Toyota-Subaru Coupe More info

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=126521


Whats interesting....


The Toyota model, still to be named, will be sold exclusively in Japan, while the Subaru-badged model will be marketed worldwide.

So, all toyota fans will have to buy a SUBARU model to drive a coupe developed from toyota....mmmmm nice. ;)

And who is the benchmark for this car?

Any guess? :disappoin no?


Surprisingly, the joint Toyota-Subaru R&D team has chosen the out-of-production, front-wheel-drive Honda Integra Type R as its benchmark, because its styling, performance parameters and dimensions mirror what the development team wants to create.

There u go! :cool:

i am sadened
i wanted a toyota sports car ;_; /cry

220 n.a. hp from a 2.0 boxer, I just have such a hard time believing from any auto maker that we'll see those numbers...besides, I dont think a boxer engine will rev relaibly to 9,000 rpm that would probably be required to make those numbers.

On a sidenote, I think toyota must be boycotting anything sporty in its current line-up. That is the only reason why they won't put their badge on it over here. haha.

Well that sucks balls. But who know how reliable this info is. Maybe it will change by then. Or they will test the Toyota sports coupe in Japan then bring it over. Who knows.

i hope its like the exact one in the picture... and u never know if toyota will bring it over or not cuz scion tC is getting out of date and toyota needs a compact sports car...

220hp from 2.0L N/A is possible. Honda can with the K20(210hp), and Toyota did, with the 3S-GE(210hp).

I think with Toyota collaboration, it shouldn't be too hard for Subaru to hit 220hp on their engines.

Yes possible, but with the boxer platform, it will be difficult, especially as far as lubrication is concerned.

^ Yes I've heard about lubrication problems on the boxers. We'll just have to see. I have a feeling about this though because the boxer is not a weak engine in terms of getting hp figures.

Instead of people rebadging Acuras as Hondas, it will be Subarus as Toyotas!

Hmm.. it's interesting that they're benchmarking a FWD car, although the ITR does handle well.

I'm starting to really hate toyota.

Tideland: I believe reading somewhere at the time of introduction, the ITR was the only consumer consumption car that people could afford that was tuned to be neutral, everything else was tuned to understeer from factory.

Ecale: Hate the idiots that run Toyota, don't hate the company!

yet another thread on something supposed... sorta reminds me of the 2008/2009/2010/2011/2012 supra thread. don't hold your breath. i'm not doubting, but i wouldn't start saving up for one.
220hp from 2.0L N/A is possible. Honda can with the K20(210hp), and Toyota did, with the 3S-GE(210hp).

I think with Toyota collaboration, it shouldn't be too hard for Subaru to hit 220hp on their engines.
add yamaha's knowledge to the mix, and 220 should be a breeze. i don't think the 220 hp out of two naturally-aspirated liters is the question. that can be easily done and has been done. heck, they toyota/subie/yamaha can design it with good mpg and reliability to boot.
^ Yes I've heard about lubrication problems on the boxers. We'll just have to see. I have a feeling about this though because the boxer is not a weak engine in terms of getting hp figures.
^lubrication problems can be an issue, though i don't see something major as that coming out of a toyota, and i'm sure toyota would like to keep it that way. an electronic mishap is more likely to come about these days, such as the tranny flares in the gen6 camry drivetrains.

and yeah. boxer engines are sweet right out of the box. they've never been anemic from the factory from what i recall, but that's somewhat due to tuning. the two major companies utilizing boxer engiens (porsche and subaru) didn't have uber-high mpg in their mind when creating their boxer engines- even the n/a four-banger in the base impreza.
Instead of people rebadging Acuras as Hondas, it will be Subarus as Toyotas!

