Anyone have experience with this subwoofer enclosure? Can you help!?

I am planning to do a full Elemental Designs setup in the back.

I e-mailed Music Moose Audio and they told me that the eD subs that I want to use will fit. So that seems cool!

They said I would need to "cut the bolt brackets". Does anyone know what they mean?

I am willing to cut what needs to be cut, I just want to know what they mean! :lol:

Can you guys post a pic if possible?

Thank you TN!



Here is the box I am going to buy...

http://www.musicmooseaudio.com/cgi-bin/image/templates/tacomadoublecab.JPG

http://www.musicmooseaudio.com/tacoma_double_cab.html

When you remove the storage bins behind the seat you will see the metal brackets that the bolts went into. Thats what has to be removed. I used a spot weld drill bit to drill out the spot welds, that way the brackets wouldnt be destroyed and coule be remounted later if needed.

Tim

Ok!

I don't think I have the tool you used.

I don't plan on re-installing the bracket later on.

What tool do you think I can use? Something simple!

Norcal just take it to your customs shop. Im sure they'll charge you a bargain of only $100/hr. jk jk.

I am willing cut to what needs to be cut

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: you cut, you no anal.:lol:

i think they are talking bout the two crossbeams that the two storage bins fasten to. like tim said.:)

^ I am going to CUT both of you ASAP!

:lol:

I believe it's a little piece of sheet metal on the brace that the bolt goes through. I think I have seen it.

Am, I right?

Just my $.02 here.....I'd leave the braces across the back for structural integrity.....just have a stereo shop near you build you the same type box with "notch's" in the back for the bar after the plastic is removed......a carpeted box like that wouldn't cost too much......

after looking at the link....its already got the notch! sounds like these bolt brackets are something other than the long beams that run the back lenght of the cab.......GOOD LUCK!

Thanks.

I think it's just a tiny piece of sheet metal, not the entire brace.

Can anyone confirm? Can anyone post a pic!?

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Yeah its just like 4 brackets if i remember right. They can be cut with tin snips probablly. A pair of dykes i had was good enough to cut through them. Its not the crossbeams. Those will stay put and the child harness brackets stay put as well. They are just sheet metal bent with a thread for the bolts. Youll see when you remove the bins, its not to difficult actually.If you look at the box design, the raised area in the middle runs the full length of the box, this accomadates the brace. However the brackets need to be cut so the box will sit flush against the wall.

Tim

my buddy is a stereo installer were i live and we had to take the strips out. he built me a enclosed box for two ten inch memphis subs and it freaking bangs for two tens

NorCal, do you know if the volume space is good for your eD subs? It looks quite big on each side.

You should give Marv a call. You're not that far from him.

dont have a clue. the box takes up the entire space in the back. the shop uses the crap out of the memphis brand but the depth is so shallow that i only had one sub to chooso from out of their entire brand of subs

Thanks.

I think it's just a tiny piece of sheet metal, not the entire brace.

Can anyone confirm? Can anyone post a pic!?

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Here ya go. Leave the top 2 alone since they are used to secure your rear seat. The middle and bottom brackets can go.

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120095&page=4

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Have the exact box in my truck, you don't have to cut anything. Just remove the plastic bins and it falls in, tight fit. I'll take pictures this weekend if you'd like.

I left the plastic backs on the seat as well, but I may take them out when I sound deaden my truck because they vibrate a little when the stereo's turned up.

OMG, I love you 2K6TAC. :heart:

Thank you!

So Vitruvius, you have the exact same box and you did not have to cut anything?

What subs are you using!?

OMG, I love you 2K6TAC. :heart:

Thank you!

So Vitruvius, you have the exact same box and you did not have to cut anything?

What subs are you using!?

Not a single thing, just unbolt the plastic bins and it fits right in. If you look at the center of the picutre, there's a piece that sticks out. That sticks out for the full length of the box, allowing room for those brackets to stay in there. I'm using some crappy old 300w subs I bought from a drug dealer, and a 600w walmart amp. Believe the subs are 10" Panasonics and the amp is a dual channel lightning audio. I'll take a look tomorrow and tell you for sure. I'll also take some pictures this weekend.

