UPDATE 1-Toyota adds $1,000 incentives to Tundra in U.S.

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TOKYO, March 29 (Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp. (7203.T: Quote (http://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/overview.asp?symbol=7203.T&WTmodLoc=HybArt-C1-ArticlePage1), NEWS (http://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/companyNews.asp?symbol=7203.T&WTmodLoc=HybArt-C1-ArticlePage1) , Research (http://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/analystResearch.asp?symbol=7203.T&WTmodLoc=HybArt-C1-ArticlePage1)) is offering another $1,000 in sales incentives on its new Tundra full-sized pickup truck in the United States, as it faces pricing pressure from domestic rivals.
The new incentive can only be applied to help a customer with a vehicle trade-in allowance, Japan's top automaker said.
Toyota already offers incentives of up to $2,000 cash back on the Tundra, depending on the model and region, trade publication Automotive News reported.

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TOKYO, March 29 (Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp. (7203.T: Quote (http://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/overview.asp?symbol=7203.T&WTmodLoc=HybArt-C1-ArticlePage1), NEWS (http://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/companyNews.asp?symbol=7203.T&WTmodLoc=HybArt-C1-ArticlePage1) , Research (http://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/analystResearch.asp?symbol=7203.T&WTmodLoc=HybArt-C1-ArticlePage1)) is offering another $1,000 in sales incentives on its new Tundra full-sized pickup truck in the United States, as it faces pricing pressure from domestic rivals.
The new incentive can only be applied to help a customer with a vehicle trade-in allowance, Japan's top automaker said.
Toyota already offers incentives of up to $2,000 cash back on the Tundra, depending on the model and region, trade publication Automotive News reported.

Good news. Will only help sales.

Fan

I wonder if it's going to end up priced just like the Domestics. I remember reading a post or an article a while back saying that Toyota would start a price war with these trucks. I didn't really think they would end up being much diffrent than before, but with them coming out with more incentives I can beleive it and see the Tundra being advertised for $15 or $16K (base trucks) like others.

I remember my dad going and looking at a T-100 and the price being like 12K for a base model at the time. So maybe we will see Bargins on the tundra soon too!

I wonder if it's going to end up priced just like the Domestics. I remember reading a post or an article a while back saying that Toyota would start a price war with these trucks. I didn't really think they would end up being much diffrent than before, but with them coming out with more incentives I can beleive it and see the Tundra being advertised for $15 or $16K (base trucks) like others.

I remember my dad going and looking at a T-100 and the price being like 12K for a base model at the time. So maybe we will see Bargins on the tundra soon too!
In Canada we don't see rebates until the end of the year on any Toyota model. It's very different for Toyota up here.

Titan just came out with a $4000 rebate on all Titans (that's gotta hurt trade in values!), GM has a $1500 Rebate on the new Sierra/Silverado Crew Cab. Dodge has $2000 Rebate on all Rams. Ford has $1500 on F150s.

Fan

Toyota isn't doing it to hurt the big 3. They're doing it because they're not selling.

At times when gas prices are over $3/gallon, bringing a bigger more fuel thirsty truck isn't the smartest move.

In Canada we don't see rebates until the end of the year on any Toyota model. It's very different for Toyota up here.

Titan just came out with a $4000 rebate on all Titans (that's gotta hurt trade in values!), GM has a $1500 Rebate on the new Sierra/Silverado Crew Cab. Dodge has $2000 Rebate on all Rams. Ford has $1500 on F150s.

Fan

Yeah it must be a lot diffrent because you regularly see $10K off of trucks here, that might be just in Texas I don't know. But that's both Factory and Dealer rebates. One dealer has an ad every week for F-150 for $11,888, and I think that has a/c, not sure. A/C and auto trans you can get for $12,999. GM and Dodge you regularly see for $14-15K. I think that's part of what has killed the small truck market, why buy a small one when you can get a big one for the same price.

Toyota isn't doing it to hurt the big 3. They're doing it because they're not selling.

At times when gas prices are over $3/gallon, bringing a bigger more fuel thirsty truck isn't the smartest move.

interesting, since the 5.7 basically gets the same mileage as the 4.7.....

interesting, since the 5.7 basically gets the same mileage as the 4.7.....
I wouldn't call a 2 mpg difference "the same".

