New Tundra Pics from Texas State Fair

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38024

Thanks for the pics. It seems like every GM fansite I go to has real world pictures of the Tundra. Worried much? Interior and exterior is ten times better than the chevy and gmc.

Thanks for the pics. It seems like every GM fansite I go to has real world pictures of the Tundra. Worried much? Interior and exterior is ten times better than the chevy and gmc. I don't know, I'm not that impressed by the Tundra's interior...the HVAC buttons look like Playskool knobs (why so huge? Kids aren't going to be driving these things), and I still don't understand the huge off-center divide down the center console. It needs a different steering wheel...the current one looks more at home in a Camry.

As for the exterior, it's all about one's taste...but I prefer hard lines on trucks...the Tundra is too rounded off and the hood is too short for the height of it. There's weird curves all over the body that don't follow any overall design flow. The chrome grille borders on cartoonish. It's like Toyota tried too hard to make a macho truck.

But that's just my opinion...

Isn't it funny how other trucks can be discussed like adults on other sites but at the slightest mention on here that you don't like the new tundra its "flame on?"

IT IS FUNNY that other sites put crap on Tundra (I just happened to have read the GMI site and I didn't see ONE adult comment there. :rolleyes: ) and when you come here you see people putting crap on Tundra and if by chance somebody tries to defend the Tundra on this TOYOTA website... he is blamed for flaming and is threatened.... :rolleyes:

Below is a CHILDISH quote from the GMI website.. not any different than other comments there. I guess this is what it means to be an ADULT...


I also have a picture of the GM grill guard for the tahoe in there.
When I was at the show, there was a pretty big crowd around all of the new sierras and silverados. I had to wait to get some shots with no one sitting in them. When I was at the Toyota tundra (http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38024#) display, Only one other guy was there besides the representative.

People seemed really enthusiastic about the new GM trucks. At the tundra display there was only one guy and he didnt seem to excited.
Display wise, I would have to say that GM's were better because there were a lot more than 3 trucks sitting around. Toyotas (http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38024#) seemed kind of plain.


Adult comments my ass...


Here is what I have to say "I think the Tundra has way better styling in and out as compared to the domestics regardless of how much it is going to sell because of LOYAL truck buyers in the USA... " .................... Now that is my OPINION............ Oh I am sorry. I am not ALLOWED to say something like that here... Was it a TABOO comment?? Does that make me bad?? ..... :( PUNISH ME... I should be licking and kissing the Chevys and Fords too, if not, that makes me very immature.. :rolleyes:

The dash is very nicely made if somebody is HONESTLY making the effort to become interested in the Tundra, otherwise it is ofcourse a trash anyway. No surprse there.
I think the Grill on the GM truck is too big and they have made it........... hmmmm.. what is the word I am looking for........... hmmm... Oh yes,.. "ugly". BUT my opinion........... RIGHT?? Correct.

I am thinking about joining the GMI website seriously now. Why should they NOT have the same material that we get EXPOSED to here... May be by January when I am free from my current projects and I have more time act immature at GMI.

I apologize for NOT saying YES to everything people have to say about Tundra. After all I am here because I have an interest in Toyota.

He was telling the truth, how many people did you see in the pictures of the tundra? How many did you see around the GM area? He was merely stating his opinion and what he saw. Thats childish? WTF?

What I meant by acting like an adult was that there was a rational conversation about the trucks. Go back and read some of the tundra posts on this site.... real mature stuff in there.

He was telling the truth, how many people did you see in the pictures of the tundra? How many did you see around the GM area? He was merely stating his opinion and what he saw. Thats childish? WTF?

What I meant by acting like an adult was that there was a rational conversation about the trucks. Go back and read some of the tundra posts on this site.... real mature stuff in there.


Do you really think there was one guy standing there all the time?
Do you know when that picture was taken?

Every person I have talked to on the street is very excited about the new Tundra. Are you telling me not one person is interested in the new Tundra as the PICTURES:rolleyes: portray it?

Yes. I have read all the comments on the GM board.

Here is what I have to say "I think the Tundra has way better styling in and out as compared to the domestics regardless of how much it is going to sell because of LOYAL truck buyers in the USA... " .................... Now that is my OPINION............ Oh I am sorry. I am not ALLOWED to say something like that here... Was it a TABOO comment?? Does that make me bad?? ..... :( PUNISH ME... I should be licking and kissing the Chevys and Fords too, if not, that makes me very immature.. :rolleyes:


Maybe not mature, but another word comes to mind....

Maybe not mature, but another word comes to mind....

Don't be shy. EXPRESS urself... PLEASE..!

