best toyota engine?

ok well after owning a 95 Toyota truck for 2 yrs now and was quick to modify it, i did alot of research and came up with this,
3vz-e = crap
5vz-fe = to much money
1uzfe = good but you gotta get the vvti = a bit expensive for the power
7mgte= dam what a bang for the buck for $3000 i can get about 470 hp and 25+ mpg
this is all based on spending $3000 on any of those engine considering you currently have a 3vz-e


now after all that anyone know why didnt toyota put the 1uzfe or 7mgte in the trucks?

i was told by a Chevy guy that a 350 SBC in a truck is different than a car because it has more bottom power for pulling and so on .................so would this be true for the 1uzfe or the 7mgte ?

and how much would you ponder i can pull? i say over 8,000+ with a stock 7M or 1uz

and how would you compare the new tundra engine 5.7L 381hp/401 Tq to the 1uz-fe vvti to 7mgte for a truck



any comments?

ok well after owning a 95 Toyota truck for 2 yrs now and was quick to modify it, i did alot of research and came up with this,
3vz-e = crap
5vz-fe = to much money
1uzfe = good but you gotta get the vvti = a bit expensive for the power
7mgte= dam what a bang for the buck for $3000 i can get about 470 hp and 25+ mpg
this is all based on spending $3000 on any of those engine considering you currently have a 3vz-e


now after all that anyone know why didnt toyota put the 1uzfe or 7mgte in the trucks?

i was told by a Chevy guy that a 350 SBC in a truck is different than a car because it has more bottom power for pulling and so on .................so would this be true for the 1uzfe or the 7mgte ?

and how much would you ponder i can pull? i say over 8,000+ with a stock 7M or 1uz

and how would you compare the new tundra engine 5.7L 381hp/401 Tq to the 1uz-fe vvti to 7mgte for a truck



any comments?


three engines that are built proof are the 22r 22re or the 2.7 tacoma engine.

"three engines that are built proof are the 22r 22re or the 2.7 tacoma engine."

AMEN to that........

+ 3 , 22r, 22re

22re

whats the 7mgte off of... i also give cheers to the 22R-E i have one in my truck with 109,000 miles

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now after all that anyone know why didnt toyota put the 1uzfe or 7mgte in the trucks?
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That's pretty straightforward ...

The 1UZ was excessive (size / power / production cost) for the intended light / compact truck product line. Toyota has always resisted the notion of an 8-cylinder engine in their small trucks.

The 7M, like all Toyota inline six's, is problematically long for fitment in the compact truck engine bay. It can be (and has been ...) done, but modifications were required. To design a compact truck engine bay long enough to easily accommodate an inline 6 would have meant lengthening it to where the 4-cylinder would have been surrounded by empty space. The more compact VZ-series 6 was a better match in terms of fitting the same engine bay as an RZ-series 4.

As to the most 'bulletproof' engines ...

For ordinary use: The 22R and 22R-E are as legendary for reliability / durability as any engine ever offered by anyone. Both the 2RZ and 3RZ are probably on their way to the same legendary status. The 5VZ shows signs of becoming the first Toyota light truck 6-cylinder to earn the same regard.

For boosted applications: RZ or 5VZ. Both engines are overdesigned in terms of block / etc. strength and have been proven to handle substantial boost increases.

best toyota engine?
2jzgte, sir =)

▲I think he's referring to truck engines.

"Best Toyota engine" is pretty subjective. The guy who has had a few 22R's will think they are the best, while the salesman with a 2RZ Taco will say it's the best. There are a lot of good Toyota engines!
I've owned 22R's and 22RE's, 5MGE's, 20R's, 3TC's, 3VZE's, and they have all been great.

Another node to the 22r. I had an 82 4x4 that I bought in 86 with 50,000 miles. Ten years later and 200,000 miles, motor was still strong. I was running 35's on the truck for the last 5 of those years. I stopped changing the oil at that some point and just added a quart every other month. Still can't believe the motor ran.
Now if only they coud figure out a way to make the trans as strong.

i would say that mostly any toyota engine is amazing compared to any other manufacturer on the market. in the realm of toyota, the 20r, 22r, 22re are definitly unbeatable. they have been tested and tried over and over again and rarely fail.

