Toyota: [Falling] Quality is Job One

Toyota: [Falling] Quality is Job One
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=2043

Ahhh sounds more like an article where only some facts were used to substantiate the arguement. Thanksfully it's just an article of conjecture.

Yes Toyota delayed the Corolla. I'm not surprised. It would be stupid to launch all your passenger cars in the same year. They picked the best method. Launch the smallest (Yaris) and largest (Camry) passenger cars in one year...followed by the middle-ground car (Corolla) a year later. Since everyone likes whatever's new and exciting, this ensures that the excitement and demand for Toyota cars stays strong for more than just one year. Besides, Corolla sales have been strong. If it ain't broke, why fix it? That just shows the popularilty of this Corolla model.

As for the quality issues...I wonder how many of those recalls were for 8 year old vehicles not under warranty? Or minor vs catastrophic issues? Seems there were lots of recalls that no one really could understand why Toyota would waste the $$ or time to investigate (except for the possible "CYA" legal issue and impact to public opinion - Ford Style). The recall #'s might be higher now, but I think this has more to do with doing the "right" thing than anything else.

^Exactly. Toyota is willing to stand behind their products and fix potential problems before they become major issues.
The fact that a lot of these recalls are on older models shows you that Toyota's quality is NOT falling.
Nice try though, DavinP, better luck next time...:nutkick:

What a bogus article. Who paid him to write that crap?

As for the new Tundra, big trucks sell in the US and ALWAYS will sell. IMO, toyota is going to have the Most powerful, reliable fullsize pickup with the best towing, as well as the most fuel effiecient. it's going to take a serious bite out of the F-150

What a bogus article. Who paid him to write that crap?

As for the new Tundra, big trucks sell in the US and ALWAYS will sell. IMO, toyota is going to have the Most powerful, reliable fullsize pickup with the best towing, as well as the most fuel effiecient. it's going to take a serious bite out of the F-150


I don't know about best towing and most powerful. They've been real conservative, even their truck series. So far, I'm seeing the Nissan TITAN being an excellent competitor against domestic commecial pickups. The Tundra and Tacoma, nice trucks, but not enough beef for me. Not even the TRD models. And I've had a Tacoma before.

As for the new Tundra, big trucks sell in the US and ALWAYS will sell. IMO, toyota is going to have the Most powerful, reliable fullsize pickup with the best towing, as well as the most fuel effiecient. it's going to take a serious bite out of the F-150

That was a pretty crappy article indeed. The Tundra might be the most reliable, as for fuel efficacy we'll see. But for power and towing the domestics got some pretty strong diesels, but the Tundra should take some 3/4 ton sales from all competitors.

Um, the article says that Toyota has the "thirstiest truck lineup"....

Um, Tacomas get better gas mileage than Rangers, Colorados, and Frontiers....

And the 2006 Tundra gets better gas mileage than F150s and Titans, and is only slightly lower than Silverados. (Silverados get 1mpg more on the highway)

Source: Edmunds, comparing largest 6 cyl, 4x4, 4dr compact pickups (chevy has 5cyl), (Ranger doesn't offer a crew cab)

Full size pickup EPAs: 4x4, V8, crew cabs.

Um, the article says that Toyota has the "thirstiest truck lineup"....

Um, Tacomas get better gas mileage than Rangers, Colorados, and Frontiers....

And the 2006 Tundra gets better gas mileage than F150s and Titans, and is only slightly lower than Silverados. (Silverados get 1mpg more on the highway)

Source: Edmunds, comparing largest 6 cyl, 4x4, 4dr compact pickups (chevy has 5cyl), (Ranger doesn't offer a crew cab)

Full size pickup EPAs: 4x4, V8, crew cabs.

Exactly... !!!!!
My Sequoia gives better mileage than the TAHOE. How big is the TAHOE engine? Mine is a 4.7L.