Every person I have talked to on the street is very excited about the new Tundra. Are you telling me not one person is interested in the new Tundra as the PICTURES:rolleyes: portray it?



You walk up to people on the street and ask them about the new tundra? :lol:

As the PICTURES portray it, there appeared to be more interest in the GM area.

Don't know, wasn't there. :D

You walk up to people on the street and ask them about the new tundra? :lol:

As the PICTURES portray it, there appeared to be more interest in the GM area.

Don't know, wasn't there. :D


No. I live in a cave and never meet people. Come on. Try to stay realistic instead of TWISTING things so the outcome is against me.

I know more people would be interested in the GM/Ford.. Many many loyal followers from the previous 3-4 generations........ :rolleyes: .. PA had it....:rolleyes: GRAND PA had it..:rolleyes: and the GREAT GRAND PA had it....... :rolleyes:

........ but to assume that the Tundra is not attracting any attention based on the pictures.. is purely 5th grade... AND I am not saying that you are the one who made this assumption.

On first (and current) impression, I find myself liking the GM trucks' styling more... but you can't deny the UR V8 :rockon:

The proof will be in the sales. Everything else is opinion and while fun to read, means nothing.

Fan

The black Tundra looks pretty sharp. Was the regular cab and double cab Tundra there? For me I can't tell the difference just the way the rear door is designed. I would love to see a comparison picture of the new Tundra and GM trucks, just to get an idea how big each one compared to size. Thanks for the link.:thumbup:

The proof will be in the sales. Everything else is opinion and while fun to read, means nothing.

Fan

I would say out of all line of Toyota vehicles.. Tundra has the highest mountain of hate, resistance and loyalty to conquer. If QUALITY was the only thing Tundra had to deal with, there was nothing to worry about...

I won't be surprised if the private mechanics delibarately sabotage the Tundras, not that they won't do that to any vehicle.:lol:

Toyota sales cannot jump 500% in one month as Tundra is introduced so don't expect Tundra to start kicking ass immediately. It takes time.. Toyota is growing at a fast enough rate and personally I would not want to see it growing any faster. In the end the victory is in sight no matter what the antis have been saying for the last 50 years... :rolleyes:

I don't know, I'm not that impressed by the Tundra's interior...the HVAC buttons look like Playskool knobs (why so huge? Kids aren't going to be driving these things),

Work gloves....one of the demo's they are doing with the new Tundra is that everything can be handled with work gloves on.


and I still don't understand the huge off-center divide down the center console. It needs a different steering wheel...the current one looks more at home in a Camry.

As for the exterior, it's all about one's taste...but I prefer hard lines on trucks...the Tundra is too rounded off and the hood is too short for the height of it. There's weird curves all over the body that don't follow any overall design flow. The chrome grille borders on cartoonish. It's like Toyota tried too hard to make a macho truck.

But that's just my opinion...

This is definitely an 'eye of the beholder' area. The flat square bodies look to me like sheet metal glued to a frame. I used to suppy these blanks of steel to Ford and Chrysler and saw way way too many of them.

This is definitely an 'eye of the beholder' area. The flat square bodies look to me like sheet metal glued to a frame. I used to suppy these blanks of steel to Ford and Chrysler and saw way way too many of them. It is all opinion, but that's the way I feel. Toyota has made a competitive truck, but it feels like they don't truly understand the truck market...big chrome grilles slapped on and blocky HVAC knobs don't make a "macho" truck. Don't get me wrong, it seems like a decent effort...but the styling leaves a lot to be desired in my eyes.

This is definitely an 'eye of the beholder' area. The flat square bodies look to me like sheet metal glued to a frame. I used to suppy these blanks of steel to Ford and Chrysler and saw way way too many of them.

Not an eye of the beholder area but an area that is different than those traditional Chevy/Ford designs that at the end of the day stay almost the same.

I don't think Chevy is planning on updating their 10 year old dashboard too much... Is it too difficult for them to design something that looks more a 2007 than a 1990 model year?

Oh well, may be the truck market requires old boring look rather than something different that the Tundra has... May be people will love the new truck... we will see... :D

I don't think Chevy is planning on updating their 10 year old dashboard too much... Is it too difficult for them to design something that looks more a 2007 than a 1990 model year?

I'm not sure how one can look at the 2007 Silverado interior and say it looks "1990". The GMT-800 interiors were pure Rubbermaid, I admit, but I think these new interiors really step it up.

The Tundra looks WORLDS better in dark colors because it hides the odd creases and curves. Like I've always said, the interior is odd....very odd. But I don't know that it will hamper the truck's sales too much. It honestly looks like a solid effort from Toyota, but I don't see much of anything (yet) to tell me GM has slipped up with their new trucks.

