Is Toyota's Quality Slipping?

By Joe Benton
ConsumerAffairs.Com
October 11, 2006
Is Toyota's quality slipping? The company lost ground in an annual vehicle value survey. While many consumers still give the Japanese automaker high markssome analysts are suggesting the auto giant is growing too fast in its pursuit of General MotorsSan Diego-based Strategic Vision surveyed more than 64,000 people who purchased new vehicles from October 2005 to March 2006. Consumers were surveyed after 90 days of ownership and asked if they thought they got their money�s worth.Toyota, which had seven segment winners in 2005....Continues At Link (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/10/toyota_quality.html).

Read it, hate it, love it, do what you want; just don't shoot the messenger.

Hey, another one out of the thousand articles about the same shit. Seems like journalists nowadays got nothing new to write about.

Theey will one they see Ford's Q3 results.

^That post absolutely made no sense whatsoever.

In short. Yes, yes it is slipping.

and it bothers me alot...but at least theyre being fairly proactive about it.

We'll see how things go in the next few years. Theyre still tops though. The only other thing i'd buy is MAYBE a honda...or a dodge challenger or chevy camaro when they come out...and thats just me being irrational b/c theyre sweet cars :smokin:

Toyota needs to stop the obsession with trying to overtake General Motors and start getting back to focusing on quality. GM isn't on the death bed anymore and they're getting stronger day by day...and there's new pressure from Hyundai, Ford, and others. They need to refocus on the mantra of "quality is #1."

Toyota also needs to scold the dealers who pull crap on the customers like was mentioned in the article. Some of the excuses were just absurd.
"I had noted other cars (at the dealership) had varying degrees of the drip strip immediately below the dip in the door. I received the ridiculous explanation from the service manager that this was 'orange peel & they can't help that the customer doesn't like where the manufacturer put it.'" Either the guy doesn't know what orange peel is or he's blatently lying through his teeth...you don't "put" orange peel on a car... :ugh3:

"We went in there today to get some rattling corrected in the window and had (written) on the back window about the car being a lemon. This upset them and the service manager told us to remove it or he would call the police." LOL, I hope they were kidding. How does writing on your own car justify them threatening to call the police??

:snore:

Someone please wake me up when there's something new and fresh to talk about....

Some of the claims seem valid but this guy here, come on! What? he didn't like his bling bling rims that are optional or the seats are too low??? He didn't notice that when he bought it? :rolleyes:

Art in Florida is fed up with his 2006 Toyota Tundra truck. "I have never paid so much for a truck and got so little. From the 20-inch tires to the seats that have been lowered so nothing can be stored under them. I hate this truck."

So I agree with the Avalon owner. That sounds crappy, and from what ive heard, they arent the best so far.

The lady complaining about her Prius with the "Toyota Advertised" 60 mpg, talk to the EPA about that.

And of course, the Tundra guy needs to be more careful when he buys. Dont like the seats, dont buy.

:lol: ....... too funny... :lol:

Mind is a terrible thing to waste if it is used to determine that a "recall" can tell us about a car's long term durability. :lol:


Last I heard, GM still had plans to continue closing plants....LOL !!

Toyota has got nothing to worry about but focus on LESS recalls.... and they are proactively working on it..........

Funny...did we suddenly pickup new users of GM origin?

Toyota has nothing to worry about. GM can't get better when they're focused on cost cutting rather than building their infrastructure. Last time I heard, GM was still screwing over their long term multi-vehicle customers where Toyota's rewarding them.

Funny how product loyalty and customer service means nothing to GM.

And where was GM mentioned in this article again? :yawn:

I think some of these "shock and awe" articles about Toyota quality are premature. They were able to find, what, 3 or 4 unsatisfied Toyota owners (1, as pointed out, apparently didn't even bother to look at the Tundra before buying it :rolleyes: )? With Toyota sales and market share constantly increasing, it would stand to reason that there are far more satisfied owners than dissatisfied.

No, Toyota's quality is not slipping. With the increase in production, of course you are going to see more problems. Thats just a matter of probability.
Dsmnick, Toyota is not obsessed with becoming #1. They have said time and time and time again that quality always was, still is and will always be job #1. If Ford and GM took that lesson to heart, perhaps they wouldnt be on their deathbeds right now.
Rollaxrs, we've had some of these GM guys for a while now. They come here for no other reason than to brag up the domestics while they cut down Toyota every chance they get.

^^^ :lol: Sad but true (about the last statement) especially the constant posting of new domestic vehicles that, frankly, most of us couldn't give a fuck about.

Dsmnick, Toyota is not obsessed with becoming #1. They have said time and time and time again that quality always was, still is and will always be job #1. If Ford and GM took that lesson to heart, perhaps they wouldnt be on their deathbeds right now.



:thumbup: .......... CORRECT. I have found no evidence of Toyota trying to become number one. People just want more and more of their cars and as a result they may become #1 which would be nice.


Rollaxrs, we've had some of these GM guys for a while now. They come here for no other reason than to brag up the domestics while they cut down Toyota every chance they get.
:thumbup: ............ CORRECT. We have ONE main GM guy here and ONE main FORD "dude" here. The rest of the ANTIs have a little self respect and are a little more SECURE.

