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zeorai

03-22-2007, 08:35 PM

The most boring cars on the road? Have you seen or driven a Buick in the past 20 years? Hmm...seems like you might be missing something.

Anyway, more rumors on a new AE86! There have been new AE86 rumors for over 10 years now. Toyota brass in Japan know how popular the car still is, despite being 20 years old. It seems like every couple of years this rumor gets going again. I always wonder who starts it...

Toyota is struggling to meet global demand with their current line up of cars as is. It's hard to see them even able to find production time to make another vehicle and especially something RWD, which takes a bit more production time.

But hey, if they build it I'll get in line with all the other AE86 owners past and present.

Thundercat

03-22-2007, 08:44 PM

Boring? Im tired of ppl just throwing that around anytime they want to bash on toyota. Granted they dont build Ferrari's or anything like that, but seriously not many other "Mainstream" manufactures build anything much more exciting than Toyota does, they are just as "boring" if not worse.

With the exeption of the Corvette, Viper and maybe the Mustang for some ppl, what comes close? or truly significantly more exciting than Toyotas??

But still Toyota does need a Sports car, I think they are gettin the msg now and within the next few years we will see somethin'

TravisAe86

03-22-2007, 08:45 PM

civic killer....is back? HELL YA

TokyoRacer

03-22-2007, 08:45 PM

I'll believe it when I see it. Toyota is a big pussy. They don't have any performance car at the moment. They continue to make the most boring cars on the road.
I agree, for the most part.

And to the buick comment. Does buick try and make their little econobox model into a 'sports' car rather then jsut building a sportscar? No. If you don't actually have one in your line, then don't try and sell an existing car with a 'special package' as a sports car.

Atleast GM has gotten onboard in the Sport Compact Market with the solstice, the cobalt SS, dodge with the srt-4 caliber..mazda has it's miata as well as mazdaspeed line, honda has the s2000, nissan has the g35, 350x..toyota ahs what..oh a 4 door corolla with isn't it somthing like 170-170hp? Most new sedans come with that hp anyways..w00t for XRS..the average front wheel drive car that can't be outdone lol.

And I am no fanboy, all car companies suck, in one aspect. Toytas is 'performance' vehicles. The build and ride is good..jsut there's no performance.

84Cressida

03-22-2007, 09:09 PM

Now all they need to do is bring back the Supra, Celica, MR2, and maybe style them in retro 80's looks. They'd sell like Camrys.

emiliorescigno

03-23-2007, 01:47 AM

Tideland Prius

03-23-2007, 02:37 AM

Dodge :P

Wait, that's a bold claim isn't it? They have the Viper, Charger SRT-8, Magnum SRT-8, Caliber SRT-4, Nitro R/T etc etc.

True... but they all have one thing in common. They can go straight really really really fast but can't do a corner well hahaha. Even the Corvette can handle the corner now better than the Viper.

ECHOKnight2000

03-23-2007, 07:33 AM

I read an article in Automobile magazine about the FT-HS concept that debut at the Chicago show and how the article was talking about it will or might be the direction Toyota takes with its supposed next sports car. Obviously its just still a concept but the article mentioned that the top brass in Japan is very interested and aware that Toyota needs something to fill that true sports car gap in the line up. So hopefully in the not to distant future like 09 or something we'll finally see a sports car from Toyota and it will be a hybrid...:thumbup:

TRD-MX83

03-23-2007, 11:22 AM

Sports Car and Hybrid doesn't mix so well with me.

Sports cars should be light weight. Hybrids are NOT.
0-60 is one thing... but a sports cars has to be able to Handle!
Whether it's touge or on a track... a Hybrid will just be too heavy to handle well.
(PROVE ME WRONG TOYOTA!) :D

majortom1981

03-23-2007, 11:31 AM

TRD-MX83 couldnt they put the electric engine on the back wheels and make the car sort of awd and give the car better handling and performance.

That would still be a hybrid car?

TRD-MX83

03-23-2007, 03:12 PM

TRD-MX83 couldnt they put the electric engine on the back wheels and make the car sort of awd and give the car better handling and performance.

That would still be a hybrid car?

True... but for example, let's say you have the FTHS as the new supra. Just the 2GR powering it. Say it's 3200lbs. and 50/50 weight ratio. 300hp. 10.7lbs/hp

Now you add Hybrid componenets/battery/motor/etc...

Car goes to 3600lbs. and still 50/50? (not sure) and 350hp. 10.3lbs/hp (but I know lots more tq.) 0-60 faster? I'm am sure... however when you "throw" a car into the corners... tell me how all that 900lbs at each corner reacts?

Would an AE86 handle well if you add 300-400lbs to it? even if you were able to distribute it evenly... it's still HEFT.... You can't escape weight. Otherwise race cars wouldn't need to have their entire interior stripped... The Hybrid versions of the Camry/RX's/GS's all handle worst than their gas only counterparts. (assuming using the same wheels/tires) If I made my 3419lbs Cressida 400lbs lighter... I'm sure it will handle better, and faster...

My 2 cents... :)

mike austin

03-23-2007, 06:31 PM

Hey guys, I owned a 1985 gts fastback and it was the most fun ride I have ever owned. I now own a 93 Tercel that has had some performance things done it, and it'll smoke Civics & Preludes without a problem. I have just purchased an AE92 Corolls gts and am preparing to take out the motor (4AGE) for some go fast work, gonna make it my next hot rod. I understand what you mean about Toyotas lack of performance, everything I have just mentioned is old school, and or heavily modified. Thats my 2 cents.

cam2Xrunner

03-23-2007, 07:46 PM

My RWD, 6 speed manual 235hp 4.0V6, .9g's skidpad holding Toyota is ALOT of fun. And I can pull a boat to the river or throw all my bikes in the bed :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/trdcamry2003/Mountain%20Bike%20Pics/th_833979-R1-20-19A.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/trdcamry2003/Mountain%20Bike%20Pics/833979-R1-20-19A.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/trdcamry2003/Mountain%20Bike%20Pics/th_833979-R1-16-15A.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/trdcamry2003/Mountain%20Bike%20Pics/833979-R1-16-15A.jpg)

rezzle

03-24-2007, 02:12 AM

I'll believe it when I see it. Toyota is a big pussy. They don't have any performance car at the moment. They continue to make the most boring cars on the road.
TROLL!!

I smell American Pride
I shall indulge your imbecilic mind and play your game only to show you again that you are inferior.

.. insert surfer accent here ... Wow dude like doncha think yer spendin just a little bit too much time on the beach? Think the brain is fried man.

Its a shame the TRD Tacoma has a better skidpad rating than a 350Z
Xrunner
http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/2005/toyota/xrunner/page1.html

The new fullsize truck has a faster 0-60 than almost all of GM's lineup.
Tundra
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=119281/pageNumber=6

The Luxury cars sport +300HP and are the most reliable car line in the world
Lexus SC coupe
http://www.lexus.com/models/SC/

Lexus LS
http://www.lexus.com/models/LS/

TRD superchargers are available for most recent model corollas, and scions
www.trdusa.com

I owned a base model bottom of the line Pussy and I put it up against any base model bottom of the line POS any day of the week. Publicized numbers by American manufacturers are imbelished even the basic bottom of the line Echo could smoke the base cavalier, neon, 325i, and civic both on and off the track. I know, I drove one for 210000km without any issues! Mine was even an automatic. In snow dust rain over mountains in several navigational rallies, and in trips across the continent to see both oceans.

I'm not sayin Americans don't do some things well you did invent the surf .. oh wait that was Hawaiians, err basketball... oops a Canadian, umm light bul hold it Edison bought the patent from a canadian umm Telephone no wait Bell was born in Scotland and educated in Canada wasn't he? what did you invent anyway? Jets? no copied German Technologies hhmm rockets.. rats the Germans again ummm Maybe French Fries ya French fries, why did you name them that anyway kinda silly if you ask me.

Now go .. take your greasy pototoe (yes I spelled this wrong on purpose just like one of your vice presidents) eatin' redneck lovin hide back to the AMC forum where it belongs I am done with you.

Edit .. oh ya corollas rock.

TaWcomA26

03-24-2007, 04:33 AM

True... but they all have one thing in common. They can go straight really really really fast but can't do a corner well hahaha.

O my...I couldn't have said it any better myself.

REN69

03-24-2007, 10:49 AM

Toyota = Teh suck!

Their market is old ladies and families who drive big sedans and vans.. and of course commuters, I don't think they'll get back into performance anytime soon. :disappoin

ECHOKnight2000

03-24-2007, 01:22 PM

Toyota = Teh suck!

Their market is old ladies and families who drive big sedans and vans.. and of course commuters, I don't think they'll get back into performance anytime soon. :disappoin

True...because that's the biggest market but then again that's why they have Scion regarless if you see it has a joke or hate it. We'll see in the future...:thumbup:

AstroVannin

03-24-2007, 05:32 PM

Toyota = Teh suck!

Their market is old ladies and families who drive big sedans and vans.. and of course commuters, I don't think they'll get back into performance anytime soon. :disappoin

+1

Tideland Prius

03-24-2007, 10:29 PM

The GS450h beat the M45 and G430 in a 3-lap battle at Tsukuba on Best Motoring.

The battery is 99lbs. Not sure how much the motors and inverter weighs but I know that the CVT is LIGHTER than the auto tranny. Guaranteed. The PSD is only the size of a can of coke for crying out loud. You tell me how big an auto tranny is.

Plus, a V6 up front with battery over the rear wheels = better weight balance than a heavier V8 up front and no "weight" over the rear wheels.

TRD-MX83

03-25-2007, 05:35 AM

NotoriousMR

03-25-2007, 02:30 PM

from my experience working at a toyota dealership for 2 1/2 years i am VERY afraid that when toyota releases a new sports car it will be purely hybrid and not offered in a manual...those are my only two fears...that's about it...other wise i'm sure they will do fine on everything else...or they will learn from there mistakes....i hope

Tideland Prius

03-25-2007, 06:19 PM

Wouldn't a GS350 do the trick then? a Lighter GS with 306 hp. they should have thrown that into the mix as well.
Unfortunately, the GS350 wasn't available at the time of shooting. I would like to see the GS350 vs. GS450h. It'll be the perfect hybrid vs. non-hybrid counterpart since they're using the exact same engine.

TRD-MX83

03-26-2007, 12:43 AM

Unfortunately, the GS350 wasn't available at the time of shooting. I would like to see the GS350 vs. GS450h. It'll be the perfect hybrid vs. non-hybrid counterpart since they're using the exact same engine.

Yes I would agree... I assume the wheels/tire combos are not the same though?
Or the suspension tuning? I assume the "h" has stiffer suspension setup due to the extra weight?

But yes I would agree... best tests would be a GS350 vs. GS450h, wearing same size/brand of tires and same wheels. Eliminate as much difference as possible except for the Hybrid components.

Gekko

03-26-2007, 07:16 AM

There is a simple reason why Toyota is not producing any sport-cars at this stage:

Back in 2003/2004 Toyota set out on a plan to completely renew there engine line. As result the MZ V6 and JZ I6 engines got replaced by the all alloy GR V6. The UZ V8 is now beeing replaced by the UR V8 and the ZZ I4 is beeing replaced by the ZR I4, CD I4 diesel by AD I4 diesel. HD I6 diesel by VD V8 diesel.. This, together with the release of allot of important new vehicles (Camry, RAV4, Corolla/Auris, Tundra, Lexus LS/IS/GS) Toyota had allot of work the past three years.

All that work did also damage the quality of Toyota, so Toyota slowed down the release of some vehicles (like the new Corolla) to doublecheck everything.

So, behind the scene Toyota is developing new sportcars (like the Lexus sportcar which we all have seen the past year). But Toyota is now slowely finding time to really work on them. A good handling chassis is easily designed. But after scrapping the 2JZ-GTE engine and the 2ZZ-GE (VVTL-i) engine Toyota need also to develop a new engine to power any sportscar. Developing and testing an engine can take up to 2 years!

91MR2quickNA

03-26-2007, 07:39 AM

Don't hold your breath for anything exciting coming out of the Toyota stable as a Toyota branded model.

FR is solely Lexus at this point (interesting how the FF based ES and RX sell the best, eh?)

FF is covered by Toyota and Scion, though Toyota does have FR BOF trucks.

Toyota acknowledged the hole in the lineup when they revealed the FT-HS sport concept. But a hybrid sports car coupled with a CVT is a no go, IMO.

Most regular, everyday people couple a manual transmission with a pain in the ass. It's no wonder M/T cars are dwindling. Even high end sports cars are offering SMGs.

I wonder if the IS-F will race in the Speed GT series with the IS350 in the American LeMans series.