Not an eye of the beholder area but an area that is different than those traditional Chevy/Ford designs that at the end of the day stay almost the same.

I don't think Chevy is planning on updating their 10 year old dashboard too much... Is it too difficult for them to design something that looks more a 2007 than a 1990 model year?

Oh well, may be the truck market requires old boring look rather than something different that the Tundra has... May be people will love the new truck... we will see... :D

And the Tundra doesn't have design cues from the F-150, Ram, or Silverado... riiiiiiight...... That's 100% Toyota design right there! ;)

I'm not sure how one can look at the 2007 Silverado interior and say it looks "1990". The GMT-800 interiors were pure Rubbermaid, I admit, but I think these new interiors really step it up.

The Tundra looks WORLDS better in dark colors because it hides the odd creases and curves. Like I've always said, the interior is odd....very odd. But I don't know that it will hamper the truck's sales too much. It honestly looks like a solid effort from Toyota, but I don't see much of anything (yet) to tell me GM has slipped up with their new trucks.

I am sorry. I didn't mean to put down your favorite GM trucks but just a Toyota fan's opinion. The Chevy truck also looks good in dark colors because it hides the bland truck appearance. Nothing wrong with having bland appearance.. Again my opinion.

The Tundra is something new and different. To a not so open Ford and GM fan, it is an immediate turn off for obvious reasons.

If it had looked like the Ford and GM, people would have said... "Oh good EFFORT from Toyota but it is a copy". One piece of grill, one door knob looks similar to another truck and the truck is labeled a copy EFFORT.

If it looks different now, it is considered weird by the antis and I use the word, "antis" in the most respectable way imaginable. Most TOYOTA fans definitely love it because in reality it is a cool looking truck with different exterior and interior.

No matter WHAT Toyota could have done, a loyal Ford/GM follower will always find something to frown about and care to also write about it many many times... just natural. UNLESS the GM/Ford fan is "open minded".. then there would be a decent analysis. Otherwise it would just be bland and usual put down comments. Sorry. Not trying to CATEGORIZE you or anything or directing anything towards you. Just a general comment.

As far as sales are concerned, like I mentioned somewhere else, the Toyota sales won't jump up 500% when the Tundra is introduced and the Chevy sales won't go down that much either.... It is about the market share "slipping" ................ "slowly" in most cases.... slowly and steadily..

Loyalty is not easy to win. If my PA and GRANDPA had Ford, it would be a tough mind for Tundra to break if the mind is not open and there is nothing wrong with it.. Ford lovers should buy Ford. GM lovers should by GM. The Toyota lovers should be "allowed" to admire their Toyotas... Would that be fair to say?

We are not he judges for how good the Toyota effort was here. Time will tell. Consumer will tell.. It is useless for us to continue stating/forcing our opinions on NON-likeminded people... and it is common knowledge here about who likes what brand, regardless of what board this is so different opinions will continue to come up about any Toyota.

I am going for the Sicilan Lasagna pizza at Pizza Hut in about 10 minutes. Trying it the first time cuz my wife insisted... Really excited about that.... :) I hope it is good....
.............. but Tundra will definitely be on the mind while I am chewing at it...

Go Tundra.... :thumbup: :cool: Can't wait... :thumbup: :cool:

I have sat many times in my friends's tundra. The interior of the old tundra was all wooden and nice, this one seemed plain! To me, its give the owner option to add options as it if would fit his/her lifesytle. let wait it out..to me those two tundra's seemed like bottom on the optional accessories.

I am sorry. I didn't mean to put down your favorite GM trucks but just a Toyota fan's opinion. The Chevy truck also looks good in dark colors because it hides the bland truck appearance. Nothing wrong with having bland appearance.. Again my opinion.

The Tundra is something new and different. To a not so open Ford and GM fan, it is an immediate turn off for obvious reasons.

If it had looked like the Ford and GM, people would have said... "Oh good EFFORT from Toyota but it is a copy". One piece of grill, one door knob looks similar to another truck and the truck is labeled a copy EFFORT.

If it looks different now, it is considered weird by the antis and I use the word, "antis" in the most respectable way imaginable. Most TOYOTA fans definitely love it because in reality it is a cool looking truck with different exterior and interior.

No matter WHAT Toyota could have done, a loyal Ford/GM follower will always find something to frown about and care to also write about it many many times... just natural. UNLESS the GM/Ford fan is "open minded".. then there would be a decent analysis. Otherwise it would just be bland and usual put down comments. Sorry. Not trying to CATEGORIZE you or anything or directing anything towards you. Just a general comment.