Well, to be fair its not like Toyota isnt trying to be #1. They are. After all, its a business and at the end of the day its all about selling more vehicles and making more money than the next guy.
However, they arent obsessed with the bragging rights.

No, Toyota's quality is not slipping. With the increase in production, of course you are going to see more problems. Thats just a matter of probability.
Dsmnick, Toyota is not obsessed with becoming #1. They have said time and time and time again that quality always was, still is and will always be job #1. If Ford and GM took that lesson to heart, perhaps they wouldnt be on their deathbeds right now.
Rollaxrs, we've had some of these GM guys for a while now. They come here for no other reason than to brag up the domestics while they cut down Toyota every chance they get.Riiight. That's why recalls have been doubling each year for the past three years. 400K or so in 2003. 1.2 million in 2004. and 2.2 million last year. I don't know about you, but when the number of vehicles recalled jumps like that over a period of three years, I would be a little worried.

GM and Ford have taken that lesson to heart. You continually ignore it, but residual value is up for Ford and GM and retail sales continue to climb. GM is doing better and Ford is hurting a little, but nowhere near the deathbed. Exaggerate much?

As for not wanting to be #1...so that's why they blew $800K on a new plant in Texas to give them 150,000 extra units of capacity for big trucks at a time when Americans are increasingly moving into smaller vehicles. Hmm...sounds like they pulled that one out of Detroit's playbook.

There is ABSOLUTELY no evidence of GM or Ford finally turning on the success drive as a whole company AS COMPARED to Toyota. Dreamers can dream on. Last I heard, the plants will continue to shut down and lay offs will continue for both companies until atleast 2008. The companies will not disappear. Toyota will not let that happen for the fear of patriotic wars thanks to some stubborn freaks so no worries there but they will be reduced to a manageable size producing vehicles only for the minority that does not want to change.

Selling one or two lines of cars successfully does not change the whole company... LOL !!! How stupid.

The GM subsidiary I used to work for until last year layed off about a 1000 workers in Rochester Hills area last week. All my ex-coworkers lost their job. That will not stop for a while.
:rolleyes:

........ and yes Toyota continues to HIRE incase somebody wasn't smart enough to hear that in the news yet. May be smart enough to hear but dumb enough to not admit...:rolleyes: .. Toyota is putting up new plants.......... and LET US HEAR ABOUT GM AND FORD DOING THAT..... Well?................. Huh??.......... I am sorry... I didn't get that..... Say that again.......................... What?................ U admit that u r and idiot if u r saying that GM and Ford are being successful now....... Kool !

I thought so.

GM and Ford have not had the LUXURY of growing like Toyota. No company in this world has had that luxury. I am very happy with the way Toyota is handling its growth..

Forget what GM and Ford will do in that situation, they don't even have the word "stability" in their dictionary forget about "growth".

Again,... people can say "No" to all that. Facts stay. Dreamers stay.

There is ABSOLUTELY no evidence of GM or Ford finally turning on the success drive as a whole company AS COMPARED to Toyota. Dreamers can dream on. Last I heard, the plants will continue to shut down and lay offs will continue for both companies until atleast 2008. The companies will not disappear. Toyota will not let that happen for the fear of patriotic wars thanks to some stubborn freaks so no worries there but they will be reduced to a manageable size producing vehicles only for the minority that does not want to change.

Selling one or two lines of cars successfully does not change the whole company... LOL !!! How stupid.

The GM subsidiary I used to work for until last year layed off about a 1000 workers in Rochester Hills area last week. All my ex-coworkers lost their job. That will not stop for a while.
:rolleyes:

........ and yes Toyota continues to HIRE incase somebody wasn't smart enough to hear that in the news yet. May be smart enough to hear but dumb enough to not admit...:rolleyes: .. Toyota is putting up new plants.......... and LET US HEAR ABOUT GM AND FORD DOING THAT..... Well?................. Huh??.......... I am sorry... I didn't get that..... Say that again.......................... What?................ U admit that u r and idiot if u r saying that GM and Ford are being successful now....... Kool !

I thought so.

GM and Ford have not had the LUXURY of growing like Toyota. No company in this world has had that luxury. I am very happy with the way Toyota is handling its growth..

Forget what GM and Ford will do in that situation, they don't even have the word "stability" in their dictionary forget about "growth".

Again,... people can say "No" to all that. Facts stay. Dreamers stay.
Was I talking to you?

Was I talking to you?

Was I talking to you? There are other people in the audience. Not ur thread either.

Riiight. That's why recalls have been doubling each year for the past three years. 400K or so in 2003. 1.2 million in 2004. and 2.2 million last year. I don't know about you, but when the number of vehicles recalled jumps like that over a period of three years, I would be a little worried.

GM and Ford have taken that lesson to heart. You continually ignore it, but residual value is up for Ford and GM and retail sales continue to climb. GM is doing better and Ford is hurting a little, but nowhere near the deathbed. Exaggerate much?