PhatRoyale

03-26-2007, 09:11 AM

Heh, I like to think of the Elise/Exige as kind of a new-school AE86, if they only sold it for about half of it's MSRP now. Better yet, Toyota should try and take the opportunity to develop a RWD sports hatch/coupe in conjunction with Lotus' know-how. Until then, the IS350 and IS-F is the best Toyota/Lexus has now.

Camread

03-26-2007, 10:05 AM

what chassis was the MR2 spyder based on?

Tideland Prius

03-26-2007, 12:43 PM

Yes I would agree... I assume the wheels/tire combos are not the same though?
Or the suspension tuning? I assume the "h" has stiffer suspension setup due to the extra weight?

But yes I would agree... best tests would be a GS350 vs. GS450h, wearing same size/brand of tires and same wheels. Eliminate as much difference as possible except for the Hybrid components.
the GSh runs in 18s... the GS350 probably runs on 17s?

We need a GS specialist here to confirm the suspension settings lol.

91MR2quickNA

03-26-2007, 06:26 PM

what chassis was the MR2 spyder based on?

The MR2 has always had an exclusive chassis. The W chassis code is used for nothing else. For Toyota, that means limited profitability, and its no wonder this is the last model year for the MR2 Spyder globally.

ECHOKnight2000

03-26-2007, 07:52 PM

^^You think a roadster under the Scion brand name will sell better? Like for example its similar to the MR2 but cheaper and just simple as far as being a pure enthuisist car, doesn't have to have obsurb power but a good power to weight ratio and amazing handling and its just basic for the most part. I don't know just an idea. Don't get me wrong I lOVE Toyota but if I were looking for an exciting car sporty or sports car I'd look somewhere else, then again I'm up for exploring and looking into other makes, cause I've all driven or grew up with is Toyota's (not that its bad) but life's too short.:D

Tideland Prius

03-26-2007, 08:57 PM

DougDangger

03-27-2007, 02:45 PM

It's funny how idiots become blind to their brand because of "fanboyism".

I love my Toyota yet I'm not going to be stupid enough to ignore the fact that Toyota still caters to 60 year old women and not the adrenaline junky straight male.

Toyota can make great cars, however many can't afford them. I laugh at rice boys who jerk off to the sounds of the MKIV Supra. When those cars died, they retailed for over $50,000 in the mid - late 90's. Factor in inflation for 2007 and they'd sell for around $70,000 today which is something the average corolla drivers can't afford.

Toyota can NOT make an affordable "exciting" car. The last performance respectable performer they made was the Celica GTS. That's a phenomenal FWD car. However, not for the $25,000 price tag. I'll take a WRX instead.

Then they came up with a 165hp Corolla retailing close to $20,000 to combat the Civic SI, Neon SRT4, Mazda MP3... you've gotta be joking right? :lol:

Wake me up when Toyota makes something like these:
http://www.autobytel.com/images/2007/Mazda/Mazdaspeed3/400/07_Mazdaspeed3_03.jpg
http://www.melraptonhonda.com/images/civic_si_2006.jpg
http://www.fastandbestcars.com/images/mitsubishi/Lancer_Evolution_8_RS_2004_1.jpg
http://carsmedia.ign.com/cars/image/article/709/709457/subaru-wrx-tr-2006-20060519044615698.jpg
http://images.consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/cmsimages/articles/2006_los_angeles_auto_show/06-vw-gti-1_600.jpg
http://www.autointell.com/asian_companies/nissan/nissan-350z/nissan-350z-front-side-silver-350-225.jpg
http://www.mazdaclub.net/download/takehome/wallpaper/rx8-5_800x600.jpg

I admire Toyota's work with their luxury line ups that kicks the euro garbage out of the water. They have done a great job with their trucks. Their Scion line up to cater to the youth market with trenady affordable cars has also been successful.

Now they need to wake up and make something that performs and would compete with whatever is in the market. Don't give me an econobox and add 30hp, keep the same mushy suspension and call it a "performer". You gotta try harder than that.

TravisAe86

03-27-2007, 06:10 PM

i see some toyota haters here. GOD. Toyota 4 life....i think toyota knows what they are doing....and oh the FT-S is coming out soooooooooooo....STFU and i but the FT-s will dust all the cars in hondas and nissan line up. =P

DougDangger

03-27-2007, 06:25 PM

i see some toyota haters here. GOD. Toyota 4 life....i think toyota knows what they are doing....
Toyota doesn't have a clue about "performance" anymore.

and oh the FT-S is coming out soooooooooooo....STFU and i but the FT-s will dust all the cars in hondas and nissan line up. =P
You're talking about this:
http://www.toyota.com/images/vehicles/future/ftsx/photo_1.jpg
FT-SX? It looks like a Highlander replacement. Wow, that equals performance... :lol:

I wouldn't mind one of these:
http://www.carpw.com/pictures/honda/Civic_Si_Sedan_Concept_06_1.jpg
It would eat the XRS alive.
Toyota CAN do it, the truth is they WON'T. They enjoy making cars that put people to sleep behind the wheel. The Lexus line up is great, however, they don't have a performance trim like Mercedes has AMG and BMW has the "M". Yeah they talked about the Lexus "F" series... where is it?

The Scion line up is great, however, one should not expect performance for such low prices. Toyota = Boring

ECHOKnight2000

03-27-2007, 09:04 PM

^^^The "F" series performance cars from Lexus just started. The new IS-F is the first to get the treatment then other cars within the Lexus line-up but that car isn't coming out till early next year I believe so it will be awhile for Lexus have a full "performance" line up. Although their hybrid varient models are competative as far as power and speed.
I think TravisAe86 was referring to the FT-HS concept which was Toyota's concept performance hybrid at this years Chicago auto show which is just pure concept but from what I read Toyota execs like it and want something like this.:thumbup:

aznstylez

03-27-2007, 10:45 PM

Toyota doesn't have a clue about "performance" anymore.

You're talking about this:
http://www.toyota.com/images/vehicles/future/ftsx/photo_1.jpg
FT-SX? It looks like a Highlander replacement. Wow, that equals performance... :lol:

I wouldn't mind one of these:
http://www.carpw.com/pictures/honda/Civic_Si_Sedan_Concept_06_1.jpg
It would eat the XRS alive.
Toyota CAN do it, the truth is they WON'T. They enjoy making cars that put people to sleep behind the wheel. The Lexus line up is great, however, they don't have a performance trim like Mercedes has AMG and BMW has the "M". Yeah they talked about the Lexus "F" series... where is it?

The Scion line up is great, however, one should not expect performance for such low prices. Toyota = Boring

*Sigh* A freaking typical boring Honda just gotta use another car's powerplant(IntegraTypeR). Anyone can swap in a motor if they have the money. Honda doing this just to keep car enthusiasts out of the engine bay. How much is this car gonna cost? Probably around the $20,000. How many will be produce? Probably the same as the Integra TypeR.:lol: "Please stand in line people if you want one."

aznstylez

03-27-2007, 11:53 PM

Toyota doesn't have a clue about "performance" anymore.

You're talking about this:
http://www.toyota.com/images/vehicles/future/ftsx/photo_1.jpg
FT-SX? It looks like a Highlander replacement. Wow, that equals performance... :lol:

I wouldn't mind one of these:
http://www.carpw.com/pictures/honda/Civic_Si_Sedan_Concept_06_1.jpg
It would eat the XRS alive.
Toyota CAN do it, the truth is they WON'T. They enjoy making cars that put people to sleep behind the wheel. The Lexus line up is great, however, they don't have a performance trim like Mercedes has AMG and BMW has the "M". Yeah they talked about the Lexus "F" series... where is it?

The Scion line up is great, however, one should not expect performance for such low prices. Toyota = Boring

Oh by the way, if Toyota doesn't have a clue about performance, there wouldn't be Lexus.:clap:

Bugmenot

03-28-2007, 01:16 AM

Tideland Prius

03-28-2007, 01:18 AM

*Sigh* A freaking typical boring Honda just gotta use another car's powerplant(IntegraTypeR). Anyone can swap in a motor if they have the money. Honda doing this just to keep car enthusiasts out of the engine bay. How much is this car gonna cost? Probably around the $20,000. How many will be produce? Probably the same as the Integra TypeR.:lol: "Please stand in line people if you want one."
We have that 4-dr.. it's called the Acura CSX Type-S and it retails for Cdn$33,400. That's expensive considering the Civic Coupe Si is $25k

engineer

03-28-2007, 08:46 AM

DougDangger, I agree with you about the lack of performance cars from Toyota. I have been saying this for years. I am currently in the market for a "fun", 3rd car and I honestly can't think of one Toyota (or Scion or Lexus) that fits the bill. Toyota makes nice family cars and such, but there is no street bruiser, RWD (FWD or AWD either) performance car to even look at, much less test drive or own. . . .

People here are making your point and don't even know it. You mention sports car and you get the canned answer of: "You have the Lexus F coming out, and the old Supra, and the Camry has 270hp. . . . .oh, and the Corolla S and the tC". I don't what to pay $50 large for a Lexus that is already outpaced by the old CTS-V, M5, or AMG. . . . .I don't want an old, beat down Supra (nice car, but good luck finding one someone hasn't already mod’ed), and the Camry, Corolla and tC are NOT sports cars, not even close. These may be "sporty", but they are still a grocery getter under the skin, developed for getting groceries not carving corners or laying down a smoky patch.

Of all the car companies out there, you would think Toyota would have a sports car; afterall, they have plenty of cash to develop one. In the end, though, maybe that's why Toyota has become the "500 pound gorilla" it has. . . . .by focusing on core products and not niche vehicles. That's a great business strategy, but it sure doesn't do much for those of us that want soul in a vehicle, and not just "sporty" transportation. :disappoin

Yota4Ever

03-28-2007, 11:05 AM

I agree, for the most part.

And to the buick comment. Does buick try and make their little econobox model into a 'sports' car rather then jsut building a sportscar? No. If you don't actually have one in your line, then don't try and sell an existing car with a 'special package' as a sports car.

Atleast GM has gotten onboard in the Sport Compact Market with the solstice, the cobalt SS, dodge with the srt-4 caliber..mazda has it's miata as well as mazdaspeed line, honda has the s2000, nissan has the g35, 350x..toyota ahs what..oh a 4 door corolla with isn't it somthing like 170-170hp? Most new sedans come with that hp anyways..w00t for XRS..the average front wheel drive car that can't be outdone lol.

And I am no fanboy, all car companies suck, in one aspect. Toytas is 'performance' vehicles. The build and ride is good..jsut there's no performance.
Actually Toyota has the:

TC
Camry SE V6(I think it can compete)
IS250/350(upcoming IS-F)
GS350(Upcoming GS470)
What the hell why not throw in the LS460 too

Maybe Toyota isn't as desperate as the detroit 3 at popping out these sports cars because they don't need to, because if you havent noticed the reason they're pushing them out is because toyota is taking over and they think they can win fans back by pumping up the horsepower.

Oops, I must have missed a few pages LOL.....well I still agree with what I said. The things said about the civic and the mazda.....I'd nevr buy a mazda because it's just a ford now pretty much or that what I associate it with...........the Civic to me is just plain ugly. I think with the upcoming Corolla/Blade we will see some great performance to go up again the 3 and Civic SI. In the end Toyota has never been in any rush to take over any segment, they take their time to do it right...so while all these manufactuers are spitting out all these "performance" cars Toyota is taking it's time to do something really good that will put them all to shame.

DougDangger

03-28-2007, 12:44 PM

Oh by the way, if Toyota doesn't have a clue about performance, there wouldn't be Lexus.:clap:
Lexus wasn't created for "performance". Get a clue genius.

DougDangger

03-28-2007, 12:47 PM

http://www.carpw.com/pictures/honda/Civic_Si_Sedan_Concept_06_1.jpg

^^^ You think this looks good? Give me a break.:eek::rolleyes:

With those gay looking side cladding/add-ons, you would think it came out of Rubber Maid or something.

I would give you this, I think the rolla and civic's styling is pretty much in the same league. Boring, but I prefer the rolla's more elegant and sleek look than that thing you call an example. :disappoin

Now the mazda3 is more like it. It looks alot more modern and elegant than the two, but that is to be expected since Mazda is more focused on the youth market and Toyota and yes Honda (have you seen the accord and civic?) is more for the baby boomers. Honda's and Toyota's demographic is not you but the baby boomers because that's where the population is at. They don't like anything too youthful looking.

I admire the SI for its performance, not just looks. You being the riceboy that you are don't care about performance. Toyota has nothing in their 4 banger line up that can come close to their current SI line.

Like I said before, wake me up when Toyota produces something that performs. Otherwise, keep your Corollas with "S" badging with body kits and spoilers that can't even catch a cold.