Exactly... !!!!!
My Sequoia gives better mileage than the TAHOE. How big is the TAHOE engine? Mine is a 4.7L.The Tahoe has either a 4.8L or 5.3L engine. The 4.8L hasn't been rated by the EPA. The 5.3 is rated 16 mpg city/22 mpg highway. (15/20 for the 4x4) If the engine is E-85 compatible, then the ratings fall to 16/21 for the 4x2 and go up to 15/21 for the 4x4. If the engine is actually running on E85, then the ratings fall further to 12/16 for the 4x2 and 11/15 for the 4x4.

Exactly... !!!!!
My Sequoia gives better mileage than the TAHOE. How big is the TAHOE engine? Mine is a 4.7L. Wrong, bucko. Both the GMT-800 Tahoe and the GMT-900 Tahoe get better EPA mileage than the Sequoia.

2006 Tahoe (5.3L 2WD) 15/20
2007 Tahoe (5.3L 2WD) 16/22

2006/7 Sequoia (4.7L 2WD) 15/18

Not even close...and the Tahoe has more displacement and more horsepower/torque.

Um, the article says that Toyota has the "thirstiest truck lineup"....

Um, Tacomas get better gas mileage than Rangers, Colorados, and Frontiers....

And the 2006 Tundra gets better gas mileage than F150s and Titans, and is only slightly lower than Silverados. (Silverados get 1mpg more on the highway)

Source: Edmunds, comparing largest 6 cyl, 4x4, 4dr compact pickups (chevy has 5cyl), (Ranger doesn't offer a crew cab)

Full size pickup EPAs: 4x4, V8, crew cabs.
2006 Ford Expedition (5.4L 2WD) 14/19 (beats the Sequoia in highway mileage [15/18])
2006 Ford F-150...same mileage out of the 5.4L

Ford's Expedition/F-150 5.4L make 300 hp / 365 lb ft of torque. Toyota's 4.7L makes 271 hp / 313 lb ft. of torque...while getting only 1 MPG better city. I don't think calling Toyota's truck / SUV lineup "thirsty" is too far off-base. Ford and GM both beat them in V8 engine efficiency, and don't forget that the F-150 weighs more than the Tundra, yet still pretty much matches the mileage.

Id like to see a Tahoe that gets 20 mpg on the highway. I know a few people that own these gas guzzlers and lemmie tell ya, it aint gonna happen. No how, no way...
They are lucky to pull 16 mpg on the highway (downhill with a strong tailwind).
People, dont believe the mileage ratings the EPA gives. Its been proven time and time again that EPA estimated rating does not reflect real-world driving conditions.

Id like to see a Tahoe that gets 20 mpg on the highway. I know a few people that own these gas guzzlers and lemmie tell ya, it aint gonna happen. No how, no way...
They are lucky to pull 16 mpg on the highway (downhill with a strong tailwind).
People, dont believe the mileage ratings the EPA gives. Its been proven time and time again that EPA estimated rating does not reflect real-world driving conditions. Does your limited experience make it true for everyone?

It all depends on how you drive...it's as simple as that.

Just because the EPA standards are based on moderate driving rather than punching the gas like most Americans do, that doesn't change the fact that the Sequoia is rated lower in MPG than the Tahoe, with less horsepower and less torque to boot. No matter how you spin it, using examples like your neighbor down the street or whoever you talked to in the grocery checkout line, the EPA is the OFFICIAL goverment test, using the same standards for all automakers. Sorry, but government testing rules out whatever John Doe, kitty-corner from your house claims.

I don't know about best towing and most powerful. They've been real conservative, even their truck series. So far, I'm seeing the Nissan TITAN being an excellent competitor against domestic commecial pickups. The Tundra and Tacoma, nice trucks, but not enough beef for me. Not even the TRD models. And I've had a Tacoma before.

What's funny about the Nissan is that while it can tow up to 9000 lbs, the payload (which includes the tongue wt) is actually almost 500lbs LESS than the Tundra! Rule of thumb with tongue wt is 10% of trailer wt, so...

Titan ~1300 lbs payload - 900 lbs tongue = 400 lbs left over for passengers, rear cargo, and that big toolbox in the back.

The CURRENT Tundra has a payload of 1840 lbs, and can tow up to 6800 lbs.