Hmm.. it's interesting that they're benchmarking a FWD car, although the ITR does handle well.
^i found it interesting too that they're benchmarking the ITR for their RWD 2+2.
I'm starting to really hate toyota.
^why? because they didn't badge it as one?
Tideland: I believe reading somewhere at the time of introduction, the ITR was the only consumer consumption car that people could afford that was tuned to be neutral, everything else was tuned to understeer from factory.
^yup. even the lesser integras were totally different machines from the factory. almost every suspension component was highly combed-over. stock suspension was one of the greatest for a fwd car, and some would say it IS the greatest fwd suspension. basically everything nowadays is designed with push-understeer from the factory because it's safer for the general public.

article:
Surprisingly, the joint Toyota-Subaru R&D team has chosen the out-of-production, front-wheel-drive Honda Integra Type R as its benchmark, because its styling, performance parameters and dimensions mirror what the development team wants to create.

Expected to ride on a 103-inch wheelbase, the 2,866-pound coupes will use a 2+2 seating configuration.

Slated for a late 2011 debut, the coupes are expected to be priced starting just under $20,000.

What this means to you: Good times on the horizon for fans of low-end rear-wheel-drive coupes
^what does it mean to me? another car that can easily be subjected to rice. :lol:

but still, i hope this gets out.

yet another thread on something supposed... sorta reminds me of the 2008/2009/2010/2011/2012 supra thread. don't hold your breath. i'm not doubting, but i wouldn't start saving up for one.


Big difference here
the supra was rumor and always was rumor nothing was ever confirmed
Toyota repetedly said it was not going to make another Supra
the supra spyshots turned out to be the Lexus LF-A if im not mistaken

This has been confirmed with a press conference and everything XD

no more need to speculate start saving =P

Tideland: I believe reading somewhere at the time of introduction, the ITR was the only consumer consumption car that people could afford that was tuned to be neutral, everything else was tuned to understeer from factory.

Ecale: Hate the idiots that run Toyota, don't hate the company!
oh really? Good to know. It was fun to drive in GT4 haha.

I'm starting to really hate toyota.
I don't know about hate, since I do see some thing they're doing better. Disappointed? Yes, when I find the Yaris as Toyota's only current vehicle remotely close to fun only to be beaten by the fantastic Honda Fit...can't say I'm happy about that. If its true that this Subaru/Toyota coupe is going to be badged as a Subaru outside of Japan...it leads me to believe Toyota is just giving up to attract a driver like myself, and rather Mazda do it since I find both the 3 and 6 are fantastic to drive.

the supra spyshots turned out to be the Lexus LF-A if im not mistaken

This has been confirmed with a press conference and everything XD

oh no. i didn't mean the lf-a. i meant the 2-door 2+2 grand-tourer pics that floated around for quite a while (definitely not the supercar the lf-a is).

anyways, i guess i missed the press release on this particular suby+toy car. if there was a press release on this, then it is time to start saving indeed. this is nice.

I just found out about this and the new STI specs and at first I was drooling over the STI, then I started crying when I found out about the ToyBaru.

Lame.

It's still a ToyBaru in my eyes though, and you can be sure as sh** I'll be all over it when it comes out.

no toyota version??? it's the car that they need in the lineup that's actually sporty. stoopid.

220hp from 2.0L N/A is possible. Honda can with the K20(210hp), and Toyota did, with the 3S-GE(210hp).

I think with Toyota collaboration, it shouldn't be too hard for Subaru to hit 220hp on their engines.

Honda also achieved 240hp N/A HP with the original S2000. There just wasn't enough low-end so Honda listened to the complaints of people stalling on steep hills and increased the displacement for more response and torque. It reduced the revs a bit as well.

If Porsche can make a flat-6 achieve 8,400rpm without lubrication issues, I'm sure Subaru and Toyota can come up with a solution to increase lubrication to vital parts. At least the rods/pistons don't have to fight with gravity since they move laterally rather than vertically.

Honda also achieved 240hp N/A HP with the original S2000. There just wasn't enough low-end so Honda listened to the complaints of people stalling on steep hills and increased the displacement for more response and torque. It reduced the revs a bit as well.

