torque damn Toyota is getting serious about power. :wowza:Since that will likely not happen, I wouldn't get too excited.

yeah, was thinking the same thing. Camry V6... that is until the 280hp Passat 3.6 litre come out.

RX350? beats out the MDX, XC90, Murano, Explorer etc.

RX400h? most powerful hybrid hahahaha.

So how often has Toyota (or Japanese in general) come out with the most of anything. Yeah I can't think of one case. They tend to be very conservative. For example name me one type of car that toyota makes that is highest in it's class for HP or torque.

Not that it can't be done (390hp 700ft/lb) but they play markets very carefully. The Japanese manufactures are known to take what we make, tweak it and give it back to us. Just look at what they did with the minivan, and also the SUV. They rarely make market breaking vehicles.


YEah but what you say is pretty much what they have ben doing for the last ten years. They gave us the T100, nice start but not enough. Tundra, second at bat and it got better. They have sold quite a few and people love them. Granted you cant tow as much and all that stuff but it is better than the T100 was. NOw it is time for the 2nd Gen Tundra. TIme to pick up the pace. Trucks is where the Japanese are not really gaining any major market share right now and they know that.

So how often has Toyota (or Japanese in general) come out with the most of anything. Yeah I can't think of one case. They tend to be very conservative. For example name me one type of car that toyota makes that is highest in it's class for HP or torque.

Not that it can't be done (390hp 700ft/lb) but they play markets very carefully. The Japanese manufactures are known to take what we make, tweak it and give it back to us. Just look at what they did with the minivan, and also the SUV. They rarely make market breaking vehicles.

By "we", are you referring to US automakers? Last time I checked, US automakers have never made efficient commercial trucks. GM does have such trucks, but that is thanks to partnership with Isuzu. Hino has been making diesel engines for decades now, and it has had diesel hybrids for years now. Other truck makers like Volvo wont have diesel hybrid trucks until 2009.

Speaking of hybrids, since when did the Japanese use any US ideas for hybrids? Japanese are leading innovators in hybrids right now.

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There goes another one.

Let me reiterate my point by giving some examples. First the pioneer and then the predecessor
Willys Jeep-->FJ40
Tahoe/Suburban-->Sequoia
Fiero-->MR2
Bronco/Scout-->4 Runner
Park Ave/Lesabre-->Avalon
Ranger/S10-->Tacoma
F150/Chevy 1500-->T100/Tundra
Aerostar/Caravan-->Previa
Vette-->Supra
and the list goes on....

The japanese are masters of taking what we (US) like and making it better. I will say that the Prius was a ground breaking vehicle, but not the first mass produced car with an electric motor, that belongs to GM with their EV1. Also there was a patent infringment case for the Prius saying that Toyota stole one of the ideas from an American company (not sure what ever happened to it thou).

By "we", are you referring to US automakers? Last time I checked, US automakers have never made efficient commercial trucks. GM does have such trucks, but that is thanks to partnership with Isuzu. Hino has been making diesel engines for decades now, and it has had diesel hybrids for years now. Other truck makers like Volvo wont have diesel hybrid trucks until 2009.

You might want to check out Mercedes and Chryslers colaboration in the Sprinter van. It comes in diesel and last time I checked it was real efficient
I think toyota owns 51% of Hino and they will be making more trucks in the US due to adding a plant in California and now Ontario.
You really have to be careful jumping on a brand bandwagon these days. Everyone works with everyone and purchases where ever they can get cheap as long as the quality is good. The company I work for is owned mostly by Honda, yet we will make parts for the Sequoia and also GM come 09. This same company will also buy parts from any company that will make them cheap and maintain the quality. Case in point, my Avalon has parts from all over the US in it. Radiator is stamped with GM, and battery was AC Delco. You can even go buy a Saturn with a Honda motor in it. Today it's truly a global market place.
As far as a 390 hp motor in the truck with 700 ft/lb of torque, I wouldn't take any bets on it. Toyota is usually conservative.

doesnt the Lexus IS350 have the highest hp and torque in its class? From what i know, its using the new SAE standards. Infinity claims to have 298 on their G35 but it hasnt updated the hp yet. So if im right, then theres another car that you can add to the list of foreign cars that are the best in their class in hp/torque.

Let me reiterate my point by giving some examples. First the pioneer and then the predecessor
Willys Jeep-->FJ40
Tahoe/Suburban-->Sequoia
Fiero-->MR2
Bronco/Scout-->4 Runner
Park Ave/Lesabre-->Avalon
Ranger/S10-->Tacoma
F150/Chevy 1500-->T100/Tundra
Aerostar/Caravan-->Previa
Vette-->Supra
and the list goes on....


