New Celica "T-Sport" version??

http://www.carnetnews.co.uk/news/story13.html

Toyota "T Sport" versus Honda/Acura "Type R/TypeS"

:lol:

Isn't there a "Type M" Celi or something-or-other in Japan too? What's the deally :???:

http://toyota.mediagalaxy.ne.jp/modellista/contents/design/image/p_celica_1.jpg
http://toyota.mediagalaxy.ne.jp/customize/celica/TRDsportsM/index.html

Ah here we go! :grin:

0-60 in 7.4 seconds? Oh my lord.

Not another rice model.

0-60 in 7.4 seconds? Please tell me thats a typo or stat for an automatic. Current GT-S can do 0-60 in ~6.6 depending on driver.

I can do better then that in my auto Camry wtf that is sick they need a 250HP celica plus a turbo option for 450hp.Then people will buy Toyota over Honda Scrap

I think it's just another case of Bad-Driveritus. Must've had someone from Car and Driver piloting the thing. Yeesh.

On 2001-08-03 12:03, Gruven wrote:
I think it's just another case of Bad-Driveritus. Must've had someone from Car and Driver piloting the thing. Yeesh.


Or u. :smile:

Here in Finland there is two different Celicas. A base model: Celica VVT-i which has 105 kw=142.8 hp and then there is the better version, the Celica VVTL-i T Sport which has 141 kw=191.76 hp. I'm not sure how much the GT-S has but I don't think it is that much... The T sport DOES NOT mean turbo. Sorry.
Oh and the T Sports I've seen all have a dual tip center exhaust. I don't know if it's a TRD add on..though which they do a lot of here.
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On 2001-08-07 12:34, AssatC87Bruins wrote:
Here in Finland there is two different Celicas. A base model: Celica VVT-i which has 105 kw=142.8 hp and then there is the better version, the Celica VVTL-i T Sport which has 141 kw=191.76 hp. I'm not sure how much the GT-S has but I don't think it is that much... The T sport DOES NOT mean turbo. Sorry.
Oh and the T Sports I've seen all have a dual tip center exhaust. I don't know if it's a TRD add on..though which they do a lot of here.
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The GT-S has the 1.8L 2ZZ-GE VVTL-i engine as well, rated at 180hp. The reason your VVTL-i version makes more power is because the timing is advanced due to the higher octane gas available outside of north america.

Man we got sh** gas here,WTF they must put like all the toxic sh** they can find in the american gas just so our cars polute more.

On 2001-08-07 19:26, TRDCelica wrote:

On 2001-08-07 12:34, AssatC87Bruins wrote:
Here in Finland there is two different Celicas. A base model: Celica VVT-i which has 105 kw=142.8 hp and then there is the better version, the Celica VVTL-i T Sport which has 141 kw=191.76 hp. I'm not sure how much the GT-S has but I don't think it is that much... The T sport DOES NOT mean turbo. Sorry.
Oh and the T Sports I've seen all have a dual tip center exhaust. I don't know if it's a TRD add on..though which they do a lot of here.
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The GT-S has the 1.8L 2ZZ-GE VVTL-i engine as well, rated at 180hp. The reason your VVTL-i version makes more power is because the timing is advanced due to the higher octane gas available outside of north america.



There's a second cam, high performance profile that kicks in at high revs in the VVTL-i, resulting in the lift or kick in more horsepower. The second cam works by increasing the overlapping between the intake and exhaust valves, which enables more air to come in and out at high revs.

And the main reason VVTL-i's need higher octane gas is the high compression ratio 11.5:1. Higher octane gas doesn't really relate to higher performance, it's only to avoid or prevent detonation or pre-ignition.

The T-sport still uses the same design of the 2zz-fe (VVTL-i), but with some tweaks in the engine, giving the added 10 horses. I'm guessing they got rid of the high mechanical friction losses (between pistons, cylinder walls, pins) that reduce horsepower by using high performance, low friction parts or materials. Most muscle car tunners use this idealogy to gain performance in their cars to 10+ hourses.