DougDangger

03-28-2007, 01:08 PM

Actually Toyota has the:

TC
Camry SE V6(I think it can compete)

Wrong.

IS250/
WRX and the EVO would eat it alive.

350(upcoming IS-F)
300C SRT-8 and the CTS-V would rape it like Kobe did that chick.

GS350(Upcoming GS470)
Infinity M45 would take it apart.

What the hell why not throw in the LS460 too
That's not a performer.

Maybe Toyota isn't as desperate as the detroit 3 at popping out these sports cars because they don't need to
They were making those sport compacts before they got into their financial shit hole. Try again junior.

, because if you havent noticed the reason they're pushing them out is because toyota is taking over and they
Toyota taking over isn't a good thing. Anyone with a brain would know that a monopoly is poison to consumers.

think they can win fans back by pumping up the horsepower.
It actually can. Take a look at Nissan. About a decade ago they were about to go under. They started to make better cars that actually performed (350Z, Sentra SE-R, Infinity G series...) and people started buying them. Nissan was able to get out of the rat hole they were in.

Mazda also had a similar experience, now they have a more attractive line up of cars than Toyota. Toyota has their reliability and quality (not so good lately) to help them push out cars. However, when you have competitors that are getting close to your quality and reliability, but their products are more attractive... you better watch out.

Oops, I must have missed a few pages LOL.....well I still agree with what I said. The things said about the civic and the mazda.....I'd nevr buy a mazda because it's just a ford now pretty much or that what I associate it with
Your point is? Many car makers share parts and engineering. You'd be surprised how many GM share parts with Toyota.

...........the Civic to me is just plain ugly.
You're no Halle Berry either.

I think with the upcoming Corolla/Blade we will see some great performance to go up again the 3 and Civic SI.
With what, the 1.8L 126hp engine? :lol:

In the end Toyota has never been in any rush to take over any segment, they take their time to do it right...so while all these manufactuers are spitting out all these "performance" cars Toyota is taking it's time to do something really good that will put them all to shame.

Tell me Miss Cleo the psychic, What is Toyota "taking it's time to do something right" with their performance compacts? You're pulling things out of your ass.

engineer

03-28-2007, 01:47 PM

Actually Toyota has the:
TC
Camry SE V6(I think it can compete)
IS250/350(upcoming IS-F)
GS350(Upcoming GS470)
What the hell why not throw in the LS460 too

Did I call it or what!!! I can't make this stuff up. . . . .it's just too funny!!!!!!:lol:

For comparison:

GM-

CTS-V
STS-V
XLR (XLR-V)
Sky (Redline)
Vue Redline
Corvette (Z06)
Cobalt SS/SC
Trailblazer SS
GTO (still some on dealers lots)
G8 (coming this fall)
Solstice (GXP)

Ford-

Mustang (GT500)
Miata
RX-8
3SPEED
6SPEED
Range Rover Sport Supercharged

Dodge-

Magnum SRT-8
Grand Cherokee SRT-8
Charger SRT-8
300 SRT-8
Ram SRT-10
Viper SRT-10
Caliber SRT-4
Crossfire SRT-6 (do they still make those?)

Mercedes-

AMG

BMW-

M
X5
Mini Cooper (S)

Nissan-

350Z
G35 (G37)

Honda-

S2000
Civic S

Hyunday-

Tiberon GT (or whatever it's called. . . .)

Mitsubishi-

Lancer EVO

Subaru-

WRX (STi)

VeeDub-

Rabbit GTi

Everybody but Toyota has a dedicated sports car, except Toyota, even Hyundai (with the Tiberon). WHERE IS THE DRIVING EXCITEMENT AT THE TOYOTA DEALERSHIPS???

aznstylez

03-28-2007, 01:48 PM

Lexus wasn't created for "performance". Get a clue genius.

What is performance to you than, huh huh huh? Toyota/Lexus build the fastest car with automatics. First 7speed automatics on the LS460. You see any other company doing that? Not even the Infinity M45 is automatic, hah. WRX/Evolution against the IS350? Are you comparing automatic to automatic? N/A against N/A, shit? Toyota and Lexus don't need turbos since they know how to build engines. Lexus are performance sedans, man.Oh yeah, Nissan aren't own by Japanese anymore, they're more like German which who brought them up.

engineer

03-28-2007, 02:07 PM

What is performance to you than, huh huh huh? Toyota/Lexus build the fastest car with automatics. First 7speed automatics on the LS460. You see any other company doing that? WRX/Evolution against the IS350? Are you comparing automatic to automatic? N/A against Turbo? Toyota and Lexus don't need turbos since they know how to build engines.

There's an old adage in racing. . . . . "It doesn't matter how you go fast, so long as you go FAST!!!

Turbo, no turbo, automatic or manual, 7 speed or 2 speed Powerglide. . . . .IT DOES NOT MATTER. EVO's, WRX STi's, Cobalt SS's, Z06's, Viper's, Solstice’s. . . . .these cars have race series championships under thier belt, the IS350 or LS460 (even with the "first 7-speed :whatwhat: ) do not. Get with the program. Lexus makes some great cars, but lets not get carried away. . . .

As far as building motors that do not need Turbo's. . . . :confused: Why do you think so many people on this board bolt turbo's on when they really want to go fast? Yep, because it's the best way to make power. . . Too bad Toyota didn't send them from the factory with a turbo, if they did, maybe people wouldn't have to beef up the bottom end to handle it. . . . .

BLUEMEANIE

03-28-2007, 02:16 PM

boring ... meh ... Scion and Lexus are picking up the style end. I'm pretty happy with my tC looks wise.

DougDangger

03-28-2007, 02:31 PM

Hyunday-

Tiberon GT (or whatever it's called. . . .)

I wouldn't call the Tiburon GT a "performer". Their V6 puts out just slightly more ponies than Toyota's 4 banger tC and it costs more too.

But you're right, nearly every maker has a performance trim, not Toyota.

engineer

03-28-2007, 02:37 PM

^^^never really cared enough to look at it. . . .thanks for the info. . . .:)

RAV4EVR

03-28-2007, 02:50 PM

Everybody but Toyota has a dedicated sports car, except Toyota, even Hyundai (with the Tiberon). WHERE IS THE DRIVING EXCITEMENT AT THE TOYOTA DEALERSHIPS???

Amazing how you casually included the Cadillacs in the GM vehicle list but deliberately neglected to mention the IS and the GS. Ever driven the 4Runner Sport? Even if you have, I know it is not of your taste. End of story. :rolleyes:

The FJ Cruiser... does not quality FOR YOU.. End of story there too. :rolleyes:

Correct. There is no "true" sports car, as you would call it...

.... but you did a great job of putting a nice negative spin on the whole picture.... ..."WHERE IS THE DRIVING EXCITEMENT AT THE TOYOTA DEALERSHIPS???"

I am not going to argue so whatever... :rolleyes:

DougDangger

03-28-2007, 02:54 PM

What is performance to you than, huh huh huh?
You won't understand what performance is if you look in Toyota's book.

Toyota/Lexus build the fastest car with automatics. First 7speed automatics on the LS460.
Automatics are for women.

You see any other company doing that? Not even the Infinity M45 is automatic, hah.
Luxury and manual transmission don't go together. Toyota doesn't even want to give you a manual transmission on some of their cars with balls. Nissans gives you the option on having a manual transmission on their G35 coupe and sedan. Not Lexus, you only get the manual on the castrated IS250. The Camry V6 has a bitchin 265hp engine, guess what, no manual. You want a manual, get a Honda Accord. Toyota has no balls.

WRX/Evolution against the IS350? Are you comparing automatic to automatic? N/A against N/A, shit?
We're comparing performance with performance, unfortunately for you, Toyota is ignorant of that.

Toyota and Lexus don't need turbos since they know how to build engines.
LOL! What do you think made the MKIV Supra so great? Yep, it's called "turbos".

Lexus are performance sedans,
http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/LexusGS430/Images2006/LeftFront.jpg
http://news.windingroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/Cadillac-CTS-V-front-3-4.jpg
The CTS-V will give the GS430 a thorough raping.

$46,000 gets you a GS350.
$43,000 gets you a 300C SRT-8 that would bitch slap your GS350 and its bigger brother.

man.Oh yeah, Nissan aren't own by Japanese anymore, they're more like German which who brought them up.

I see they learned something from the Germans.

DougDangger

03-28-2007, 03:04 PM

The FJ Cruiser... does not quality FOR YOU.. End of story there too. :rolleyes:

The FJ is pretty cool. However, if I'm going off road, I'll save myself the $5,000 and get the undisputed best off roader of all time:
http://www.muddy4x4.com/jptj4.JPG

RAV4EVR

03-28-2007, 04:27 PM

The FJ is pretty cool. However, if I'm going off road, I'll save myself the $5,000 and get the undisputed best off roader of all time:
http://www.muddy4x4.com/jptj4.JPG

That is your opinion but that was not the point anyway.

engineer

03-28-2007, 04:39 PM

Amazing how you casually included the Cadillacs in the GM vehicle list but deliberately neglected to mention the IS and the GS. Ever driven the 4Runner Sport? Even if you have, I know it is not of your taste. End of story. :rolleyes:

The FJ Cruiser... does not quality FOR YOU.. End of story there too. :rolleyes:

Correct. There is no "true" sports car, as you would call it...

.... but you did a great job of putting a nice negative spin on the whole picture.... ..."WHERE IS THE DRIVING EXCITEMENT AT THE TOYOTA DEALERSHIPS???"

I am not going to argue so whatever... :rolleyes:

Here is why I left Lexus out:

Cadillac:
CTS-V Corvette sourced LS2, 6.0L V8, 400hp/400ft*lb. 0-60 4.7 sec, ¼ mile 13.3 sec @ 105mph
2008 CTS-V is rumored to have the LS7, 7.0L V8 from the Z06. 505hp/480ft*lb. . . .OUCH!!!

STS-V Supercharged 4.4L NorthStar V8, 469hp/439ft*lb. 0-60 4.9 sec, ¼ mile 13.4 sec @ 105mph

XLR-V Supercharged 4.4L NorthStar V8, 443hp/414ft*lb. 0-60 4.6 sec, ¼ mile 12.7 sec @ 109mph

Lexus:
IS350 3.5L V6, 306hp/277ft*lb. 0-60 5.6 sec, ¼ mile 14.2 @ 98mph

GS430 4.3L V8, 290hp/319ft*lb. 0-60 5.7 sec, ¼ mile 14.5 @ 95mph
GS350 3.5L V6, 303hp/274ft*lb. 0-60 5.7 sec, ¼ mile 14.1 @ 100mph

The Caddies are a full second faster to 60mph, and 1+ seconds faster in the ¼ mile, have over 100hp and 150 ft*lb more umpf. Throw in an exhaust and a tune on all these cars (the Caddies and Lexus’) and watch the performance gap grow. . . .

The Lexus’ are pretty fast, but to if your looking for power, the Lexus’ ain’t the ticket. . . .

DougDangger

03-28-2007, 04:39 PM

That is your opinion but that was not the point anyway.
It's not an opinion, it's a FACT.

Talk to real off roaders, you might learn a thing or two.

I guess you're of some authority in off-roading, after all, you drive a Rav4 :lol:

Yota4Ever

03-28-2007, 05:19 PM

Doung whatever your name is........why don't you go join a GM site and start talking sh*t about Toyota instead of coming to the Toyota forums to do it. Or even better yet why don't you get a life instead of picking apart everybody's comments, you don't like Toyota fine, understand, Toyota isnt your cup of tea, fine understood...no need to sit here trying to prove a point that you're not going to here. It's not like we're going to be like "OMG, Doug is so right! Toyota is boring lets all go join the GM forums since they have all these performance cars with all the cheap plastic all over them" :clap:

Give it up dude.

engineer

03-28-2007, 05:28 PM

Yoya, can you change your font please, it is very hard to read your posts. . .Thanks.

DougDangger

03-28-2007, 05:44 PM

Doung whatever your name is........why don't you go join a GM site and start talking sh*t about Toyota instead of coming to the Toyota forums to do it.
I have a habit of taking apart the comments of people who lie.

Or even better yet why don't you get a life instead of picking apart everybody's comments, you don't like Toyota fine, understand, Toyota isnt your cup of tea, fine understood...
Toyota makes great boring cars. Infact I bought one. For the times when I crave for adrenaline, that's when I jump on my sportbike.

no need to sit here trying to prove a point that you're not going to here. It's not like we're going to be like "OMG, Doug is so right!
It won't make you any less of a person if you do. ;)

Toyota is boring lets all go join the GM forums since they have all these performance cars with all the cheap plastic all over them" :clap:
You think GM has cheap plastic all over it? :lol: You apparently haven't looked at your toyota close enough. :lol: :lol:

Give it up dude.