As for not wanting to be #1...so that's why they blew $800K on a new plant in Texas to give them 150,000 extra units of capacity for big trucks at a time when Americans are increasingly moving into smaller vehicles. Hmm...sounds like they pulled that one out of Detroit's playbook.
Toyota built that plant in Texas to increase Tunda production in order to keep up with demand. Toyota could sell a lot more Tundras than they do now, but they just cant keep up with demand. When the new Tundra comes out the demand is going to go up even more because it will offer Toyota quality and dependability with just as much capability as any other 1/2 ton truck on the market.
Ford and GM might be doing better, but they are far from being out of the woods. They still cant match the Japanese in terms of small car fuel economy and they still havent addressed quality concerns (wasnt it Ford who had a recent recall on the 500 and a few other vehicles?) Just because GM recently restyled their gas guzzling trucks and SUVs, I wouldnt consider that a full turnaround.
Still think Toyota's investment in fullsize trucks is foolish? Read this: http://www.nyse.com/interface/jsp/NHDetail.jsp?RequestID=2&pageID=NewsHeadlines&sid=ON%2010/17%20933&isdowjones=true
People might be going to small vehicles in the car market, but when it comes to trucks the old adage still holds true: bigger is better.

Was I talking to you? There are other people in the audience. Not ur thread either.
Get 'em, RAV4EVER. :D Nick loves to take shots at Toyota, but he cant take it when we fire back. :thumbsup:

Toyota built that plant in Texas to increase Tunda production in order to keep up with demand. Toyota could sell a lot more Tundras than they do now, but they just cant keep up with demand. When the new Tundra comes out the demand is going to go up even more because it will offer Toyota quality and dependability with just as much capability as any other 1/2 ton truck on the market.
Ford and GM might be doing better, but they are far from being out of the woods. They still cant match the Japanese in terms of small car fuel economy and they still havent addressed quality concerns (wasnt it Ford who had a recent recall on the 500 and a few other vehicles?) Just because GM recently restyled their gas guzzling trucks and SUVs, I wouldnt consider that a full turnaround.
Still think Toyota's investment in fullsize trucks is foolish? Read this: http://www.nyse.com/interface/jsp/NHDetail.jsp?RequestID=2&pageID=NewsHeadlines&sid=ON%2010/17%20933&isdowjones=true
People might be going to small vehicles in the car market, but when it comes to trucks the old adage still holds true: bigger is better. All I get is a blank page.

Chew on this one. Quotes from a senior VP at Toyota about the upcoming Sequoia being too large:
Toyota's first-generation Sequoia was dinged for being smaller than other large SUVs. Now some Toyota executives fear that a much bigger Sequoia, which arrives next fall, swung too far the other way.

Sales of big SUVs are shrinking, and for more reasons than expensive gasoline. The bigger-is-better fad has passed, executives say. And the bigger Sequoia may arrive just as the party lets out.

"I worry about the Sequoia being too big and not having enough fuel economy, more than I do with the (redesigned) Tundra," said Don Esmond, senior vice president of automotive operations at Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. Inc.

A driver of a full-sized pickup "won't worry about getting two miles per gallon less, if it's the only thing that can haul his work gear," Esmond said. "But there are a lot of choices besides an SUV for hauling your kids to soccer practice." http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061013/FREE/61011008/1041/CARNEWS

Get 'em, RAV4EVER. :D Nick loves to take shots at Toyota, but he cant take it when we fire back. :thumbsup:No, it's more like I'd rather not waste my time responding to his posts. I like to spend it on someone who can write a coherent argument without resorting to ranting, raving, and picking fights with members who don't see eye to eye with him. The little event he started with 98tercel_girlie yesterday is a perfect example of why I don't bother with his posts anymore.

Riiight. That's why recalls have been doubling each year for the past three years. 400K or so in 2003. 1.2 million in 2004. and 2.2 million last year. I don't know about you, but when the number of vehicles recalled jumps like that over a period of three years, I would be a little worried.

GM and Ford have taken that lesson to heart. You continually ignore it, but residual value is up for Ford and GM and retail sales continue to climb. GM is doing better and Ford is hurting a little, but nowhere near the deathbed. Exaggerate much?

As for not wanting to be #1...so that's why they blew $800K on a new plant in Texas to give them 150,000 extra units of capacity for big trucks at a time when Americans are increasingly moving into smaller vehicles. Hmm...sounds like they pulled that one out of Detroit's playbook.

Recalls are increasing so drastically because theres been alot more parts sharing as of lately. Engines, transmissions, smaller parts etc. They didn't do it as much in the past and now they are. You get a problem on one car you get it on multiple cars....its just gonna happen that way.

Does it make it right? no. It means you better be sure of the product your putting out first, because one mistake can snowball like no other.

All I get is a blank page.

Chew on this one. Quotes from a senior VP at Toyota about the upcoming Sequoia being too large:
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061013/FREE/61011008/1041/CARNEWS

I would definitely LOVE to pick up that next Sequoia !!!!
Sequoia means big and big it shall be.... KOOL !!!

I wanna have the biggest Toyota on the road...... Go Toyota... !

I may switch my Camry with a Prius to also have a Green car in the house..

What do u think Nick? Any advices...? U know ur advices here mean a lot to everybody... ;)
Thanks for mentioning it. :clap: Love you.. ;)

No, it's more like I'd rather not waste my time responding to his posts. I like to spend it on someone who can write a coherent argument without resorting to ranting, raving, and picking fights with members who don't see eye to eye with him. The little event he started with 98tercel_girlie yesterday is a perfect example of why I don't bother with his posts anymore.