Called up my buddy who works at a dealership and they have 63 in stock and sold a staggering 3 trucks since Friday of last week. Yeah... they're selling like hot cakes. :lol:

^^^To be fair GM brought their 900 series SUV's out early 2006 when gas was high or higher, their bigger and take up just as much gas as the previous gen, sure they're improved but unlike Toyota, GM and the other domestics put their eggs in one basket, and from the looks of it a dangerous one as gas prices and supply is volitale in these times.:thumbup:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/03/30/business/30toyota.600.jpg

DETROIT, March 29 — Toyota Motor continues to increase discounts on its new full-size pickup, the Tundra, another sign that it is not cutting into the profitable truck market as much as rival automakers had feared.

Toyota dealers began offering a $1,000 trade-in incentive this week to Tundra buyers, who can combine that discount with existing cash-back offers of as much as $2,000.
Analysts say they are surprised to see such heavy incentives on a vehicle that went on sale less than two months ago, but Denise Morrissey, a spokeswoman for the automaker, said that such offers were “just part of how you do business.”

Ms. Morrissey said Thursday that higher discounts were available on some competing trucks and that failing to keep up could hurt the Tundra’s ability to attract shoppers. “In the truck segment, the customers really do expect them,” Ms. Morrissey said. “This is our first real foray into this segment. When in Rome, you know.”

The Tundra’s growing list of incentives is welcome news in Detroit, which has long dominated the pickup market. Although General Motors and Ford have publicly said they are not worried about losing sales to the Tundra, Toyota has shown repeatedly that it should never be underestimated.

So far the Tundra, which was redesigned to be bigger and brawnier, has fallen short of its publicity. Toyota, known for its commitment to vehicle safety, suffered a mild embarrassment last week when the federal government gave the Tundra a four-star rating in frontal crash tests — one star fewer than all competing models made by Detroit.

MORE AT LINK

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/30/automobiles/30toyota.html?_r=2&ref=business&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Someone on another board said that if Toyota were only building these trucks in Princeton, there would be no rebates on the hood. Anyone remember the leaked memo posted a while ago titled "Toyota Sweats U.S. labor costs"? It's only going to get worse the more plants they build and the more the UAW knocks at their door.

They better not get too crazy...helping sales at the expense of hurting resale values is a Detroit disease that Toyota shouldn't be eager to catch.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/03/30/business/30toyota.600.jpg

DETROIT, March 29 — Toyota Motor continues to increase discounts on its new full-size pickup, the Tundra, another sign that it is not cutting into the profitable truck market as much as rival automakers had feared.

Toyota dealers began offering a $1,000 trade-in incentive this week to Tundra buyers, who can combine that discount with existing cash-back offers of as much as $2,000.
Analysts say they are surprised to see such heavy incentives on a vehicle that went on sale less than two months ago, but Denise Morrissey, a spokeswoman for the automaker, said that such offers were “just part of how you do business.”

Ms. Morrissey said Thursday that higher discounts were available on some competing trucks and that failing to keep up could hurt the Tundra’s ability to attract shoppers. “In the truck segment, the customers really do expect them,” Ms. Morrissey said. “This is our first real foray into this segment. When in Rome, you know.”

The Tundra’s growing list of incentives is welcome news in Detroit, which has long dominated the pickup market. Although General Motors and Ford have publicly said they are not worried about losing sales to the Tundra, Toyota has shown repeatedly that it should never be underestimated.

So far the Tundra, which was redesigned to be bigger and brawnier, has fallen short of its publicity. Toyota, known for its commitment to vehicle safety, suffered a mild embarrassment last week when the federal government gave the Tundra a four-star rating in frontal crash tests — one star fewer than all competing models made by Detroit.

MORE AT LINK

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/30/automobiles/30toyota.html?_r=2&ref=business&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

GM offered $4,000 to even $5,000 cash backs on their Silverados last year when gas was + $3.00/gallon. I'd like to think that Toyota would learn from that. Large gas guzzling vehicles don't sell well when gas is over $3/gallon.

Yet they released a larger gas guzzler now that gas is very expensive and a problematic middle east. Not very smart.

If I want a real work truck, I'd get a Ford Super Duty. Those trucks can do +300,000 miles with one hand tied behind its back.