:lol:

ECHOKnight2000

03-28-2007, 07:48 PM

I agree some what with engineer and DougDannger and yes Toyota doesn't have a true sports car in that sense but they still have very competative cars that have just as much power/performance whether that be Toyota or Lexus...yeah it sucks they don't offer manuals but you have to remember they are appealing and have a much bigger market than Nissan, Mazda, Honda and majority of people will opt for the auto and us few "enthusists" will preferr a stick. I bet you if they did offer manuals they would be sitting on the lot and its such a shrinking market, but I'm not denying the draw of a manual that will attract enthusists. Of course we are loosely throw around the term enthusist cause we all have our definition.:thumbup:

aznstylez

03-28-2007, 09:49 PM

Here is why I left Lexus out:

Cadillac:
CTS-V Corvette sourced LS2, 6.0L V8, 400hp/400ft*lb. 0-60 4.7 sec, ¼ mile 13.3 sec @ 105mph
2008 CTS-V is rumored to have the LS7, 7.0L V8 from the Z06. 505hp/480ft*lb. . . .OUCH!!!

STS-V Supercharged 4.4L NorthStar V8, 469hp/439ft*lb. 0-60 4.9 sec, ¼ mile 13.4 sec @ 105mph

XLR-V Supercharged 4.4L NorthStar V8, 443hp/414ft*lb. 0-60 4.6 sec, ¼ mile 12.7 sec @ 109mph

Lexus:
IS350 3.5L V6, 306hp/277ft*lb. 0-60 5.6 sec, ¼ mile 14.2 @ 98mph

GS430 4.3L V8, 290hp/319ft*lb. 0-60 5.7 sec, ¼ mile 14.5 @ 95mph
GS350 3.5L V6, 303hp/274ft*lb. 0-60 5.7 sec, ¼ mile 14.1 @ 100mph

The Caddies are a full second faster to 60mph, and 1+ seconds faster in the ¼ mile, have over 100hp and 150 ft*lb more umpf. Throw in an exhaust and a tune on all these cars (the Caddies and Lexus’) and watch the performance gap grow. . . .

The Lexus’ are pretty fast, but to if your looking for power, the Lexus’ ain’t the ticket. . . .

Yeah, but who will last longer or make more trip to the stealership for repairs? For your informations, the Lexuses aren't supercharged, they're N/A. If the Lexus were to have the same horsepower or close to the American cars, guess who would win? Just watch until the F-Series Lexus to come out and compare then.

aznstylez

03-28-2007, 10:11 PM

There's an old adage in racing. . . . . "It doesn't matter how you go fast, so long as you go FAST!!!

Turbo, no turbo, automatic or manual, 7 speed or 2 speed Powerglide. . . . .IT DOES NOT MATTER. EVO's, WRX STi's, Cobalt SS's, Z06's, Viper's, Solstice’s. . . . .these cars have race series championships under thier belt, the IS350 or LS460 (even with the "first 7-speed :whatwhat: ) do not. Get with the program. Lexus makes some great cars, but lets not get carried away. . . .

As far as building motors that do not need Turbo's. . . . :confused: Why do you think so many people on this board bolt turbo's on when they really want to go fast? Yep, because it's the best way to make power. . . Too bad Toyota didn't send them from the factory with a turbo, if they did, maybe people wouldn't have to beef up the bottom end to handle it. . . . .

So long as you go FAST??? Would a Bugatti Veyron be able to reach 250mph with only half of the horsepower it has now? Yes, it still can but it would take longer. It needs the turbos to make that kind of power. I don't believe Toyota wants to build cars with turbos anymore since it cost too much and maintenance. Turbo aight the only way to make power, did you forget superchargers and nitrous? Not only people from this board but people from all around the world. Not just Toyotas but people with Nissan, Hondas, etc... Oh yeah, I've never seen Solstices and Cobalt in series championships, can you prove that? The Solstices just came out too.... Z06's, Viper's in 24hour LeMan. EVO's and WRX STi's in Rally. Lexus IS in drifting, have you seen drifting before? The 7 speed is for better fuel economy, do you know what fuel economy is? That is something American sport cars don't have. The more power you have the lesser gas mileage.

91MR2quickNA

03-29-2007, 02:08 AM

Here is why I left Lexus out:

Cadillac:
CTS-V Corvette sourced LS2, 6.0L V8, 400hp/400ft*lb. 0-60 4.7 sec, ¼ mile 13.3 sec @ 105mph
2008 CTS-V is rumored to have the LS7, 7.0L V8 from the Z06. 505hp/480ft*lb. . . .OUCH!!!
Lexus:
IS350 3.5L V6, 306hp/277ft*lb. 0-60 5.6 sec, ¼ mile 14.2 @ 98mph

At least compare apples to apples if you're going to do a comparison. The Cadillac V models are exclusive performance models, while the Lexi you showed were just normal models. Lexus is launching its F performance division, so don't just expect the performance gap to grow.

Also, your IS350 times are dead wrong.

0-60mph in 4.9s, 1/4 mile in 13.5s @ 105.5mph per Road and Track's testing in a 3 way comparison with the 2007 G35 sedan and Acura TL-S. 0.2s isn't much of a difference. I expect more from the CTS-V with its big V8.

DougDangger

03-29-2007, 02:20 AM

Yeah, but who will last longer or make more trip to the stealership for repairs?
Is that what you're gonna tell yourself after you get your ass handed to you by a guy in a Cadillac? :lol: I see, you're going to use the "reliability card" as an ice pack for your bruised ego. :lol: :lol: :lol:

If you think Cadillac is junk, think again:
http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/charts/2006082a.gif
Their quality is way above the industry average. Isn't it funny how Hyundai does better than Toyota? Yes, Toyota themselves have been slipping on the quality scale.

For your informations, the Lexuses aren't supercharged, they're N/A.
Thank you so much captain obvious.

If the Lexus were to have the same horsepower or close to the American cars, guess who would win?
The American cars. The LS series are kick ass engines. Not to mention GM puts them on MANUAL TANSMISSIONS. You can take your supercharged AUTOMATIC Lexus and shove it where the sun don't shine.

Just watch until the F-Series Lexus to come out and compare then.
Start doing your victory dance IF and when that happens. However, as of now, one thing is for sure, Lexus ---> http://www.xmere.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/bitchslap2.gif <--- Cadillac :clap:

DougDangger

03-29-2007, 02:37 AM

I don't believe Toyota wants to build cars with turbos anymore since it cost too much and maintenance.
Really? Subaru sells the WRX for as low as $23,800 and for the performance it offers, it's a fricken steal. Oh, and they are quite reliable and low maintenance.

Turbo aight the only way to make power, did you forget superchargers and nitrous?
Turbos are more efficient and puts out more power than superchargers, on smaller displacement engines. And nitrous? You're kidding right? Nitrous tanks don't last too long. A turbocharged car NEVER runs out of boost as long as you have coolant and oil flowing through it. I suggest you pick up a book about forced induction.

for better fuel economy, do you know what fuel economy is? That is something American sport cars don't have.

Corvette Z06 7.0L V8 17 - 27mpg 505hp
Mazda RX8 1.3L R 18 - 25mpg 232hp
Nissan 350Z 3.5L V6 18 - 27mpg 306hp
Mitsubishi Lancer EVO 2.0L I4T 18 - 25mpg 286hp
Ford Mustang 4.6L V8 17 - 26mpg 300hp

Had enough? :cool:

DougDangger

03-29-2007, 02:48 AM

Also, your IS350 times are dead wrong.

0-60mph in 4.9s, 1/4 mile in 13.5s @ 105.5mph per Road and Track's testing in a 3 way comparison with the 2007 G35 sedan and Acura TL-S. 0.2s isn't much of a difference. I expect more from the CTS-V with its big V8.
Please don't lie.

An IS350's 0-60 is only 6.1 seconds and a 1/4mi of 14.23@99.82mph.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=106607/pageId=64972

Mistabullet

03-29-2007, 03:24 AM

Please don't lie.

An IS350's 0-60 is only 6.1 seconds and a 1/4mi of 14.23@99.82mph.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=106607/pageId=64972

You bring up some interesting points DougDangger, but I don't think this one is a lie.

*PDF*: Road & Track: IS350 0-60 = 4.9 (http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/02073car.pdf)

The funny thing about 0-60 times is that everyone gets something different. Thats why your best bet is to use the same source for all your 0-60 times. Instead of calling him a liar (which provokes further bashing) you should present him with the source from which you base your facts (Hopefully your values are all from the same source).

engineer

03-29-2007, 09:03 AM

Aznstylez, you are so misinformed, I honestly do not know where to start.

Turbo aight the only way to make power, did you forget superchargers and nitrous? Not only people from this board but people from all around the world. Not just Toyotas but people with Nissan, Hondas, etc...

Superchargers are not as efficient as a turbo, and given the exact same engine, the turbo setup will normally make more power. (I can’t believe I have to even explain this. . . .) Turbo’s run off the spent gasses of the combustion process, which is the natural byproduct of the Otto-cycle (4-stroke engine cycle). Turbo’s harness the exhaust gasses (already a byproduct) to spin a turbine to produce boost (or a pressure above 29.9 inHg, or 14.7 lbf). Superchargers run off of the crank, via a belt. This belt driven accessory draws power from the crank, and this power loss is called a “parasitic loss”. An engine could lose 20hp by installing a supercharger, yet the gain could be 100hp, for a net of 80hp. . . . the “parasitic losses” in a turbo (due to hindering the free flow of exhaust gasses) is much, much less.

As far a Nitrous, yea. . . . .bang for the buck it is great, but as Doug said, the bottles need to be refilled, plus you cant get that installed from the factory. I thought we were talking about factory “sports” cars here.

Oh yeah, I've never seen Solstices and Cobalt in series championships, can you prove that? The Solstices just came out too....

Solstice: SCCA Show Room Stock B Champion (you have heard of SCCA, right?). Your right, it did just come out, and is already kicking the crap out of the Miata’s, Civics, and BMW’s. . . .

"This win puts the finishing touch on an extremely strong rookie year for the Solstice in SCCA," said GM Performance Division executive John Heinricy. "We knew the Solstice would be very competitive, but winning a National and Northeast Division Championship in Club Racing and two more National Championships in Solo autocross competition really validates the performance of this top selling vehicle."

http://media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayServlet?target=http://image.emerald.gm.com/gmnews/viewmonthlyreleasedetail.do?domain=31&docid=29743 (http://media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayServlet?target=http://image.emerald.gm.com/gmnews/viewmonthlyreleasedetail.do?domain=31&docid=29743)

Cobalt SS: Grand-AM Cup ST Series. Finished 3rd in ’06 and 3rd in ’05 (they were in 1st place until last race of the season. . .). Two (2) Bonneville Salt Flats Land Speed records. G/BFALT Class record of 218.392mph and
G/FCC class record of 156.073mph.

Lexus IS in drifting, have you seen drifting before?

Oh, I did forget about Drifting, the GTO won the Formula D championship in 2005, and placed 2nd this past year. . . . .Thanks for reminding me. . . . .

The 7 speed is for better fuel economy, do you know what fuel economy is? That is something American sport cars don't have. The more power you have the lesser gas mileage.

I think Doug pretty much dispatched your “theory” in his post. . . .but here is a little more information. The Corvette Z06 is the ONLY supercar to avoid the Gas Guzzler Tax. That’s right, there is no other car (not even Lexus!!!!) that produces 505hp, and knocks down 27mpg, all while running deep into the 11’s in the ¼ mile, 0-60 in 3.7 sec and still gets 27mpg. . . . and it does it with only 6-speeds!!!! :nana:

91MR2quickNA

03-29-2007, 10:08 AM

The Corvette Z06 is the ONLY supercar to avoid the Gas Guzzler Tax. That’s right, there is no other car (not even Lexus!!!!) that produces 505hp, and knocks down 27mpg, all while running deep into the 11’s in the ¼ mile, 0-60 in 3.7 sec and still gets 27mpg. . . . and it does it with only 6-speeds!!!! :nana: [/COLOR]

Thank the broad torque curve, relatively low curb weight, and long overdrive gearing. The LS7 doesn't do quite as well in heavier vehicles. But in all seriousness, the people who can afford these cars, don't quite care about that.

DougDangger

03-29-2007, 01:37 PM

Oh, I did forget about Drifting, the GTO won the Formula D championship in 2005, and placed 2nd this past year. . . . .Thanks for reminding me. . . . .
American car bashers think that drifting is exclusive to Jap boxes. LOL!

They watch too much Initial-D. I hope that they do realize that it's a FICTIONAL cartoon.