As far as sales are concerned, like I mentioned somewhere else, the Toyota sales won't jump up 500% when the Tundra is introduced and the Chevy sales won't go down that much either.... It is about the market share "slipping" ................ "slowly" in most cases.... slowly and steadily..

Loyalty is not easy to win. If my PA and GRANDPA had Ford, it would be a tough mind for Tundra to break if the mind is not open and there is nothing wrong with it.. Ford lovers should buy Ford. GM lovers should by GM. The Toyota lovers should be "allowed" to admire their Toyotas... Would that be fair to say?

We are not he judges for how good the Toyota effort was here. Time will tell. Consumer will tell.. It is useless for us to continue stating/forcing our opinions on NON-likeminded people... and it is common knowledge here about who likes what brand, regardless of what board this is so different opinions will continue to come up about any Toyota.

I am going for the Sicilan Lasagna pizza at Pizza Hut in about 10 minutes. Trying it the first time cuz my wife insisted... Really excited about that.... :) I hope it is good....
.............. but Tundra will definitely be on the mind while I am chewing at it...

Go Tundra.... :thumbup: :cool: Can't wait... :thumbup: :cool:
:werd: as always RAV4EVR :clap:


I really like the new Tundra, fanboy or not. The fact that it doesn't look like the domestic ones is a big plus. Interior is awesome, and I honestly understand why they did the 2-tone centre console, and if you don't then, you won't. The big knobs are a great idea, very ergonomic especially when wearing thick gloves. Big knobs are better than small knobs the last time I checked, and size does matter :lol:

As I have always said, let's reserve prejudgment and let the time tell.

UNLESS the GM/Ford fan is "open minded".. then there would be a decent analysis. Otherwise it would just be bland and usual put down comments.
Just because we're open minded does not mean we have to like the thing ;)

(For the record, 3UR V8 :rockon: )

Well after reading through the GM forum my conclusion is people are scared of the Tundra so they have to hate. The original poster with his original comment made that clear. He gave a nice detailed description of the GM truck and then said a few lines about the Tundra. After reading through these comments on this forum I think some people are hating because it does look better than their beloved Ford/GM. To settle this right now, if you did some reading you would know the big knobs are so that the workers can use the controls comfortably without taking their huge workgloves on, get a clue. To clear up one more thing, there is a Tundra with a bench seat that is CLEARLY shown in one of the pictures, and there is no floor shifter. Before you start yelling omg this sucks why don't you actually take the time to look it's not that hard. I agree with Mr. Rav4, the GM dash does look like it's from 1990 infact that's the first thing that popped in my head when I saw the picture. It looks like the same shape that's been on these trucks since way back with just a new gage cluster and universal radio. I really don't understand this universal radio thing. It's like they created a nice radio/HVAC for one model and next thing you know every car has the EXACT same dash and it's getting really old. My opinion is that those GM trucks look ugly and boring, and that Ford thing is UGLY! The Tundra looks amazing and is frightening those "loyal" Ford/GM owners, so when you get scared you hate.


-My final thought, I don't have time to be defending the Tundra because the Tundra doesnt need defending. The crap that GM puts out needs Defending, but the Toyota Tundra can stand on it's own.

Take a Closer Look :

http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00864ge9.jpg

http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00893rh4.jpg

Just because we're open minded does not mean we have to like the thing ;)

(For the record, 3UR V8 :rockon: )


Absolutely. :thumbup:

Well after reading through the GM forum my conclusion is people are scared of the Tundra so they have to hate. The original poster with his original comment made that clear. He gave a nice detailed description of the GM truck and then said a few lines about the Tundra. After reading through these comments on this forum I think some people are hating because it does look better than their beloved Ford/GM. To settle this right now, if you did some reading you would know the big knobs are so that the workers can use the controls comfortably without taking their huge workgloves on, get a clue. To clear up one more thing, there is a Tundra with a bench seat that is CLEARLY shown in one of the pictures, and there is no floor shifter. Before you start yelling omg this sucks why don't you actually take the time to look it's not that hard. I agree with Mr. Rav4, the GM dash does look like it's from 1990 infact that's the first thing that popped in my head when I saw the picture. It looks like the same shape that's been on these trucks since way back with just a new gage cluster and universal radio. I really don't understand this universal radio thing. It's like they created a nice radio/HVAC for one model and next thing you know every car has the EXACT same dash and it's getting really old. My opinion is that those GM trucks look ugly and boring, and that Ford thing is UGLY! The Tundra looks amazing and is frightening those "loyal" Ford/GM owners, so when you get scared you hate.