On 2001-11-25 16:57, Phaseshift wrote:

On 2001-08-07 19:26, TRDCelica wrote:

On 2001-08-07 12:34, AssatC87Bruins wrote:
Here in Finland there is two different Celicas. A base model: Celica VVT-i which has 105 kw=142.8 hp and then there is the better version, the Celica VVTL-i T Sport which has 141 kw=191.76 hp. I'm not sure how much the GT-S has but I don't think it is that much... The T sport DOES NOT mean turbo. Sorry.
Oh and the T Sports I've seen all have a dual tip center exhaust. I don't know if it's a TRD add on..though which they do a lot of here.
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The GT-S has the 1.8L 2ZZ-GE VVTL-i engine as well, rated at 180hp. The reason your VVTL-i version makes more power is because the timing is advanced due to the higher octane gas available outside of north america.



There's a second cam, high performance profile that kicks in at high revs in the VVTL-i, resulting in the lift or kick in more horsepower. The second cam works by increasing the overlapping between the intake and exhaust valves, which enables more air to come in and out at high revs.

And the main reason VVTL-i's need higher octane gas is the high compression ratio 11.5:1. Higher octane gas doesn't really relate to higher performance, it's only to avoid or prevent detonation or pre-ignition.

The T-sport still uses the same design of the 2zz-fe (VVTL-i), but with some tweaks in the engine, giving the added 10 horses. I'm guessing they got rid of the high mechanical friction losses (between pistons, cylinder walls, pins) that reduce horsepower by using high performance, low friction parts or materials. Most muscle car tunners use this idealogy to gain performance in their cars to 10+ hourses.


As far as I know the North American engines and the JDM engines are the same mechanically. I don't see why Toyota would use those &quot;materials&quot; you mention in only some of the 2zz-g2's. Port and polishing will usually give you more than 10 hp.
Btw, to be picky, 190ps = ~187hp.

On 2001-12-20 03:18, TRDCelica wrote:

On 2001-11-25 16:57, Phaseshift wrote:

On 2001-08-07 19:26, TRDCelica wrote:

On 2001-08-07 12:34, AssatC87Bruins wrote:
Here in Finland there is two different Celicas. A base model: Celica VVT-i which has 105 kw=142.8 hp and then there is the better version, the Celica VVTL-i T Sport which has 141 kw=191.76 hp. I'm not sure how much the GT-S has but I don't think it is that much... The T sport DOES NOT mean turbo. Sorry.
Oh and the T Sports I've seen all have a dual tip center exhaust. I don't know if it's a TRD add on..though which they do a lot of here.
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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: AssatC87Bruins on 2001-08-07 12:38 ]</font>


The GT-S has the 1.8L 2ZZ-GE VVTL-i engine as well, rated at 180hp. The reason your VVTL-i version makes more power is because the timing is advanced due to the higher octane gas available outside of north america.



There's a second cam, high performance profile that kicks in at high revs in the VVTL-i, resulting in the lift or kick in more horsepower. The second cam works by increasing the overlapping between the intake and exhaust valves, which enables more air to come in and out at high revs.

And the main reason VVTL-i's need higher octane gas is the high compression ratio 11.5:1. Higher octane gas doesn't really relate to higher performance, it's only to avoid or prevent detonation or pre-ignition.

The T-sport still uses the same design of the 2zz-fe (VVTL-i), but with some tweaks in the engine, giving the added 10 horses. I'm guessing they got rid of the high mechanical friction losses (between pistons, cylinder walls, pins) that reduce horsepower by using high performance, low friction parts or materials. Most muscle car tunners use this idealogy to gain performance in their cars to 10+ hourses.


As far as I know the North American engines and the JDM engines are the same mechanically. I don't see why Toyota would use those &quot;materials&quot; you mention in only some of the 2zz-g2's. Port and polishing will usually give you more than 10 hp.
Btw, to be picky, 190ps = ~187hp.



I stand corrected. The reason why the european version has a 15 more horses is due to a higher rpm redline. I don't know what the numbers are, but I heared the US regulated to have a lower RPM redline to avoid misshifting accidents.

Did somebody already mention in this thread that celica in Japan gets 190ps due to 100 octane(not sure if they use &quot;octane&quot;) fuel that they got there?

And the difference of 1hp = 1.01ps??

On 2002-01-21 16:53, elegantcam wrote:
Did somebody already mention in this thread that celica in Japan gets 190ps due to 100 octane(not sure if they use &quot;octane&quot;) fuel that they got there?

And the difference of 1hp = 1.01ps??


They use the ran or ram or ron (not sure) rating for octane so 100 octane is around 94 or 95 here.