I think Doug pretty much dispatched your “theory” in his post. . . .but here is a little more information. The Corvette Z06 is the ONLY supercar to avoid the Gas Guzzler Tax. That’s right, there is no other car (not even Lexus!!!!) that produces 505hp, and knocks down 27mpg, all while running deep into the 11’s in the ¼ mile, 0-60 in 3.7 sec and still gets 27mpg. . . . and it does it with only 6-speeds!!!! :nana:

Noobs think that just because a car has a dozen gears that it'll automatically be lightning fast and getting over 50mpg. A tractor trailer can have up to 15 gears and still get single digit mpg. My wife's solara, heavier car with only 4 gears gets better highway miles than my lighter tC with 5 gears. Why? tC's gears are terribly short and low. My lead foot isn't helping much either.

aznstylez

03-29-2007, 04:01 PM

Really? Subaru sells the WRX for as low as $23,800 and for the performance it offers, it's a fricken steal. Oh, and they are quite reliable and low maintenance.

Turbos are more efficient and puts out more power than superchargers, on smaller displacement engines. And nitrous? You're kidding right? Nitrous tanks don't last too long. A turbocharged car NEVER runs out of boost as long as you have coolant and oil flowing through it. I suggest you pick up a book about forced induction.

Corvette Z06 7.0L V8 17 - 27mpg 505hp
Mazda RX8 1.3L R 18 - 25mpg 232hp
Nissan 350Z 3.5L V6 18 - 27mpg 306hp
Mitsubishi Lancer EVO 2.0L I4T 18 - 25mpg 286hp
Ford Mustang 4.6L V8 17 - 26mpg 300hp

Had enough? :cool:

I didn't say anything about turbo being more efficient than superchargers. I just said that turbo isn't the only way to add horsepower. Oh yeah, please research carefully next time and also the Pontiac Solstice is soooo underpowered and freaking slow when compared to a Miata. Nitrous will last long if you know how to use it right.
Corvette ZO6 = 16city/26highway
Ford Mustang GT = 17city/25highway
Mazda RX-8 = 18city/25highway
Nissan 350Z = 20city/26highway
Mitsubishi EVO MR = 18city/24highway

Lexus IS350 = 21city/28highway = 306hp w/277 lb ft.of torque
Lexus GS450H V6 = 25city/28highway = 339hp
Lexus GS430 V8 = 18city/25highway = 290hp heavy arse car too.
Lexus SC430 V8 = 18city/25highway = 300hp w/325 lb ft of torque.
Lexus LS460 V8 = 19city/27highway = 380hp w/367 lb ft of torque. Heavy arse car too.
Toyota Supra Turbo = 19city/24highway = 320hp w/315 lb ft of torque.
Toyota MR2 Turbo = 20city/27highway = 200hp w142 lb ft of torque.

91MR2quickNA

03-29-2007, 04:03 PM

Toyota MR2 Turbo = 20city/27highway = 200hp w142 lb ft of torque.

Ouch. 200lb-ft.

aznstylez

03-29-2007, 04:10 PM

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American car bashers think that drifting is exclusive to Jap boxes. LOL!

They watch too much Initial-D. I hope that they do realize that it's a FICTIONAL cartoon.

Noobs think that just because a car has a dozen gears that it'll automatically be lightning fast and getting over 50mpg. A tractor trailer can have up to 15 gears and still get single digit mpg. My wife's solara, heavier car with only 4 gears gets better highway miles than my lighter tC with 5 gears. Why? tC's gears are terribly short and low. My lead foot isn't helping much either.

FICTIONAL cartoon hahaha, go to Japan dude. How much gas you save depends how you drive. Have you ever think of that? Have you ever ask your mom, grandma, and wife how they drive? The Lexus LS460 is a freaking heavy car which is why it needs that many gears to still keep it's top speed and still drives comfortably while still KICKING some American cars butt:lol:. And it's still freaking FAST as hellThe TC has short gears to get up to speed faster. If you don't believe me, try it with Gran Turismo4. I know it's just a game but I hope you know how to tune:lol: .

DougDangger

03-29-2007, 04:27 PM

I didn't say anything about turbo being more efficient than superchargers. I just said that turbo isn't the only way to add horsepower.
It's the most EFFICIENT way to get extra power.

Oh yeah, please research carefully next time
You should have a talk with yourself.

and also the Pontiac Solstice is soooo underpowered and freaking slow when compared to a Miata.
Miata 2.0L I4 166hp/140ft-lbs 0-60 7.1sec 1/4mi 15.6sec @ 90.5mph EPA 20-24mpg
Solstice 2.4L I4 177hp/166ft-lbs 0-60 6.8sec 1/4mi 15.2sec @ 91mph EPA 20-28mpg

Did I mention the Solstice has a 260hp/260ft-lb turbo model that'll eat your Miata alive? Too bad Mazda doesn't offer a performance model for the Miata.

Nitrous will last long if you know how to use it right.
Really? You have to have a tank the size of Ted Kennedy in your trunk to last you just a couple of days.

DougDangger

03-29-2007, 04:32 PM

FICTIONAL cartoon hahaha, go to Japan dude.
LOL!!! Lay off the crack.

How much gas you save depends how you drive. Have you ever think of that?
It's funny how the American cars with the big V8s get the same, if not better gas mileage than the Japanese sports cars while putting out MORE POWER. :lol:

If you don't believe me, try it with Gran Turismo4. I know it's just a game but I hope you know how to tune:lol: .

Tuning a car from a video game is not the same as REAL LIFE. I suggest you get your mom to take you to a speed shop after she picks you up from pre-school. You'll learn more about cars talking to real people than pushing buttons on your playstation and letting your ass get fatter and fatter.

aznstylez

03-29-2007, 04:44 PM

LOL!!! Lay off the crack.

It's funny how the American cars with the big V8s get the same, if not better gas mileage than the Japanese sports cars while putting out MORE POWER. :lol:

Tuning a car from a video game is not the same as REAL LIFE. I suggest you get your mom to take you to a speed shop after she picks you up from pre-school. You'll learn more about cars talking to real people than pushing buttons on your playstation and letting your ass get fatter and fatter.

Lay off the crack? I'm not the one that is looking white here. Hahaha, I bet you that my ass isn't fatter than your momma's or yours. And like I said, gas mileage depends on your driving style. Can you prove that tuning a car from a video game is not the same as REAL LIFE? It's the best realist game ever made, try it. A Pharmacists that works at my place, bought a freaking brand new yellow Corvette and got dusted by a supercharged Lexus IS300 and a supercharged GS400, which was pretty cool and funny since they were Pharm Tech. And the cars still get the same gas mileage. Corvette is an American classic car dude and I give it respect, better be glad it's still in production. I loved the Stingray:D.

aznstylez

03-29-2007, 04:49 PM

Ouch. 200lb-ft.

That's 142lb ft. of torque, Sir.

DougDangger

03-29-2007, 05:32 PM

Lay off the crack? I'm not the one that is looking white here. Hahaha, I bet you that my ass isn't fatter than your momma's or yours. And like I said, gas mileage depends on your driving style. Can you prove that tuning a car from a video game is not the same as REAL LIFE? It's the best realist game ever made, try it. A Pharmacists that works at my place, bought a freaking brand new yellow Corvette and got dusted by a supercharged Lexus IS300 and a supercharged GS400, which was pretty cool and funny since they were Pharm Tech. And the cars still get the same gas mileage. Corvette is an American classic car dude and I give it respect, better be glad it's still in production. I loved the Stingray:D.
Anyone who thinks tuning in a video game is the same as in real life is a pure moron.

So do us all a favor and STFU.

DougDangger

03-29-2007, 05:33 PM

That's 142lb ft. of torque, Sir.
You really ought to do some research before you shoot your ignorant mouth off.

MKII MR2 Turbo
Engine : 4-cylinder, turbocharged, DOHC, mid-engine RWD
Displacement : 1,998 cc
Valve : 16 valves, 4 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 5-spd manual
Fuel economy : city - 20 mpg highway - 27 mpg

Horsepower : 200 hp @ 5200 rpm
Torque : 200 lb-ft @ 3200 rpm
0-60 mph : 6.1 sec.

Curb Weight : 2888 lbs(T-top coupe)
Overall length : 164.2 in.
Wheelbase : 94.5 in.
Overall Width : 66.9 in.
Height : 48.6 in.

aznstylez

03-29-2007, 05:42 PM

You really ought to do some research before you shoot your ignorant mouth off.

MKII MR2 Turbo
Engine : 4-cylinder, turbocharged, DOHC, mid-engine RWD
Displacement : 1,998 cc
Valve : 16 valves, 4 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 5-spd manual
Fuel economy : city - 20 mpg highway - 27 mpg

Horsepower : 200 hp @ 5200 rpm
Torque : 200 lb-ft @ 3200 rpm
0-60 mph : 6.1 sec.

Curb Weight : 2888 lbs(T-top coupe)
Overall length : 164.2 in.
Wheelbase : 94.5 in.
Overall Width : 66.9 in.
Height : 48.6 in.

Here's my research dude.
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Spec_Glance.aspx?year=1995&make=Toyota&model=MR2&trimid=-1 (http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Spec_Glance.aspx?year=1995&make=Toyota&model=MR2&trimid=-1)
You're the ignorant person in here, fag.

DougDangger

03-29-2007, 05:50 PM

Here's my research dude.
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Spec_Glance.aspx?year=1995&make=Toyota&model=MR2&trimid=-1 (http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Spec_Glance.aspx?year=1995&make=Toyota&model=MR2&trimid=-1)
You're the ignorant person in here, fag.

That's obviously a typo you fool.

Engines & Power (more)
Coupe T-Bar coupe Turbo T-Bar coupe
2.2L 135 hp I4 2.2L 135 hp I4 2.0L 200 hp I4
142 ft-lbs 142 ft-lbs 142 ft-lbs

There is no way in hell would a turbocharged engine get higher hp and the torque number remains the same. You don't know jackshit about engine tuning because if you did, you would've caught that typo from the get go.

Gran Turismo canNOT replace REAL WORLD car experience and knowledge.

http://www.dragtimes.com/1990-Toyota-MR2-Dyno-Results-Graphs-1357.html

Get off your computer before your mother finds out you're communicating with grown ups, stupid ass.

aznstylez

03-29-2007, 05:51 PM

Anyone who thinks tuning in a video game is the same as in real life is a pure moron.

So do us all a favor and STFU.

I think you're the one that should STFU since you're not doing any good in here. Really, you should try Gran Turismo. You can call up it's producer too.:clap:

DougDangger

03-29-2007, 06:00 PM

http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/1991-to-1995-toyota-mr2-4.htm
http://www.import-heaven.net/specs_toyota_mr2_turbo.shtml
More numbers for the videogaming chump.

Dana_15

03-29-2007, 07:58 PM

fag.

Stop with the name calling. Doug you have been warned before.......

aznstylez

03-29-2007, 09:31 PM

That's obviously a typo you fool.

There is no way in hell would a turbocharged engine get higher hp and the torque number remains the same. You don't know jackshit about engine tuning because if you did, you would've caught that typo from the get go.

Gran Turismo canNOT replace REAL WORLD car experience and knowledge.

http://www.dragtimes.com/1990-Toyota-MR2-Dyno-Results-Graphs-1357.html

Get off your computer before your mother finds out you're communicating with grown ups, stupid ass.
Hahaha, there's three different horsepower rating for the 3S-gte you know that? 2 for the U.S. market and the other for the Japanese market. You grown up? You don't act like one, even Bart Simpson smarter than you. Yes, a cartoon person. A turbo engine can run lean or rich which can cause soooo many problems. Chump? I think you're the chump since your wife and momma drives faster than you.:clap: Get a real job dude.:fuckyou: Oh yeah, if you want to see tuned up cars, come to Texas and I'll show you the cars that I tuned, and it ain't Gran Turismo either. Dumbarse.:disappoin

Evil T-100

03-30-2007, 03:43 AM

Yeah a revised AE86 would be cool, I'd like to see something like that. A nice hatchback, like the 6th Gen Celica, two back seats that you don't really use unless you have to give someone a ride and you don't really like them. That was a fun little car.

91MR2quickNA

03-30-2007, 06:03 AM

Hahaha, there's three different horsepower rating for the 3S-gte you know that? 2 for the U.S. market and the other for the Japanese market.

There's one horsepower rating for the U.S. spec 3SGTE, and two other 3SGTE revisions with various power ratings which the U.S. market did not receive. The U.S. only received the 200hp/200lb-ft Gen2, while Japan and other markets received the Gen3 and Gen4. The latter was never offered in an MR2.

MRQtwinturbo

03-30-2007, 08:00 AM

if you guys can't have an intelligent debate without resorting to name calling...you'll be seeing a one week temp vacation....everyone has been warned.....

DougDangger

03-30-2007, 12:04 PM

Stop with the name calling. Doug you have been warned before.......
Hey Dana, if you read carefully, it was NOT me that used the word "fag".