-My final thought, I don't have time to be defending the Tundra because the Tundra doesnt need defending. The crap that GM puts out needs Defending, but the Toyota Tundra can stand on it's own.

Well said... :thumbup:
PS... u can't say GM sucks here...:lol: It is supposed to be a "product".. :lol:

Well after reading through the GM forum my conclusion is people are scared of the Tundra so they have to hate.

I'm sure people said the same things about the Nissan Titan when it first came out on the Domestic boards, so I wouldn't draw too deep of a conclusion, or take what they say too personally.

With all the Domestic bashing/hating around here, I could imply that those people are "scared" of the product, but I don't feel that's the case.... ;)

the exterior styling depends on peoples preference, such as why people buy the honda ridgeline. keep in mind majority of truck buyers need to haul or tow something so the one thing they look for is power. they dont give a shit if it has aston martin beauty but they wont buy it if it has the power of a civic. the tundras engine is punie compared to its main competitors. how often do you see a tundra towing something compared to a f series or silverado..hell even titans. as long as the truck is comfortable, the interiors style wont be a factor.

if thats a double cab, what happened to their "..with four real doors" motto? i hope its just an extended cab that doesnt have suicide doors

the exterior styling depends on peoples preference, such as why people buy the honda ridgeline. keep in mind majority of truck buyers need to haul or tow something so the one thing they look for is power. they dont give a shit if it has aston martin beauty but they wont buy it if it has the power of a civic. the tundras engine is punie compared to its main competitors. how often do you see a tundra towing something compared to a f series or silverado..hell even titans. as long as the truck is comfortable, the interiors style wont be a factor.

if thats a double cab, what happened to their "..with four real doors" motto? i hope its just an extended cab that doesnt have suicide doors
I think it IS the extended cab. I don't believe they've realeased pics of the dbl cab yet... it's supposed to rival the dodge "megacab" in size.

As far as asthetics.... like you said as long as the interior is comfy I don't think interior style matters a WHOLE lot... BUT

When it comes to exterior style, I personally believe that plays a fairly good sized roll in a trucks sale. Would you want to drop anywhere from 15K for a base model to almost 50K for a fully loaded truck if you disliked the styling? Probably not. When it comes to power, towing etc... ALL of the mfgs will be so closely rated (in power and towing) that a sale may just come down to styling preference and price. Look at all of the options mfgs are offering now... lowering packages, street packs, x runners, big rims, lots of chrome... styling plays a BIG role. If it didn't these options wouldn't be available. As far as the Titan, it is a VERY powerful and competitive truck, but its sales (or lack of) don't reflect that at all! I personally think the Titan IS a good looking truck, but many others don't. You may be right, maybe sales will come down to towing, etc, but when I shop for a new truck I want it too look good. I can always option up for a more power engine or aftermarket upgrades such as exhaust, computer tunes, better air flow, etc to get an extra 20 to 30 HP out of the engine. Just my thoughts :)

With all the Domestic bashing/hating around here,..............

Is that a surprise considering the crowd ?? :confused:

Aren't the GMI people bashign the Tundra all the time... ?
ATLEAST we put up and listen to the GM and FORD news/pictures on a daily basis with minimal negative attitudes from most people. Are your people on GMI doing that? I don't think so. The Tundra pictures on GMI was put up only as a firing target. Nothing more.

See the big Ford discussion in the "General Discusson" area, people are very calm about and very RESPECTFUL except a few, regardless of who I personally agree with.

I mean I have had PRO-Toyota people MAD at me because I went too far putting the domestics down... That is how tolerant people are here. There are always open discussions about Ford and GM.

The last I checked the heading on this board, it did not say, "International Domestic truck Enthusiast Community.".......... :confused: :confused:

LOL !

When it comes to exterior style, I personally believe that plays a fairly good sized roll in a trucks sale. Would you want to drop anywhere from 15K for a base model to almost 50K for a fully loaded truck if you disliked the styling? Probably not.

Unless somebody is extremely loyal, looks definately play a big role, especially for people who are actually "debating" on which manufacturer to go to. :thumbup:

Let's take a very loyal Ford/GM person from this board, Toyota can design a heavely design and that won't change their mind.. but true for majority.... :)

I have seen MANY people who sit down and compare an SUV from 3 - 4 different manufacturers to see which one fits their need the best. They see styles/specs/warranty/price.. everything.. REGARDLESS of who made it and origin of the country..

Some people purely bought because of design.