Here is Nick's definition of a decent discussion: "Toyota is doing everything wrong. GM and Ford are doing everything right."

........... a typical ANTI... No surprises.

Coherent arguement?? :lol::lol:

Tell me guy... how can a person argue against you when you are telling us all day long that GM and Ford are more sucessful than Toyota.... :lol::lol::lol:

I give up. You win.... LOL .. .:lol:

Are you 5 years old? You could just be a kid typing away somewhere. Who knows. Now a days all kids have access to the internet anyway....

Get 'em, RAV4EVER. :D Nick loves to take shots at Toyota, but he cant take it when we fire back. :thumbsup:


Well most ignore him and it makes him think that people are actually believing him.

He used to piss me off but now I actually pity the guy.

I am sure Nick won't CHEW on this cuz he does not like it. It is not his taste of food. LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2006/10/18/toyota_dominates_gas_mileage_ranks/

Again... the "ESCAPE" is mentioned in there thanks to the technology licenses they got from Toyota... LOL !!!

Toyota built that plant in Texas to increase Tunda production in order to keep up with demand. Toyota could sell a lot more Tundras than they do now, but they just cant keep up with demand. When the new Tundra comes out the demand is going to go up even more because it will offer Toyota quality and dependability with just as much capability as any other 1/2 ton truck on the market.
Ford and GM might be doing better, but they are far from being out of the woods. They still cant match the Japanese in terms of small car fuel economy and they still havent addressed quality concerns (wasnt it Ford who had a recent recall on the 500 and a few other vehicles?) Just because GM recently restyled their gas guzzling trucks and SUVs, I wouldnt consider that a full turnaround.
Still think Toyota's investment in fullsize trucks is foolish? Read this: http://www.nyse.com/interface/jsp/NHDetail.jsp?RequestID=2&pageID=NewsHeadlines&sid=ON%2010/17%20933&isdowjones=true
People might be going to small vehicles in the car market, but when it comes to trucks the old adage still holds true: bigger is better.


Nick's reply to this was,............ " All I see is a blank page"

How can you expect rational thinking from a guy who is not interested in paying attention to facts about Toyota.......?????

His only goal here is to say negative things about Toyota regarless of the facts.

Just that leaves him with absolutely no credibility here and his comments about serious discussions are bogus because there CAN be NO discussion if his mind is always one sided and he has proved this OVER and OVER again.... If he can have one comment here that is rational considering all automakers and not one sided... that will be called a "Serious discussion".

Can somebody go over to IOWA or where the hell he lives to explain to him what a "discussion" means and how a "discussion" is turned into an "arguemnet"......... cuz he keeps on ranting about "serious discussion" but hasn't had his brain ready for that yet.

You see he is here to convice us NOT get convinced. If he was interested in getting convinced, there would be a few elements of rationalism in his posts. Who cares what is right and what is wrong...

Oh did I stuck another one of his nerves.... ?? :lol:

He is Googling more Toyota news articles right now that he can "portray" as bad......... :lol:

No wait... He is going to see "BLANK pages" again for what I wrote.............. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


As usual when you argue against a 5 year old, the adult gets yelled at by other adults so I am going to get yelled at by other people for trying to put sense in his childish brain... so I'm ready. :lol:


EDIT: Yes.. I thought so.. Nick has nothing to say until he finds an article on Toyota that he can throw at us.....

I think it is kind of early to see if Toyota quality is slipping. I don't consider recalls as quality problem but repair bills after your vehicle gets older is a good measure of quality. In the past, Toyota products hold up great even after 100K miles but newer one is still unknown.
From my past experience with GM products, it holds up great while you are under warranty and start falling apart slowly after that (100K miles is the mark before I started to get big repair bills).
I'm speaking of W cars with 3.8L series II engine that people claimed as one of the best products GM ever had. I can say I was not surpised when JD power praised GM for initial quality and long term (3 years) because my Bonneville was never let me down for the first 3 years but after that, don't even bother asking. I went through 2 intake manifolds, 3 water pumps, 2 brake booster (pedal fell to the ground, not fun), 1 alternator, 1 transmission neutral switch, 1 set ignition coil, 1 wiper motor (died in the middle of snow storm), 3 power windows motor (rained and I got all wet), 2 sets of balljoints, 2 sets of tie rods, 2 sets of wheel bearings before it even reached 100K miles. And finally at 105K miles, my oil pressure went to 15psi at idle and 30psi max at 4K rpm (engine ran really rough, for reference, it ran at 35-40psi idle and 45-55psi at 4K rpm whan it was new) and lost front headlamp and interior light at 110K miles (had recall for the headlamp done before and it still failed :o: ), that was the point that I gave up. If talking about recalls, GM should recall those cars with wiper motor and brake booster problems as they lead to safety; I had couple friend has the same issue with brake booster and wiper motors. I even had a friend hydrolocked his engine because of that intake manifold problem (leaking coolant and flooded the engine).
And Jeep (chrysler) is even worse, My tranny gave up at 72K miles, transfer case problem at 76K and rear axle whine at 78K. At 82K, my catalytic converter failed and needed brake job every year.