Have the box for almost a year now. Its solid, well made. When you drop it in, the fit is really tight. First time I tried to close the seats they wouldn't even latch, so I was pissed and I slammed it, latched. So I took the other one and closed it a little harder than normal and it latched. So it does fit, and seats do latch, just have to push on them a little harder than normal.

And the size of the subs wouldn't make a difference in wether you'd have to cut anything to make the box fit...

That is great!

BTW: How did you remove the rear plastic compartments?

Did you remove the seats or did you just pull them out as hard as possible with the seats still installed?

Left the seats installed, there may be a few bolts, I don't remember. If not, I just pulled them out. Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure there a few bolts under some plastic that you have to pop off, just clipped on. They weren't the slightest bit difficult to remove.

Sweet man.

I should have got this setup before!

I am an idiot. I should be ordering the box soon. :lol:

The middle brackets do not have to be removed, those will fit in the groove of the box.


Here ya go. Leave the top 2 alone since they are used to secure your rear seat. The middle and bottom brackets can go.

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120095&page=4

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/3425/img06205jn.jpg

Only thing I'm not 100% about... I'm not sure if my truck had those brackets on the bottom. I definately didn't remove them if I do have them, anyone know for sure if all the trucks have them? My truck's a fairly early 05.

Hmmm.

My truck is an 05 as well.

If I have to remove them, it's no big deal.

Now I know what I need to remove before hand so I am not tripping out when I am installing my shit!

Sorry, I'm too lazy to check right now, after midnight. I'm 100% sure I didn't remove anything besides the plastic bins. I'm just fuzzy on wether I saw those bottom brackets or not, I want to say I did, but I'm not sure. I'll let ya know tomorrow for sure, if I can manage to get the box out myself, helps to have someone help you just because of the size and the tight fit. Have to pull equally on each side, same with install. If it gets cocked a little one way or the other, won't fit.

^ Thanks for your help!

You don't have to go out and remove your setup. I am good with the info you gave me!

Now, I just need to start ordering my shit! :lol:

If you jave the bins in the back then the brackets are there. I have an 06 dbl cab. If you look at the bottom brackets you can see the holes for the bolts that hold the bins in. I just removed those and my box sat flush with the wall and i did NOt have to slam my seats shut. If removed the box will mount properly and have plenty of room so the subs wont hit the seats when up.

Tim

Where are you going to mount the amps?
How thick is the MDF?

Where are you going to mount the amps?
How thick is the MDF?

I mounted my amp in the center section, since I'm using a fairly small one.

I think the MDF is 3/8" to 1/2" thick, solid as hell. Can't remember exactly.

You didn't even have to remove the baby seat brackets? I don't see how that's possible.

OMG, I love you 2K6TAC. :heart:


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I can't wait to cop!

Once I sell my wheels and tires, I will be in BUSINESS! :clap: :whatwhat:

You didn't even have to remove the baby seat brackets? I don't see how that's possible.

Nope, if you look at the center of the box on the picuture, there's like a 3 inch tall section that sticks out from the wall of the box. This section doesn't just stick out in the middle, but runs the full length of the box, allowing room for the crossbeam with the baby brackets to stay in place.

Thats right, the child restraint brackets do not have to come out. These box types will fit over the brackets with the recessed backing it has.

It's pretty hard to describe, so I tried to draw it. May make it worse, lol.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fkov/box.jpg

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I found an even better box!

Cheaper and larger!

The box I was originally going to order had a depth of 5.75.

This new one has a depth of 6! A little more room just in case!

$10 less and $5 less on shipping!

I will be ordering ASAP!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220037091781&fromMakeTrack=true

nice im also thinking of doin this depends how your turns out.. same box also.
hey virtruvius. do you have a pic of your setup?