Some bought because it was "their" company... :lol:

I think the new Tundra looks much better than the new Silverado (too geeky) and Ram (tries too hard). The Titan, F150 and new Sierra are all good looking trucks. I'm impressed with the interiors of the mid-to-uplevel F150s and uplevel Silverados/Sierras. The worktruck Silverado/Sierra interior is nothing special. The interiors of the Titan and Ram are nothing special, either. I think the Sierra and F150 are the best looking trucks in the segment. They also have an edge because they are conservatively styled and the vast majority of truck buyers are male, Southern and conservative, IMO. The Tundra may be too eccentric for some on one hand and, on the other, it may appeal to people because it is different.

The only problem I have with the Tundra's interior is the cheap-looking silver plastic on the driver's side. I highly doubt it is going to hold up well in low-end worktruck models. IMO, Toyota should have designed seperate interiors like GM. A normal, low-rentish worktruck interior and a high-end interior for those trucks that rarely see anything other than a Home Depot run in the spring. The HVAC knobs are a bit overdone as well but I understand the reasoning of making them so big.

Edit: Toyota also needs a spotless launch for the Tundra. No missing transmission gears or sudden acceleration or "taking care of problem at distribution centers." BS. Spotless. It will have an affect on sales for the rest of the Tundra's model cycle, if not more.

Edit II: And no more f-in mouse fur headliners!

Is that a surprise considering the crowd ?? :confused:

No. My only point was, why is it that the GM guys are "scared" when they down a product from another company but people here aren't "scared" when the same thing happens?

I don't think any of that is true.

Aren't the GMI people bashign the Tundra all the time... ?

I don't know, I'm not a member of GMI nor do I go there very often.

The Tundra pictures on GMI was put up only as a firing target. Nothing more.

I thought the original poster was "respectful" enough and offered criticisms of BOTH trucks.

The last I checked the heading on this board, it did not say, "International Domestic truck Enthusiast Community.".......... :confused: :confused:

Well, this is the "General Discussion" forum which means anything automotive is relevant...We have a general auto industry discussion board on the forum I visit and it's much like it is here. GM slant yes, but there are many people from all different backgrounds and preferences. It's pretty cool actually.

No. My only point was, why is it that the GM guys are "scared" when they down a product from another company but people here aren't "scared" when the same thing happens?

I don't think any of that is true.


Ummmm... cuz Toyota and GM are really not sharing that road named... "success"..... :rolleyes:
The one Toyota is on for the past 50 years....... The key here is 50 years.. SLOW and STEADY.... :)

Again, you may have an individual definition of GM's success in your mind but that is fine.




I don't know, I'm not a member of GMI nor do I go there very often.



OH MY GOD...........

OH MY GOD...........

I READ IT BUT DON'T BELIEVE IT...

Now,.. my curiousity has increased AGAIN after you gave me explanation on the Made in USA ideas you have in the other thread....


Why not?

A GM fan but TOYOTA site member with no INTEREST whatsoever in TOYOTA and no membership to the GM site...........OK forget membership, but doesn't even visit there often........... :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

OK... I am done for today.. I thought I had heard it all in my life.. :lol:

OH MY GOD...

OH MY GOD...

I am sorry. I am SHOCKED............... :drama: :headbang:



I thought the original poster was "respectful" enough and offered criticisms of BOTH trucks.



Respectful enough for a GM fan..YES !! LOL !

I don't know, I'm not a member of GMI nor do I go there very often.
WHOA WHOA WHOA!!! When did that happened? :eek:
And what's with the lack of this smilie--->:rolleyes: these days??? :D




OH MY GOD...........

OH MY GOD...........

I READ IT BUT DON'T BELIEVE IT...

Now,.. my curiousity has increased AGAIN after you gave me explanation on the Made in USA ideas you have in the other thread....


Why not?

A GM fan but TOYOTA site member with no INTEREST whatsoever in TOYOTA and no membership to the GM site...........OK forget membership, but doesn't even visit there often........... :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

OK... I am done for today.. I thought I had heard it all in my life.. :lol:

OH MY GOD...

OH MY GOD...

I am sorry. I am SHOCKED............... :drama: :headbang:
^^^ :lol: That's Colbert material :lol:

Not a GMI member, I am on a Camaro message board (my first love) and it serves its purpose just fine. I don't have time to keep up with 8 message boards. :)

Adult comments my ass...


I apologize for NOT saying YES to everything people have to say about Tundra. After all I am here because I have an interest in Toyota.

I managed to find one reasonable post on there....

Originally Posted by steverino
Sounds like the Tundra falls short again. Nice job GM
"Well, I am not so sure. I personally like the Silverado a lot, but I want to hear what other people were saying about the Toyota (http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38024#).
I know they can sell every vehicle they pull out.
They could replace the Camry with the Tundra and they'd sell 450,000 of them.
So GM needs to be on its guard.
It would be interesting to hear how the Tundra was received at the fair."