The bolded 4 are errors. GM/Ford/DCX didn't invent the mid-ship configuration, the compact pickup truck, the minivan, or twin-turbo'd halo cars.

If you're talking about an affordable MR car, then yes, GM beat Toyota to the market. Do you remember the Toyota Van and Toyota Pickup? The Toyota Van was too weird looking, but it did have class leading features when it debuted in 1983. The Toyota Pickup was the first compact pickup, which is why Toyota is the master at building them. Toyota practically invented the compact pickup truck market.

Yeah, you also forgot the Toyota Van LE that came before the Previa.

toyota camry V6:D
Chevrolet Impala SS (300 hp V8) > Toyota Camry
Buick Lucerne CSX (275 hp V8) > Toyota Avalon

RX350? beats out the MDX, XC90, Murano, Explorer etc.
The Explorer makes 292 hp and 300 lb of torque out of the V8, but I don't think the Explorer is directly comparable to an RX350. The Lincoln Aviator is probably a better choice, and it makes 302 hp. Even then, the Aviator is a body-on-frame SUV vs. the unibody RX350...the new Aviator will be a better comparison when it comes out with the 3.5L Duratec.

The Cadillac SRX has a 320 hp V8 available. The V6 has 255 hp and 254 lb ft of torque vs. the RX350's 251 lb ft. So while the SRX V6 doesn't have quite as much horsepower, it beats the RX on torque.

Granted, these are V8s vs. a V6, but we are talking class leading...and Lincoln and Cadillac offer more horsepower for the class.

If you start talkinga bout compact pickups you need to go way back. Datsun even had one here in the late 60's. I dont think Ford or Chevy had one here until the late 70's when the decided to use the Mazda derived Courier and Chevy used the Isuzu derived Luv.

as for hp on the high level luxury SUV/CUV. I dont know that it even matters. How many people that are buying those are even buying them for their HP ratings.

Also you should be comparing the 4Runner to the Explorer. They offer the 260HP V8 in it. That would be a much better match of the Explorer than the RX since it is body on frame.

Chevrolet Impala SS (300 hp V8) > Toyota Camry
Buick Lucerne CSX (275 hp V8) > Toyota Avalon


The Explorer makes 292 hp and 300 lb of torque out of the V8, but I don't think the Explorer is directly comparable to an RX350. The Lincoln Aviator is probably a better choice, and it makes 302 hp. Even then, the Aviator is a body-on-frame SUV vs. the unibody RX350...the new Aviator will be a better comparison when it comes out with the 3.5L Duratec.

The Cadillac SRX has a 320 hp V8 available. The V6 has 255 hp and 254 lb ft of torque vs. the RX350's 251 lb ft. So while the SRX V6 doesn't have quite as much horsepower, it beats the RX on torque.

Granted, these are V8s vs. a V6, but we are talking class leading...and Lincoln and Cadillac offer more horsepower for the class.

Yeah, was just about to comment that you were comparing V8s lol. Maybe we need clarification? Class-leading V6 power? heh.

yeah, was thinking the same thing. Camry V6... that is until the 280hp Passat 3.6 litre come out.

RX350? beats out the MDX, XC90, Murano, Explorer etc.

RX400h? most powerful hybrid hahahaha.That the most powerful hybrid. At the moment.

nissan or datsun actuall made the first compact pickup but toyota quickly took that market over when they introduced their's......a year later?

The bolded 4 are errors. GM/Ford/DCX didn't invent the mid-ship configuration, the compact pickup truck, the minivan, or twin-turbo'd halo cars.

I thought the Chrysler minivan was universally credited for being the first minivan?

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/time_machine/1288601.html?page=1&c=y

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Caravan

I think the Toyota Van was considered a cargo van, built on a RWD truck platform with room for just 5 (Chrysler vans were smaller, based on a stretched version of the infamous 'K' cars yet seated 7.)

As for Corvette vs. Supra, I don't believe a car's engine's method of power gives it any kind of "first on the market" brag rights. If we're comparing 2-seater halo sports cars, Corvette (and Thunderbird) are it.

Chevrolet Impala SS (300 hp V8) > Toyota Camry
Buick Lucerne CSX (275 hp V8) > Toyota Avalon


The Explorer makes 292 hp and 300 lb of torque out of the V8, but I don't think the Explorer is directly comparable to an RX350. The Lincoln Aviator is probably a better choice, and it makes 302 hp. Even then, the Aviator is a body-on-frame SUV vs. the unibody RX350...the new Aviator will be a better comparison when it comes out with the 3.5L Duratec.

