OT...T-Mobile Sidekick

I usually use a diff nick on this board. Hopefully I wont be too
embarased to explain who I am when this is all over . But I hope you
knowledgeable guys and GALs can help me.

I know nothing about cell phones and never cared to), but I have a GF in
another state and would like to know if anyone has a Tmobile side kick
cell phone and can answer a few things.

Like can the call waiting be disabled? I would assume so? So if I ask
her to hang up and disable it and she says she doesn't know how I can
tell her. I'm in another state working and she is in our home state and
lately I have that feeling that I'm sure many of us know.

And now It's just a matter of getting all the facts (for me) and making
an informed decision..

How about billing by T-mobile? do they bill the same all over? She
mentioned sending me a copy of her bill , but only once and now doesn't
bring it up any more. Do they have the same billing cycle for everyone
in the country? (Ie -bills go out on the 1st?) I figure if I ask her to
send a bill and she says I don't get it till the x and it really comes
on z....

As you can see I'm up thinking about the lies instead of sleeping and
taking care of MYSELF. What other methods can I use to flush out a liar.
It seems cut and dry for me though. Last weekend she been picked a
fight on Thurs and dissappeared most of the weekend.

I called her on her BS and said let's get together when I get up there
and go our seperate ways until then instead of each of us having to
wonder and explain things. When I sent her that email it seemed to upset
her and it appeared she cared what my 'plans' were..

in2-dadark@webtv.net, 11/21/2006,6:11:14 AM, wrote:

> I usually use a diff nick on this board. Hopefully I wont be too
> embarased to explain who I am when this is all over . But I hope you
> knowledgeable guys and GALs can help me.
>
> I know nothing about cell phones and never cared to), but I have a GF
> in another state and would like to know if anyone has a Tmobile side
> kick cell phone and can answer a few things.
>
> Like can the call waiting be disabled? I would assume so? So if I ask
> her to hang up and disable it and she says she doesn't know how I can
> tell her. I'm in another state working and she is in our home state
> and lately I have that feeling that I'm sure many of us know.
>
> And now It's just a matter of getting all the facts (for me) and
> making an informed decision..
>
> How about billing by T-mobile? do they bill the same all over? She
> mentioned sending me a copy of her bill , but only once and now
> doesn't bring it up any more. Do they have the same billing cycle for
> everyone in the country? (Ie -bills go out on the 1st?) I figure if I
> ask her to send a bill and she says I don't get it till the x and it
> really comes on z....
>
> As you can see I'm up thinking about the lies instead of sleeping and
> taking care of MYSELF. What other methods can I use to flush out a
> liar. It seems cut and dry for me though. Last weekend she been
> picked a fight on Thurs and dissappeared most of the weekend.
>
> I called her on her BS and said let's get together when I get up there
> and go our seperate ways until then instead of each of us having to
> wonder and explain things. When I sent her that email it seemed to
> upset her and it appeared she cared what my 'plans' were..

Long distance relationships don't work very well. And since you are an
untrusting type then you will always be suspicious of her unless she is
attached to your side. It would probably be best for you to release
her so she doesn't have to be bound to your insecurity.

--
"Things are more like they are now than they have ever been." ~
President Gerald Ford

badgolferman wrote:
> in2-dadark@webtv.net, 11/21/2006,6:11:14 AM, wrote:
>
> > I usually use a diff nick on this board. Hopefully I wont be too
> > embarased to explain who I am when this is all over . But I hope you
> > knowledgeable guys and GALs can help me.
> >
> > I know nothing about cell phones and never cared to), but I have a GF
> > in another state and would like to know if anyone has a Tmobile side
> > kick cell phone and can answer a few things.
> >
> > Like can the call waiting be disabled? I would assume so? So if I ask
> > her to hang up and disable it and she says she doesn't know how I can
> > tell her. I'm in another state working and she is in our home state
> > and lately I have that feeling that I'm sure many of us know.
> >
> > And now It's just a matter of getting all the facts (for me) and
> > making an informed decision..
> >
> > How about billing by T-mobile? do they bill the same all over? She
> > mentioned sending me a copy of her bill , but only once and now
> > doesn't bring it up any more. Do they have the same billing cycle for
> > everyone in the country? (Ie -bills go out on the 1st?) I figure if I
> > ask her to send a bill and she says I don't get it till the x and it
> > really comes on z....
> >
> > As you can see I'm up thinking about the lies instead of sleeping and
> > taking care of MYSELF. What other methods can I use to flush out a
> > liar. It seems cut and dry for me though. Last weekend she been
> > picked a fight on Thurs and dissappeared most of the weekend.
> >
> > I called her on her BS and said let's get together when I get up there
> > and go our seperate ways until then instead of each of us having to
> > wonder and explain things. When I sent her that email it seemed to
> > upset her and it appeared she cared what my 'plans' were..
>
> Long distance relationships don't work very well. And since you are an
> untrusting type then you will always be suspicious of her unless she is
> attached to your side. It would probably be best for you to release
> her so she doesn't have to be bound to your insecurity.
>