I can't wait till the Tundra comes out. I find you never REALLY get a true impression of the car until you see it in person.

Someone posted more pictures on GMI. The black Tundra looks very good in my eyes, at least.

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38341

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/SpiceAce/Toyota/2007%20Tundra/HPIM2929.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/SpiceAce/Toyota/2007%20Tundra/HPIM2943.jpg

Bigger and stronger than others:clap:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/SpiceAce/Toyota/2007%20Tundra/HPIM2930.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/SpiceAce/Toyota/2007%20Tundra/HPIM2931.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/SpiceAce/Toyota/2007%20Tundra/HPIM2932.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/SpiceAce/Toyota/2007%20Tundra/HPIM2933.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/SpiceAce/Toyota/2007%20Tundra/HPIM2937.jpg

Bigger ring gear doesn't necessarily mean stronger. The Ford 9" is legendary for its strength and durability. I don't know of any trucks that routinely waste their rear ends anyway....

Bigger ring gear doesn't necessarily mean stronger. The Ford 9" is legendary for its strength and durability. I don't know of any trucks that routinely waste their rear ends anyway....


Didn't the Titan have problems with this? Or was that something else? Sorry I don't know much about trucks:D :rolleyes:

Didn't the Titan have problems with this? Or was that something else? Sorry I don't know much about trucks:D :rolleyes:


There have been several fellas who have had blown rear axles on the 05+tacomas as well. It doesn't happen too often to any mfg, but it does happen.

Not a GMI member, I am on a Camaro message board (my first love) and it serves its purpose just fine. I don't have time to keep up with 8 message boards. :)


BECAUSE you spend most of your time on your MOST favorite and the most attractive love.... TOYOTA board............... :lol:

Come on man.. Give GM a little attention too... :lol:

I'm sure people said the same things about the Nissan Titan when it first came out on the Domestic boards, so I wouldn't draw too deep of a conclusion, or take what they say too personally.

With all the Domestic bashing/hating around here, I could imply that those people are "scared" of the product, but I don't feel that's the case.... ;)

But the difference is, when the Titan came out, it didn't really have anything special to offer. Extremely limited cab choices, bed sizes, not to mention only *one* engine offering. On top of that, numerous quality issues have plagued the Titan. Engine power was not class leading, and towing technically wasn't class-leading either, as a Silverado had a bigger max tow rating. The only thing class leading I remember about the Titan was torque output.

Titan sales have never come close to the current *dated* Tundra, and the Tundra upon it's first year of release had around 100,000 annual sales. The Titan, significantly less.

The new Tundra is supposed to be improved in almost every way compared to the current Tundra. It is a big leap forward compared to the old Tundra, and a big leap ahead of the Titan also. Toyota's increasing success in the Nascar truck series also means increased loyalty for the Tundra.

Over the years, hate and jealousy for Toyota has increased in parallel with Toyota's increasing success. The new Tundra is certainly striking a cord with a lot of domestic fans and owners, which is why there is so much hate towards it. You hardly hear about Titan hate, simply because that trucks poses no threat in terms of competitiveness or sales. This is also the case with some hate against Toyota being in Nascar. Their dominance in the truck series is causing a lot of envy and jealousy among certain domestic die-hards, and instead of expressing their hate towards American automakers, or their favourite Nascar teams, they are expressing their hate at Toyota.

Toyota is keeping specific specs of the Tundra secret up until the last moment, and continues to release new info on a very gradual basis. Even domestic truck fans are getting impatient and dare I say, eager, to find out the full specs of the new Tundra in order to judge it's competitiveness. I'm not saying anything concrete here, but historically, when Toyota would hold secret information on a new model up until the very last moment ... that usually meant that new model was full of surprises.

Guys, back off Z28Wilson alil. He's not bashing the Tundra, just giving his opinion. As for me, the Tundra is all Toyota styling. It looks exactly like the 3 or 4 year old Concept truck. Thats back b4 Ford redesigned its F150. So it doesn't look like an F150.. Big grilles, the LandCruiser 60 series, and 100 series have big grilles, are they considered copy cats? Tundra can have a big grille just like its older siblings :)

I like the Black one better than teh Blue I've been seeing.

g success in the Nascar truck series also means increased loyalty for the Tundra.