The joke about the Nissan is "Sure you can tow a lot, but you can't take anyone with you!"

Once again, what a pointless thread by davinp

dsmnick YOU GO GIRL!! :lol:

Once again, what a pointless thread by davinp

dsmnick YOU GO GIRL!! :lol: Still as immature as ever, contributing nothing whatsoever to the thead.

Still as immature as ever, contributing nothing whatsoever to the thead.

:lol: :lol: Typical domestics owner. Can't take a complement. :disappoin

Besides, even if Toyota's quality is falling off, it only means one thing: Its becoming a true domestic brand. :clap:

contributing nothing whatsoever to the thead.
What's there to contribute for such pointless thread?


Still as immature as ever
Takes one to know one.

What's there to contribute for such pointless thread?



Takes one to know one.

Jesus Christ. The internet really does demote us all back to a bunch of fourth graders.

"Yeah? Well my dad can beat up YOUR dad!":p:

:lol:

What's there to contribute for such pointless thread?



Takes one to know one. You're a quick one.

What I don't understand is why people continue to post up 'pro-domestic' articles, etc. on this board. Its not like there isn't a proven record of us (myself included) being not at all 'receptive' or 'welcoming' to these posts. Does that mean we're close-minded or single-tracked? Maybe. Is that a good thing? Probably not. But having said that, it is who we are, and most of anyone that's spent more than 5-minutes on this board knows this to be true. Maybe these people (who post these things) are gluttons for punishment. You have to reap what you sow. You don't like it? Leave. Simple. Don't get butt hurt when we defend what we are passionate about.

As for the "[Falling] Quality Is Job One" article, at least it hasn't taken Toyota years and a huge chunk of market share to figure out the problem and to try to fix it.

I think dsmnick is funny...arguing over the difference of 1mpg's...ROTFLMAOCOPTER!!!!

Thats like saying an intake is badass cause of its 1hp gain....you cant even measure that on a butt-dyno...LMAOHAAHAHFTW!

Fine, the Hoe gets better mileage than my Toyota..w00t w00t...next time, ill just have big shit before I drive my sequioa to lighten the load and well get the same gas mileage!

^^^ LOL on everyone's posts, including mine :lol:

Except for davinp :thumbup: booooooooo

^^^ LOL on everyone's posts, including mine :lol:

Except for davinp :thumbup: booooooooo
I can't edit my post somehow, that thumbup is meant to be :thumbdown:

:lol:

I can't edit my post somehow, that thumbup is meant to be :thumbdown:

:lol:

:lol: The 'Edit' button must be made by Toyota. :saythat:

^Exactly. Toyota is willing to stand behind their products and fix potential problems before they become major issues.
The fact that a lot of these recalls are on older models shows you that Toyota's quality is NOT falling.
Nice try though, DavinP, better luck next time...:nutkick:
To the contrary, there was a reason that older vehicles have been racalled and it involved a police investigation into toyota's business practices.

Here's and exert from the article:

"The recall comes after police investigated three Toyota officials on suspicion of professional negligence in allegedly shirking recalls for eight years and not fixing a defect that may have caused an accident. Five people were injured in a crash in 2004 in southern Japan when steering failed in a 1993 Toyota Hilux Surf sport utility vehicle, causing it to swing out of control. Toyota had received five reports of problems with the steering by 1996, but no recall was made until 2004, the company said.
The investigation was another embarrassment for Toyota, whose once impeccable image has been tarnished by a number of recalls.
Earlier this month, the company recalled 367,500 Toyota and Lexus sport utility vehicles in the U.S. because a piece in the front console area could come loose and interfere with the gas pedal.
Toyota has been reporting booming sales in recent years and is growing so rapidly some analysts expect it to overtake struggling General Motors Corp. of the U.S. as the world's biggest automaker in coming years.



Here's the article:


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13916606/


This is NOT the only article I've read about this as of late. I'm part owner (gf's truck) of a somewhat lower qaulity problamatic 05 Tacoma quad cab. I don't know if the issues with the truck will ever cause a failure (especially the transmission) but "our" 99 corolla was much better built than the truck.