C'mon, wake up, for God's sake you're a mod.

Dana_15

03-30-2007, 08:31 PM

Hey Dana, if you read carefully, it was NOT me that used the word "fag".

C'mon, wake up, for God's sake you're a mod.

I never said you said the word "fag" :hammer: , aznstylez did.......

All I said is I warned you before, remember? From your personal attacks in the Corolla section?????

Here's what you have said in this thread

you fool
stupid ass
So do us all a favor and STFU
LOL!!! Lay off the crack.
letting your ass get fatter and fatter

If that isn't bad enough your racist comments will NOT BE TOLERATED on here at all, cracking on how a another culture speaks, real mature. Your the one who needs to wake up :hammer: .

Tideland Prius

03-31-2007, 12:03 AM

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Wrong.

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WRX and the EVO would eat it alive.

300C SRT-8 and the CTS-V would rape it like Kobe did that chick.

Infinity M45 would take it apart.

That's not a performer.

They were making those sport compacts before they got into their financial shit hole. Try again junior.

Toyota taking over isn't a good thing. Anyone with a brain would know that a monopoly is poison to consumers.

It actually can. Take a look at Nissan. About a decade ago they were about to go under. They started to make better cars that actually performed (350Z, Sentra SE-R, Infinity G series...) and people started buying them. Nissan was able to get out of the rat hole they were in.

Mazda also had a similar experience, now they have a more attractive line up of cars than Toyota. Toyota has their reliability and quality (not so good lately) to help them push out cars. However, when you have competitors that are getting close to your quality and reliability, but their products are more attractive... you better watch out.

Your point is? Many car makers share parts and engineering. You'd be surprised how many GM share parts with Toyota.

You're no Halle Berry either.

With what, the 1.8L 126hp engine? :lol:

Tell me Miss Cleo the psychic, What is Toyota "taking it's time to do something right" with their performance compacts? You're pulling things out of your ass.[/color]

you compared the EVO/WRX to an IS250?!?
the GS350 to the M45 (V8)?

yeesh. talk about apples to oranges. All the Americans know how to do is most hp for the dollar.

That's not necessarily a bad thing esp. for someone like you who seems solely interested in hp.

Aside from the Corvette and the CTS-V, I'd like to see those American cars do corners. You know.. stuff you go AROUND.

84Cressida

03-31-2007, 02:37 AM

The FJ is pretty cool. However, if I'm going off road, I'll save myself the $5,000 and get the undisputed best off roader of all time:
http://www.muddy4x4.com/jptj4.JPG
:lol: Don't make me laugh...Jeeps are so overrated it's not even funny.

DougDangger

03-31-2007, 02:53 AM

you compared the EVO/WRX to an IS250?!?
the GS350 to the M45 (V8)?

yeesh. talk about apples to oranges. All the Americans know how to do is most hp for the dollar.

That's not necessarily a bad thing esp. for someone like you who seems solely interested in hp.

Aside from the Corvette and the CTS-V, I'd like to see those American cars do corners. You know.. stuff you go AROUND.
The Viper corners at well over 1g.

I bet your Prius couldn't outcorner a 60 year old hooker on crack.

DougDangger

03-31-2007, 02:54 AM

:lol: Don't make me laugh...Jeeps are so overrated it's not even funny.
You obviously don't know jack shit about off roading.

Christian87N

03-31-2007, 03:21 AM

Isn't this supposed to be the forum where we talk about the rumors of an upcoming AE86? Since when does name calling and comparisons with other cars have anything to do with the 86?

as for the stupid comments about IF lexus pops out the F series, go to clublexus.com and check out their section about it. Look for the link with the IS-F video and shut up. Better yet, let me give it to you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVjD1C1PEqQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAURvwIbr0g&mode=related&search=

you want to talk about power, forget the cars, talk about the engines that power them. You want apples to apples, then compare the Corvette engine in the C6 to the engine in the IS-F. 400 horsepower each, sure, but look at how power is produced. Vette engine producing 400 hp out of a 6liter compared to an IS-F engine producing 400hp out of a 5 liter. You want to keep talking mess?

Razo-E

03-31-2007, 03:47 AM

Im not reading this entire thread, but let me state a few things..

1st of all, the bitching needs to end, or you guys need better come-backs, nothing dumber than two nerds arguing...

2nd, Toyota doesn't NEED to do shit, except what they've been doing since they started because obviously it's working...

3rd, Horsepower doesn't mean shit if the car sucks, or is not sporty.

4th, The AE86 GTS was never a sports car, it was a better version of the Corolla, just like the XRS, except the XRS is front-wheel drive, and offers no torque.

5th, Toyota has the money and the knowledge, and the ability to blow everyone else out the water, but THEY DON'T, why? Who the fuck knows, but it sure as hell isnt going to get the nut-swingers a new car built...

as for the 3s-gte, there were 2 hp ratings..

180~190 for the ST165 Celica All-Trac, and 200 or so for the MR2 turbo/ST185 All-Trac..

Im also tired of people bitching about 'let's see it take a corner'

Let's see a Japanese car at the drag strip. Saying a car doesn't need to accelerate fast because it can take a corner better is like saying it doesnt matter if your dick's tiny, cause you have a huge cum shot..

please, Corvette Z06' and Viper Coupes were made for the tracks, end of discussion..

Just because you drive a car made by a Japanese company doesn't mean you've been chosen as the ambassador to Japan, and need to defend it to the death...

aznstylez

03-31-2007, 12:27 PM

I never said you said the word "fag" :hammer: , aznstylez did.......

All I said is I warned you before, remember? From your personal attacks in the Corolla section?????

Here's what you have said in this thread

you fool
stupid ass
So do us all a favor and STFU
LOL!!! Lay off the crack.
letting your ass get fatter and fatter

If that isn't bad enough your racist comments will NOT BE TOLERATED on here at all, cracking on how a another culture speaks, real mature. Your the one who needs to wake up :hammer: .

Hahaha, sorry moderator dana_15

aznstylez

03-31-2007, 12:28 PM

Gekko

03-31-2007, 01:28 PM

Yeah, I fully agree with wath Razo-E says.

I do not drive a Toyota because they (by the opinion of some people) make the best cars. I mean. If the Italians could make cars that didn't break down after 150k, i would drive a Italian car. If the germans make a car that is normal priced and have better MPG compared with the competition I would drive a german car.

I bought a Toyota because people say they don't break down as often as other cars.

Just filling in the answer for those guys who are going to say: why didn't you choose another Japanes brand. The simple answer is that Toyota (try to) enforce there quality on there non-Japanese plants. Cars that are build in britain of turkey should have the same quality as those build in Japan. As for other manufactures, cars build in other countries (as example Nissans build in britain) had the reputation of beeing of less qualitity. Never seen figures on that, but hey... ...when do you guys not go on tips from friends and family. My whole family is driving Toyota (except the imported family members like my brother in law.. ..Ford fanatic..) and never had a bad experience with them.

ECHOKnight2000

03-31-2007, 01:34 PM

as for the stupid comments about IF lexus pops out the F series, go to clublexus.com and check out their section about it. Look for the link with the IS-F video and shut up. Better yet, let me give it to you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVjD1C1PEqQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAURvwIbr0g&mode=related&search=

you want to talk about power, forget the cars, talk about the engines that power them. You want apples to apples, then compare the Corvette engine in the C6 to the engine in the IS-F. 400 horsepower each, sure, but look at how power is produced. Vette engine producing 400 hp out of a 6liter compared to an IS-F engine producing 400hp out of a 5 liter. You want to keep talking mess?

That IS-F is damn sexy! I'm soooooo happy Lexus is bringing out a true sports car or performance car, can't wait for the reviews. I had to take a cold shower after that into video:lol: :lol: :eek:

Razo-E

04-01-2007, 01:05 AM

yeah, Toyota's definitely nice, my Supra's nearly at 241,000 miles, and I still haul ass daily, and it keeps coming back for more..

But i know my car is my car, and anything else put out by them is it's own vehicle..

Bragging about car companies is like bragging about your friend's hot girlfriend, yeah nice for him, but it doesn't benefit you in anyway...

DougDangger

04-01-2007, 02:32 AM

Isn't this supposed to be the forum where we talk about the rumors of an upcoming AE86? Since when does name calling and comparisons with other cars have anything to do with the 86?

as for the stupid comments about IF lexus pops out the F series, go to clublexus.com and check out their section about it. Look for the link with the IS-F video and shut up. Better yet, let me give it to you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVjD1C1PEqQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAURvwIbr0g&mode=related&search=

Ooooh, "sounds" intimidating. Wake me up when it actually runs.

you want to talk about power, forget the cars, talk about the engines that power them. You want apples to apples, then compare the Corvette engine in the C6 to the engine in the IS-F. 400 horsepower each, sure, but look at how power is produced. Vette engine producing 400 hp out of a 6liter compared to an IS-F engine producing 400hp out of a 5 liter. You want to keep talking mess?

The C6 produces 400hp and 400ft-lbs of torque. You toyota is 50ft-lbs less. Oh, by the way, you can get a C6 for $44,000 and your Lexus will run you in the high $50K. Awww... how sad. You mean the CHEAPER 3 year old CTS-V will still eat your late comer Lexus alive? :lol:

DougDangger

04-01-2007, 02:43 AM

2nd, Toyota doesn't NEED to do shit, except what they've been doing since they started because obviously it's working...
You mean putting people to sleep? You got that right.

3rd, Horsepower doesn't mean shit if the car sucks, or is not sporty.
Your 108hp Yaris will certainly outlast an Enzo, it doesn't mean it'll raise adrenaline levels. :lol:

4th, The AE86 GTS was never a sports car, it was a better version of the Corolla, just like the XRS, except the XRS is front-wheel drive, and offers no torque.
The Corolla XRS is a pathetic attempt for Toyota to compete with the other "real" sports sedans. $20,000 for a 165hp Corolla? :lol:
Atleast the 1986 Corolla 3dr offered RWD and "good" performance in its time. The XRS Corolla didn't run any quicker than some soccer mom suv or minivans. Not to mention there are many other cars that perform better. The 86 Corolla also was a great deal in its time, not the XRS Corolla. Toyota just didn't try hard enough.

5th, Toyota has the money and the knowledge, and the ability to blow everyone else out the water, but THEY DON'T, why? Who the fuck knows, but it sure as hell isnt going to get the nut-swingers a new car built...
Because they are fucking idiots. Toyota has no balls just like majority of their fanboys.

as for the 3s-gte, there were 2 hp ratings..

180~190 for the ST165 Celica All-Trac, and 200 or so for the MR2 turbo/ST185 All-Trac..

Thank you captain obvious, so what was your point?

Im also tired of people bitching about 'let's see it take a corner'

Let's see a Japanese car at the drag strip. Saying a car doesn't need to accelerate fast because it can take a corner better is like saying it doesnt matter if your dick's tiny, cause you have a huge cum shot..

"I may have a small penis, but I shoot out a gallon" That's quite sad.:lol: :lol: :lol:

please, Corvette Z06' and Viper Coupes were made for the tracks, end of discussion..
They also eat ANYTHING up to 3X their price tag on or off the track.

Just because you drive a car made by a Japanese company doesn't mean you've been chosen as the ambassador to Japan, and need to defend it to the death...

Real car enthusiasts will acknowledge the strengths and weakness of cars, fanboys remain blind.

Razo-E

04-01-2007, 02:48 AM

exactly..

I'd take a 68 Camaro over a MKIV Supra any day of the week...

I love American cars as much, if not more than imports..

the only difference is I personally own an import at the moment..

I dont buy into that 'Us vs Them" shit, if I love the car, then I love the car, it doesn't matter where it originates from...

Christian87N

04-01-2007, 03:45 AM

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Real car enthusiasts will acknowledge the strengths and weakness of cars, fanboys remain blind.

You speak the truth there when you say that. And just like Razo, at the present time i own an import which is my RX300 AWD which to this day has not ever let me down. BUT i am also considering one of two right now which is either a last gen z06 that a friend is selling or an 04/05 Lexus IS300. Whichever one i get will be decided on not who it originates from, but how it fits me right now, and to tell the truth, they are both equal right now.

Wraith

04-01-2007, 05:19 AM

lol... I like that saying Toyota has gone Buick...
kinda sad but its true

majortom1981

04-01-2007, 10:35 AM

in relation to the is-f

how much of the corvettes hp gets to its wheels?

I thought the engines hp ment nothing if only say 75 percent of that hp got to the wheels.

Remember the corvette is mainly a sports car .The lexus will be a luxury car with that performance. In the lexus you will get slightly less performance then a corvette but with more features then the corvette.