Over the years, hate and jealousy for Toyota has increased in parallel with Toyota's increasing success. The new Tundra is certainly striking a cord with a lot of domestic fans and owners, which is why there is so much hate towards it. You hardly hear about Titan hate, simply because that trucks poses no threat in terms of competitiveness or sales. This is also the case with some hate against Toyota being in Nascar. Their dominance in the truck series is causing a lot of envy and jealousy among certain domestic die-hards, and instead of expressing their hate towards American automakers, or their favourite Nascar teams, they are expressing their hate at Toyota.

:thumbup: :clap:

Yes.. But nobody will admit it.. NEVER.. EVER... It is a human thing. If u admit it, you loose..

Most will hide behind the word, "opinion".... LOL !

Nowadays "opinions" are not supposed to be referred to as "bashing"......... I want to know the definition of bashing in that case.

Originally Posted by Z28Wilson
Not a GMI member, I am on a Camaro message board (my first love) and it serves its purpose just fine. I don't have time to keep up with 8 message boards. :)


BECAUSE you spend most of your time on your MOST favorite and the most attractive love.... TOYOTA board............... :lol:

Come on man.. Give GM a little attention too... :lol:
Do you agree or not Mr.Wilson?

You have to realize, we are shocked to hear that you are not member of GMI but Toyota is your most favorite board.

Do you agree or not Mr.Wilson?

You have to realize, we are shocked to hear that you are not member of GMI but Toyota is your most favorite board.

This board is not my "favorite" board. It's entertaining though, sure. For every 2 minutes I spend here I probably spend 20 surfing the GM boards.

Toyota has had unbelievable success in NCTS. That is why I have little doubt, after a year or two, that they will have great success in Nextel Cup racing as well. I've said that several times.

As far as the Titan goes, Nissan made a terrible mistake in limiting its reach. To this day it still features the most standard horsepower in the class...but what they never realized is that a lot of people don't need the horsepower in their low-end truck and the price that comes with it. GM, Ford and Dodge offer infinitely various configurations and options, including the heavy duty models that give the rest of the line credibility. There is literally a truck for everyone. Perhaps Nissan wanted to stay focus and build one good truck before getting bigger?

Tundra is on the right course. This one will be good enough to take sales from the Ram mostly, and those on the fringe that aren't brand-loyal. I think a steady 200,000 units a year would be a coup for Toyota.

This board is not my "favorite" board. It's entertaining though, sure. For every 2 minutes I spend here I probably spend 20 surfing the GM boards.

Wait ... I thought EARLIER u said u didn't go/surf/member the GM boards...

Now you are saying that u do surf GM boards...

When I said, "favorite", I was being sarcastic.. We all know you only like GM... dhuuuu.. :lol:

If you spend only 20% of ur time on Toyota board, and 80% on the other boards... and I know you post quiet a bit here... I am curious to know what kind of business you are in. What do u do for living?

........ unless ofcourse u r in college and picked a major that is not so challenging. Cuz in college I didn't have more than 20 minutes to F chicks per session... LOL !!

Cuz... about 10 posts here per day and I start getting behind on my work and end up staying late... and I happen to LOVE this place...

I do sometimes dread coming here if I am really busy because if I get tangled up in something it would mean I am staying late to finish my work..............

Rav.

Lay off the personal attacks. Seriously.

At lunch right now, have a few more minutes....

Wait ... I thought EARLIER u said u didn't go/surf/member the GM boards...

No, I said I don't usually check out GMI. There are many more GM sites out there than just GMI, sparky.

If you spend only 20% of ur time on Toyota board, and 80% on the other boards... and I know you post quiet a bit here... I am curious to know what kind of business you are in. What do u do for living?

IT. I usually only post here when something really peaks my interest, or I disagree with something and have something to back my point up with, or when you attack me. :lol:

So how's that Tundra? (apparently it's taken a backseat on a thread made to discuss it)

IT. I usually only post here when something really peaks my interest, or I disagree with something and have something to back my point up with, or when you attack me. :lol:
Boy.. I am sure there is a company out there (GM) with too many employees in their IT department and not much work... :lol: but doesn't matter..
We know why GM is loosing money.... LOL !!!!

Oh sorry for attacking u because you are attacking ALL TOYOTA posts on this board all day long during ur IT work... ... :lol:

Something that attracts u here.. It should be everything here... Cuz everything is Toyota related and u have to attack it or ur daily GM ritual won't be complete... :lol:

Anyways I think it looks gorgeous black on black. I cant wait to see how it looks with some 35" tires on black steelies = :hititsign really hard
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a97/snook26/HPIM2929copy.jpg

Anyways I think it looks gorgeous black on black. I cant wait to see how it looks with some 35" tires on black steelies = :hititsign really hard
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a97/snook26/HPIM2929copy.jpg

Yes that would be nice too.
I can't wait till February.