I just want to see how my Toyota hold up, so far so good but it is too early to comment on recent Toyota quality as I only have 8K miles on my solara.

I just want to see how my Toyota hold up, so far so good but it is too early to comment on recent Toyota quality as I only have 8K miles on my solara.

V6 or i4 ?

:clap: :thumbup: :thumbup:

V6 or i4 ?

:clap: :thumbup: :thumbup:

I4 :sosad:

I4 :sosad:
I wish I still had my I4 Camry, as much fun my V6 stickshift is.

Cuz.. that was an awesome gas saver and it had a good acceleration for an I4... So be happy... :D

Once I pay off my Sequoia, I am switching my V6 with a I4 Camry 07 or something in a few years... STICK SHIFT LE !!! :D
... and it has to be the Blue ribbon metailic color... oh it kills me...

the 2az vs 5sfe, hands down the 2az may feel a bit better. But the 5sfe's, man they are bullet-proof. I'm thinking my car's engine is going to last more than 12 years. (i'm only at 38,000 miles)

Lol. I'm wanting to goto V6 though. =P

Toyota built that plant in Texas to increase Tunda production in order to keep up with demand. Toyota could sell a lot more Tundras than they do now, but they just cant keep up with demand. When the new Tundra comes out the demand is going to go up even more because it will offer Toyota quality and dependability with just as much capability as any other 1/2 ton truck on the market.
Ford and GM might be doing better, but they are far from being out of the woods. They still cant match the Japanese in terms of small car fuel economy and they still havent addressed quality concerns (wasnt it Ford who had a recent recall on the 500 and a few other vehicles?) Just because GM recently restyled their gas guzzling trucks and SUVs, I wouldnt consider that a full turnaround.
Still think Toyota's investment in fullsize trucks is foolish? Read this: http://www.nyse.com/interface/jsp/NHDetail.jsp?RequestID=2&pageID=NewsHeadlines&sid=ON%2010/17%20933&isdowjones=true
People might be going to small vehicles in the car market, but when it comes to trucks the old adage still holds true: bigger is better. Ok, checking the article today, it seems to be working...last night I got a blank page with nothing on it. Thanks to RAV for throwing a four post hissy fit like a little girl and clapping away.

Anyway, I read the link...what does it have to do with what I stated before about Toyota making a foolish investment in big trucks? Gas guzzling SUVs aren't in fashion anymore. Yes, Ford blew it on the Ranger...I'm not going to deny it. But how is that going to make the Sequoia and all the other big SUVs sell better? Right now, those big boys are selling to people who need them....and the people who need them have long bought Expeditions and Suburbans and probably see no reason to switch. Don't forget that the Suburban, Tahoe, and Expedition have all been updated for 2007 and offer a lot of truck for the money.

People don't use these vehicles merely to get groceries or haul their kids to baseball practice anymore...you're talking about a segment that has shrunk over 100,000 units in the last year. The Sequoia sells a fraction of what the Expedition and Tahoe/Suburban sell and doesn't have the same brand recognition. They would have been better off focusing on the fuel economy like they do with all their cars...does Toyota really want to be in the same target sights as Ford and GM with the Sierra Club and all the other environmental groups? They've built their reputation on fuel economy and being "green." When you start putting out bigger trucks and SUVs that go through gas like a redneck goes through a case of Coors, don't think for one second that these groups are going to ignore it.

Ok, checking the article today, it seems to be working...last night I got a blank page with nothing on it. Thanks to RAV for throwing a four post hissy fit like a little girl and clapping away.


Hmm... interesting excuse... "I didn't REALLY see the article yesterday."............ LOL !! :lol:

Little girl....? :lol:
That must be a come back in response to me proving u act like a 5 year old in all your posts on the previous page... :lol:
You must not have been able to read them. Right? LOL !!!

Come on. U r more creative and smarter than that. Aren't u? After all you know what exactly success means for the automotive industry and what manufacturers are doing wrong.

Anyway, I read the link...what does it have to do with what I stated before about Toyota making a foolish investment in big trucks? Gas guzzling SUVs aren't in fashion anymore.


Really?
Do you think big SUVs will go away. Never.
Do you think Toyota should leave the big truck/SUVs to GM and Ford only?
Yes you do think that. You think that so that the domestics continue to be the only players in that market. We all understand ur thinking.



Yes, Ford blew it on the Ranger...I'm not going to deny it. But how is that going to make the Sequoia and all the other big SUVs sell better?

You can't. It is a proven fact. Come to think about it. You can. A person who continues to say that GM and Ford are more successful in their business practices than Toyota... :lol:


Right now, those big boys are selling to people who need them....and the people who need them have long bought Expeditions and Suburbans and probably see no reason to switch.

Hmm... Sequoia is not selling very bad. When the new Sequoia hits, it will be even better. Also same crap was said by the "big boys" YOU? LOL... in 1960s.... "All people have already bought their Chevrolets, there is no need to switch and buy that Toyota... " LOL!! :lol: .......... Give me a break... Can't believe u even think like that. Again, Are you FIVE?