There's a reason many articles like this are surfacing (and by reputable organizations) as of late: it's true. You may not want to believe it, but it is. The domestics are catching up in terms of quality (and YES, they are) and Toyota is becomming a victim of their own "too rapid" growth in their attemp to overtake GM as the world's and US's largest manufacturer.


It's completely ignorant to ignore the fact that Toyota's quality is slipping (don't tell me it isn't, go to the 05+ tacoma forums and spend a couple hours reading about the new truck problems.) How far it silps is up to Toyota and us as owners. We have to let Toyota know, hey, your new truck kinda sucks, why is my tranny screwed up? Why doesn't my cruise control work? Why did the A/C go out on a 6 month old truck? Why is my dash seperating after 5K? These are legitimit questions and concerns. Where is Toyota going in the next few years? These concerns NEED to be addressed NOW before the situation gets worse, BUT if we IGNORE the fact that it's happening and sit back and let it slip and slip until the time comes when Toyota will no longer be known as the "most reliable brand."


Ignoring that a problem existed is the exact reason Toyota sales have caught up and surpassed some/most domestic sales. The "big three" ignored toyota's quality and reliability and that American buyer's wanted that. They're not ingoring it anymore and have vastly improved over just the past couple of years. According to organizations such as motor trend and car and driver (the same organizations that give toyota their high quality marks) have not only called toyota's quality into question over the past year but have also remarked that companies such as GM have made "leaps and bounds" in quality over the past couple of years.


Don't dismiss articles like this as BS or "anti-toyota," but reguard them as an early wake-up call to a potential problem.

Whoa there buddy dont get yourself so worked up now. Nobody is denying whats there, but Toyota has realized there is a problem and is actively making sure to fix it. I'm sorry you have issues with your truck but come on now, every car is going to have some issue. And it all depends on how the user uses their vehicle. Also remember people on forums are a very small number compared to all the people that buy Toyotas, peolple come on forums to complain, there are for many more people that love their Toyota and have no problems. Yes the domestics are getting better in quality and design, but they're a far way from the level of the imports. One more thing, remember Toyota doesnt make every single piece of their cars themselves so other companies that provide these pieces could also be to blame. With all the technology coming forward it wouldnt make sense for there not to be some issues because electronics arent guaranteed to be problem free, things happen we learn and move on.

Whoa there buddy dont get yourself so worked up now. Nobody is denying whats there, but Toyota has realized there is a problem and is actively making sure to fix it. I'm sorry you have issues with your truck but come on now, every car is going to have some issue. And it all depends on how the user uses their vehicle. Also remember people on forums are a very small number compared to all the people that buy Toyotas, peolple come on forums to complain, there are for many more people that love their Toyota and have no problems. Yes the domestics are getting better in quality and design, but they're a far way from the level of the imports. One more thing, remember Toyota doesnt make every single piece of their cars themselves so other companies that provide these pieces could also be to blame. With all the technology coming forward it wouldnt make sense for there not to be some issues because electronics arent guaranteed to be problem free, things happen we learn and move on.

You just made my point for me, thanks :clap:

It's ok if a toyota vehicle has a problem, because the Toyota "gods" will fix it :whatwhat::lol:

But if a domestic has a problem it's to be expected? What kind of bass ackwards thinking is that? So, it's not toyota's fault, it's their suppliers fault? Way to pass the buck!

Closed narrowminded thinking always leads to disaster:D

:lol: The 'Edit' button must be made by Toyota. :saythat:
Imagine that, the EDIT button might outlast the OS :lol:

The fact is, it's the combination of using Microsoft's Internet Explorer under Mac OSX, and such a combo ensures rubbish functionality :disappoin

You just made my point for me, thanks :clap:

It's ok if a toyota vehicle has a problem, because the Toyota "gods" will fix it :whatwhat::lol:

But if a domestic has a problem it's to be expected? What kind of bass ackwards thinking is that? So, it's not toyota's fault, it's their suppliers fault? Way to pass the buck!