Who are you, Dr. Ruth??

Dood, just lose her quick. She's not interested. She's seeing someone
else. Stop calling her, stop taking her calls. See if absence makes
her come running to you. Get it?

(from Dr. Phil)

Learning Richard, 11/21/2006, 6:59:16 AM,
<1164110356.004600.76950@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.c om> wrote:


> Who are you, Dr. Ruth??


No, Dr. Schlesinger

"Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1164110356.004600.76950@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>
> badgolferman wrote:
>> in2-dadark@webtv.net, 11/21/2006,6:11:14 AM, wrote:
>>
>> > I usually use a diff nick on this board. Hopefully I wont be too
>> > embarased to explain who I am when this is all over . But I hope you
>> > knowledgeable guys and GALs can help me.
>> >
>> > I know nothing about cell phones and never cared to), but I have a GF
>> > in another state and would like to know if anyone has a Tmobile side
>> > kick cell phone and can answer a few things.
>> >
>> > Like can the call waiting be disabled? I would assume so? So if I ask
>> > her to hang up and disable it and she says she doesn't know how I can
>> > tell her. I'm in another state working and she is in our home state
>> > and lately I have that feeling that I'm sure many of us know.
>> >
>> > And now It's just a matter of getting all the facts (for me) and
>> > making an informed decision..
>> >
>> > How about billing by T-mobile? do they bill the same all over? She
>> > mentioned sending me a copy of her bill , but only once and now
>> > doesn't bring it up any more. Do they have the same billing cycle for
>> > everyone in the country? (Ie -bills go out on the 1st?) I figure if I
>> > ask her to send a bill and she says I don't get it till the x and it
>> > really comes on z....
>> >
>> > As you can see I'm up thinking about the lies instead of sleeping and
>> > taking care of MYSELF. What other methods can I use to flush out a
>> > liar. It seems cut and dry for me though. Last weekend she been
>> > picked a fight on Thurs and dissappeared most of the weekend.
>> >
>> > I called her on her BS and said let's get together when I get up there
>> > and go our seperate ways until then instead of each of us having to
>> > wonder and explain things. When I sent her that email it seemed to
>> > upset her and it appeared she cared what my 'plans' were..
>>
>> Long distance relationships don't work very well. And since you are an
>> untrusting type then you will always be suspicious of her unless she is
>> attached to your side. It would probably be best for you to release
>> her so she doesn't have to be bound to your insecurity.
>>
>
> Who are you, Dr. Ruth??
>
> Dood, just lose her quick. She's not interested. She's seeing someone
> else. Stop calling her, stop taking her calls. See if absence makes
> her come running to you. Get it?
>
> (from Dr. Phil)

This brings up the old adage "Absence makes the heart grow
fonder.........for somebody else."

and the song lyrics "When I'm not near the one I love...........I love the
one I'm near."
>

mack, 11/21/2006, 1:20:29 PM, <12m6grifgfsnbf6@corp.supernews.com>
wrote:

>
> "Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1164110356.004600.76950@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> >
> > badgolferman wrote:
> > > in2-dadark@webtv.net, 11/21/2006,6:11:14 AM, wrote:
> > >
> >>> I usually use a diff nick on this board. Hopefully I wont be too
> >>> embarased to explain who I am when this is all over . But I
> hope you >>> knowledgeable guys and GALs can help me.
> > > >
> >>> I know nothing about cell phones and never cared to), but I have
> a GF >>> in another state and would like to know if anyone has a
> Tmobile side >>> kick cell phone and can answer a few things.
> > > >
> >>> Like can the call waiting be disabled? I would assume so? So if I
> ask >>> her to hang up and disable it and she says she doesn't know
> how I can >>> tell her. I'm in another state working and she is in
> our home state >>> and lately I have that feeling that I'm sure many
> of us know.
> > > >
> >>> And now It's just a matter of getting all the facts (for me) and
> >>> making an informed decision..
> > > >
> >>> How about billing by T-mobile? do they bill the same all over? She
> >>> mentioned sending me a copy of her bill , but only once and now
> >>> doesn't bring it up any more. Do they have the same billing cycle
> for >>> everyone in the country? (Ie -bills go out on the 1st?) I
> figure if I >>> ask her to send a bill and she says I don't get it
> till the x and it >>> really comes on z....
> > > >
> >>> As you can see I'm up thinking about the lies instead of sleeping
> and >>> taking care of MYSELF. What other methods can I use to flush
> out a >>> liar. It seems cut and dry for me though. Last weekend
> she been >>> picked a fight on Thurs and dissappeared most of the
> weekend.
> > > >
> >>> I called her on her BS and said let's get together when I get up
> there >>> and go our seperate ways until then instead of each of us
> having to >>> wonder and explain things. When I sent her that email
> it seemed to >>> upset her and it appeared she cared what my 'plans'
> were..
> > >
> > > Long distance relationships don't work very well. And since you
> > > are an untrusting type then you will always be suspicious of her
> > > unless she is attached to your side. It would probably be best
> > > for you to release her so she doesn't have to be bound to your
> > > insecurity.
> > >
> >
> > Who are you, Dr. Ruth??
> >
> > Dood, just lose her quick. She's not interested. She's seeing
> > someone else. Stop calling her, stop taking her calls. See if
> > absence makes her come running to you. Get it?
> >
> > (from Dr. Phil)
>
> This brings up the old adage "Absence makes the heart grow
> fonder.........for somebody else."
>
> and the song lyrics "When I'm not near the one I love...........I
> love the one I'm near."
> >

I thought it was "If you can't be with the one you love, love the one
you're with"

"Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1164110356.004600.76950@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...

> Dood, just lose her quick. She's not interested. She's seeing someone
> else. Stop calling her, stop taking her calls. See if absence makes
> her come running to you. Get it?
>

Ah...the old take-away sales strategy.

Or: "You skank bitch. Be careful or you might be accidentally run over by a
car. Eight times."

Look for another provider...


<in2-dadark@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:10592-4562DED2-1018@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net...
>I usually use a diff nick on this board. Hopefully I wont be too
> embarased to explain who I am when this is all over . But I hope you
> knowledgeable guys and GALs can help me.
>
> I know nothing about cell phones and never cared to), but I have a GF in
> another state and would like to know if anyone has a Tmobile side kick
> cell phone and can answer a few things.
>
> Like can the call waiting be disabled? I would assume so? So if I ask
> her to hang up and disable it and she says she doesn't know how I can
> tell her. I'm in another state working and she is in our home state and
> lately I have that feeling that I'm sure many of us know.
>
> And now It's just a matter of getting all the facts (for me) and making
> an informed decision..
>
> How about billing by T-mobile? do they bill the same all over? She
> mentioned sending me a copy of her bill , but only once and now doesn't
> bring it up any more. Do they have the same billing cycle for everyone
> in the country? (Ie -bills go out on the 1st?) I figure if I ask her to
> send a bill and she says I don't get it till the x and it really comes
> on z....
>
> As you can see I'm up thinking about the lies instead of sleeping and
> taking care of MYSELF. What other methods can I use to flush out a liar.
> It seems cut and dry for me though. Last weekend she been picked a
> fight on Thurs and dissappeared most of the weekend.
>
> I called her on her BS and said let's get together when I get up there
> and go our seperate ways until then instead of each of us having to
> wonder and explain things. When I sent her that email it seemed to upset
> her and it appeared she cared what my 'plans' were..
>

I'm glad my misery can be such entertainment for you guys. Actually I
searched for a 'cheaters' group but couldn't find one. I do find the IQ
to be very high on this DB on average. So, if anyone is going to make
fodder of my dire straits I don't mind it being people with intelect.