^ I am going to order the box tomorrow. It will be a while before I get it.

When I get the box, I will go ahead and take some good measurements and order the subs and amp.

nice im also thinking of doin this depends how your turns out.. same box also.
hey virtruvius. do you have a pic of your setup?

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How do you properly remove the brackets or bolts?

How do you properly remove the brackets or bolts?

Which ones? Don't have to remove any brackets for this box, but you do have to remove the black storage bins behind the seats. Just have to find the bolts and they come right out.

The middle brackets do not have to be removed, those will fit in the groove of the box.


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Mr Marv is building me a Box for 3 10s, or 2 10s. Not sure yet. So i was wondering if i have t0 remove those metal brackets or bolts etc....

NorCalTacoma, I been following your post in your neverending quest for that perfect sub enclosures. I seen many good designs and many shall we say "ack". I know everyone is entitle to their own humble opinion but here's mine.

The way I see it. This is my truck. It's brand new, my toy, my baby, and so on. So anything I get for it so going to be like OE quality or better. When I was researching for the "perfect head unit". I found many to be on the superior to o my gawd how much for that head unit again?" type of deal. With many pointing the finger toward Eclipse brand, I opted for that. Since it adapt to the stock factory harness sans if you have the JBL (Junk Brand Limited) system. I was shock to even learn the it will accept the factory steering controls. So Eclipse it is. So upon stumbling on your Schoshe "drop in" sub enclosure, I was set on getting that one for my double cab. A few phone calls and 1 day later voila my sub enclosure is here. :clap:

Though I haven't installed it yet, still debating on which sub to get. Since I ran into a predicatment on where to place my Hifonics 5 channel amp. But we'll discuss that later in another thread. I'm quite please how well it fit and only gripe I have was "why in the hell did they stick the speaker terminal in front? Why not on the side or bottom? All this work in engineering a box that would drop right in your cubby hole and they half ass the terminal?

Here's my take on sub enclosure. Since I mentioned that many of us enjoy our vehicles and take care of it. Everything I do I take my time. Hell when I installed my Eclipse head unit that damned thing took me the whole weekend. Running the wires for the back up camera, GPS antennae for the NAV, and Sirius antennae was the bulk and headache. I don't like to cut, weld, mock up, grind, or remove anything factory. Even then I was iffy on drilling another hole to run all the wires into the car till I found a gromet under the driver side you can run into from the outside. Honestly any sub enclosure, radio, amp, or whatever you're installing requires grinding, cutting, removing, bending, or hack anything that pertains to factory parts is not worth installing. Sound to me the person or company didn't really spend that much time behind the monitor to make things fit right. You shouldn't resort to asking people how many brackets to cut, drill, or remove. It should pop right in with very little"modifications". And what I mean by modification is simple hand tools. Phillips screwdriver, a flat head screwdriver, pliers, and 6mm,8mm, or 10mm socket. Any instruction that depicts a drill, hammer, or jig saw. I would highly stay away.

And last options and I know many may not agree with me. Take it to a professional installer. Tell them the requirement. Tell them you cannot cut or drill into any of my body, or anything that loosesly attach to the cab. If they are pro's they can accomodate your needs. Remember customer is always right. So I wish you the best of luck in your quest to find that sub enclosure because one day others and I may walk down that path you are walking now. ;)

What's up guys! I don't normally post in these threads but I have had NUMEROUS calls/emails referencing this thread and some things in it. My appologies for the hijack but I figured it would be easier to post here since a lot of people seem to be reading this.

I have not personally seen any of these products and I don't know the quality of them. Even if I had, I am not one to comment on them rather I would prefer to just tell you what I do and why I do it.

First, I am just a car audio fanatic like some of you guys that happens to be a cabinetmaker! I hand build everything personally using 17+ years of cabinetmaking experience. Although the 13mm multi-ply birch I use is more expensive and MUCH more difficult to work with than MDF, I prefer to use it for several reasons in this application where you have very limited space.