GM offered $4,000 to even $5,000 cash backs on their Silverados last year when gas was + $3.00/gallon. I'd like to think that Toyota would learn from that. Large gas guzzling vehicles don't sell well when gas is over $3/gallon.

Yet they released a larger gas guzzler now that gas is very expensive and a problematic middle east. Not very smart.

If I want a real work truck, I'd get a Ford Super Duty. Those trucks can do +300,000 miles with one hand tied behind its back.

Are you serious? You actually think Toyota shouldn't get into the full size truck market because gas prices are high?

They are building 200,000 trucks in a market of 2.4 million. Keep some perspective.

Fan

Are you serious? You actually think Toyota shouldn't get into the full size truck market because gas prices are high?
They are already in the market. Their previous Tundra took a hit in sales. Go to Toyota dealers and you'll see dozens of 2006 Tundras growing mold in the back lot. Not even their $3,500 or $4,000 rebates help move them out.

My neighborhood dealership has only sold 3 new Tundras in a week while over 60 of them are rotting on the lot.

The big 3 are also taking a hit on sales of their big trucks.

If Toyota was smart, they would expand their hybrid line up on the lower priced cars like: Yaris, Corolla and not on Premium models like Highlander or a $27,000 hybrid Camry, not including dealer mark ups.

If they were smart, they'd pump hybrid technology into smaller cars not pigs like an SUV or a big 4 door sedan.

Honda is hard at work to mass producing Hybrids. Basically they're shooting for a hybrid vehicle to sell for under $15,000. When that happens, people will line up for blocks to buy one.


They are building 200,000 trucks in a market of 2.4 million. Keep some perspective.

Fan

Wow, build a limited number of vehicles for a loss. Some perspective of yours.

They are already in the market. Their previous Tundra took a hit in sales. Go to Toyota dealers and you'll see dozens of 2006 Tundras growing mold in the back lot. Not even their $3,500 or $4,000 rebates help move them out.

My neighborhood dealership has only sold 3 new Tundras in a week while over 60 of them are rotting on the lot.

The big 3 are also taking a hit on sales of their big trucks.

If Toyota was smart, they would expand their hybrid line up on the lower priced cars like: Yaris, Corolla and not on Premium models like Highlander or a $27,000 hybrid Camry, not including dealer mark ups.

If they were smart, they'd pump hybrid technology into smaller cars not pigs like an SUV or a big 4 door sedan.

Honda is hard at work to mass producing Hybrids. Basically they're shooting for a hybrid vehicle to sell for under $15,000. When that happens, people will line up for blocks to buy one.


Wow, build a limited number of vehicles for a loss. Some perspective of yours.
The 2006 Tundra was a 7/8ths truck.

Wow, so honda is "hard at work producing mass hybrids" I guess that is why they are taking it out of the Accord?

Meanwhile Toyota has 3 hybrid models out now, and plan by 7 years to have a hybrid in EVERY type of vehicle they make, including the Tundra.

"if Toyota was smart" Ha, you don't hear that much these days.

You don't follow automotive news much do you.

" Wow, build a limited number of vehicles for a loss. "

And you definately don't understand the automotive industry.


Fan

The 2006 Tundra was a 7/8ths truck.
2006 Tundra Double Cab V8
L=230in.
W=80in
H=75in

2006 Ford F150 Super Crew Cab V8
L=224in.
W=79in
H=73.5in

Talking out of your ass again eh?

Wow, so honda is "hard at work producing mass hybrids" I guess that is why they are taking it out of the Accord?
Honda said nothing about doing so. Please don't make things up. According to Honda's website, Accord Hybrids starts at $31,000. It's not selling. Same with the Camry Hybrid. Nobody is going to pay $27,000 for that.


Meanwhile Toyota has 3 hybrid models out now, and plan by 7 years to have a hybrid in EVERY type of vehicle they make, including the Tundra.

The point of hybrid technology is to MAXIMIZE fuel efficiency with cars. Making a Tundra Hybrid so that you can knock off 1MPG is an idiotic idea.



"if Toyota was smart" Ha, you don't hear that much these days.

You don't follow automotive news much do you.