I meant to go to a Tmobile store today to get advice from the pros. I
woundn't tbe so forthcoming with them though..

My stratagey in the past has always been vacate the premise as it
were... But this is one of those (VERY) rare occasions I find myself
actually caring for the person...

But if tonight's experiment is what I think it's going to (turn out to
) be I'm going to have to bail. I'll have nothing to lose, because I
will 'probably' know after tonight if I ever (really) had anything in
the first place..
Thanks.

But please try harder to give me more angles to come at this one with
???

<in2-dadark@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:5800-4563ABF9-1437@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net...
> I'm glad my misery can be such entertainment for you guys. Actually I
> searched for a 'cheaters' group but couldn't find one. I do find the IQ
> to be very high on this DB on average. So, if anyone is going to make
> fodder of my dire straits I don't mind it being people with intelect.
>
> I meant to go to a Tmobile store today to get advice from the pros. I
> woundn't tbe so forthcoming with them though..
>
> My stratagey in the past has always been vacate the premise as it
> were... But this is one of those (VERY) rare occasions I find myself
> actually caring for the person...
>
> But if tonight's experiment is what I think it's going to (turn out to
> ) be I'm going to have to bail. I'll have nothing to lose, because I
> will 'probably' know after tonight if I ever (really) had anything in
> the first place..
> Thanks.
>
> But please try harder to give me more angles to come at this one with
> ???
>


There are no angles. If you have doubts, move on. The right person should
not cause doubts.

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:46:33 -0500, in2-dadark@webtv.net wrote:

>I'm glad my misery can be such entertainment for you guys. Actually I
>searched for a 'cheaters' group but couldn't find one. I do find the IQ
>to be very high on this DB on average. So, if anyone is going to make
>fodder of my dire straits I don't mind it being people with intelect.

I think you already know the answer, but it could also be your
imagination. Make your decision on what to do after gathering all the
facts and get as close to The Truth as you can - but don't drag it
out. Make that decision and be at peace with it.

>I meant to go to a T-mobile store today to get advice from the pros. I
>woundn't tbe so forthcoming with them though..

Be a little forthcoming - they know all the federal and state laws
on wiretapping and other crimes - you don't want to cross that line
and put her in a position of power over you, if you think it's bad now
that could make it get seriously ugly.

>My stratagey in the past has always been vacate the premise as it
>were... But this is one of those (VERY) rare occasions I find myself
>actually caring for the person...
>
>But if tonight's experiment is what I think it's going to (turn out to
>) be I'm going to have to bail. I'll have nothing to lose, because I
>will 'probably' know after tonight if I ever (really) had anything in
>the first place..
>Thanks.
>
>But please try harder to give me more angles to come at this one with
>???

If you're looking for her to voluntarily hand you proof on paper of
infidelity you should know better than to ask. Ain't gonna happen -
you are going to have to either find it yourself or give up on her.

Even if you really do care, if she does not and she's bound and
determined to hurt you there's no sense in hanging around just waiting
to get beat up on. Even if you love her, if she's making strange
moves like The Runaway Bride, get the hell out now.

It takes two people to make a real relationship work, and once one
side has lost it it's real hard to get it back.

And Never EVER Stay In A Relationship With A Crazy Person - Even if
the sex is fantastic. All it takes is for her to poke pinholes in the
condoms, and you can be on the hook for large amounts of your income
for the next 18 years 9 months, or longer. You don't even need to be
the guilty party - if the real father is a flake and you look more
responsible, all she has to do is put your name on the birth
certificate as the father and you are screwed. You'll have a hell of
a fight and spend a lot for tests and court costs getting it off.

Look at the one T-Mobile bill copy you were sent - if they billed
that one on the tenth of the month, they will likely bill every tenth
- if that normal billing day falls on a weekend it will get pushed
back a day or two, usually they do not do them sooner.

The companies usually have several billing cycles through the month
to keep their computers, people and printing/mailing equipment busy
all the time, and do not change the billing cycle for an account
unless asked. If you know when it should be there and still get
bullshit, there's a reason for the lies. You /are/ getting an answer,
even if it is non verbal and really not what you wanted to know.