Also this is first generation Sequoia. Did first generation Camry/Tacoma cream the domestics? No. It took Camry a while to start kicking ass. Tacoma is on the perfect track.



Don't forget that the Suburban, Tahoe, and Expedition have all been updated for 2007 and offer a lot of truck for the money.

You do not forget......
Your opinoin on their quality. Your opinion/definition on what you get for the money. I bet the Russians can give us a lot more truck for the money too. :lol:



People don't use these vehicles merely to get groceries or haul their kids to baseball practice anymore...you're talking about a segment that has shrunk over 100,000 units in the last year. The Sequoia sells a fraction of what the Expedition and Tahoe/Suburban sell and doesn't have the same brand recognition. They would have been better off focusing on the fuel economy like they do with all their cars...does Toyota really want to be in the same target sights as Ford and GM with the Sierra Club and all the other environmental groups? They've built their reputation on fuel economy and being "green." When you start putting out bigger trucks and SUVs that go through gas like a redneck goes through a case of Coors, don't think for one second that these groups are going to ignore it.
Since when do you care about Toyota's business practices? What is your point?
Oh I know... Leave most loyal segments just to GM and Ford.

I bet Toyota has hired all morons who are making such stupid decisions. They should hire you for more success... no.. I am sorry.. to run the company to the ground........... :lol::lol:

RAV, you're the biggest hypocrite on the entire board. How much time of you life do you waste responding to all of us domestic fans with post after post of nothing but your own ranting and bellyaching. You even jump on some of the Toyota members here. You go around with you little antics, and then turn around and say "I'm innocent" or "I dont know what u r talkin about" or "u r a hipocrite." Give it up dude...we've all heard you points, and frankly many probably don't even care anymore. I don't even bother with most of your posts anymore because they're nothing but you flaming away.

RAV, you're the biggest hypocrite on the entire board. How much time of you life do you waste responding to all of us domestic fans with post after post of nothing but your own ranting and bellyaching.


How much of ur life/time do you spend here being a hypocrite? Acting like ur discussing automobiles here but in the end all ur doing here is posting false negative picture of Toyota success.

Do you think I go to GM and Ford and tell them crap?
Only you.

I am here for the love to my vehicles. Why are you here? PHLEASE don't give me that "automobile discussion" crap again.


You even jump on some of the Toyota members here. You go around with you little antics, and then turn around and say "I'm innocent" or "I dont know what u r talkin about" or "u r a hipocrite." Give it up dude...we've all heard you points, and frankly many probably don't even care anymore. I don't even bother with most of your posts anymore because they're nothing but you flaming away.

You can't bother with my posts because I have proved all along that your posts are purely a figment of your imagination on where the auto market is today and where it is going based solely on Mr.Nick's own opinions.
Now you have nothing left to say but attack my stand... how typical...

Truth is. You are being ignored.


You have jumped on every person and every Toyota car since u were here...... Can u EXPLAIN that? No... Now u will draw a blank page. Oh wait... u will ignore because you have no ANSWERS.


Don't EVER count on posting here freely any crap u want without MY ANALYSIS of the facts and fiction................. :lol: ... especially in this section. We are all "discussion automobiles" here right?

RAV, you're the biggest hypocrite on the entire board. How much time of you life do you waste responding to all of us domestic fans with post after post of nothing but your own ranting and bellyaching. You even jump on some of the Toyota members here. You go around with you little antics, and then turn around and say "I'm innocent" or "I dont know what u r talkin about" or "u r a hipocrite." Give it up dude...we've all heard you points, and frankly many probably don't even care anymore. I don't even bother with most of your posts anymore because they're nothing but you flaming away.


PS... Check the definition of "hypocrite"........ PLEASE... God.. R u confused... :disappoin

Happy?

Hmm.. funny coming from somebody who is NOT giving up painting a good picture of GM and Ford.. Again please check that definition. It will help you speak well in front of other people.
That could've all been done in one post by seperating the firs quote.
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POSTWHORE!

How much of ur life/time do you spend here being a hypocrite? Acting like ur discussing automobiles here but in the end all ur doing here is posting false negative picture of Toyota success.

Do you think I go to GM and Ford and tell them crap?
Only you.

I am here for the love to my vehicles. Why are you here? PHLEASE don't give me that "automobile discussion" crap again.



You can't bother with my posts because I have proved all along that your posts are purely a figment of your imagination on where the auto market is today and where it is going based solely on Mr.Nick's own opinions.
Now you have nothing left to say but attack my stand... how typical...

Truth is. You are being ignored.


You have jumped on every person and every Toyota car since u were here...... Can u EXPLAIN that? No... Now u will draw a blank page. Oh wait... u will ignore because you have no ANSWERS.


Don't EVER count on posting here freely any crap u want without MY ANALYSIS of the facts and fiction................. :lol: ... especially in this section. We are all "discussion automobiles" here right?
Don't flatter yourself. Half the time I read your posts and think to myself that you're trying too god damn hard to make yourself sound like you know what you're talking about. You go through three or four posts to say something that could be said in two sentences.

You make up things, you rewrite history (I have never onced called Toyota crap...nice lie), you try to prove that we are "ANTI's" by making things up that we never even said, and you constantly twist the facts.