" Wow, build a limited number of vehicles for a loss. "

And you definately don't understand the automotive industry.

Please let your mouth do the talking, not the end you sit on.

In Canada, or more specifically Ontario, with the new tax rebates (comes out to a $3500) the Camry hybrid "A" costs about as much as an 4cyl LE "B" package at the end of the day.

I think that thats a good value seeing as it has more comfort and convenience features as well as the improved fuel economy.

Even before the rebates, the Camry hybrid "B" package wasn't any more then the V6 XLE, so even then, it had all the same features (mabey some other stuff too), way better fuel economy and was basically the same price.

As far as Ive heard the Accord hybrid was really gered more toward performance then fuel economy, that being said I havent done any research, just what Ive heard in the past.

Yaris and Corolla hybrid would be the win, hopefully we'l see those guys in the near future.


**EDIT**

Even thought the old tundra was dimentionally the same as the competitors it just seemed alot smaller. The box was alot shalower (or so it seemed) and in the front, the floor of the cab was alot closer to the seat bottom (like any of the older style Toyota trucks). So even though on paper it looked like it should be the same size, the impression it gave was that it was signifigantly smaller.

This is good news for the truck consumer.

It's amazing how far people will go to spin things.

$2,000-3,000 rebates on a brand new car is never a good thing, no matter what the car, manufacturer, gas mileage, etc.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Toyota has done well without being #1. Being #1 sucks (see GM). Toyota is growing too quickly at the expense of quality and good decision making. We've already seen a shift in media coverage of Toyota: a lot more negative stories. The media helped build Toyota and will help tear Toyota down. It happens all the time. Toyota needs to give up the arrogant "we need to be #1" attitude and go back to its roots.

2006 Tundra Double Cab V8
L=230in.
W=80in
H=75in

2006 Ford F150 Super Crew Cab V8
L=224in.
W=79in
H=73.5in

Talking out of your ass again eh?


Honda said nothing about doing so. Please don't make things up. According to Honda's website, Accord Hybrids starts at $31,000. It's not selling. Same with the Camry Hybrid. Nobody is going to pay $27,000 for that.


The point of hybrid technology is to MAXIMIZE fuel efficiency with cars. Making a Tundra Hybrid so that you can knock off 1MPG is an idiotic idea.



Please let your mouth do the talking, not the end you sit on.
Get your facts straight...it IS SELLING unlike the Accord Hybrid. And last month there were a little less than 500 old Tundras left. It's probably lower by now.

I wouldn't call a 2 mpg difference "the same".



both reg cab:

4.7L V8 (4x2) 15/18 (4x4) 15/18
5.7L V8 (4x2) 16/20 (4x4) 14/18

:lol:
the 5.7 rwd actuallygets better
mileage than the 4.7

2006 Tundra Double Cab V8
L=230in.
W=80in
H=75in

2006 Ford F150 Super Crew Cab V8
L=224in.
W=79in
H=73.5in

Talking out of your ass again eh?


Honda said nothing about doing so. Please don't make things up. According to Honda's website, Accord Hybrids starts at $31,000. It's not selling. Same with the Camry Hybrid. Nobody is going to pay $27,000 for that.


The point of hybrid technology is to MAXIMIZE fuel efficiency with cars. Making a Tundra Hybrid so that you can knock off 1MPG is an idiotic idea.



Please let your mouth do the talking, not the end you sit on.

Ha, you think the dimensions of a truck put it in the full size market? Haha! Sorry, I thought you had a little truck knowledge other wise I would of explained to you what 7/8ths means.

Before you make more of a fool out of yourself do some research. I give you a hint. Type 7/8ths Tundra into google and you will maybe understand the concept.

As for the rest of your post, again clueless.