ALSO for me this has one thing going over a corvette, its a four door meaning i can sit 4 (maybe 5) in the car . -

Bugmenot

04-01-2007, 03:20 PM

Ooooh, "sounds" intimidating. Wake me up when it actually runs.

The C6 produces 400hp and 400ft-lbs of torque. You toyota is 50ft-lbs less. Oh, by the way, you can get a C6 for $44,000 and your Lexus will run you in the high $50K. Awww... how sad. You mean the CHEAPER 3 year old CTS-V will still eat your late comer Lexus alive? :lol:

Dude, it's not always about going in a straight line. It also has to do turns too.:lol: In fact I think the Corvette is over priced. Even with its pushrod old tech engine, cheap interior, leaf springs, Gm should be able to assemble the car very cheaply and yet they charge 44 grand.:disappoin If Lexus had to build a 6L engine they can probably get it to around 500HP and maybe 430lb-ft.

I hope you get your CTS-V and run into this situation:
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/cts-v/0/2421093d-d063-4ea5-89b3-98a500aa04d9.htm

with high depreciation rate and money down the drain.:rolleyes:

Also, about the Corvette 6L getting that 18/28 fuel consumption? They cheated by using a system called CAGS (Computer Aided Gear Selection) where the transmission purposely upshifts from 1st directly to 4th without getting the gears in between. Wow, I never thought a car company would do something this low to deceive someone like DougDangger.:disappoin I feel sad for you, pal.

84Cressida

04-01-2007, 04:33 PM

You obviously don't know jack shit about off roading.
You obviously don't know jack shit about life. Go on youtube and look up "trail rated jeep". You'll see a good "off roader" literally fall apart right before your eyes.

Razo-E

04-01-2007, 06:56 PM

Also, about the Corvette 6L getting that 18/28 fuel consumption? They cheated by using a system called CAGS (Computer Aided Gear Selection) where the transmission purposely upshifts from 1st directly to 4th without getting the gears in between. Wow, I never thought a car company would do something this low to deceive someone like DougDangger.:disappoin I feel sad for you, pal.

and OBVIOUSLY it works, now doesn't it? You don't have to peel the fuck out at every damn stop-light. What's so different between this system and Toyota using hybrid technology? They're using a battery, to power the car, to get better gas mileage. Oh my goodness, i never thought a car company would do something that low, to get better gas mileage. Why go hybrid when diesels get the same if not better gas mileage? Your argument holds no water other than to just disagree with DougDangger....

Bugmenot

04-01-2007, 08:48 PM

and OBVIOUSLY it works, now doesn't it? You don't have to peel the fuck out at every damn stop-light. What's so different between this system and Toyota using hybrid technology? They're using a battery, to power the car, to get better gas mileage. Oh my goodness, i never thought a car company would do something that low, to get better gas mileage. Why go hybrid when diesels get the same if not better gas mileage? Your argument holds no water other than to just disagree with DougDangger....

I'm just trying to proof a point that its nothing special, some of these guys are making it sound like the Corvette actually get that kind of mpg in real world driving. It's all in the gear ratio in the transmission. Do you think that people who can buy a Corvette likes to drive at 19mph all the time? They buy it to go fast and I'm sure they don't like it when the transmission upshifts two gears for them. That is why you see alot of owners try to disable the thing. If the IS-F or any high displacement sports cars were to do the same thing we will all be getting 35mpg sports cars.

For this I stand by my argument.

Bugmenot

04-01-2007, 09:26 PM

Razo-E, your point about Toyota's hybrid. I agree, Lexus shouldn't of advertised it's hybrid technology as a fuel saver in its models but instead promote it as a performance enhancement feature because it does improve on performance without sacrificing too much on fuel economy. Though, Hybrids can improve on fuel economy with great examples like the Prius and Camry because they use smaller displacement efficient engines, keeping weight down and rely more on the generators.

Razo-E

04-02-2007, 02:51 AM

Do you think that people who can buy a Corvette likes to drive at 19mph all the time? They buy it to go fast and I'm sure they don't like it when the transmission upshifts two gears for them. That is why you see alot of owners try to disable the thing.

YES, they do drive like Grandma's...

my neighbor has an 04 Z06, and he babies the damn thing, never peeling out, or driving crazy, and he rarely fills up...

DougDangger

04-02-2007, 01:00 PM

Dude, it's not always about going in a straight line. It also has to do turns too.:lol:
C6 Vette:

Top speed : 186 mph
0-60 mph : 4.2 sec.
0-¼ mile : 12.7 sec @ 113.0 mph
60-0 braking distance : 110 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.97 g

$44,000

I think 0.97g on the skid pad is quite well.

In fact I think the Corvette is over priced.
What car Toyota makes that gets those performance numbers for the same price?
http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/LexusSC4302006.jpg <---:lol:
Not only is it more expensive, it'll get completely raped by the C6. And that shit can't turn corners. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Even with its pushrod old tech engine, cheap interior, leaf springs, Gm should be able to assemble the car very cheaply and yet they charge 44 grand.
That's the beauty of it. The Vette with it's "ancient" technology kills many cars out there with "advanced" technologies. These cars can easily kill europes "super cars". All by using "ancient" technologies. That's like you being in an F18 and being shot down by a Spitfire... :lol:

:disappoin If Lexus had to build a 6L engine they can probably get it to around 500HP and maybe 430lb-ft.
Quit talking probablies. One thing is for sure, Lexus COULD do it, but the fact is they'll do it for ALOT more.

I hope you get your CTS-V and run into this situation:
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/cts-v/0/2421093d-d063-4ea5-89b3-98a500aa04d9.htm

with high depreciation rate and money down the drain.:rolleyes:

Cars that are cheaper TO BEGIN WITH, normally have higher depreciation value.
Let me know when ANY TOYOTA will be worth over 10X its MSRP in human history.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Chevelle-Chevelle-1970-Chevy-Chevelle-LS6-Convertible-454_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6164QQitemZ17009564 7276QQrdZ1
:smokin:

Also, about the Corvette 6L getting that 18/28 fuel consumption? They cheated by using a system called CAGS (Computer Aided Gear Selection) where the transmission purposely upshifts from 1st directly to 4th without getting the gears in between.
Even if there were elves in the engine bay pedalling the car, the car STILL gets great gas mileage. Your pathetic attempt to dismiss one of the great characteristics of the Vette is futile.

Wow, I never thought a car company would do something this low to deceive someone like DougDangger.:disappoin I feel sad for you, pal.

What's sad is someone paying a large amount of money for a car that gets its ass whooped by a car costing alot less and gets better gas mileage and to top it off, the car uses "ancient" technology.
I feel sad for YOU. :lol:

aznstylez

04-02-2007, 01:06 PM

C6 Vette:

Top speed : 186 mph
0-60 mph : 4.2 sec.
0-¼ mile : 12.7 sec @ 113.0 mph
60-0 braking distance : 110 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.97 g

$44,000

I think 0.97g on the skid pad is quite well.

What car Toyota makes that gets those performance numbers for the same price?
http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/LexusSC4302006.jpg <---:lol:
Not only is it more expensive, it'll get completely raped by the C6. And that shit can't turn corners. :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's the beauty of it. The Vette with it's "ancient" technology kills many cars out there with "advanced" technologies. These cars can easily kill europes "super cars". All by using "ancient" technologies. That's like you being in an F18 and being shot down by a Spitfire... :lol:

Quit talking probablies. One thing is for sure, Lexus COULD do it, but the fact is they'll do it for ALOT more.

Cars that are cheaper TO BEGIN WITH, normally have higher depreciation value.
Let me know when ANY TOYOTA will be worth over 10X its MSRP in human history.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Chevelle-Chevelle-1970-Chevy-Chevelle-LS6-Convertible-454_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6164QQitemZ17009564 7276QQrdZ1
:smokin:

Even if there were elves in the engine bay pedalling the car, the car STILL gets great gas mileage. Your pathetic attempt to dismiss one of the great characteristics of the Vette is futile.

What's sad is someone paying a large amount of money for a car that gets its ass whooped by a car costing alot less and gets better gas mileage and to top it off, the car uses "ancient" technology.
I feel sad for YOU. :lol:

Say, watch this video...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hmy98WtrMXk

DougDangger

04-02-2007, 01:43 PM

Say, watch this video...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hmy98WtrMXk (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hmy98WtrMXk)
Say, how about staying on topic and countering my points?

People who are losing an argument tries to change the topic.

EchoHoLiK

04-02-2007, 05:08 PM

That's the beauty of it. The Vette with it's "ancient" technology kills many cars out there with "advanced" technologies. These cars can easily kill europes "super cars". All by using "ancient" technologies. That's like you being in an F18 and being shot down by a Spitfire... :lol:
Can you specify which supercars?

majortom1981

04-02-2007, 06:47 PM

DougDangger

04-02-2007, 06:49 PM

Can you specify which supercars?
The Z06 out performed the following cars in Top Gear's track:
Lamborghini Murcielago
Pagani Zonda
Koenigsegg
Mitsubishi Evo FQ 400
Lamborghini Gallardo
BMW M5

The $44,000 Vette out performed these:
Porsche 911 GT3
Spyker C8
Porsche 911 turbo
Honda NSX Type-R

DougDangger

04-02-2007, 06:54 PM

dougdangeer you like compairing apples 2 oranges don't you?

You do realsie that the lexus is-f is a 4 door sedan and that the corvette is a 2 door coupe right?

I cant fit all my friends in a corvette.

Also the lexus would be a lot cheaper on insurance then the corvette would .
Since we're talking about "performance", it's a universal rule that more weight = LESS performance. How many times have you seen a rally race where there are 5 people in the car? How many fat drivers do you see racing in formula 1?

ECHOKnight2000

04-02-2007, 07:23 PM

DougDangger

04-02-2007, 07:33 PM

^^^Why do you have to go on here and just be an Ass. Sure you have some good points but seriously, if you hate Toyota so much go to the GM boards. The SC430 is more of a cruiser than a bruiser, also its not meant for pure performance, its just a classy hard-top convertable with a very smooth powertrain, sexy curves (although dated I admit) and the Lexus reliability. The Corvette is a whole other ball game. I like the Corvette and yes it puts some nice numbers but you have to relize even cars with similar power are aimed at a different market and are different cars altogether.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and I'm not saying you have to like all Toyota's but you seem consistant on ripping on Toyota on a Toyota enthusists board if you can see how that can be or be a problem try to see that connection.:thumbup:

It's called putting people in their place.

I hate it when ignorant fanboys constantly bash other car makers, primarily in America and put the car maker whos nuts they have on their chin on a pedestal. They start talking about how a car maker is using "ancient" technology, yet those "ancient" technologies are putting "adanced" technologies TO SHAME for alot less money.

That's all ;)

Dana_15

04-02-2007, 07:43 PM

It's called putting people in their place.

:rolleyes:

You should read the forum rules

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t1779.html

I'll highlight some sections for you

7. Use the appropriate language.

10. Ideas and opinions may be challenged, but NO personal attacks.

12. Watch your action, or you will be given a warning, failed to obey will result of a temporarily ban (1-2 weeks).

15. Everyone (including Guests, Registered Users, Moderators & Official Vendors) must obey the above rules unless mentioned otherwise

You have been warned before, posting here is a privledge, not a right......

ECHOKnight2000

04-02-2007, 08:01 PM

It's called putting people in their place.

I hate it when ignorant fanboys constantly bash other car makers, primarily in America and put the car maker whos nuts they have on their chin on a pedestal. They start talking about how a car maker is using "ancient" technology, yet those "ancient" technologies are putting "adanced" technologies TO SHAME for alot less money.

That's all ;)

Not to start a flame war but from reading that my logic tells me you're one of them (fanboy). Doesn't a fanboy go around saying I'm right you're wrong and doesn't at least keep an open mind and be reasonable? It seems you just discribed yourself, someone who constantly bashes other carmakers (Toyota in this sense). If you like the domestics, fine, I'm all for that, but I don't think you would like it if I just put my ignorant self on the GM board and start bashing GM cars. I agree with you in that I don't care for fanboys, yes I'm a fan of Toyota but there is a line where you draw in what is considered a "fanboy" and that's relative to what you consider it. I admit I was more of a rabid fanboy since I started to be into cars about 6 years about (I know not that long) but lately I'm more open to other car makers and cars, so in turn I'm a autombile fanboy:lol: :lol: :thumbup: I think fanboys are fine, and every carmaker has one or most as long as they don't go around bashing other cars or pushing their agenda on other people, but intellectuall conversation, or debate. You have some good points and help the discussion on this board, but don't push you're luck as you already seem to do, even if I might not agree with you at times, it wouldn't be good if you got banned.:thumbup:

UfoZ

04-02-2007, 08:08 PM

Razo-E

04-02-2007, 08:20 PM

I completely agree with Doug, there are way too many fan boys praising every time the president of Toyota farts or slaps a hooker, and trash everything else...