It is you who jumps on every person on this board. It is you who can't look at anything that isn't a Toyota without giving us some lame rant about how it sucks because it's not a Toyota. It is you who picks fights and ruins posts that have good discussion going initially. You are so full of yourself and have such a superiority complex that you can't even see it.

I'm done with you.

Don't flatter yourself. Half the time I read your posts and think to myself that you're trying too god damn hard to make yourself sound like you know what you're talking about. You go through three or four posts to say something that could be said in two sentences.


Hey ur the one with all the information on where the auto manufacturers are today and where they are going. Nobody else has that much KNOWLEDGE.
Flattering infront of u. I don't know about that. I am thinking. U have never said anything positive about Toyota. I have only positive things to say about it. AND...... u don't like what I have to say... what a coincidence... Nothing to analyze here... Just natural stuff.


You make up things, you rewrite history (I have never onced called Toyota crap...nice lie), you try to prove that we are "ANTI's" by making things up that we never even said, and you constantly twist the facts.

PHLEASE. Allow urself some credit. It is you my lord who has the high level ability to twist even a postive Toyota news into negative... Please.. give urself some credit.. :clap:
I dare u to find me one postive comment from you from this board on Toyota that makes sense. I double dare...



It is you who jumps on every person on this board. It is you who can't look at anything that isn't a Toyota without giving us some lame rant about how it sucks because it's not a Toyota. It is you who picks fights and ruins posts that have good discussion going initially. You are so full of yourself and have such a superiority complex that you can't even see it.

Ever seen a mirror? Are the Lumina's mirrors clear enough to see ur face? Try that.

Every SINGLE one of ur posts is "ranting" (ur favorite word..lol) against Toyota. Every single word.... think about it... Oh sorry. U don't think out side of the GM/Ford box... :lol:

I ruin posts. LOL!!! Funnies thing.. Ok.. from now on I will continue putting Toyota down on this Toyota board.. That will NOT ruin the posts... LOL!!!
Are u a sit down GM/Ford comedian?



I'm done with you.
Why? Because I question you and not leave u wandering and barking whatever u want?
I am not done with you. U get right back here boy... :lol:

Did u ever find that definition? I guess not after reading ur post above.

Wow

Nick obviously didnt read that article that I linked to. The article stated that the sales of compact trucks have fallen because people are moving to fullsize trucks. So, tell me again, why was building the Texas plant foolish? :dunno:

dsmnick Vs. RAV4EVR :loove: :cool:

TN great battle :thumbup:

I think we should change the title of this thread

Nick obviously didnt read that article that I linked to. The article stated that the sales of compact trucks have fallen because people are moving to fullsize trucks. So, tell me again, why was building the Texas plant foolish? :dunno:

Oh Nick reads.:lol:
Nick understands. :lol:
Nick refuses to admit. :lol:
Nick too stubborn. :lol:
Nick will have no purpose in his college life if he admits... LOL !!! :lol:

That was "blank" page to him... Typical anti with information coming out of his head but nothing going in there to educate him any further than he has already been... Feel sorry for the poor bugger. :disappoin
Some neighbor/friend(if he has any)/parent has to put up with his stubbornness...:disappoin

Oh Nick reads.:lol:
Nick understands. :lol:
Nick refuses to admit. :lol:
Nick too stubborn. :lol:
Nick will have no purpose in his college life if he admits... LOL !!! :lol:

Well, at least he's consistent. ;)


Some neighbor/friend(if he has any)/parent has to put up with his stubbornness...:disappoin

On the plus side, at least you aren't married to him... :D

C

Anyone else notice that Nick hasnt responded yet. Last active: Today 8:33 pm...:dunno:

so now you're STALKING him? :ugh3:

Like, seriously, can it. If you're not going to have productive dicussion without ad hominem bullshit,

CAN IT

Anyone else notice that Nick hasnt responded yet. Last active: Today 8:33 pm...:dunno: I'm not gonna lie, that's kind of strange that you are checking to see when I have logged in or not. And checking it on a Friday night when you should be out doing something. Stalk much? :ugh3:

:lol: Dont flatter yourself. If you must know, I work 80 hours a week in a factory, so come Friday night Im so tired that the last thing I have on my mind is partying. I merely noticed you hadnt responded and was curious if you had even logged on or not. :dunno:
I see you still havent responded.
Im just giving you the same attitude you have given me for the past 6 months. Like Ive said, you love to dish it out but you sure cant take it.
By the way, I will be going out tonight. I'll be getting drunk and most likely be taking some bar skank home with me. :boink: I just figured Id let you know, since you seem so concerned with whats going on. :thumbsup:

so now you're STALKING him? :ugh3:

Like, seriously, can it. If you're not going to have productive dicussion without ad hominem bullshit,

CAN IT

This is getting out of control.

DOes anyone have any personal experiences with the new Camry, good or bad? We already own four toyota's, and we are selling two of them. We are debating whether to purchase a 2007 Camry or a Honda Civic or CR-V. Is there any reason we shouldn't buy a new Camry?