Fan

Toyota needs to give up the arrogant "we need to be #1" attitude and go back to its roots.
I think you're putting words into Toyota's mouth. Toyota's goal is to consistently achieve a certain percentage of sales (or marketshare) globally, which was 10% worldwide which it achieved 2 years ago I think, and now it is aiming for 15% globally. But Toyota never said "we need to be #1", that's what the media (and people like you) keep saying due to whatever reasons.

http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/ir/library/annual/pdf/2005/06.pdf

In the near term, I am eager to realize our target of 8.5 million vehicle sales in
calendar 2006 by pushing up sales in regions worldwide. In the longer term, we
would like to stake out 15% of the global automotive market in the early 2010s.
That figure represents the next major ambition for Toyota, which already holds a
10% share of the world market and is pursuing further growth.
However, I do not want to be misunderstood on this point. I will not adopt a
management style at Toyota that only focuses on winning market share. We will
steadily build toward a 15% share of the market through consistent effort. Another
reason for raising 15% as a banner is to give Toyota employees worldwide a
challenging shared goal that will fire them to win out in the face of intense market
competition. In our view, stagnation is synonymous with retreat; the outlook is
bleak for any company that cannot sustain growth. Make no mistake, Toyota is
bursting with energy and its appetite for growth is truly insatiable.


So I've said it before and I'll say it again. Being #1 is never Toyota's intention, it just so happens that the domestic big-3 has fallen quite a height in recent years, but it's also no coincidence due to the 4 decades or so of laying the stepping stones in North America that Toyota has worked so hard for.

Ha, you think the dimensions of a truck put it in the full size market? Haha! Sorry, I thought you had a little truck knowledge other wise I would of explained to you what 7/8ths means.

Before you make more of a fool out of yourself do some research. I give you a hint. Type 7/8ths Tundra into google and you will maybe understand the concept.

As for the rest of your post, again clueless.

Fan

You're just sore because your stupid ass has been proven wrong. Everyone knows that the F150 is a FULL SIZE truck, yet the BIGGER Tundra is NOT a FULL SIZE? :lol:

It's too bad you don't have a full size brain. :lol:

You're just sore because your stupid ass has been proven wrong. Everyone knows that the F150 is a FULL SIZE truck, yet the BIGGER Tundra is NOT a FULL SIZE? :lol:

It's too bad you don't have a full size brain. :lol:

wow, you are making a fool of yourself. You didn't even do the search so you could understand the conversation.

Fan

wow, you are making a fool of yourself. You didn't even do the search so you could understand the conversation.

Fan

Unlike you, I think for myself, I don't let an internet search engine, think for me.

Tell me this, how can you consider one truck as being "full size" F150 and yet call another truck that's LARGER (Tundra) NOT full size?

You're not making any sense.

You will not acknowledge this because it will prove you to be WRONG. The fact that the Tundra is LARGER than the F150 MAKES IT FULL SIZE.

Pull your head out of your ass.

Unlike you, I think for myself, I don't let an internet search engine, think for me.

Tell me this, how can you consider one truck as being "full size" F150 and yet call another truck that's LARGER (Tundra) NOT full size?

You're not making any sense.

You will not acknowledge this because it will prove you to be WRONG. The fact that the Tundra is LARGER than the F150 MAKES IT FULL SIZE.

Pull your head out of your ass.

Untill you can understand what I mean by 7/8ths truck, this conversation is pointless. If you can't figure it out for yourself, even with me trying to help, then were done.

You can insult me all you like, you just make yourself look like the fool

Fan

Untill you can understand what I mean by 7/8ths truck, this conversation is pointless. If you can't figure it out for yourself, even with me trying to help, then were done.

You can insult me all you like, you just make yourself look like the fool

Fan
The Tundra IS a FULLSIZE truck. Get over it.

2006 Tundra Double Cab V8
L=230in.
W=80in
H=75in

2006 Ford F150 Super Crew Cab V8
L=224in.
W=79in
H=73.5in

Talking out of your ass again eh?



Well, that was unnecessary :lol:

A little FYI, or history lesson, if you will. The previous generation Tundra was considered throughout the automotive industry (and by TOYOTA THEMSELVES) to be "7/8" of a full-size truck. It wasn't necessarily the dimensions (althought the access cabs were rather small for an extended cab truck) but more so the lack of horsepower and torque, which were both substantially increased in 2005. The payload capacities and towing capabilities were also not up to par with other fullsize trucks of the same year.

What's funny is my 67 C-10 is about 3/4 the size of today's trucks. It weighs in at 3,600 pounds and a 2007 reg cab silverado 2wd (for comparison) weighs 800 pounds more. Trucks have come a long way and continue to grow, gain power, and gain a little bit of fuel effieciency as the years go by.