The Cadillac SRX has a 320 hp V8 available. The V6 has 255 hp and 254 lb ft of torque vs. the RX350's 251 lb ft. So while the SRX V6 doesn't have quite as much horsepower, it beats the RX on torque.

Granted, these are V8s vs. a V6, but we are talking class leading...and Lincoln and Cadillac offer more horsepower for the class.
Wow, a mere 3 lb/ft difference in torque :rolleyes:, you're really pulling all stops for the sake of an argument. Add to that, why did you neglect to display the 270hp that the RX350 makes? Is it because the SRX V6's 255hp look ashame alongside the number 270? Not that it matters anyway. Just something that I've observed. :cool:

As for Corvette vs. Supra, I don't believe a car's engine's method of power gives it any kind of "first on the market" brag rights. If we're comparing 2-seater halo sports cars, Corvette (and Thunderbird) are it.
Even that could be argued. If price is not a concern, the Porsche 550 Spyder debut the same year as the Corvette C1, and the Porsche 356 Speedster the year after that. Both are 2-seater sportscars that are road-legal production cars, meanwhile the 550 can be driven straight to a race track to join racing events almost without any extra modification (that is needed to comply with certain racing rules and regulations).

If you're talking about an affordable MR car, then yes, GM beat Toyota to the market.
Even this could be argued also. Although technically, yes the Fiero came out in 1983, a year before the MR2. BUT, it wasn't as if Toyota just produce the MR2 immediately a year after in response to the Fiero, I don't even think Toyota produced it because of the Fiero.

The MR2's prototype was first debut in 1981, dubbed the SA-X, a mid-engine rear-drive 2-seater sportscar. Then in 1983, Toyota showed the SV-3 prototype that looked almost exactly like the production MR2 in the proceding year. Apparently, Lotus was Toyota's consultant for the MR2's development, probably in chassis development since that's Lotus's expertise.

Originally Posted by fj40supraman
Let me reiterate my point by giving some examples. First the pioneer and then the predecessor
Willys Jeep-->FJ40
Tahoe/Suburban-->Sequoia
Fiero-->MR2
Bronco/Scout-->4 Runner
Park Ave/Lesabre-->Avalon
Ranger/S10-->Tacoma
F150/Chevy 1500-->T100/Tundra
Aerostar/Caravan-->Previa
Vette-->Supra
and the list goes on....

The bolded 4 are errors. GM/Ford/DCX didn't invent the mid-ship configuration, the compact pickup truck, the minivan, or twin-turbo'd halo cars.

If you're talking about an affordable MR car, then yes, GM beat Toyota to the market. Do you remember the Toyota Van and Toyota Pickup? The Toyota Van was too weird looking, but it did have class leading features when it debuted in 1983. The Toyota Pickup was the first compact pickup, which is why Toyota is the master at building them. Toyota practically invented the compact pickup truck market.

Remember we are talking about classes of cars not engines (twin turbo'd halo cars). I believe the Supra was a direct answer to the Corvette. Later in it's life of course, not the celica/supra config. First gen looked like a dodge daytona to me. Probably had about the same power too!:lol: Actually your wrong about the pickup too, volkswagon was the first to make a small pickup that I know was before the pre-runner of which the 4-Runner was later built on. Looks like the ranger came out the same time the Toy did, if not earlier. http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=49541
Post above answers about the minivan. I'm guessing the Chrysler was the first uni-body minivan (not built on frame rails like a truck), but I could be wrong.
Just wanted to prove my examples, correct me if I'm wrong.

Even that could be argued. If price is not a concern, the Porsche 550 Spyder debut the same year as the Corvette C1

Oh, I won't debate the fact that Corvette and T-bird came about because of the American desire to "get in the game" when it came to halo sports cars. What isn't open to debate is that Corvette has owned all would-be competitors in its niche. Thunderbird couldn't compete and has gone through many configurations, RX-7 and Supra came and went...Porsche is just about the only company to hang in there despite the fact that the similarly-priced Boxster is a distant second in sales....

I believe Toyota was the first Van to become a modern van. The Previa was the first to have IRS and rack and pinon steering. Also the first to have dual front airbags, side impact door beam and CMHSL.

Let me reiterate my point by giving some examples. First the pioneer and then the predecessor ....

Ranger/S10-->Tacoma ....