If Porsche can make a flat-6 achieve 8,400rpm without lubrication issues, I'm sure Subaru and Toyota can come up with a solution to increase lubrication to vital parts. At least the rods/pistons don't have to fight with gravity since they move laterally rather than vertically.

So only subaru engines had lubrication issues? No word about porsche`s?
Quite interesting....

Well porsche as they say (there`s no substitute)......

But if subaru couldnt do it on his own, with help it might....

personally, they shouldve just used fuji heavy industries drivetrain only and should have kept the boxers in the subaru. SINCE at the same time this subieyota hits, subaru plans on releasing coupe versions of the wrx/sti bringing back THEIR roots to the 22b era.

a blown 2zzge would be nice (exige-s) or bring back and glorify/re-tune/strap on a bigger turbo on the 3s-gte for larger numbers

Honda also achieved 240hp N/A HP with the original S2000. There just wasn't enough low-end so Honda listened to the complaints of people stalling on steep hills and increased the displacement for more response and torque. It reduced the revs a bit as well.

If Porsche can make a flat-6 achieve 8,400rpm without lubrication issues, I'm sure Subaru and Toyota can come up with a solution to increase lubrication to vital parts. At least the rods/pistons don't have to fight with gravity since they move laterally rather than vertically.

Gearing and suspension were two other Major but oft, overlooked changes from the AP1 S2000's to the AP2 S2000's.

Anyway, Toyota needs to stop being afraid of sporty/sports cars and offer at least a couple models to appeal to people like me. I started as a toyota guy (who loved hondas too) but toyota abandoned me. I was looking for something fairly fast, reliable, with great handling, a fairly reasonable price tag, and a six speed manual. Toyota didn't have a single option for me, at least not a new one. They refuse to build a car that appeals to someone who wants something more exciting than a cardboard box with four wheels and a motor.

Hell, the Honda Accord V6 6spd was a hell of a lot more exciting than the IS350 i drove. The IS350 felt like a fast and expensive.....camry. The Civic Si is a phenomenal little car, and of course there is the S2000 (I :heart: my car).

^ Toyota knows they need to bring back a sports car for people of our age, but Project Genesis failed the Celica so they are taking their sweet time this time around ...

For the last few years, Toyota has been trying to draw their younger crowd to the Scions while maintaining their current line-up in order to further magnify their presence in the automotive industry ... and its working ... they are growing quite well. But soon, im sure Toyota will either bring a new "Celica" or something to fill its shoes in the department of sports cars.

Right now, Lexus is getting all the fun stuff - so it will be Toyota's turn soon enough :D

Right now, Lexus is getting all the fun stuff - so it will be Toyota's turn soon enough :D

toyotas are cheap and effective

and sticking performance and fast in there
takes way cheap
specially for toyota

they cant seem to make a cheap little performance car anymore o_O

maybe to many safety features have to be added on making them heavier and whatnot but still

they cant do cheap and sport no more :disappoin

Toyota isn't really cheap ... and they should have no problem giving their cars performance, since most of their engines are severely (and intentionally) underpowered.

(some MSRP prices)

2009 Toyota Camry: $18,920 - $25,650

2008 Nissan Altima: $20,470 - $28,670
2008 Nissan Maxima: $28,630 - $32,280

2008 Chevy Malibu: $20,550 - $27,745
2008 Chevy Impala: $22,400 - $29,780

i tried to select cars of similar size, but you get the idea - they are pretty much on par with other cars, at least for the Camry in the sedan department ... and whats funny is that my car was in the mid $20k region back in 1995, which means prices havent changed

man i miss the days where you had the TT 300ZX's vs TT 3000GT VR4's vs the TT Supras vs the TT RX7's.

It would be sweet to see a new RX7 (or something from mazda better than the RX8) with FI vs a new FI Supra vs the GTR vs 350Z (ooh, could you imagine a factory FI 350?) vs EVO vs STi.

More Japanese Halo cars would be nice :). I would love to see the VR4 (Mitsubishi GTO baby) and the RX7 make a come back.