If you know the PIN on her voicemail, and you know when the phone
will be turned off (like college classes or an employer with an
ironclad rule) you could see who has been leaving messages - but
that's dangerously close to invasion of privacy.

There is usually a way to get into the voicemail without calling
the mobile number - like calling YOUR voicemail, and then instead of
using a #(Octothorp/Pound) to enter your PIN you use a *(Star) to
select another mailbox on that system. Or they have a separate
7-digit number assigned for mailbox access, and then enter the target
phone number. But again, you could be making yourself trouble if it
could be considered hacking into her voicemail - review the TOS/AUP
Rules of the mobile carrier first.

You can call her from a line with no Caller ID and see if she picks
up that call - right after she lets one from your cellphone (that she
can see the Caller ID on) go to voicemail.

It all boils down to "If you love someone, set them free - if they
love you they'll return, if they don't there never was." It sounds
100% trite and sappy, but it's true.

Although with cats (and some people) don't expect an exuberant
slobbering kisses "Welcome Home!" like a dog - with them, a simple
head butt in the leg when you get home (that acknowledges your
existence) can speak volumes.

--<< Bruce >>--

in2-dadark@webtv.net wrote:
> I'm glad my misery can be such entertainment for you guys. Actually I
> searched for a 'cheaters' group but couldn't find one. I do find the IQ
> to be very high on this DB on average. So, if anyone is going to make
> fodder of my dire straits I don't mind it being people with intelect.
>
> I meant to go to a Tmobile store today to get advice from the pros. I
> woundn't tbe so forthcoming with them though..
>
> My stratagey in the past has always been vacate the premise as it
> were... But this is one of those (VERY) rare occasions I find myself
> actually caring for the person...
>
> But if tonight's experiment is what I think it's going to (turn out to
> ) be I'm going to have to bail. I'll have nothing to lose, because I
> will 'probably' know after tonight if I ever (really) had anything in
> the first place..
> Thanks.
>
> But please try harder to give me more angles to come at this one with
> ???

Its a no brainer man. There's other fish in the sea. Listen to music
loud in your car until you're over it.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1164110356.004600.76950@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > Dood, just lose her quick. She's not interested. She's seeing someone
> > else. Stop calling her, stop taking her calls. See if absence makes
> > her come running to you. Get it?
> >
>
> Ah...the old take-away sales strategy.
>
> Or: "You skank bitch. Be careful or you might be accidentally run over by a
> car. Eight times."

You're supposed to ignore her by not calling/taking calls for five days
before you do this, I believe. See Section3(a).

Learning Richard wrote:
> in2-dadark@webtv.net wrote:
>> I'm glad my misery can be such entertainment for you guys. Actually I
>> searched for a 'cheaters' group but couldn't find one. I do find the IQ
>> to be very high on this DB on average. So, if anyone is going to make
>> fodder of my dire straits I don't mind it being people with intelect.
>>
>> I meant to go to a Tmobile store today to get advice from the pros. I
>> woundn't tbe so forthcoming with them though..
>>
>> My stratagey in the past has always been vacate the premise as it
>> were... But this is one of those (VERY) rare occasions I find myself
>> actually caring for the person...
>>
>> But if tonight's experiment is what I think it's going to (turn out to
>> ) be I'm going to have to bail. I'll have nothing to lose, because I
>> will 'probably' know after tonight if I ever (really) had anything in
>> the first place..
>> Thanks.
>>
>> But please try harder to give me more angles to come at this one with
>> ???
>
> Its a no brainer man. There's other fish in the sea. Listen to music
> loud in your car until you're over it.
>
Ring Tones for your phone,

All I Want From You Is Away

You Can't Have Your Kate and Edith Too

I'm So Miserable Without You, It's Almost Like Having You Here

Four on the Floor and a Fifth Under the Seat

If You Can't Be Good, Be Bad With Me

Bubba Shot the Jukebox

Are You Drinkin' With Me, Jesus?

Billy Broke My Heart at Walgreens and I Cried All the Way to Sears

How Can I Miss You if You Won't Go Away?