Closed narrowminded thinking always leads to disaster:D


I didnt say it was ok, the thing is though with a company like Toyota with a long history of dependability a person is more likely to understand that you're bound to have issues at some point. The domestics have been long known for their problems and being critizied so its not as big a deal when something goes wrong because things have been going wrong for awhile. Im not trying to be closed minded, its great that the domestics are fixing their game, I mean now I find myself liking more and more domestics, something that would never had happened a few years ago.

I didnt say it was ok, the thing is though with a company like Toyota with a long history of dependability a person is more likely to understand that you're bound to have issues at some point. The domestics have been long known for their problems and being critizied so its not as big a deal when something goes wrong because things have been going wrong for awhile. Im not trying to be closed minded, its great that the domestics are fixing their game, I mean now I find myself liking more and more domestics, something that would never had happened a few years ago.
That's one of the biggest problems :sosad: They DO have the history. It's great to have that history when things are going well, but if poblems start to arise it raises some serious eyebrows and concerns, and quickly. I want Toyota to do well, they've made GM and other companies wake up to the falling world around them. That is good for the consumer and the other companies as well, as well as essential for our economy!

I just can't believe that some people are so unwilling to believe that anything is wrong?

Good counterpoints and thanks for bein friendly :D

That's one of the biggest problems :sosad: They DO have the history. It's great to have that history when things are going well, but if poblems start to arise it raises some serious eyebrows and concerns, and quickly. I want Toyota to do well, they've made GM and other companies wake up to the falling world around them. That is good for the consumer and the other companies as well, as well as essential for our economy!

I just can't believe that some people are so unwilling to believe that anything is wrong?

Good counterpoints and thanks for bein friendly :D

Exactly, haha you're welcome I have no reason to be mean we all just want the best for Toyota.

It's ok if a toyota vehicle has a problem, because the Toyota "gods" will fix it

Hardly; all vehicles have defects. Toyota has less than other manufacturers. Plus, their vehicles are made of higher-quality materials.


But if a domestic has a problem it's to be expected? What kind of bass ackwards thinking is that? So, it's not toyota's fault, it's their suppliers fault? Way to pass the buck!

Nah, it's just that we're used to domestics passing on knowingly crappy mechanicals to us, as well as using the marketplace, instead of the laboratory, to test new technologies.

Switched from the domestics to Toyota ten years ago; I've never looked back.

C

Plus, their vehicles are made of higher-quality materials.


:lol: Driven any 05-06 Tacoma's lately?


Nah, it's just that we're used to domestics passing on knowingly crappy mechanicals to us, as well as using the marketplace, instead of the laboratory, to test new technologies.



That's changing. As far as I know Toyota doesn't have any E-85 or displacement on demand vehicles. I kinda hope they will, I think E85 would be good all around for our economy (less foreign oil and more work and $$$ for our farmers!)

:lol: Driven any 05-06 Tacoma's lately?



That's changing. As far as I know Toyota doesn't have any E-85 or displacement on demand vehicles. I kinda hope they will, I think E85 would be good all around for our economy (less foreign oil and more work and $$$ for our farmers!)
Yes, and they are best in class:) . E85?? You mean the stuff that's available in a whopping 1 gas station in California, the state with the largest population in the country? Or the stuff that decreases your mileage?

:lol: Driven any 05-06 Tacoma's lately?

Nope.

I am aware some owners have been less than happy with them for a couple reasons. I waited past '95 and '96 to buy my '97 Tacoma. The first year or two of a new model from any manufacturer always have teething problems, even with Toyotas. My Previa, a first-year 1991, was no different. However, those problems have been very minor, comparitively.

On a completely unrelated subject, how's that fine Chinese-made five-cylinder working out in the Chevy Colorado?


As far as I know Toyota doesn't have any E-85 or displacement on demand vehicles. I kinda hope they will, I think E85 would be good all around for our economy (less foreign oil and more work and $$$ for our farmers!)