Bugmenot

04-02-2007, 08:51 PM

C6 Vette:

[quote]
What car Toyota makes that gets those performance numbers for the same price?
http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/LexusSC4302006.jpg <---:lol:
Not only is it more expensive, it'll get completely raped by the C6. And that shit can't turn corners. :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's the beauty of it. The Vette with it's "ancient" technology kills many cars out there with "advanced" technologies. These cars can easily kill europes "super cars". All by using "ancient" technologies. That's like you being in an F18 and being shot down by a Spitfire...

But yet the SC430 is a "luxury car" with a million times better interior and refinement not to mention a single recall in all the years it's been in the market. Why do you always compare something which is not even in the same catagory? Lexus is a luxury car brand, of course its going to be more expensive than a run-of-the-mill brand like Chevy. Like any other Lexus, it's expensive because they have quality, refinement, technology and soon to be speed with its Fu series. Before the IS-fu cums out; we'll see who is better over all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CuXSBeOq9k

How about compare something like the Subaru STI with its 33 grand price tag and do corners in a dime. A million times better value then your gorvette.:lol::lol::lol:

http://www.dpccars.com/car-movies/09-16-06page-Subaru-WRX-Sti-Corvette-C6.htm

Quit talking probablies. One thing is for sure, Lexus COULD do it, but the fact is they'll do it for ALOT more.
Yes, they will do it for alot more but you also get more in return. And again we are talking about a luxury car company so the interior will be a million times better and no cutting corners, the chassis/engine/suspension/ will be advanced, quality and reliablility will be second to none. And again we must compare apples to apples here, it has to be a performance car like the IS-Fu and LF-A not a luxury car like the LS or ES or LX or RX.:rolleyes:

Cars that are cheaper TO BEGIN WITH, normally have higher depreciation value.
Let me know when ANY TOYOTA will be worth over 10X its MSRP in human history.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Chevelle-Chevelle-1970-Chevy-Chevelle-LS6-Convertible-454_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6164QQitemZ17009564 7276QQrdZ1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Chevelle-Chevelle-1970-Chevy-Chevelle-LS6-Convertible-454_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6164QQitemZ17009564 7276QQrdZ1)
:smokin:

Let me know when your 2006 C6 will be worth 10X its asking price in the future.:rolleyes: Those were American muscle glory days. We are talking about GM unpleasent days.

Even if there were elves in the engine bay pedalling the car, the car STILL gets great gas mileage. Your pathetic attempt to dismiss one of the great characteristics of the Vette is futile.

I'm trying to find who's been getting close to those kind of real world mileage, but can't find any. So, your point doesn't stand unless you know someone.
Also, the IS-F gets the ULEV II emissions rating; does the Corvette achieve that? Maybe I should say Lexus is the only maker to have a 5L engine with the ULEV II rating.:lol:

What's sad is someone paying a large amount of money for a car that gets its ass whooped by a car costing alot less and gets better gas mileage and to top it off, the car uses "ancient" technology.
I feel sad for YOU. :lol:
And again what's sad is someone who just doesn't understand the difference of a luxury (e.g SC430) and a performance car.

I will pray for you.:lol:

aznstylez

04-02-2007, 09:39 PM

Say, how about staying on topic and countering my points?

People who are losing an argument tries to change the topic.

ahum, so did you watch the video. It is a video of my friend's Lexus IS300, one that I helped tuned up. And I think it is on topic, you fanboy.:lol: Don't try to change the subject.

Tideland Prius

04-03-2007, 01:45 AM

Ill help get this thread back on topic... The odds are very small that Toyota would ever revive the AE86. I know this because I spent 4 days at the track with the head of Toyota Motorsports and the head of Toyota Marketing while I was shooting a pilot for the Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach celebrity race.

They probably should have made the Scion tC into a rear wheel drive car, and that would have been all they needed. It's good looking, reasonably priced, and with a RWD drivetrain, would sell like hotcakes (as if they arent already).

Besides, let's be honest. Let's say they did produce a new AE86 at say, around $18,000. That would be exactly $17,910 out of most AE86 owners' price range. :lol:
lol.

I'll help you keep it on track.

Don't forget the "new" AE86 will be heavier. You need crumple zones, airbags (and their wiring and computer chips), ABS, bigger wheels, stronger side door beams, power windows, door locks, mirrors, A/C. Stuff that add weight.

I wonder how many they'll sell if they stripped it out like the Integra Type-R.

Razo-E

04-03-2007, 01:49 AM

EchoHoLiK

04-03-2007, 03:31 AM

The Z06 out performed the following cars in Top Gear's track:
Lamborghini Murcielago
Pagani Zonda
Koenigsegg
Mitsubishi Evo FQ 400
Lamborghini Gallardo
BMW M5

The $44,000 Vette out performed these:
Porsche 911 GT3
Spyker C8
Porsche 911 turbo
Honda NSX Type-R
^^^ The ones in bold are considered true supercars. The rest are not. Not knocking the Vette, but the only good thing about Top Gear's lap time is the fact that all the cars are driven by the same guy (Stig). Some of those lap times are also in the wet. Just wanna point those out.

EchoHoLiK

04-03-2007, 03:36 AM

Ill help get this thread back on topic... The odds are very small that Toyota would ever revive the AE86. I know this because I spent 4 days at the track with the head of Toyota Motorsports and the head of Toyota Marketing while I was shooting a pilot for the Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach celebrity race.

They probably should have made the Scion tC into a rear wheel drive car, and that would have been all they needed. It's good looking, reasonably priced, and with a RWD drivetrain, would sell like hotcakes (as if they arent already).
Yeah I hear ya, but if Toyota made the tC RWD to begin with, it just wouldn't be as cheap price-wise as it is now.

Besides, let's be honest. Let's say they did produce a new AE86 at say, around $18,000. That would be exactly $17,910 out of most AE86 owners' price range. :lol:
Sad but true :lol:

EchoHoLiK

04-03-2007, 03:44 AM

I completely agree with Doug, there are way too many fan boys praising every time the president of Toyota farts or slaps a hooker, and trash everything else...

That's not true, Razo, of your generalization. I'll admit I'm a Toyota fan (you can call fanboy or whatever but I could care less) but I'm also a fan of many other makes of cars, domestic cars certainly included. I don't put Toyota on a pedestal because I have Porsche for that :D

So you're saying it's okay (and it's right) for one fanboy of another brand to come here to attack the Toyota fanboys on a Toyota Enthusiasts forum? I see your point Razo, and rightly so in some aspects, but your encouragement certainly isn't helping, and it isn't truly justified either.

Just wanna say you're right, but you're also not right.

Razo-E

04-03-2007, 03:50 AM

that's a valid point, but I'm only going by what he's posting, and I agree so far. Many people are degrading anything non-Toyota, and posting numbers, then when Doug posts equal numbers (Say hp), people are retaliating with "its not the same type of car" and shit like that. Yes, Doug is a fan boy, but I'm agreeing what what he's posting, not his fan-boyism (which we're all a little guilty of, I must admit:D )

EchoHoLiK

04-03-2007, 03:53 AM

^----not very many..

people will bitch if it's fully loaded, people will bitch if it's completely stripped (look at the Elise, it has A/C and a radio), you cant satisfy everyone, all the time. Unfortunately, those that like the AE86 GTS will not like the new one, and those that would be interested, will be put off by the fact that it's stripped..

The only RWD platform that could even be considered is a shortened IS350, and that'll drive costs up the ass, once again, shutting out a nice portion of potential buyers..

it's a no-win situation for Toyota...

Depends on how much you need to shorten it, because a particular platform is only flexible enough to allow lengthening or shortening (of the wheelbase for example) by only a few inches. If it's too much, you might as well start fresh on a new piece of paper and design the chassis properly from the ground up, which is what I think Toyota should do if a reborn AE86-type car is produced.

I doubt such a car will sell well, but Toyota NEEDS to produce and sell such a car to help the corporate image. If Toyota really does this, it certainly wouldn't be for profit, but then again it is currently in a very comfortable position to do so.

EchoHoLiK

04-03-2007, 03:54 AM

UfoZ

04-03-2007, 04:15 AM

To all you guys arguing about Corvettes and SC430s:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/mr2bad/b23.jpg

You guys are lucky Im not a mod, or I would ban your asses. :slap:

EchoHoLiK

04-03-2007, 04:28 AM

You guys are lucky Im not a mod, or I would ban your asses. :slap:
Why don't you? :giggle:

DougDangger

04-03-2007, 12:42 PM

[quote=DougDangger]C6 Vette:
But yet the SC430 is a "luxury car" with a million times better interior and refinement not to mention a single recall in all the years it's been in the market.
To have a recall, the manufacturer first has to ADMIT the problem. Toyota doesn't seem to to that often. Many owners have experienced "sludge" problems with their Sienna/Camry V6 engines, guess what, Toyota looks the other way.

Why do you always compare something which is not even in the same catagory? Lexus is a luxury car brand, of course its going to be more expensive than a run-of-the-mill brand like Chevy. Like any other Lexus, it's expensive because they have quality, refinement, technology and soon to be speed with its Fu series. Before the IS-fu cums out; we'll see who is better over all.
Maybe because some people in here think Lexus actually "performs". You should try to read sometimes. I never said Toyota didn't know how to make performance. What I said is they WON'T, or they could at an EXPENSIVE price. By the time your IS-F comes out, it'll sell in the high $50K or even low $60K when other car makers have already made something better HALF A DECADE ago.

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CuXSBeOq9k)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CuXSBeOq9k

How about compare something like the Subaru STI with its 33 grand price tag and do corners in a dime. A million times better value then your gorvette.:lol::lol::lol:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CuXSBeOq9k)
The only place where the STI would have an advantage over the Vette is in the snow or mud because the Vette eats it alive in race tracks, yes, even on wet ones.

http://www.dpccars.com/car-movies/09-16-06page-Subaru-WRX-Sti-Corvette-C6.htm

Yes, they will do it for alot more but you also get more in return. And again we are talking about a luxury car company so the interior will be a million times better and no cutting corners, the chassis/engine/suspension/ will be advanced, quality and reliablility will be second to none.
Isn't it funny how the Vette uses "ancient" technologies and puts Ferarris and Lamborghinis to shame? :lol: :lol: :cool:

And again we must compare apples to apples here, it has to be a performance car like the IS-Fu and LF-A not a luxury car like the LS or ES or LX or RX.:rolleyes:
Performance is a foreign language to Toyota.

Let me know when your 2006 C6 will be worth 10X its asking price in the future.:rolleyes: Those were American muscle glory days. We are talking about GM unpleasent days.

Let me know when ANY Lexus will be worth a penny over MSRP because there are several Vettes already worth more than they started.

I'm trying to find who's been getting close to those kind of real world mileage, but can't find any. So, your point doesn't stand unless you know someone.
Also, the IS-F gets the ULEV II emissions rating; does the Corvette achieve that? Maybe I should say Lexus is the only maker to have a 5L engine with the ULEV II rating.:lol:

"You may have beaten me, but my car is a ULEVII" Lexus driver screams at a Vette who raped him. :lol: :lol: :lol:

And again what's sad is someone who just doesn't understand the difference of a luxury (e.g SC430) and a performance car.
This car is marketted DIRECTLY to compete with your SC430. http://www.autospies.com/images/users/PlanoA4/07cadillacxlrv.jpgOnly it'll make your Lexus its bitch :lol:

I will pray for you.:lol:

Are you a priest who will molest me? No thanks.

Your Uncle Moe

04-03-2007, 01:35 PM

DougDangger

04-03-2007, 02:09 PM

I cant believe that someone finally made a video about how bad the quality on the New vettes are! When GM had their test drive show last summer I got to drive both the vette and the CTV. Both nice cars. But the quality was garbage. When I got into both of them, I noticed the seats already started to wear out and the interior was falling apart. My 12 yr old car has better interior than a Vette! One of the cars broke down right there at the show and had to be removed.
Really? Something like that happened to me. I was at a yard and I wanted to test drive an IS350 and as soon as I turned the key, the engine was violently shaking and the entire car was rattling. When I gave it some gas, a loud backfire shot. I put the car in gear and stepped on the gas and the tranny was slipping more than Kobe Bryant's career. When the car started to move, the engine died and I tried to open the door but wouldn't. I had to get out Dukes of Hazzard style. Popped the hood, sludge hit me on my face and the motor was sitting on the floor. I looked at the window sticker and started to laugh. I didn't expect to see such garbage at the junkyard, but then I noticed the sign on top of the building, it said, Longo Lexus, ran out of there so fast I think I outran an IS-F@9 prototype.