I'm Under the Table Over You

Drop Kick Me Jesus Through the Goal Posts of Life

Am I Double Parked by the Curbstone of Your Heart?

I'm Gonna Put a Bar in the Back of My Car and Drive Myself to Drink

Welcome to Dumpsville, Population Me

If Love Were Oil, I'd Be a Quart Low

Get Your Biscuits in the Oven and Your Buns in the Bed

If You Can't Be Good, Son, Be Good At It

My Phone Ain't Been Ringing, So I Guess it Wasn't You

I've Been Roped and Throwed By Jesus in the Holy Ghost Corral

I Bought the Shoes That Just Walked Out on Me

She's Acting Single, I'm Drinking Doubles

Is It Cold In Here, or Is It Just You?

We Used to Kiss on the Lips, But It's All Over Now

My Head Hurts, My Feet Stink, and I Don't Love Jesus

Thank God and Greyhound She's Gone

I Changed Her Oil, She Changed My Life

How Come Your Dog Don't Bite Nobody But Me?

You Ain't Much Fun Since I Quit Drinkin'

I Don't Know Whether to Kill Myself or Go Bowling

You're the Reason Our Kids Are So Ugly

If You're Gonna Do Me Wrong, Do It Right

Thanks to the Cathouse, I'm in the Doghouse With You

I Would Kiss You Through the Screen Door But It'd Strain Our Love

I Fell for Her, She Fell for Him, and He Fell for Me

You Were Only a Splinter as I Slid Down the Banister of Life

Did I Shave my Legs for This?

I Fell in a Pile of You and Got Love All Over Me

She Got the Gold Mine and I Got the Shaft

My Wife Ran Off With My Best Friend, and I Sure Do Miss Him

Velcro Arms, Teflon Heart

If You Want to Keep the Beer Real Cold, Put it Next to My Ex-Wife's Heart

I Gave Her My Heart and a Diamond and She Clubbed Me with a Spade

If Whiskey Were a Woman, I'd Be Married for Sure

I Sat Down on a Beartrap (Just This Morning)

She Looks Good Through the Bottom of My Shot Glass

If You Can't Live Without Me, Why Aren't You Dead?

Mama, Get the Hammer (There's a Fly on Papa's Head)

Red Necks, White Socks, and Blue Ribbon Beer

I Still Miss You Baby, But My Aim is Getting Better

If You Don't Leave Me, I'll Find Someone Who Will

My John Deere Was Breaking Your Field, While Your Dear John Was Breaking
My Heart

I'll Marry You Tomorrow, But Let's Honeymoon Tonight

"Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1164110356.004600.76950@k70g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>> > Dood, just lose her quick. She's not interested. She's seeing someone
>> > else. Stop calling her, stop taking her calls. See if absence makes
>> > her come running to you. Get it?
>> >
>>
>> Ah...the old take-away sales strategy.
>>
>> Or: "You skank bitch. Be careful or you might be accidentally run over by
>> a
>> car. Eight times."
>
> You're supposed to ignore her by not calling/taking calls for five days
> before you do this, I believe. See Section3(a).
>

This was clearly demonstrated in season 4 of The Sopranos, if I recall.

in2-dadark@webtv.net wrote:

> Like can the call waiting be disabled? I would assume so? So if I ask

On all GSM phones where the feature is provisioned:

To query call waiting, *#43# and SEND
To enable call waiting, *43# and SEND
To disable call waiting, #43# and SEND

Note that most carriers, including T-Mobile, will automatically
re-enable call waiting after a period of time (hours, a day, something
like that); you can't disable it permanently.

> bring it up any more. Do they have the same billing cycle for everyone
> in the country? (Ie -bills go out on the 1st?) I figure if I ask her to

No. It's based on your contract start date. And if you call T-Mobile
you can change your bill date (once).

> taking care of MYSELF. What other methods can I use to flush out a liar.

If you have to ask, then it's not worth researching the matter further.

I know this is going to come across wrong but IMO if you cant ask if
they're cheating and get an honest answer, good or bad, they're not
worth being with. Above all a relationship should be based on trust and
honesty. Your trust has failed and maybe her honesty, restore the trust
by asking the question and getting an answer showing her honesty or
accept its not worth bothering.

Easy to say, not so easy to do.