Well, that has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted, but if you want to randomly change the subject due to lack of cognition on your part, that's OK with me. :rolleyes:

DOD (DOA?) is a poor substitute for hybrid technology. Even Honda does it in their minivan, but it doesn't save near as much gas as a proper hybrid drivetrain. DOD is just an electronic gadget, not innovation.

Toyota is "looking" at E85 for the US market; they already have it in Brazil. Most of us on the coasts, far from Midwest agriculture, couldn't give a shit about E85. It costs as much as gas once it's piped or trucked out here.
Frankly, it's also one of the biggest taxpayer ripoffs of late, following only Bush's so-called tax cuts.
Now, if you want to talk about biodiesel, I'm all into that. That can be grown from many crops almost anywhere. :)

C

E85?? You mean the stuff that's available in a whopping 1 gas station in California, the state with the largest population in the country?
Or the stuff that decreases your mileage?

...And rots out your gas system if you have an older car...

LMAO!!!

C

...And rots out your gas system if you have an older car...

LMAO!!!

C You said the same thing months ago, and I countered with the 1994 Taurus FFV that the university here still operates.

You never did provide any evidence to substantiate your claim.

Wrong, bucko. Both the GMT-800 Tahoe and the GMT-900 Tahoe get better EPA mileage than the Sequoia.

2006 Tahoe (5.3L 2WD) 15/20
2007 Tahoe (5.3L 2WD) 16/22

2006/7 Sequoia (4.7L 2WD) 15/18

Not even close...and the Tahoe has more displacement and more horsepower/torque.

I got 20mpg with my 4WD on the freeway.. very happy with that... :clap:

Only if the Tahoe quality was half as good as Sequoia's... I would be little impressed.... just wanted to add fuel to the fire that is buring under your insecure domesticated ass for a while.... LOL !!! It is always a lot of fun... :lol: .... Ohhh... Ohh are you going to provide us with some more "documentation" proving Toyota is bad....??? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ..... funny dude u r... Please go easy and try not to hurt our feelings... :sosad: :lol: ....
Go ahead and publish your Toyota research paper... We will give u an A+ ... :lol: and then we will all flock at the Chevy dealer demanding to give us any number of pennies for our Toyota's and drive away in nice new beautiful Tahoes, impalas, and cobalts...... :) Oh those Impalas such awesome cars... I see them in my dreams. I only wish I was as sane as you to love the TAHOE.. such an awesome vehicle.... It rocks dude.... !!!
BTW.... Early in the semester huh...?? No mid terms coming yet? Must be nice to have picked up a major where you can sit on the Toyota website all day long... :lol:


I have been in a Tahoe with 50k miles (unfortunately.. had to go with a coworker.. I had to take a shower later to take the Tahoeness off of me..LOL!!) and they don't feel half as solid as my 100k mile vehicle...... but who am I telling here.. WASTING MY TIME HERE NOW.. although I promised to myself never to waste time with ur brain again... it is useless.. some diseases don't have a cure.. lol ... a goat's mind is clearer and can think clearer than your's... :lol:


Ok.. I am done... I will let you get back to your research paper... :lol:

I got 20mpg with my 4WD on the freeway.. very happy with that... :clap:

Only if the Tahoe quality was half as good as Sequoia's... I would be little impressed.... just wanted to add fuel to the fire that is buring under your insecure domesticated ass for a while.... LOL !!! It is always a lot of fun... :lol: .... Ohhh... Ohh are you going to provide us with some more "documentation" proving Toyota is bad....??? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ..... funny dude u r... Please go easy and try not to hurt our feelings... :sosad: :lol: ....
Go ahead and publish your Toyota research paper... We will give u an A+ ... :lol: and then we will all flock at the Chevy dealer demanding to give us any number of pennies for our Toyota's and drive away in nice new beautiful Tahoes, impalas, and cobalts...... :) Oh those Impalas such awesome cars... I see them in my dreams. I only wish I was as sane as you to love the TAHOE.. such an awesome vehicle.... It rocks dude.... !!!
BTW.... Early in the semester huh...?? No mid terms coming yet? Must be nice to have picked up a major where you can sit on the Toyota website all day long... :lol:


I have been in a Tahoe with 50k miles (unfortunately.. had to go with a coworker.. I had to take a shower later to take the Tahoeness off of me..LOL!!) and they don't feel half as solid as my 100k mile vehicle...... but who am I telling here.. WASTING MY TIME HERE NOW.. although I promised to myself never to waste time with ur brain again... it is useless.. some diseases don't have a cure.. lol ... a goat's mind is clearer and can think clearer than your's... :lol:


Ok.. I am done... I will let you get back to your research paper... :lol:


Haha awesome post! Loved every word of it :)

:sosad:Wow RAV, I didn't realize giving you a reality check would upset you so much. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. Here now...here's a tissue...dry your tears.

There there...that's better.

I'll try to be more sensitive to your feelings next time.

Wow RAV, I didn't realize giving you a reality check would upset you so much. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. Here now...here's a tissue...dry your tears.

There there...that's better.

I'll try to be more sensitive to your feelings next time.


:lol: .... Reality check... :lol:
Look who is talking............ :lol:

A man?? (you could be a chick.. i donno) who has spent his/her life in a cocoon hanging on the Ford plant roof... :lol: :lol:

:lol: .... Reality check... :lol:
Look who is talking............ :lol:

A man?? (you could be a chick.. i donno) who has spent his/her life in a cocoon hanging on the Ford plant roof... :lol: :lol: ^ Where do you come up with this stuff? It's about as coherent as a rambling old man.

I still find it hard to believe that you're older than me, because you sure don't act it.

^ Where do you come up with this stuff? It's about as coherent as a rambling old man.

I still find it hard to believe that you're older than me, because you sure don't act it.

I still find it hard to believe that you are out of your TEENS (I hope) and still act like an out of control teenager who thinks what he/she thinks is right.

I am very sorry to say .... but ...... :disappoin .......... you have absolutely no concept of common sense..... :disappoin ..... and you pretend you have a lot of BOOK SENSE... :lol:

You want to know my DEFINITION of MATURITY........... ??????????

RESPECT
RESPECT
and
RESPECT

.................. you my friend have no respect for anything or anybody but what is in mind. When you act it, you WILL get NO respect from others either........ You learn to respect others and you will get respect............. AS U GROW OLDER AND COME IN THE REAL WORLD, you will hopefully understand.

I still find it hard to believe that you are out of your TEENS (I hope) and still act like an out of control teenager who thinks what he/she thinks is right.

I am very sorry to say .... but ...... :disappoin .......... you have absolutely no concept of common sense..... :disappoin ..... and you pretend you have a lot of BOOK SENSE... :lol:

You want to know my DEFINITION of MATURITY........... ??????????

RESPECT
RESPECT
and
RESPECT

.................. you my friend have no respect for anything or anybody but what is in mind. When you act it, you WILL get NO respect from others either........ You learn to respect others and you will get respect............. AS U GROW OLDER AND COME IN THE REAL WORLD, you will hopefully understand.

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^^^ The one with the big nose might boil faster :lol:

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^^ :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Which one am I ??? :lol:

Sorry guys... I am done...

I still find it hard to believe that you are out of your TEENS (I hope) and still act like an out of control teenager who thinks what he/she thinks is right.

I am very sorry to say .... but ...... :disappoin .......... you have absolutely no concept of common sense..... :disappoin ..... and you pretend you have a lot of BOOK SENSE... :lol:

You want to know my DEFINITION of MATURITY........... ??????????

RESPECT
RESPECT
and
RESPECT

.................. you my friend have no respect for anything or anybody but what is in mind. When you act it, you WILL get NO respect from others either........ You learn to respect others and you will get respect............. AS U GROW OLDER AND COME IN THE REAL WORLD, you will hopefully understand.
I only show respect toward those who show respect toward me. If you act like an ass in your posts, then I'll treat you like an ass. I tend to be fairly reasonable toward most people except those who show their lack of maturity with back-handed insults and irrational outbursts. Rarely do ANY of your posts show this respect that you speak of. I corrected you pretty nicely on simple factual information, and you go off on a huge rant about me as a person (who you don't even know).