There were rumors of a RX7 coming back but who knows if that will happen. I'm guessing they are focusing on the RX8.

yeah, those were the good ol days. 300Z kicks ass. Top Gear they raced that and the 350 and the 300 won. Weight is the obvious blunder. I know the next gen 370Z is reportedly lighter. The Mitsubishi VR4 are nice as well. But I think it would either get lost or cannibalize EVO/RalliArt sales. Also it would overlap and be redundant.

I was looking for something fairly fast, reliable, with great handling, a fairly reasonable price tag, and a six speed manual. Toyota didn't have a single option for me, at least not a new one.

ever heard of the X-Runner, man? :rolleyes:

That's a truck. I even said cars in the paragraph you are quoting from. My exact words were "toyota needs to stop being afraid of sports/sporty cars". Perhaps you should read the whole thing and stop trying to be a smartass.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b342/01--QW33N/newae86.jpg

There will be a lot of speculation about both models of these cars before they finally get announced in near-final spec. I don't really believe much of anything that I read about them now. It's pretty hilarious what people will say about cars before they come out.

If you get the chance, read some car magazines that are 5-10 years old, and read information about "future cars" in them. It's comical how wrong they always are.

Jeff

(Hoping there is a Toyota-badged version of the car in Canada)

Looks like a Saturn Astra 3-dr.

they should make it a coupe instead of a hatch, either way im still interested

Not suprise Toyota and Subaru make cars together. If memory serves me right, Toyota bought 35% of Fuji Hevy Industry, the mother company of Subaru couple years ago. I am not suprise if Ford wants to sell Mazda in near future, Toyota will chip in.

At a news conference here today, CEO Katsuaki Watanabe also said that Toyota Motor Corp. would boost its stake in Fuji Heavy to 16.5 percent, from its current 8.7 percent.

Toyota will pay 31.1 billion yen ($311 million) for the increased holding, effectively snapping up the last of the shares sold back to Fuji Heavy by General Motors in 2005.


Not quite as high as you imagined. But I'm sure it will get there if Toyota wishes to do so.


http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080410/ANA02/901310862/1197


The purchase of Fuji is recent my friend.

Cheers!:):thumbup:

If it turns out to be anything exciting, we're not going to get it.

^ Toyota knows they need to bring back a sports car for people of our age, but Project Genesis failed the Celica so they are taking their sweet time this time around ...

For the last few years, Toyota has been trying to draw their younger crowd to the Scions while maintaining their current line-up in order to further magnify their presence in the automotive industry ... and its working ... they are growing quite well. But soon, im sure Toyota will either bring a new "Celica" or something to fill its shoes in the department of sports cars.

Right now, Lexus is getting all the fun stuff - so it will be Toyota's turn soon enough :D

QUestion.... whats all the fun and hype of driving a scion??

QUestion.... whats all the fun and hype of driving a scion??


good question
test drove some a while back
they are toyotas
not enough adrenaline
tC maybe, but ehh not enough :thumbsdow

QUestion.... whats all the fun and hype of driving a scion??


I agree, Scion obviously needs to step their game up cause of the nature of their niche' brand. But Scion is about customizing and that includes engine mods. But also you get mono-spec cars and all you do is customize so that's fun right??:lol::lol:

Also its perception and that it doesn't have a Toyota badge on it even if it is.

I agree, Scion obviously needs to step their game up cause of the nature of their niche' brand. But Scion is about customizing and that includes engine mods. But also you get mono-spec cars and all you do is customize so that's fun right??:lol::lol:

Also its perception and that it doesn't have a Toyota badge on it even if it is.

engine mods cold air box

suspension mods

and tc onry one with supercharger:ugh3:
and its onry like 40 hp :disappoin

why they no do turbo:headbang:
with the tc engine turbo could go over 200 hp :thumbsup:

I dunno, I kinda like driving my wifes xb, its fun, even though no one seems to like the electric power steering. Although I think when this particular car comes out, it will be a good one.