In general, your point is well taken. On this one, though, you're 'way off base. It was the Japanese who invented the mini-pickup format. HiLux and Datson pickups were available (at least on the West Coast) back in the 60's. It wouldn't be until later that GM introduced its copy-cat version (the Chevy LUV truck) - a rebranded Isuzu product....

In general, your point is well taken. On this one, though, you're 'way off base. It was the Japanese who invented the mini-pickup format. HiLux and Datson pickups were available (at least on the West Coast) back in the 60's. It wouldn't be until later that GM introduced its copy-cat version (the Chevy LUV truck) - a rebranded Isuzu product....
Funny that you bring this up, b/c it got me thinking. What defines a mini-truck? I was over at a friends of mines house and he's restoring a early 1900's (1903??) International pickup with horsehair seats and a oak cab. It is smaller than todays dakota, tacoma, ranger, S-10 etc.. So I guess it really matters what is defined as a mini-truck. I know they made a FJ-45 (not sure # is correct) pickup that was a landcruiser with a tiny pickup bed instead the the closed cab. They have been making landcruisers since the 50's too! I think some of the first utility vehicles were designed for use on farms. That is probably where the truck originated.

I believe Toyota was the first Van to become a modern van. The Previa was the first to have IRS and rack and pinon steering. Also the first to have dual front airbags, side impact door beam and CMHSL.

isn't it CHMSL?

I believe Toyota was the first Van to become a modern van. The Previa was the first to have IRS and rack and pinon steering. Also the first to have dual front airbags, side impact door beam and CMHSL.


I dont rememebr the Previa having IRS. THey were solid axle. THe Sienna has IRS.

The first gen Siennas have a rear torsion beam. Surprisingly, it's more comfortable than the ones on the Echo and Corolla.

The first gen Siennas have a rear torsion beam. Surprisingly, it's more comfortable than the ones on the Echo and Corolla.Its a van. What'd you expect? Women drive it. They want comfort.

well they also have much more weight than either the Echo or the Corolla.

well they also have much more weight than either the Echo or the Corolla.True, true.

Ford makes a 1 ton(iidot rednecks like to cruise around in them to make up for their pea brained intellects). A good ford, chevy or Dodge 1/2 ton is what sane people use for a work truck, or if they cannot afford a car AND a truck.That said, Totota trucks are supposed to be these very reasonably priced , super dependable , very small trucks with mild mannered engines. Thise days are gone, and so are the days I will ever buy a new Toyota truck again. I am Looking for a used pre--2005 Genuine toyoyta compact truck with the standard shift l and mild compression SOHC .,Its gonna be tough to find.Trucks-toyoyta sucks- these high compressin mid sized DOHC are totally against the original philosophy of compact realiable trucks.Sorry to say, but he 150 is best buy now- and I am not a big fan of new fords-I own one, though, because its got a nice v-8 for towing, but its too toto big with the extendd cab like I have.

Its a van. What'd you expect? Women drive it. They want comfort.

Yeah but it's a cheap suspension. Much cheaper (although it's more compact in design too) than say a fully independent rear suspension à la gen 8 corolla.

So how often has Toyota (or Japanese in general) come out with the most of anything. Yeah I can't think of one case. They tend to be very conservative. For example name me one type of car that toyota makes that is highest in it's class for HP or torque.

Not that it can't be done (390hp 700ft/lb) but they play markets very carefully. The Japanese manufactures are known to take what we make, tweak it and give it back to us. Just look at what they did with the minivan, and also the SUV. They rarely make market breaking vehicles.

Take the Supra Turbo and Mr2 Turbo. Also the celica all-trac was pretty groundbreaking but those are 90's cars when Toyota was actually producing cool cars/trucks. The only thing out from toyota currently is the X-runner which is pretty original too.

Oh, I won't debate the fact that Corvette and T-bird came about because of the American desire to "get in the game" when it came to halo sports cars. What isn't open to debate is that Corvette has owned all would-be competitors in its niche. Thunderbird couldn't compete and has gone through many configurations, RX-7 and Supra came and went...Porsche is just about the only company to hang in there despite the fact that the similarly-priced Boxster is a distant second in sales....

Not true when Toyota released the Toyota Supra Turbo Mk4 it beat out everyone else (in class) including corvette.

toyota has one of the largest fleets of consumer diesel trucks in the world they are renowned in africa,australia and south america the new twin turbo diesel v8 for the landcruiser 130 series is rumored to have 650 nm torque(IH8MUD)which is 480 ft/lbs i heard this should be available from @1500 rpm.might need some tweaking to come under US tier 2 bin 5 regs though.