Who's the one that needs to learn respect again?

I only show respect toward those who show respect toward me. If you act like an ass in your posts, then I'll treat you like an ass. I tend to be fairly reasonable toward most people except those who show their lack of maturity with back-handed insults and irrational outbursts. Rarely do ANY of your posts show this respect that you speak of. I corrected you pretty nicely on simple factual information, and you go off on a huge rant about me as a person (who you don't even know).

Who's the one that needs to learn respect again?

It is obvious, you will not understand... You prove me over and over again... :lol: MAN...... what device do you use to think?? Nevermind...

Not wasiting my time with somebody who uses his ASS to speak not his mouth. :rolleyes:

All my posts here are purely directed towards the Toyota Enthusiasts or the people who respect Toyota...... ONLY ,.. none other WHATSOEVER. There will NEVER be an exception....... PERIOD...... If you don't want to hear me and then don't bother me. I did not join this board to get REPLIES from FORD or GM enthusiasts... Don't like me.. don't talk to me... VERY SIMPLE...

PS... Not interested in any facts or opinions from you. Speak only when spoken to.

I tend to be fairly reasonable toward most people except those who show their lack of maturity with back-handed insults and irrational outbursts.
Am I one of them? :dunno:

You gotta admit that it's fun though. Besides, we as guys will always be immature no matter how mature one claims himself to be :cool:

It is obvious, you will not understand... You prove me over and over again... :lol: MAN...... what device do you use to think?? Nevermind...

Not wasiting my time with somebody who uses his ASS to speak not his mouth. :rolleyes:

All my posts here are purely directed towards the Toyota Enthusiasts or the people who respect Toyota...... ONLY ,.. none other WHATSOEVER. There will NEVER be an exception....... PERIOD...... If you don't want to hear me and then don't bother me. I did not join this board to get REPLIES from FORD or GM enthusiasts... Don't like me.. don't talk to me... VERY SIMPLE...

PS... Not interested in any facts or opinions from you. Speak only when spoken to. Fair enough. Next time I post in a thead, you better not jump all over me, however. Use the ignore feature (if there is one).

Echo, I usually don't mind your posts...you're very critical sometimes, but you also are reasonable and level-headed other times. You're ok. :cool:

You said the same thing months ago, and I countered with the 1994 Taurus FFV that the university here still operates.

You never did provide any evidence to substantiate your claim.

You did?

I didn't?

I must apologize for not being at your beck and call, y'Majesty...I didn't realize how imperative it was to read every single following post. :rolleyes:

Anyhoo, here's the belated results of yet another Google search; probably took all of 0.027 seconds...:

First, from the Federal Guv:
http://www.deh.gov.au/atmosphere/fuelquality/publications/review-non-automotive/engine-durability.html

Then, from the ever-wonderful Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85


Whether you have a financial interest at stake or not, I can't fault you for promoting Ford (or whoever) here. The buyer must beware, I guess.

However, I strongly disagree with your promoting Ethanol fuels as many on this board have older cars that may be damaged due to alcohol-based fuels. Owners must be very careful that their cars meet manufacturer approval before using ethanol, regardless of the make.

The fact is, I don't know if my older Toyotas would be damaged or not. I'm simply not willing to take the risk. When Toyota gives the OK, then I'll feel OK. I do know that both my cars run better on Tier 1 (Chevron) gasoline than off-brands, for whatever that's worth. If I could burn biofuels in my cars, though, I'd start tomorrow. :)

C

...back-handed insults...

But isn't "back-handed insults" what I accused you (and others) of doing a few months ago; re your tireless threads supposedly showing how Toyota was becoming the next Yugo, etc? Give it a rest, eh?


Who's the one that needs to learn respect again?

Could it be the Ford fan who spends too much time picking fights on a Toyota board...but, no, ...maybe I'm the insane one...

C

(P.S.: I like RAV4EVR's posts. Every IMB needs a resident pit bull... :D )