DOes anyone have any personal experiences with the new Camry, good or bad? We already own four toyota's, and we are selling two of them. We are debating whether to purchase a 2007 Camry or a Honda Civic or CR-V. Is there any reason we shouldn't buy a new Camry?
They're both good cars. Test drive both and buy the one you LIKE the most. :D

Werd. Can't really go wrong with any of those choices, take whatever you prefer most.

Anyone catch the new tC recall? Apparently, if you slam the doors too hard the side airbags can go off. I seriously think Toyota has more recalls than GM this year.

I've owned Toyotas for 25 years and my parents and sister have owned their share as well. At last count something like 15, and just about one of every model. In our experience the quality is definitely slipping in recent years. Our Sequoia is NOT a stellar example of quality. It pales in comparison to our '93 Camry. My Dad is currently driving an '01 Rav4 and it has a lot of bugs. My neighbour had an '05 Sienna and it had quite a few problems. In fact he sold it and bought an Expedition, which has proven, so far, to be better.

I agree with an earlier poster who said that Toyota needs to stop focusing on being the biggest and focus on what got them to where they are today: quality. Otherwise they will be the GM of the future.

To be honest I find the quality difference between our Camry and our Sequoia, at double the price, to be remarkable and stunningly disappointing. Toyota Canada has heard from me and they know that I'm a long-time and now less than satisfied customer.

Hopefully they can turn it around and get it back.

So I agree with the Avalon owner. That sounds crappy, and from what ive heard, they arent the best so far.

The lady complaining about her Prius with the "Toyota Advertised" 60 mpg, talk to the EPA about that.

And of course, the Tundra guy needs to be more careful when he buys. Dont like the seats, dont buy.

I'm always amused by people who claim that a car manufacturer deceived them or built a poor quality product if their car doesn't achieve EPA fuel economy. The EPA, not the car maker, defines the test procedures that determine the fuel economy ratings. As far as the Prius goes, I owned a 2005 Prius for two years, and was incapable of getting *below* 52 mpg / tank, no matter how aggressively I drove that thing. I constantly was flooring it, since it lacked enough pep to merge into traffic (due to the obnoxious drivers in my area). :lol:

My family has owned MANY, MANY Toyotas, including some as recent as 2005. They're still the same bulletproof cars they always have been.

:lol: Dont flatter yourself. If you must know, I work 80 hours a week in a factory, so come Friday night Im so tired that the last thing I have on my mind is partying. I merely noticed you hadnt responded and was curious if you had even logged on or not. :dunno:
I see you still havent responded.
Im just giving you the same attitude you have given me for the past 6 months. Like Ive said, you love to dish it out but you sure cant take it.
By the way, I will be going out tonight. I'll be getting drunk and most likely be taking some bar skank home with me. :boink: I just figured Id let you know, since you seem so concerned with whats going on. :thumbsup:

well you better get used to workin that 80 hrs a week in a menial job just to keep a roof over your head, cause when the japanese take over our economy thats exactly what you will be doing, but on the bright side you can always eat your toyota.
p.s.
i sincerley doubt any bar skanks will be accompanying you home unless you took the bus cause no way in hell could you pick up anything worth while in a ugly ass toyota

maple2....since your new (myself included) you have not been told that you have to post comments at a grade 6 level or above....errrr...never mind......

Rollaxrs, we've had some of these GM guys for a while now. They come here for no other reason than to brag up the domestics while they cut down Toyota every chance they get.

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btw... for the people that think I'm just another GM guy that bashes Toyota, here is my old 'Yota - http://myspace-390.vo.llnwd.net/01069/09/35/1069915390_l.jpg

I don't mind the domestic fans here on toyotanation. Some of them are pretty level headed, but there are those just need to be stripped naked then hung upside down and hit with a clog on their ass a hundred times. When we get to 99, we forget count and need to start all over again.

The only two arguments from someone who doesn't like toyota that make no sense to me are
1- Toyota makes bland cars.
2- Toyota owners are like sheep.

Also, is it just me or has anyone else noticed how almost every domestic fan just seems to have ridden in every toyota ever built to tell you how bad that car is? Not to forget how they have an aunt or uncle who bought a toyota and hated it.

That said, toyota fan boys can be pricks as well. In short, fan boys in general are pertty much assholes. Wether it's cars, game consoles or something else.



Now, Back to topic. I personally think every single car maker's quality and reliability has slipped. They have crammed so many sensors into the cars that if one of them malfunctions/ goes out you have to spend a lot of money to get it replaced. The part itself maybe 10 bucks, but the labor gets to ya. And since a majority of people can not fix their own cars they have to pay up. And for someone with two or three cars such scenarios are a nightmare. This is why more people will always select quality and reliability and low operation cost over a car's performance. Not to froget it saves them time if they don't have to get their car fixed.
I personally haven't had much problems with any of our toyotas.

Toyota as a general rule DOES make bland cars though... That doesn't take away from their quality though. My Camry got 34 mpg consistantly and it was an auto. My 5spd Accord with the same size engine struggled to get 30mpg.

I like Honda's styling better than Toyota but I like that Toyota (at least my old Corolla and my old Camry) had non-interference engines. I also like Toyota's service department better than Honda's.

And Toyota owners being like sheep? Honda owners are the worst!

Toyota makes bland cars...some see a bland car as a blank canvas. You have to love the "That's a Toyota!?" effect.