Cam

22R, 22RE, 4AGE, My personal favorites.

22RE, 2RZFE , 3RZFE.

2 of our work trucks have the 3rzfe, both have 250k miles and never had the heads off.

I have a 20R with around 600,000km on it....

...only around 90 - 95hp though.

I've got the 5v with 523,000km,Oil is clean as can be,compression tested spot on original specs.

8RC was the most bullet proof engine Toyota ever built.
18R was nearly as good.

Hey dont forget the 2RZ. I love mine.

22RTE...why stop at the RE!!

It may have been good, but not good enough to keep in production.

that's just a baseless statement. You assume that quality had to do with the fact that it's not in production any more. Instead, it was most likely the demand for a turbo engine. The majority of the engine (at least the parts that make the 22r/re strong, are similar to the 22rte. A cast iron block that can withstand 1100 hp? sounds like a dog!! lol.

If you don't have one, don't knock it. Mine's got 240K miles on it, runs mint, hauls ass, and purrs like a turbo charged kitten. I even rode in a 22re last weekend that had the turbo conversion running 17psi boost. While it was nice, It was pretty close to my 22rte stock levels.

22rte rules!!

also...the 22r/re isn't in production any more either....but most agree that it's indestructable and awesome. Toyota as a company makes good and bad decisions. Here's an example.. Good corporate "profit" decision = Tacoma. Bad corporate PR decision = Tacoma. Horrible product quality decision = Tacoma.

The fact that superior engine builders (DOA, LC, ENGNBLDR, etc) all make 22r/re/rte engines to this day means that they are badass. Period.

Keep in mind that every post here is an opinion.

It may have been good, but not good enough to keep in production.

Doesn't sound much like an opinion...but instead a statement. Add a "possibly"..or a "Probably" in there, and you have your opinion.

But i hear what you're saying.

kinda funny though that in your first post you call the 22r's and 22re's "Great"....but my 22RTE is "not good enough".

if you knew the similarities and differences between these engines, you'd understand the irony of that statement.

Do you or I make the corporate decisions for Toyota? I'm not being snotty about this, seriously, even though the interweb is notorious for that kind of crap.... :)

But what I was implying is that IF the 22RTE, along with other great engines, was really THAT great (meaning huge sellers -> $$$ for Toyota, that's what I mean by "not good enough"), then it would still be in production. The average person knows precious little about turbochargers, let alone how to maintain the vehicle, such as idling before shutdown, etc. So in saying that the 22R/RE's are great, it is with reference to their long-lived success in general. The 22RTE's, although a good engine (as you know), in Toyota's eyes were not successful enough to continue their production.

I can see by your sig that you have a passion (or a deep wallet) for the RTE, not everyone can do that.

my bad. I guess i thought the thread was about the "best" engines...and not the most profitable or user friendly.

Yes i do have a specific liking to the 22rte. I have 2 of them... both 21 years old, and they're still amazing workhorses and performers. Indistructable if treated right. Like with any vehicle, you have to know how to treat the engine. To some, changing the oil is a mystery... and if not done, their engine dies. Doesn't mean the engine was to blame. With turbos (any turbo'd vehicle), you have to let the oil in the turbo cool down after a drive in order to prolong the life of the turbine. Simple stuff. Volvo, Saab & Audi seem to have no problem with selling turbo engines...and in reality, Turbo chargers are only a "mystery" to most in the USA. Europe is flooded with these engines. Not suprisingly, the average full sized truck engine in Europe is around 2.4L. Smaller engines assisted by turbo chargers. And these engines sell amazingly well and run for a long long time.

In my mind, user error, or profitability has nothing to do with the quality and performance of an engine.

Regarding the expenses...i do get kinda obsessed with the truck... but i also do all my own work on my truck...which saves tons of money. (Example: $88 for a timing cover, Chain, tensioner, guide swap... vs $1200 at a shop with labor.) Plus, ebay, scrap yards, and bartering (my favorite method) help obtain parts. When it's all said and done, it may seem like i've dropped a ton of cash...but really haven't.