The 13mm birch is actually stronger than 3/4" MDF while being MUCH lighter (I wouldn't use/recommend anything less than 5/8" MDF). This allows me to squeeze out as much airspace as possible as well as adding a 1/4" to the mounting depth while maintaining a solid/strong enclosure. I could make the slot in the back wider/deeper to keep the child seat hooks but most guys like the amp rack in the middle and this would take up too much of the limited airspace for most applications. For the guys that actually need to use the child seat hooks I also make a design that sits below the hooks.

Hope this answers all the questions and feel free to call/email me with any others (or if you just want to BS about car audio :cool: )

Again, my appologies for the hijack and if the moderators feel this is inappropriate please delete it and I will not post it again.

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Mr Marv is building me a Box for 3 10s, or 2 10s. Not sure yet. So i was wondering if i have t0 remove those metal brackets or bolts etc....

The brackets circled in red were a PITA to take out for me. I ended up drilling out the 3 spot welds and then carefully prying them off. If you drill out the spot welds right, they should just fall off. As for the brackets circled in green, they're easy if you have a grinder with a cut off wheel.

Hope this helps.

And Marv...you can post any time. :clap:

I still have not got around to ordering my system or buying HIDs.

After much research on this site I decided to go with this box. Not sure if I need two subs, but I wanted to fill in the area behind the seats to keep it factory/custom looking.

I myself took Norcals advice via pm....I am going to be running the complete elemental design suite....amp nine2x and 11kv.2 subs....i also got my enclosure from Mr marv via ebay...everything gets here and will be installed tomorow....pics will soon follow

Hey Rhino... did you get you enclosure installed? Any pics?

Joe.

i have this box in my tacoma with 2 infinity 10s and i didnt have to cut anything..it is a little bit of a tight fit but it worked. if you are sure you dont need any of those brackets anymore, you might as well cut them out to make it easier on yourself...but, you dont have to. i just had to remove the back seat to get it in there..it's a well made box though, pleased with the sound too!! good luck!

Hey Rhino... did you get you enclosure installed? Any pics?

Joe.



i can snap some today and post em up for u...i love the enclosure and the subs..

i have this box in my tacoma with 2 infinity 10s and i didnt have to cut anything..it is a little bit of a tight fit but it worked. if you are sure you dont need any of those brackets anymore, you might as well cut them out to make it easier on yourself...but, you dont have to. i just had to remove the back seat to get it in there..it's a well made box though, pleased with the sound too!! good luck!

Yeah, I have come to the conclusion that if you want the box to sit flat against the back of the cab, those brackets must come off. Leaving the brackets there pushes the box farther forward causing the problem you faced. Taking the seat backs off is one solution. The other is removing the brackets :) Also, all of these boxes have different depths at the bottom (in turn changing the maximum mounting depth). I would imagine the deeper boxes would require the brackets to be removed (and the seat back).

Joe.

I have the same box with 2 Image Dynamics IDQ10 Subs. The recommended max for these subs in a sealed enclosure is .70 cubic feet. I would have to go ported if it was anything above .75 according to the spec sheet. I can't seem to figure out where to port the box. The top of the box seems to be out of the question as there isnt enough width to drill on put a pipe. Any suggestions? The box is .75 cubic feet.

Lee

Yeah, I have come to the conclusion that if you want the box to sit flat against the back of the cab, those brackets must come off. Leaving the brackets there pushes the box farther forward causing the problem you faced. Taking the seat backs off is one solution. The other is removing the brackets :) Also, all of these boxes have different depths at the bottom (in turn changing the maximum mounting depth). I would imagine the deeper boxes would require the brackets to be removed (and the seat back).

Joe.

This is true, i checked out my box yesterday and i can see where the metal behind the seat has rubbed some of the carpet down to the wood b/c the box is leaning forward..i may go ahead and cut those brackets off as well..i didnt think it would make that much of a difference in the first place but i guess i was wrong!!