Well, that was unnecessary :lol:

A little FYI, or history lesson, if you will. The previous generation Tundra was considered throughout the automotive industry (and by TOYOTA THEMSELVES) to be "7/8" of a full-size truck. It wasn't necessarily the dimensions (althought the access cabs were rather small for an extended cab truck) but more so the lack of horsepower and torque, which were both substantially increased in 2005.
It's all about dimensions. It doesn't matter what's under the hood. It's size is what classifies it.

2006 F150 4.6L V8 = 231hp 293ft-lbs torque
2006 Tundra 4.7L V8 = 271hp 313ft-lbs torque

Hmmm... if we went with your logic, the weaker engine of the F150 and smaller dimension, would make it NOT a full size truck?

Hmmm... the LARGER more POWERFUL Tundra is not? Wow, great logic. :rolleyes:

I seem to recall the 4.6L not being Ford's only engine.... Was there not a more powerful one? That had much higher towing and payload capacities than the 06 and down Tundras?

I don't understand why you're arguing something that TOYOTA EXECUTIVES THEMSELVES have said to be true?

No one has said anyting about the 07 not being a true fullsize. :D

Chill :)

I seem to recall the 4.6L not being Ford's only engine.... Was there not a more powerful one? That had much higher towing and payload capacities than the 06 and down Tundras?

I don't understand why you're arguing something that TOYOTA EXECUTIVES THEMSELVES have said to be true?

No one has said anyting about the 07 not being a true fullsize. :D

Chill :)
The F150 did have a more powerful V8, the 5.4. Infact that only validates my point. Even with the smaller V8 the truck is STILL a full size. So I really don't see any LOGICAL argument in favor of Toyota for calling their LARGER MORE POWERFUL truck, NOT FULL SIZE.

BMW execs and marketing call this an SAV (Sports "Activity" Vehicle).
http://www.nztravelhouse.com/luxcars/images/bmwx503.jpg

It's exactly in the same class as these other "SUVs".
http://www.budgetelp.com/images/highlander.jpg
http://www.autocult.com.au/img/gallery/TorqueOmata3293.jpg
http://www.automedia.com/NewCarBuyersGuide/photos/2006/Honda/Pilot/SUV/2006_Honda_Pilot_ext_1.jpg
Calling it another name doesn't change What it is.

This is my last attempt :)

ALL vehicles have engine choices, most cars have 4 and six banger options, some have 4, 6, or 8 as options. I see that we can agree on this.

Fullsize trucks are the same. They typically offer a V-6, "Base V-8", a more powerful V-8, and towing packages in all sorts of configurations. The previous Tundra's lack of the "higher power" V-8 and competitive tow ratings (when compared to the higher end V-8's) were what gave it the "7/8" "nickname." True, it's base V-8 and V-6's were COMPARABLE to other trucks V-6's and base V-8's, but that's where the comparison's ended. It didn't have an engine that gave it the extra oomph to be competitive with the other higher end V-8's. That's why they were never considered "true" fullsize trucks.



I was being sarcastic about the ford engine ;)

What are the demensions of the Tundra access cab? When the Tundra was refered to as a 7/8th truck, that is what people were basing it on. When the Double cab came out, it was a lot different in size. It didn't come out till what 2004? Not sure, but anyway, it was refered to that way for a long time. Doug D, do you have demensions on an access cab?

2006 Toyota Tundra: Specs & Safety


...................Access Cab Double Cab
Wheel base ..128.3 ........140.5
Length ..........218.3 .......230.1
Width .............75.2......... 79.3
Height ............70.5......... 74.0

If Toyota was smart, they would expand their hybrid line up on the lower priced cars like: Yaris, Corolla and not on Premium models like Highlander or a $27,000 hybrid Camry, not including dealer mark ups.

If they were smart, they'd pump hybrid technology into smaller cars not pigs like an SUV or a big 4 door sedan.

Honda is hard at work to mass producing Hybrids. Basically they're shooting for a hybrid vehicle to sell for under $15,000. When that happens, people will line up for blocks to buy one.

Care to make more of a fool of yourself? Respond to this post and lets see.

"Record U.S. sales of Toyota and Lexus hybrids have now topped the half-million mark."

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/04/03/042379.html

Fan